Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1213 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1213 Sunday, 14 August 2005 Today's Topics: (Webradio) Saturday Night's "Prog'opolis" - Larks' Tongues 1-4 and more! Fave Crim Ballads/How I Spent My Sunday New Adrian Belew on "The Crimson Connection" (internet radio) what I meant to say Re: Saussure Want to check out an exciting new band?? Re: CD REVIEW: KTU - 8 Armed Monkeys Re: Adrian or Robert? Toyah on THTV A Wedding Crasher's Experience. "Live" or "Collectible" Catalog Expansion KC live 1973-1974 "Frame By Frame" performed on Old Grey Whistle Test Ten Seconds Larks' Tongues in Aspic Part IV (Tab) Banco De Mutuo Soccorso, King Crimson, and more on "PROG'OPOLIS" (internet r ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send *all posts* to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com ** Posts intended for the newsletter should have a subject prefix of ETPOST ** Posts intended for an individual newsletter contributor should have a subject prefix of their ET 'Ticket Number', shown at ETxxxxx in their 'From:' line in the newsletter. 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The ET TEAM accepts no responsibility for the views of authors of posts. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b. If you'd like to donate to the upkeep of ET, please press the "Donate" button at ETWeb. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:08:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Vince Font Subject: (Webradio) Sat Night's "Prog'opolis" - Larks' Tongues 1-4 & more The world is full of people in longing--the longing of the lonely for companionship; the longing of the loser for success; the longing of the addict for another fix. And then there is the longing of those who want to hear King Crimson's "Larks' Tongues In Aspic" parts 1 through 4 in all its glorious, uninterrupted entirety. If you're one of those people, your time has come at last! That's right--come check out what you missed (or re-hear what you already did). Get yourself a scoop of "Prog'opolis", guaranteed to cure any longing! Each show comes with a free side of "Crimson Connection" tastiness. Offer only good while supplies last, so click here now http://www.thedividingline.com/p.html PROG'OPOLIS XXII - 07.30.05 Peter Gabriel - Modern Love <3.38> Prog'opolis Intro <1.07> Eric Johnson - Soulful Terrain <4.16> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Happy The Man - Contemporary Insanity <3.28> Eloy - Plastic Girl <9.10> California Guitar Trio - Red Iguana <3.15> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Genesis - In The Cage/Cinema Show/Slippermen Medley <11.52> Genesis - Afterglow <5.13> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *THE CRIMSON CONNECTION* Liquid Tension Experiment - Universal Mind <7.49> Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Manticore <1.52> Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Battlefield <3.51> Adrian Belew - Live In A Tree <1.06> King Crimson - Larks' Tongues In Aspic, Part i <13.35> King Crimson - Larks' Tongues In Aspic, Part ii <7.07> King Crimson - Larks' Tongues In Aspic, Part iii <6.03> King Crimson - Larks' Tongues In Aspic, Part iv <9.05> Bozzio Levin Stevens - Dark Corners <8.33> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marillion - Estonia (acoustic) <6.43> h - The Cage <7.02> Fish - Sunsets On Empire <6.54> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Frank Zappa and The Mothers - Zomby Woof <5.10> Strawbs - Autumn <8.28> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Squarepusher - EZ Boogie <8.13> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vienna Teng - Mission Street <4.37> Listen to "PROG'OPOLIS!" every Saturday night from 7-10pm (PST) and catch 'The Crimson Connection', a weekly hour-long celebration of King Crimson and related music. Listen live or catch the archive anytime at http://www.thedividingline.com/p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:20:26 -0400 From: Ellwood Irish Subject: Fave Crim Ballads/How I Spent My Sunday Favorite Crimson Ballads? 1) I Talk to the Wind 2) Cadence and Cascade (Adrian Belew vocal) 3) Peace - A Theme 4) Book of Saturday 5) The Night Watch 6) Trio 7) Matte Kudasai 8) Walking on Air 9) One Time 10) The Deception of the Thrush (?) Mike Irish dhalgren at hotmail dot dom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:33:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Vince Font Subject: New Adrian Belew on "The Crimson Connection" (internet radio) "Prog'opolis" is an internet radio show that airs live each Saturday night from 7-10pm Pacific on the Dividing Line Broadcast Network. The center-piece of the show is "The Crimson Connection", a one-hour celebration and exploration into the history of King Crimson and its numerous offshoots. Last night's "Crimson Connection" featured the debut of yet more tracks from the new Adrian Belew CD which was released on July 12. If you missed any part of last night's show, you can download the show or listen to the streaming audio archive at http://www.thedividingline.com/p.html Normally three hours in length, last night's "Prog'opolis" ran to an unprecedented five hours, where we managed to fulfill a slew of requests from the listening audience hanging out in the website chatroom. The final song song of the show was dedicated to the good people of the United Kingdom, in particular those people touched and affected by the terrorist bombings in London last week. 07.23.05, SHOW #21 - SPECIAL 5-HOUR BROADCAST! King Crimson - Happy With What You Have To Be Happy With <3.17> Prog'opolis Intro <1.07> Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Knife Edge <5.07> Asia - Heat Of The Moment <3.54> Frank Zappa and The Mothers - Camarillo Brillo <4.00> Glass Hammer - A Cup Of Trembling <7.50> Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Tank <6.52> *REQUEST Can - Sing Swan Song <4.47> Rush - Freewill <5.24> Rick Wakeman - Anne Boleyn <6.32> *THE CRIMSON CONNECTION* Adrian Belew - I Know Now <1.26> Adrian Belew - Then What <3.02> King Crimson - Easy Money (live) <7.12> Trey Gunn & Pat Mastelotto - Pony <1.45> Adrian Belew - Happiness <1.53> John Paul Jones & Robert Fripp - Shibuya Pop <5.59> Greg Lake - From The Beginning <2.35> King Crimson - Potato Pie <5.03> Fripp & Eno - Altair <5.10> Adrian Belew - Face To Face <3.03> Bozzio Levin Stevens - Lost <6.24> King Crimson - People <5.53> Peter Gabriel - D.I.Y. <2.34> Bill Bruford - One Of A Kind Parts i and ii <6.21> Adrian Belew - Asleep <5.23> Demons & Wizards - The Gunslinger <5.15> Strawbs - Ghosts <8.31> Unity Gain - Daisy Daisy <8.28> Genesis - Cuckoo Cocoon <2.11> Genesis - In The Cage <8.12> *CAMEL BREAK* Camel - Cloak And Dagger Man <3.55> Camel - Unevensong <5.25> Camel - Air Born <5.02> Yes - Machine Messiah <10.25> Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Living Sin <3.14> *REQUEST King Crimson - One More Red Nightmare <7.10> *REQUEST Demons & Wizards - Crimson King <5.47> Spaced Out - Toxix <4.50> Porcupine Tree - Open Car <3.47> The Flower Kings - Vampire's View <8.48> *REQUEST Aphex Twin - Windowlicker <6.04> *REQUEST The Gathering - You Learn About It <5.08> Eloy - Madhouse <5.20> Ozric Tentacles - Og-Ha-Be <4.50> Pink Floyd - Lucifer Sam <3.07> *REQUEST Bozzio & Sheehan - One More Winter <4.35> Elbow - Powder Blue <4.31> The Church - Destination <5.52> Saga - Wind Him Up <5.47> Dire Straits - Brothers In Arms <4.55> *SPECIAL DEDICATION Listen to "PROG'OPOLIS!" every Saturday night from 7-10pm (PST) and catch 'The Crimson Connection', a weekly hour-long celebration of King Crimson and related music. Listen live or catch the archive anytime at http://www.thedividingline.com/p.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:27:42 -0500 From: Brunkhorst Subject: what I meant to say Re: Saussure For reasons unknown, I fired off five replies to Mark Harvey's post in ET re the thread 'What's in a key'. Four of them were duplicates, and one was the unedited copy of Harvey that I started with, which, naturally, was the one that made the digest. Here is what I actually intended to say: Mark Harvey, in 'What's In A Key?', writes: (c) (snip) The fact that, say, Hirajoshi scale has a completely different emotional resonance to, say, Neapolitan Minor scale, or whole-tone scale, is a function of the notes selected and the mathematical relationships that exist between them. -- If a Hirajoshi scale (or even an Oldsmobile scale) has any sort of 'emotional resonance', it's because the listener brought it to the exchange. I'm sticking with that, until I actually experience the Lacanian 'real' and can experience things without the distortion of my senses/body-mechanism/culture. You cannot transfer Saussurean linguistics to music theory, not especially because of the absence of an order of the signified, but because the note B has a certain axiomatic relationship to C that is quite different to the arbitrary relationship between "BAT" and "CAT". -- The note 'B' has a mathematical relationship to 'C', true. But the actual pitches 'B' and 'C' are a result of historical processes and are in the big picture arbitrary, as is their relationship. 'A' was not always equal to 440. That we have twelve tones of equal temperament to the octave is a part of history, and as in many cases, history could have gone in a number of ways, which mgith have involved something other than 12 tones to the octave. Non-Western musics have different histories, in some cases different pitches, different ratios, different 'scales' (or their analogues). Linguistics and semiotics have broadened my thinking about music. Your mileage may vary. (d) Most directly relevant, especially for guitarists, is the fact that choice of key governs the range of chord shapes that are available. (snip). And so on. -- Or you could, like some folks, tune your guitar differently. That would surley make the choices different for you, and it would make your guitar sound different, too. The physical act of playing and the choice of tuning (and string height, scale length, and many other factors) influences how guitarists play and the sound they make, but it does not cast Western music in stone, nor by itself give it meaning independent of our perceptions. Meanings we derive from musical sound are our own, and we are lodged squarely within a musical culture. The paradox is that if we make a sound with no cultural resonance - one that does not connect to a listener's sense of anything previously heard - then it is likely that the listener will find/discover little meaning in it. The only ground I would begin to cede in that - the only physical realities about music I would consider independent of our perceptions in any way - are that all rhythm somehow connects to the human heartbeat, that the roots of Western harmony once involved ratios of simple integers, and that some music of the Indian subcontinent is intended to physically 'massage' the ear of the listener. Nevertheless the joke still stands, because unless Nigel in Spinal Tap is a Zen master he doesn't understand an iota of this. But a bit less ill-thought-out poststructuralist gibberish would be appreciated. Your last sentence is a sideways dig, and what you appreciate is of no concern to me. I might imagine you would prefer some well-thought-out discussions about who the best Crimson bassist was, or structuralist queries about why Fripp doesn't play with (insert previous Crimson member) again. I strive to think through my gibberish through. Kevin Brunkhorst ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:41:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil - Subject: Want to check out an exciting new band?? Hi all. Having being a receiver only of many of the Elephant talk e-mails over the past years - I havent felt the need to join in until now.My reason is to pass on to the masses out there a tip about a new band ive just come across.A few months back whilst watching a particularly boring edition of the Jools Holland 'Later' programme(a music show on the BBC TV if your not British) a band caught my eye as they were introduced - a strange looking bunch called Acoustic Ladyland.I had to wait for about 20 minutes whilst a few lesser (and better known bands) poodled through the normal trite most of the modern bands push out on the aforementioned show - but then it happened - they started and it was a WOW moment!!Far too much to take in anyway - and I still wouldnt know how to describe what I heard??It was definately jazz but had elements of other stuff??The band is a 4 piece - a Saxaphone player,a keyboard player,a drummer who looked like Bob Mortimer with a huge Hendrix perm and a bass player who played fast,distorted speed bass.Imagine John Wetton in a punk band and you might just get what I am trying to put across.Anyway it was (A) Crazy. (B) Interesting. (C) Unlike anything ive ever heard?? (D) Extremely good. I remember as a young lad sitting down to watch 'The Old Grey Whistle Test' (in the early 80's??) in the knowledge that King Crimson were going to be on.I had only 2 KC albums at the time (Earthbound and Starless and Bible Black) and the renditions of Frame by Frame and Indiscipline the 'new' King Crimson played that night left me with a similar feeling - not what I expected but certainly WOW and that was fantastic!!( no doubt anyone who was into Crimson prior to Adrians arrival will understand?That guitar sound on the Indiscipline solo was fantastic etc) Anyway - they did 2 numbers which I am sure Jools didnt like much (which may have been a good sign in itself?) and I was left quite excited ... a new band ... and they were good!!Dont happen too often these days that.We later found out they had 2 CD's out - which we bought.The first one is a pure acoustic jazz album - the band are top musicians it would seem but the second one called 'Last chance Disco' is the one I would hugely reccomend if any out there fancy an experimental CD' if like me your bored stiff with all the tripe thats on offer music wise these days without delving into the archives.I am sure if you like King Crimson you'll like it - not that they are like KC but the odd Crimsonesque moment will ensue if you listen to them.I know they havent even got a gutarist but it doesnt matter one jot. While I am at it - the only other thing ive ever thought about posting was about someone moaning ages back on an Elephant Talk e-mail(I love a moan ... a constructive moan anyway) about some journalist who wrote something along the lines that Fripps best ver guitar sound was on the original version of 20th Century Schizoid Man ... what!!!In my humble opinion it's not even close!Try this experiment and tell me i'm wrong.Get up now - go and pick up your CD or Vinyl version (Its better on vinyl) find the 'Sailor's Tale' and listen to that sweet-violent sustained guitar sound on the solo and tell me it's ever been bettered??I know I know - its 30+ years old and Crimson have progressed into other areas but it's just an incredible solo - ive heard it 100's of times and every time it both moves me and sends the old shivers down the spine.I love the old jazzy Crimson ... mind you I love all their other stuff too. And to end - anyone who 'gets' King Crimson is in the priveledged minority.Watch a music programme on the TV and on the whole they are catering for potato heads and 12 year old girls... that said every now and then a little gem get's through ... like Acoustic Ladyland ... go on check them out I'm sure you wont regret it. Phil (Ramsgate,Kent in England) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:45:43 -0400 From: Mike Subject: Re: CD REVIEW: KTU - 8 Armed Monkeys Any word on when this is going to be released? It sounds very interesting. I would love to hear it. Cheers, Mike http://community.webtv.net/thedukeofprunes/ALLTHINGSCRIM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:24:53 -0300 From: Julian Subject: Re: Adrian or Robert? Hi everyone, this is my first post (Wish my luck). On the last ET Adele Argonez asked how you can tell which parts are played by Fripp and wich by Belew. A good way is by watching the DVDs. Perhaps someone who has studied music can tell just by hearing, I don't know. But in my case the only way is this: If Robert's hand is moving, then thats Robert playing. In the Eyes Wide Open DVD Adrian makes a joke about this "guitarists confusion" when he plays ToPP alone. He says something like "This is for those who want to know who plays what" and then "Even I'm not sure sometimes". So you see, it's not our fault, it just that their music is so amazingly complicated. Well that's all, I'm glad you are Argentinian Adele, it's good to know that there are other crimheads in our Pampas. Julian Bianchi Camino Argentina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:28:30 -0500 From: Ryan Tassone Subject: Toyah on THTV There's a show on Comedy Central called "Trigger Happy TV," which I assume is filmed primarily in the UK, where the characters go on (usually hidden) camera and piss people off in all sorts of ways. Who should be one of the victims of the show I caught the other day, but Toyah Willcox, the Slinky Minx herself! She was being interviewed by one of the cast members, who kept stopping the interview because the camera wasn't right or something, until the camera man finally stomped off. Toyah seems like a very warm and resplendent individual, from what little I know of her. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:18:21 -0400 From: Les B. Labbauf Subject: A Wedding Crasher's Experience. OK I attended a dance recital this afternoon (Saturday July 30, 2005) when a strange event broke out. I had heard about the free event last Sunday reading the Arts section of the local paper. I noticed that a friend was having a free recital at the local theater (Whitaker Center) here in Harrisburg, PA. What piqued my interest was that he was going to utilize Tom Waits, Jango Rheinhart (SP?), Jack Kerouac, and KING CRIMSON. When we arrived and began to read the PLAYJOE(not playbill) it became clear this was not your usual dance performance. The first part of the show mixed text recital, followed by dance accompanied by the music of Tom Waits/Jango. Recitals of Kerouac followed too. After a short intermission The second part of the show started with King Crimson!! Matte Kudisai; A soft sweet song, embracing the beauty of something simple. Next up was Indiscipline, A retrospective sonic assault. Strange lyrics discussing the examination of something unexplainable. The Sheltering started, and a beautiful song, with emotions and warmth. A sadness of Crying Elephants (You have to hear the song.) And at the end of this Alex and his girlfriend Patrice walk out to greet a Priest. They got married. It was a wedding, and most of the people there had no fucking idea! It hast to go down as the wildest wedding that I have ever attended :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:57:46 -0500 From: Forrest Tohill Subject: "Live" or "Collectible" Catalog Expansion The KCCC has obviously performed a great service in bringing about for fan consumption the legitimate release of KC live material. And as well bringing the recent ELP material to an easily accessible point for us. Question. What about Yes. You know - Jon, Chris, Allan, Rick and all the incarnations related and not? Seriously, has there been, or is there any, discussion or plans by anyone anywhere to help those boys off their duffs to get some of their collectible material to the masses? Just thinking out loud, thinking 'bout nothin' (wrong band). Forrest "Frosty" Tohill Dall-ass, Texas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:39:00 +0300 From: tuomas.eirola Subject: KC live 1973-1974 Hello! After listening to the studio recordings of KC for years, I'm now shifting my focus more to the live recordings. I decided to start from the 72-74 period. I don't have any live recordings from that time yet, and therefore I'd like to hear some comparison of certain cds from that era. For example, the track listings are almost identical in USA and Live at Central Park 1974 (KCCC10). What about the sound quality of the shows? Is the other of these recordings more different than the other compared to the studio versions of the songs played? Is there more improvisations on the other? What about the sound quality or the overall performance on KCCC15, Live in Mainz? I realised that getting this recording would possibly be the easiest way to get Doctor Diamond which I would like to hear. Is this show from Mainz so good that there's no need for getting USA or KCCC10 if I get this record? And what is the difference between these recordings from the 1974 compared to The Nightwatch from 1973? I know its a matter of taste, but I think I can only afford to buy one or two live recordings from that period and I'd like to have some advice on the matter. I cannot afford to buy The Great Deceiver box, which possibly would be a great starter, so are the recordings I have mentioned the best chooses? Thank you for your time. tuomas dot eirola at helsinki dot fi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 12:05:33 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Patrick Gaudin Subject: "Frame By Frame" performed on Old Grey Whistle Test I'm not sure if this has been brought up, but there's an Old Grey Whistle Test DVD that contains King Crimson performing "Frame By Frame". http://www.bbcshop.com/invt/ebbcdvd1280&bklist= Is this properly licensed? Will Mr. Fripp approve of my purchase of this DVD? By the way, Robin Trower and Joe Jackson are also contained on this particular volume. That's a sweeter than sweet added bonus. I just need to find out if this DVD can be played on my Region 1 player. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:52:53 -0400 From: Grassy Sound Subject: Ten Seconds Has there been any news lately about Bill Forth's fabulous band "Ten Seconds"? Their release is one of my top-ten favorite recordings...absolutely spectacular, and well worth seeking out for those unaware of it. If Ten Seconds is extinct, has Forth released any material on his own? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 21:20:18 +0200 From: Fabio Checconi Subject: Larks' Tongues in Aspic Part IV (Tab) This is an attempt to transcribe the first two sections of Larks' Tongues in Aspic Part IV. I hope someone will find it useful; I thank in advance anyone who'll send corrections, comments or the tab for the last section. Thanks to all for your attention, Fabio Larks' Tongues In Aspic Part IV Intro********************************************************************* 4/4 9/4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ---13--15------13-|-----13---------|---------------------------|| T----------16-----|-16------13--15-|---------------------------|| A-----------------|----------------|-14------------------------|| B-----------------|----------------|---------------------------|| ------------------|----------------|---------------------------|| ------------------|----------------|---------------------------|| Section A***************************************************************** Pattern A1-L (left channel) 11/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 T-----------------------------------------------| A-------------------------------------7---------| B--8-----------8-----------8----------7---------| ---7-----------7-----------7--------------------| ---7-----------7-----------7--------------------| Pattern A1-R (right channel) 10/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 T----------------------------------8--------| A----------------------------------7--------| B--8-----------8-------8-----------7--------| ---7-----------7-------7--------------------| ---7-----------7-------7--------------------| Left channel: play A1-L 4 times Right channel: play A1-R 5 times, last time only first 4 8ths 12/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 T---------------------------------------------------| A--------------------------------6-----------7------| B--------------3-----------6-----------5------------| ---------2-----------5------------------------------| ---0------------------------------------------------| 11/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 T--------------8-------------9------------------| A--------9-----------6-------------------10-----| B--6---------------------------------9----------| Left channel: play A1-L 2 times Right channel: play A1-R 3 times, last time only first 2 8ths Pattern A2-L (left channel) 8/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 T----------------------------------| A----------------------6-------7---| B----------3-------6-------5-------| -------2-------5-------------------| ---0-------------------------------| 12/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 T----------8-------9-----------9--------------------| A------9-------6-----------7------------------------| B--6-------------------5----------------------------| Pattern A2-R (right channel) 8/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 T----------------------------------| A----------------------6-------7---| B----------3-------6-------5-------| -------2-------5-------------------| ---0-------------------------------| 12/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 T----------8-------9--------------------------------| A------9-------6---------------10-------------------| B--6-----------------------9------------------------| Left channel: play A2-L Right channel: play A2-R Pattern A3-L (left channel) 11/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 T-----------------------------------------------| A-------------------------------------10--------| B--12----------12----------12---------10--------| ---10----------10----------10-------------------| ---10----------10----------10-------------------| Pattern A3-R (right channel) 10/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 T----------------------------------11-------| A----------------------------------10-------| B--12----------12------12----------10-------| ---10----------10------10-------------------| ---10----------10------10-------------------| Left channel: play A3-L 4 times Right channel: play A3-R 5 times, last time only first 4 8ths Pattern A4-L (left channel) 8/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 T----------------------10------11--| A----------6-------9-------8-------| B------5-------8-------------------| ---3-------------------------------| 14/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 T--------------------------8-------------------------------| A----------8-------9---------------------------------------| B------10------7-------10----------------------------------| ---7-------------------------------------------------------| Pattern A4-R (right channel) 8/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 T----------------------10------11--| A----------6-------9-------8-------| B------5-------8-------------------| ---3-------------------------------| 14/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 -------8---11------12----------9---------------------------| T--------------10----------8-------------------------------| A--9-------------------------------------------------------| B----------------------10----------------------------------| Left channel: play A4-L Right channel: play A4-R Pattern A5 (left channel) 11/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 T----------------------------------------------| A----------------------------------------------| B--8-----------8-----------8-------------------| ---7-----------7-----------7-------------------| ---7-----------7-----------7-------3-----------| Left channel: play A1-L 3 times, then A5 Right channel: play A1-R 5 times, last time only first 4 8ths Left channel: play A2-L skipping last 4 8ths of second measure Right channel: play A2-R skipping last 4 8ths of second measure Left channel: play A3-L 2 times Right channel: play A3-R 3 times, last time only first 2 8ths Pattern A6 (left channel) 8/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 T----------------------13------14--| A----------9-------12------11------| B------8-------11------------------| ---6-------------------------------| 14/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 T--------------------------8-------------------------------| A----------8-------9---------------------------------------| B------10------7-------10----------------------------------| ---7-------------------------------------------------------| Left channel: play A6 Right channel: play A4-R Pattern A7-L (left channel) 5/4 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5 T----9---11--------9--|--------------------|--------------------| A---------------------|-------11--------9--|-------8---------7--| B------------12-------|-10--------8--------|-7---------6--------| 9/8 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 T---------------------|------------------------------------| A--------6------------|-6----------------------------------| B--5------------------|-4----------------------------------| Pattern A7-R (right channel) 5/4 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5 -------11--9-----------|---------------------|--------------------| T------------------9---|-----12--10----------|-----9---7----------| A--9-----------11------|-----------------9---|-----------------7--| B----------------------|-10----------12------|-7-----------10-----| 9/8 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 T------7---5----------|-5----------------------------------| A---------------------|-6----------------------------------| B--5------------------|------------------------------------| Left channel: play A7-L Right channel: play A7-R Left channel: play A1-L 4 times Right channel: play A1-R 5 times, last time only first 4 8ths Pattern A8-L (left channel) 15/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 T--------------------------------------------------------------| A--------------------------------------------------------------| B--------------------------3-----------------------6-----------| ---------------2-----------------------5-----------------------| ---0-----------------------------------------------------------| 13/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 T-------------------------------------------------------| A--6-----------------------7-----------------------9----| B--------------5-----------------------6----------------| 12/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 T----------8-----------------------9-----------9----| A----------------------6-------------------7--------| B--------------------------------------5------------| Pattern A8-R (right channel) 15/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 T--------------------------------------------------------------| A--------------------------------------------------------------| B------------------------------3-----------------------6-------| -------------------2-----------------------5-------------------| -------0-------------------------------------------------------| 13/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 T-------------------------------------------------------| A------6-----------------------7------------------------| B------------------5-----------------------6------------| 12/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 T--------------8-------------------9----------------| A--9-----------------------6-------------------10---| B------------------------------------------9--------| Left channel: play A8-L Right channel: play A8-R Left channel: play A3-L 2 times Right channel: play A3-R 3 times, last time only first 2 8ths Pattern A9-L (left channel) 15/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 T--------------------------------------------------------------| A--------------------------6-----------------------9-----------| B--------------5-----------------------8-----------------------| ---3-----------------------------------------------------------| 13/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 T--10----------------------11---------------------------| A--------------8----------------------------------------| B--------------------------------------------------10---| 12/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 T------------------------------------------8--------| A----------8-----------------------9----------------| B----------------------7---------------10-----------| 6/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 ---(12)-------------------|| T-------------------------|| A-------------------------|| B-------------------------|| Pattern A9-R (right channel) 15/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 T--------------------------------------------------------------| A------------------------------9-----------------------12------| B------------------8-----------------------11------------------| -------6-------------------------------------------------------| 13/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 T------13----------------------14-----------------------| A------------------11-----------------------------------| B-------------------------------------------------------| 12/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 T------------------------------------------8--------| A--------------8-------------------9----------------| B--10----------------------7-----------10-----------| 6/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 ---(9)--------------------|| T-------------------------|| A-------------------------|| B-------------------------|| Section B***************************************************************** Pattern B1 12/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 T--8p6-8-------8p6-8-------8p6-8-------8p6-8p6-8----| A--8p6-8-------8p6-8-------8p6-8-------8p6-8p6-8----| B---------------------------------------------------| Play B1 and repeat starting at fret 11, 8, 12, 15, 14, 15, 13 Left channel: play A7-L Right channel: play A7-R Section C***************************************************************** Left channel: 15/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 T---------6-9-----6-----8-----9---------6-8-----6-----6-----8-| A-----6-7-------7---6-7---6-7-------6-7-------6---6-7---6-7---| B-5-8---------8-----------------5-8---------8-----------------| 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 T---------6-9-----6-----8-----9---------6-9-----8-----9-----11-| A-----6-7-------7---6-7---6-7-------6-7-----6-7---6-7---7-8----| B-5-8---------8-----------------5-8----------------------------| 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 -------------10-11------10------10------11- T------11-12-------9-11----9-11----9-11---- A-9-13------------------------------------- B------------------------------------------ 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 ------------10-11-------11-------11-------12-| ------11-12-------11-12----11-12----11-12----| -9-12----------------------------------------| 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 -------------11-12-------12-------12-------13- T------11-12-------11-12----11-12----11-12---- A-9-13---------------------------------------- B--------------------------------------------- 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 ---------------13-------12-------11-------10-| ---------11-12----11-12----11-12----11-12----| -9-12-13-------------------------------------| 12/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 T----------8-11-10---9---8------------8-10-9---8-------| A------8-9---------9---9---8------8-9--------8---8-9-8-| B-7-10-----------------------7-10----------------------| 15/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 T----------8-11-10---9---8------------8-10-11-8----------------------| A------8-9---------9---9---8------8-9-----------9-8------------------| B-7-10-----------------------7-10-------------------10-7-6-----------| 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 T-------------------------------------------------------------| A---------3-5-----3-----5-----6-----------2-----2-----2-----5-| B-----4-5-----4-5---4-5---4-5-------2-4-5---4-5---4-5---4-5---| --3-6---------------------------3-6---------------------------| 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 T-------------------------------------------------------------| A---------3-5-----3-----5-----6---------3-6-----5-----6-----8-| B-----4-5-----4-5---4-5---4-5-------4-5-----4-5---4-5---5-6---| --3-6---------------------------3-6---------------------------| 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 T---------6-9-----8-----8-----9---------6-9-----9-----9-----11-| A-----6-7-----6-7---6-7---6-7-------6-7-----6-7---6-7---7-8----| B-5-8---------------------------5-8----------------------------| 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 T----------8-10-----10-----10-----11----------8-11-----10-----9-----9-| A------8-9------8-9----8-9----8-9---------8-9------8-9----8-9---8-9---| B-7-10-------------------------------7-10-----------------------------| 12/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 T-------------13-16-15----14----13----------------13-15-14----13----------| A-------13-14----------14----14----13-------13-14----------13----13-14-13-| B-12-15-------------------------------12-15-------------------------------| 15/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 T-------------13-16-15----14----13---- A-------13-14----------14----14----13- B-12-15------------------------------- 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 -------------13-15-16-13------------------------------------| -------13-14-------------14-13------------------------------| -12-15-------------------------15-12-11---------------------| 6/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 T-------------------------------------| A-------------------------------------| B-------------------------------------| --(8)---------------------------------| 15/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 T-------------------------------------------------------------| A---------2-4-----2-----4-----5---------2-4-----2-----2-----4-| B-----3-4-----3-4---3-4---3-4-------3-4-----3-4---3-4---3-4---| --2-5---------------------------2-5---------------------------| 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 T-------------------------------------------------------------| A---------2-4-----2-----4-----5---------2-5-----4-----5-----6-| B-----3-4-----3-4---3-4---3-4-------3-4-----3-4---3-4---4-5---| --2-5---------------------------2-5---------------------------| 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 T-------------------------------------------------------------| A---------3-6-----5-----5-----6---------3-6-----6-----6-----7-| B-----4-5-----4-5---4-5---4-5-------4-5-----4-5---4-5---5-6---| --3-6---------------------------3-6---------------------------| 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 T-------------------------------------------------------------| A---------4-7-----7-----7-----8---------4-8-----7-----6-----6-| B-----5-6-----5-6---5-6---5-6-------5-6-----5-6---5-6---5-6---| --4-7---------------------------4-7---------------------------| 12/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 T----------8-11-10---9---8------------8-10-9---8-------| A------8-9---------9---9---8------8-9--------8---8-9-8-| B-7-10-----------------------7-10----------------------| 15/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 T----------8-11-10---9---8------------8-10-11-8----------------------| A------8-9---------9---9---8------8-9-----------9-8------------------| B-7-10-----------------------7-10-------------------10-7-6-----------| 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 T---------3-6-----3-----5-----6---------3-5-----3-----3-----5-| A-----3-4-------4---3-4---3-4-------3-4-------4-----4-----4---| B-2-5---------5-----------------2-5---------5-----5-----5-----| 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 T---------3-6-----3-----5-----6---------3-6-----5-----6-----8-| A-----3-4-------4---3-4---3-4-------3-4-----3-4---3-4---5-6---| B-2-5---------5-----------------2-5---------------------------| 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 T-------------12-13-------12-------12-------13- A-------12-13-------12-13----12-13----12-13---- B-12-15---------------------------------------- 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 -------------12-13-------13-------13-------14-| -------12-13-------12-13----12-13----12-13----| -11-14----------------------------------------| 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 T-------------13-14-------14-------14-------15- A-------12-13-------13-14----13-14----13-14---- B-11-14---------------------------------------- 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 ----------------15-------14-------13-------12-| ----------12-13----12-13----12-13----12-13----| -11-14-15-------------------------------------| 12/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 T-------------15-18-17----16----15----------------15-17-16----15----------| A-------15-16----------16----16----15-------15-16----------15----15-16-15-| B-14-17-------------------------------14-17-------------------------------| 15/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 T-------------15-18-17----16----15---- A-------15-16----------16----16----15- B-14-17------------------------------- 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 -------------15-17-18-15-------------------------------| -------15-16-------------16-15-------------------------| -14-17-------------------------17-14-13----------------| 19/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 T------------------------8-10-11-10----------------------- A--------------------8-9------------9-8------------------- B-----------3-4-7-10--------------------10-7-6------------ ------2-3-5-------------------------------------8-5-4----- --0-3-------------------------------------------------6-3- 14 15 16 17 18 19 -----------------2-5--------------| -------------3-5------------------| -------2-4-5----------------------| -0-3-6----------------------------| 12/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 T-(4)---------------------------------------------|| A-------------------------------------------------|| B-------------------------------------------------|| Section D***************************************************************** Pattern D1 12/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 T--3p1-3-------3p1-3-------3p1-3-------3p1-3p1-3b4--| A--3p1-3-------3p1-3-------3p1-3-------3p1-3p1-3b4--| B---------------------------------------------------| Play D1 two times and repeat starting at fret 6, 3, 7, 7, 10, 9, 10 13/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 T--8p6-8-------8p6-8-------8p6-8-----------------------| A--8p6-8-------8p6-8-------8p6-8-----------------------| B------------------------------------------------------| Play D1 starting at fret 12, 12, 15, 12, 16, 16, 15, 14, 15, 14 Section E***************************************************************** 4/4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 ------------------|----------------|-----------------|-----------------| T--13--15--11--13-|-11--13--9---11-|-9---11--7---9---|-7---9-------7---| A-----------------|----------------|-----------------|---------9-------| B-----------------|----------------|-----------------|-----------------| ------------------|----------------|-----------------|-----------------| ------------------|----------------|-----------------|-----------------| 7/4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ------------------|----------------|-----------------------------| T------7----------|----------------|-----------------------------| A--9-------7---9--|-7---9---5---7--|-2---------------------------| B-----------------|----------------|-----------------------------| ------------------|----------------|-----------------------------| ------------------|----------------|-----------------------------| ... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:36:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Vince Font Subject: Banco De Mutuo Soccorso, King Crimson, and more on "PROG'OPOLIS" (internet radio) Come one, come all, come celebrate the joy of another prog-filled Saturday night with your gracious and talented hosts Vince and Daisy Jane. Yet again, we kept the throngs of prog-hungry beasties at bay with such tasty offerings as Eloy, Zappa, U.K., Camel, Yes, King Crimson, and Banco De Mutuo Soccorso (listening to Vince's crash-and-burn attempt at pronouncing this particular band name is worth a listen in and of itself). Your gracious hosts came through with yet another hour-long "Crimson Connection" guaranteed to leave you slack-jawed and aching for more. Then there was the premiere of a brand new show feature called "The Deviated Segment"--each week promises to bring something new, awe-inspiring and horizon-expanding (if not just plain old dumb and fun). That's right, last night's show is not to be missed, nor soon forgotten. The city even provided fireworks for the occasion! So what are you waiting for? Run on over to http://www.thedividingline.com/p and get down with your prog self! Prog'opolis XXIII; 08.06.2005 Steve Hackett - Vampire With a Healthy Appetite <5.20> Prog'opolis Intro <1.07> Blackfield - Pain <3.47> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Banco De Mutuo Soccorso - La Conquista Della Pozisione Eretta <8.42> Vienna Teng - Harbor <4.15> Coheed & Cambria - Welcome Home <6.16> REQUEST ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eloy - Castle In The Air <7.17> Frank Zappa - Oh No <1.45> REQUEST Frank Zappa - The Orange County Lumber Truck <3.21> REQUEST Tuatara - Love Is A Calculated Risk <4.21> REQUEST ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *THE CRIMSON CONNECTION* King Crimson - Cage <1.35> Bozzio Levin Stevens - Dangerous <6.38> U.K. - In The Dead Of Night <5.34> Adrian Belew - Something To Do <2.40> Trey Gunn & Pat Mastelotto - Misey Die... Die... Die <4.54> King Crimson - Eyes Wide Open <4.11> No-Man - Angeldust <9.09> Yes - Long Distance Runaround <3.29> Yes - The Fish (Shindleria Praematurus) <2.31> Rimitti - Sidi Mansour <7.42> King Crimson - Starless (live) <11.59> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Who - Eminence Front <5.37> Ozric Tentacles - The Sacred Turf <3.08> The Wishing Tree - Empire Of Lies <5.11> REQUEST Genesis - Looking For Someone <7.08> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *THE DEVIATED SEGMENT* Magyar Posse - Witchcraft <4.55> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Camel - The Final Encore <8.07> REQUEST Elbow - Asleep In The Back <3.47> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Steve Hackett - Tristesse <3.58> Listen to "PROG'OPOLIS!" every Saturday night from 7-10pm (PST) and catch 'The Crimson Connection', a weekly hour-long celebration of King Crimson and related music. Listen live or catch the archive anytime at http://www.thedividingline.com/p ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1213 *********************************