Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1212 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1212 Sunday, 24 July 2005 Today's Topics: Re: Crafty appears with Blue Man Group in Chicago Frippertronics Archival Recordings from didier camonin french Red Transcription Fripp encounter Adrian or Robert? My Own ProjeKct don't be Saussure Classical and Jazz Standards Adrian at Park West KING CRIMSON: STARLESS AND BIBLE BLACK CD REVIEW: KTU - 8 Armed Monkey NEW ADRIAN BELEW on "Prog'opolis" ((webradio)) King Crimson For Sale NYC recording Adrian Belew eBay auctions of possible interest to ETers ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send *all posts* to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com ** Posts intended for the newsletter should have a subject prefix of ETPOST ** Posts intended for an individual newsletter contributor should have a subject prefix of their ET 'Ticket Number', shown at ETxxxxx in their 'From:' line in the newsletter. 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The ET TEAM accepts no responsibility for the views of authors of posts. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b. If you'd like to donate to the upkeep of ET, please press the "Donate" button at ETWeb. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:58:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Stack Subject: Re: Crafty appears with Blue Man Group in Chicago Hello! We recently attended Blue Man Group in Briar Street Theater, Chicago (July 1, 2005). For the uninitiated, Blue Men perform with an accompanying "rock" band, and every time I've seen them in Chicago they had drums, Chapman stick and zither. The night of our performance, the Zither player was Mr. Tom McCarthy. His Playbill bio says: "He studied guitar with Robert Fripp in the latter's Guitar Craft seminars. After stints in Dublin playing pop music in the city's public houses and performing in a Crafty-related progressive rock band in Berlin, Germany, Tom returned to the U.S., first to Boston where he jointed the Boston cast of Blue Man Group part time." As a former bassist to crafty Lon Jones and his Tulsa, OK band "Cavu," I found this information both interesting and exciting! We are now beginning to see Crafties leaving their mark on the world of popular entertainment. Tom's playing, although not guitar, clearly reflected the sonic philosophies of Bob Fripp and were highly engaging. Hope this was of interest, please watch for Crafties to show up in future performances! Cheers, Chuck Stack, Chicago IL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:52:38 -0400 From: Microbunny Subject: Frippertronics Archival Recordings Message to all Frippertronics fans (and hopefully to Robert Fripp and DGM): I've recently accumulated some archival audience recordings of various performances from the incredible and courageous Fripp & Eno tour of 1975 through to the Frippertronics tours of 1979 and to a lesser extent in 1983, with occasional one-offs in between. I am stunned and completely enthralled by the beauty of the performances. Quite simply there is nothing like it. They are mind-blowingly good. And although the more recent Soundscapes have their own charm and some vague similarities, it is intentionally very different in both sound and in Fripp's playing style. I listen to these Frippertronics recordings frequently and never tire of them. My only complaint is that because they were illicitly recorded, there are often sonic quality problems for a multitude of reasons and that I also feel a tinge of guilt about listening to them, as I know they were originally recorded against the wishes of Mr.Fripp himself. However....without these recordings, I would have no way to enjoy them, aside from my vague memory of the one show I did manage to attend in Toronto 1979. It's the next closest thing possible to actually being there, so for that I am thankful, despite what the recorder's original intentions may have been. Which brings me to the point of this rambling. I know that part of the original analogue tape "stereo" process, results in a fully formed complete Frippertronics recording. A very small and select few of these have been officially released as the vinyl God Save the Queen and the later Let the Power Fall CD, with a few other assorted tidbits here and there, but these only represent a tiny portion of what must be a vast library of beautifully recorded material. Why not offer some of these recordings as digital downloads and sell them to interested fans (like myself) via the DGM website ? Or make limited run (300 or so) compilation CD's of selected pieces from various performances (i.e. Let the Power Fall - Volume 2, 3, 4 etc...) ? Or some of the Fripp and Eno performances from 1975 ? This would involve little to no expenditure aside from the time needed to transfer them from the tapes and balance volume levels. I myself as I am sure many others would be more than thrilled to donate services to assist in this venture. It would be more than a pleasure...it would be an honour to unveil these lost works of art to the world. Why not invite a survey to see if there is enough interest on your DGM site or via a DGM newsletter ? Anyone in favour please respond and add your voice. Maybe someday, someone will hear. Al Okada Canada ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:08:34 +0200 From: didier Camonin Subject: from didier camonin french hi, excuse me, i'm not sure that this is the right place to ask my question, but i don't know whereelse to ask it. I've bought the triple cd of king crimson heavy construction because i saw on it that there was a concert of KC. Unfortunately i can't see it. The password required as explained on the read_me file does not exist, the site kingcrimsontv.com does not exist either, how to manage it ? the budget for acquiring this cd was high for me and i'm really disappointed. I've tried also to run the cd with winamp, i have the pictures but no sound. My computer is new and i can read of course many videos. Can you help me ? please thank you didier Camonin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:55:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mithra Subject: Red Transcription I've been trying to find a good transcription of Red. No offense to anyone, but the tabs I found here don't seem quite right to me. I found a MIDI file of Red on Frakctured Zone that sounded good. However when I tried transcribing it, I noticed that some of the guitar parts were too low. So, now I'm stupmed. The parts I am having issues with are the background guitars and bass especially during the opening portion. Anyone out there who knows this? Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:29:28 -0700 (PDT) From: anthony bellucci Subject: Fripp encounter As a long-time Fripp enthusiast and supporter of his views/actions/reactions to fan behavior during encounters , I felt a "burning" desire to recount my own recent experience during a quite unexpected encounter with Mr. Fripp. I attended the recent Soundscapes performance at Toad's Place in New Haven Connecticut and , after driving my friend Tom home , stopped at one of my favorite restaurants for a late dinner . This was about 20 minutes after Robert took his final bows for a wonderful and intimate ( and quite funny during the question/answer session ) performance. As I walked through the front door of Sahara's Restaurant there was a man with his back to me at the front counter waiting for his order. At this time in the evening the restaurant was empty except for me , the man at the counter , and the staff in the kitchen . I made my way to the counter to place my order and to my left I noticed a very familiar figure , Mr. Robert Fripp. We looked at each other, I extended my hand in a natural reaction to meeting someone , he extended his in reply , we contacted and I expressed my thanks for a wonder performance that evening. He acknowledged my thanks. Then... We Shared Silence... This went on for maybe a minute while the staff person was packing Mr. Fripp's order. Just Robert Fripp and I waiting for Sahara's Tastiness to arrive...in silence. Mr. Fripp's order was delivered first. He accepted it and collected his things to leave.We acknowledged each other once again for a "Good evening..." and I thanked him for returning to New Haven. He strode out the door, into the night, and continued on his Life-Journey, tastiness in hand... Encounter completed. I will say this was certainly an unexpected and wonderful experience for myself, to share a silence with a musician whom I hold in very high regard. I will also venture to say that this was a successful encounter for Mr. Fripp as well. Just a guess of course, but I think a good one. I felt a desire to share this with readers of ET and to take from it what you will... Robert Fripp , I thank you for the shared silence... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:00:42 BST From: Adele Argonez Subject: Adrian or Robert? Dear Elephant Talkers, For a time now I have had confusion about the playing between Robert Fripp and Adrian Belew. How do people know when one is playing and not the other? I read a lots of times about how person reviewing or commenting the records speak about how "Robert plays this" or "Adrian plays his", but have never been capable of working out who is playing from just listening to the records. So how do you know? Sorry about my bad English. Adele Argonez Argentina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:07:58 BST From: FD33362 Subject: My Own ProjeKct This may seem a bit crazy to some, but I am off work in three weeks's time after a -very- busy time of it in the last six months, and have planned a major indulgence. I am planning to set aside a few days in the near future and to sit through *every* King Crimson recording played in sequence. Not just the studio album, but the live albums too - an that includes all the Collectors Club releases and ProjeKcts as well. Maybe even the better-sounding bootlegs as well. I've no idea how long it will take, but I am -so- looking forward to this. I've really neglected my favourite music over the last six months due to major work commitments. My question to you all is this - has anyone else tried to do this stunt and did you suddenly notice something about the musical development through all the albums? In other words - is KC really* a 'way of doing things' or is there something else bubbling beneath the surface? I know what -I- consider to be the sound of KC, and I hear it in the oddest and (sometimes) the least-remarkable corners of the music. I'm interested in hearing what others have to say on the subject. Thanks to the ET Team for keeping this forum together. francis d ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:43:38 -0500 From: Brunkhorst Subject: don't be Saussure >Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 10:03:23 +0000 >From: Mark Harvey >Subject: What's in a key? Brunkhorst wrote: "(This is the explanation, by the way, of the joke in 'This is Spinal Tap' about D minor being the saddest of all keys - because a key by itself contains nothing but an agreed-upon group of notes.)" Some caveats need to be inserted into this observation: (a) This need not necessarily be true for someone who possesses perfect pitch. And in particular, some people with chromaesthesia report their experience of a particular note being associated with an experience of a particular colour. This includes some noted classical composers (Scriabin, Messiaen, Rimsky-Korsakov and Liszt) who would choose the keys of their compositions accordingly. (b) Your own body is part of the acoustic environment in which you hear a sound, and it has some elements which remain relatively constant over time. In particular, the shape of your skull will determine certain frequencies (pitches) more resonant with it than others. (c) Yes, a key does in essence consist of any agreed-upon group of notes, but those notes will stand in certain harmonic relations to each other (2:1, 3:1, 4:1 being of especial importance) which are mathematically governed rather than arbitrary. The fact that, say, Hirajoshi scale has a completely different emotional resonance to, say, Neapolitan Minor scale, or whole-tone scale, is a function of the notes selected and the mathematical relationships that exist between them. You cannot transfer Saussurean linguistics to music theory, not especially because of the absence of an order of the signified, but because the note B has a certain axiomatic relationship to C that is quite different to the arbitrary relationship between "BAT" and "CAT". (d) Most directly relevant, especially for guitarists, is the fact that choice of key governs the range of chord shapes that are available. In standard tuning, the open G major chord (3-2-0-0-0-3), for instance, is a combination that is distinctive and recognisable (and pretty crap-sounding - use the E-shape bar chord on the 3rd fret instead). Choosing F minor as a key will mean that you have no open strings available (other than for accidentals, of course), which will mean less fluency, but also a tendency to use more vibrato than otherwise would be the case. And so on. On that basis, D minor is a pretty odd choice, because when you resolve into the chord of the tonic you will be (in standard tuning) playing a chord that (using the usual chord fingering shape) only uses the top four strings, which can, along with D major, acoustically sound quite weak relative to other keys. (Of course you get round this by barring A minor-shape on the 5th fret, using your thumb on the 1st fret of the bottom string or tuning the bottom string down to D.) Nevertheless the joke still stands, because unless Nigel in Spinal Tap is a Zen master he doesn't understand an iota of this. But a bit less ill-thought-out poststructuralist gibberish would be appreciated. (I bet I won't be the only one who posts on this.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:24:53 EDT From: MDJSocial Subject: Classical and Jazz Standards In a message dated 7/14/2005 2:55:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, et at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk writes: > Anyway, I'd like to discuss a thing: I'd like to hear mr Fripp dealing > with jazz standards and some classical pieces. Nothing special, he'd > just pick the one he loves the most. I'd really like to see what the man > can do without a Fernandez sustainer thing or a huge set of pedals. That > would be an interesting thing for my personal believe is that KC needs > to go furter to an higher level and not being stuck in in the rock > ground, that, though very visceral and productive, could be at the same > time a cage. Here's an idea: Why not just follow Robert Fripp's muse where it leads him? Michael Jeter _http://protect.org/_ (http://protect.org/) National Association to Protect Children America's First Political Lobby for Child Protection ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:45:07 -0500 From: Paul Shuck Subject: Adrian at Park West I am a seldom-posting person who feels compelled to inform you that I saw Adrian last night at Park West in Chicago with my 16 year son and nephew and he was absolutely fabulous! His band of two Mikes was stellar and he played music from his solo albums, King Crimson and a very stunning Beatles song he incorporated into a piece. It made me think the the Beatles could not have topped live, With-in You, Without you, on their best day, had they chose to ever play it. Adrian should consider doing an album of Beatles music as he showed that it is music that deserves to be played live! It brought tears to my eyes. 3 encores and a very generous autograph session made the show very special. A definate must see for anyone, let alone fans. Elephant Talk and Frame-by-Frame were rearranged for a 3 piece in a stunning way, as were the rest of the songs. Adrian is a musician at the top of his game live and Side Two is a stunning CD and I can't wait for Side Three. Well, enough gushing, but I think he took a couple years off my 51, burned them right off! I wish, though, that I could have given Adrian some of my hair, as his was lacking, but I couldn't spare a shaft myself! Paul Shuck PS my son and nephew were not the only ones brought by parents to see the band, a very encouraging thing to see ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 02:47:05 +0100 (BST) From: MALCOLM XERXES Subject: KING CRIMSON: STARLESS AND BIBLE BLACK PARLIAMENT OF PACHYDERMS, It happened late last month that I was introduced by a bassist friend of mine to a guitarist whom he had met only minutes beforehand. During the time we had together, I asked him who his favourite guitarists were, who had been most influential upon his own playing. He cited MESSRS. ROBERT FRIPP & JAMES MARSHALL HENDRIX (in that order!), so naturally, I became thrilled, as I was planning to leave my band owing to musical boredom that I had experienced while recording our 3rd album, & subsequent dissatisfaction about how I had been buried in the mix (for the 3rd time!) When he engaged me in further conversation, he asked me to name my favourite band, which caused me to reply "KING CRIMSON" without hesitation. Then he asked me to name a favourite album, to which I replied, "Only *one*?!" He didn't let me off the hook, so I said that while I was *tempted* to cite KING CRIMSON": STARLESS & BIBLE BLACK, I found myself leaning towards KING CRIMSON": RED. Upon hearing this, he revealed that his own favourite was the latter, & that he was relieved to learn that I was not "a Prog Rock poseur". This led to an impromptu session of "THE GREAT DECEIVER", with him singing MR. JOHN WETTON'S vocal melody, & me singing his harmony while drumming simultaneously. That prompted him to say that he could not believe that he had managed to find a drummer who could not only play the music correctly, but could sing it while doing so. I told him that if I were ever lucky enough to play with a band like YES", I would be desperate to sing the harmonies for "CLOSE TO THE EDGE", & that MR. TONY LEVIN impressed me because he was so fearless about taking on the vocal role that he assumed in the DISCIPLINE" band & ANDERSON/BRUFORD/WAKEMAN/HOWE. I hope to have something positive to report, soon, although I don't expect much from the bassist, who is a Bluesman that doesn't know the name JOHN WETTON. "...Be seeing you!" MALCOLM XERXES Stuntman/Actor FINNEGAN'S SQUAD" http://www.malcolmxerxes.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:10:11 +1000 From: Owen Keenan Subject: CD REVIEW: KTU - 8 Armed Monkey This should interest most here. Pat & Trey have joined forces with Kluster for the new group KTU. I have posted a review of their forthcoming phenomenal CD "8 Armed Monkey" at http://www.projekction.net/textonly/thread.php?topic_id=2511 While you're at the site, why not have a look around. There's no need to register if you select the text only option. Cheers, Owen A member of http://www.projekction.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:36:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Vince Font Subject: NEW ADRIAN BELEW on "Prog'opolis" ((webradio)) Thanks to everyone who turned out for last night's "Prog'opolis" to celebrate the release of Adrian Belew's new CD "Side Two". We had a blast spotlighting the CD on this week's "Crimson Connection" and will follow-up next week by playing the rest of the songs we didn't get to, so be sure to tune in next Saturday for that! Of course if you missed the show, or any part of it, you can simply click here http://www.thedividingline.com/p and either download the entire show or listen via streaming audio. Prog'opolis Playlist 07.16.05; Show XX Jeff Buckley - Eternal Life <4.52> Prog'opolis Intro <1.07> Rush - The Spirit Of Radio <4.59> Kansas - The Spider <2.03> Kansas - Portrait (He Knew) <4.38> Eloy - Atlantis' Agony At June 5th - 8498, 13PM Gregorian Earthtime <15.39> Lightspeed - Fly Away <7.01> Camel - West Berlin <5.10> Camel - Spirit Of The Water <2.07> *THE CRIMSON CONNECTION* Adrian Belew - Dead Dog On Asphalt <4.05> Adrian Belew - I Wish I Knew <3.19> King Crimson - Indoor Games <5.34> Robert Fripp - You Burn Me Up I'm A Cigarette <2.22> CG3+2 - Melrose Avenue <2.13> King Crimson - The Great Deceiver (live) <4.16> Adrian Belew - Quicksand <3.19> King Crimson - I Talk To The Wind <6.04> Wetton & Downes - Meet Me At Midnight <2.38> Bruford Levin Upper Extremities - Etude Revisited (live) <5.06> Adrian Belew - I Know Now <1.26> King Crimson - Formentera Lady <10.18> Bill Bruford - Split Seconds <4.38> Adrian Belew - Sex Nerve <3.06> Adrian Belew - Sunlight <4.32> Afghan Whigs - Debonair <4.14> Nektar - Marvelous Moses <6.36> Spock's Beard - Harm's Way <11.05> Laurie Anderson - Excellent Birds <3.16> REQUEST Area 39 - Beyond The Clouds <3.45> Area 39 - Through The Eyes Of A Telescope <5.45> Vienna Teng - The Tower <3.56> Genesis - Hold On My Heart <4.31> regards, Vince and Daisy Jane Prog'opolis hosts Listen to "PROG'OPOLIS!" every Saturday night from 7-10pm (PST) and catch 'The Crimson Connection', a weekly hour-long celebration of King Crimson and related music. Listen live or catch the archive anytime at http://www.thedividingline.com/p.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:49:30 -0700 (PDT) From: S P Subject: King Crimson For Sale Hello All, I'm selling off the majority of my KC (and related) collection since I don't listen to them much anymore and I need the space (and the money) to add to my jazz collection. A partial list: All KC live and studio CD's All KCCC All projeKcts and the ProjecKts Box Great Deceiver box set Frame By Frame box set Fripp Unplugged Box Thrak Special Edition in Aluminum Box w/Book Eyes Wide Open and Deja Vrooom DVD's All VHS videos including Fripp's Careful w/That Axe Eric Tamm's Robert Fripp Book Sid Smith's In the Court of KC book All solo Trey Gunn ELP Manticore Box Many other KC related side projects and DGM releases I am asking $5 for single CD's, $10 for double CD's (plus postage) Box Sets, DVD's, Videos and Books are priced individually I prefer to ship only inside the US E-mail me at progressivesp at yahoo dot com if there is something specific you are looking for. Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:33:31 -0400 From: ototor0 Subject: NYC recording >From RF's journal: "We have decided to release an album of Soundscapes from the performance at The New York Society For Ethical Culture. Hopefully, for this autumn." Wonderful. Something special really entered the (beautiful) performance space that evening. My wife, after the NYSEC Soundscapes: "I thought he was supposed to be a jerk. That was beautiful." >From the mouths of babes... :) -thom www.novasocial.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:36:02 GMT From: Holly H Subject: Adrian Belew Good news indeed from Adrian's web site: king crimson: robert and I speak at least once a week. he has given me the clear impression that for crimson this is a time of gentle building toward the next generation of crimson material including periodic writing with the two of us here at studiobelew, and a time for assessing future ways of working. the band will be active again at some point and with tony levin in the line-up. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 July 2005 21:46:15 +0100 From: gakochan Subject: eBay auctions of possible interest to ETers Hi, ETers might be interested in a few items I have on auction at eBay: * Adrian Belew "Electronic Guitar" instructional video from 1984 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6417671095 * South Bank Editions, 1987 festival brochure, includes RF & LOCG, and Bill Bruford/Earthworks http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7533137400 * CD: Flying Discs Of Luv, which includes Trey Gunn on 3 tracks http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4750781569 * CD: Sonic Residue From Vapourspace. Remixes of several Magna Carta label artists, including Bozzio Levin Stevens. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4751047605 Best wishes gakochan ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1212 *********************************