Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1199 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1199 Wednesday, 9 February 2005 Today's Topics: John Bonham Drum Trax Re: Fripp and the weariness of touring Fripp & Eno / Frippertronics Website King Crimson disappears from music stores' shelves in Boston, MA Fripp should stop touring Giles Brothers - Photos late fifties Mr Fripp and Live Performance Retirement. News regarding Greg Lake From the Ian Hunter Web Site O'Shea's Crim Adventure Fripp doesn't belong in king Crimson Ovation Legend 1867 No Longer...... A few eBay items... 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If you'd like to donate to the upkeep of ET, please press the "Donate" button at ETWeb. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:37:15 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: John Bonham Drum Trax I thought a few people here would be interested in a link to MP3s of John Bonham drum tracks from the In Through The Out Door record. I'm not sure how long these will stay here, so you might want to rip copies quickly! Lots of looping possibilities... :-) http://www.disndat.info/bonham/ And for music with no drums, feel free to download some of this: UNDO: http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=listing_song_artist Enjoy David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:00:41 +0000 From: Richard Rees Jones Subject: Re: Fripp and the weariness of touring Sallak wrote: "Has Mr. Fripp considered venues where a quiet, concentrated audience can be more reasonably expected? Has he considered, as an example, residencies at university schools of music or performing arts establishments? I can think of any number of institutions where classical guitar students might be interested in NST and flat-pick technique. Certainly there are numerous electronic music studios where real-time electro-acoustic performances such as Soundscapes would be welcomed by students and faculty. And venues where a more "classical" audience mindset is the norm will, in all likelihood, result in quiet attention and focus." Is it your idea that these performances would be open to the public, and advertised as such? If so, I can assure you that such performances wouldn't provide Fripp with any more of a conducive atmosphere than a rock gig would. Any gig where Fripp or King Crimson are advertised as performing will automatically attract the kind of audience Fripp wants to get away from, whether it's staged at a 'classical' type venue or not. And, even if these performances are only open to students or faculty or whatever, they would still attract the kind of students Fripp doesn't want to play in front of. Nice try but it's no answer. Richard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:14:33 -0500 From: Microbunny Subject: Fripp & Eno / Frippertronics Website Hello ! Thanks to all who checked out the website dedicated to the appreciation of Fripp & Eno and Frippertronics. There were many great responses and some very helpful contributions. Please keep them coming ! Especially any information relating to the mysterious Fripp & Eno Tour of Europe in 1975. Please visit again (or for the first time) as many additions and upgrades to the site have taken place. http://home.cogeco.ca/~frippertronics/Frippertronics.htm Thanks and enjoy ! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:18:40 -0500 From: David Kirkdorffer Subject: King Crimson disappears from music stores' shelves in Boston, MA Looking at the racks in the local music stores in Boston, MA I notice = that their is little or NO inventory of King Crimson CD's for sale.=20 - Do other readers of ET notice if this is happening elsewhere in the = USA? =20 - How about in the EU, and South America? Is this planned and the by product of some process that has been = underway - or is this a surprize to the folks at DGM? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:29:17 -0600 From: wviland Subject: Fripp should stop touring He doesn't need to anymore. Although I love the live experience, I support Robert in his decision to discontinue subjecting himself to public violation. You know, he's not a young as he used to be. I've attended several of his shows and was frankly embarrassed by the audience. This has been true for many rock concerts I've attended, Primus being one of the worst. These musicians work very hard to put their music together, so why can't we all just sit down and shut up? However, we music enthusiasts/critics/lovers still need Roberts unique style and approach to music. Consider this, what about bringing the Crafty course to the net. Many of us would pay dearly for lectures on theory, practice exercises, and close up shots of fingering and picking. Maybe behind the scenes video of you at work during recording sessions and the like. Robert, I know your not dead yet In fact, I think your better today then you've ever been. But it may be time to consider selling the farm while its still fertile (so to speak). It would be dreadful for your style to discontinue its growth just to sell re-releases of history. Wade L Viland Information Technology Manager Thin Film Technology Corporation tel: (507)625-8445 x 52 fax: (507)625-3523 http://www.thin-film.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:00:32 -0500 From: Patrick Gaudin Subject: Giles Brothers - Photos late fifties Here are some links that surely must be of interest to Crimson fans and for Robert Fripp because they are all photos of late-fifties bands from the Bournemouth area. This first link includes the Giles brothers: JOHNNY KING AND THE RAIDERS: http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/vintagehofner/earlybands/band18.html THE TENNESSEE TRAMPS SKIFFLE GROUP: http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/vintagehofner/earlybands/band20.html THE BLACKHAWKS : http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/vintagehofner/earlybands/band19.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:12:33 EST From: IanSharwood Subject: Mr Fripp and Live Performance Retirement. Hi Folk One of my rare postings but I think I have to say something brief on this subject. I am not fully conversant with the actual date Robert started live performance but I would assume it was in the early to mid 60's. Let us assume for arguments sake it was 1965. It is now 2005. Forty years on and off the road, bearing in mind the destructive mental forces at work in this particular industry, is more than one could possibly expect. Let the man alone to make his own decision. Robert and the various musicians he has worked with over the years have given me much joy. I have all of his legal live and studio work. I can't ask for more, I just want to say thank you Robert for the music that has accompanied my life; in Love, Depression and Elation. Have a rest and relax; you have earned it. Ian Sharwood ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:35:15 -0000 From: Martin Wilson Subject: News regarding Greg Lake I got home today to pick up my copy of "The Community Magazine - Covering Broadstone, Christchurch, Corfe Mullen, Ferndown, Poole, Ringwood, Verwood, & Wimborne" to find the following article; "Greg Lake to present service awards Dorset-born singer and guitarist Greg Lake will present the awards at East Dorset District Council's Community Service awards evening in April. Greg, who was first introduced to the international music scene nearly four decades ago with rock innovators King Crimson, is probably better known as a founder member of the legendary British rock band Emerson Lake & Palmer. To many people, however, he will be most famous for is chart topping seasonal holiday single "I believe in Father Christmas". If you know of someone who deserves to be recognised for his or her involvement in the local community, then there is still time to make a nomination before the closing date of 11th February. To obtain a nomination form please ring 01202 886201 ext 2324" I would have nominated Mr Fripp but; 1.. I don't think he lives in Dorset anymore 2.. Don't recall the last time KC performed in Dorset. Last I recall RF lived in Salisbury (in Wiltshire) Martin Wilson Verwood ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:53:24 -0500 From: Joseph Basile Subject: From the Ian Hunter Web Site "Actually, Fripp is a bit of a fan. He's been known to turn up on occasion. Saw King Crimson way back at the Marquee; blew me away." -Ian Hunter/ From the Official Ian Hunter Website. The Horses Mouth January 7, 2005. I admire both as men and musician for not compromising their music, and I admire their kindness towards others! FYI / They remastered a 2 CD set of Mott the Hoople Live (both full concerts) I always loved the meddely from this. Saw Ian in the burg with another former Bowie guitarist ( Mick Ronson /RIP) back in the 80's! -Basile BY The Three Rivers who is Walking With a Mountain!/ Or is he a Crash Street Kid? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 08:49:34 -0600 From: Brad Cook Subject: O'Shea's Crim Adventure Hey all! It's been loooong time since I posted here. Every once in a while one comes across some random mysterious quote by someone famous that makes you wonder if they're a Crim fan. This isn't the first time we've seen mention of larks tongue in aspic but I stumbled across the website for Mark O'Shea today (herpetologist and star of "O'Shea's Big Adventure" on the Discovery Channel) and I found the following entry: "In 'Green Blood' you eat part of green blooded skink's tail: Did that really not taste of anything? The green-blooded skink tail tasted slightly bitter but not making a habit of chewing on lizard tails I cannot comment as to whether that is normal for other skinks or peculiar to green-blooded skinks. It certainly did not taste as bad as I expected but I would not recommend skink-tail as a delicacy, tiny lizard, little tail, you would need a lot of them, a bit like 'lark's tongue in aspic'." Not a particularly relevant or meaningful post here but it always makes me wonder if people like this are making inside Crim jokes or if it's just a coincidence. Oh yeah...this is from the following website: http://www.markoshea.tv/faq/faq.html brad cook ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:26:35 -0700 From: Raymond RaupersJr Subject: Fripp doesn't belong in king Crimson There has been infantile attempts at qualifying Fripp's sampling of the waters, to abandon the responsibilities of a musician. Namely touring. The man has been shrinking from the experience, since he felt comfortable with ex-centrisity (The 60's). What is this infatuation with muscianship that allows "fans", (altruists), to go on and on, after being served compromise after compromise? If the object of their sacrifice, despises the audience and it's influence, and goes as far as to perform with it's back to the audience, the obvious has been stroked enough. It's neon heat disease. - Rockabilly Ray (Raymond J Raupers Jr) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:52:45 -0600 From: wviland Subject: Ovation Legend 1867 No Longer...... What will be the required guitar for the Guitar Craft sessions now that the Legend 1867 is no longer manufactured? The response from Ovation is the LX Series 1777LX is the replacement with a mid-depth body. The 1867 is the shallow body. Anyone have the heads up on this? I'm shopping and don't want to buy the wrong style in case I ever get a chance to attend the course. Thanks........ Wade L Viland Information Technology Manager Thin Film Technology Corporation tel: (507)625-8445 x 52 fax: (507)625-3523 http://www.thin-film.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:26:35 -0700 From: Subject: A few eBay items... Up now on eBay, for your delectation: * Sylvian / Fripp "Road To Graceland" tour booklet from 1993 * Hello magazine (1998) with 7-page spread of RF and Toyah at home * Book Of Saurday KC fanzine, 3 issues * (Bowie) Merry Xmas Mr Lawrence, Japan movie book Best wishes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:23:59 -0500 From: "Painter, Stephen" Subject: GIG REVIEW: CG3+2 at the School of Rock AND just a little info on Crimson's future. On Fri, 28 Jan 05, the California Guitar trio with Tony Levin and Pat Mastellotto played at the School of Rock in Downingtown, PA. Downingtown is a very small, average sort of town ten minutes away from my house, certainly not the place where one would expect the kind of musical brilliance that I had the pleasure of experiencing. The School of Rock band started the show. Comprised of high school age kids, they opened up with a blistering version of 21st Cent. Schizoid Man. The next song they played was a Zappa instrumental that I didn't recognize. Some of the performers changed and they played Indiscipline with a Japanese guitarist doing the vocals in Japanese. Interestingly, both solos were versions of Belew's solo. I never got a chance to ask why they didn't attempt a Frippian solo, but I think I know why. They followed up with another unrecognized-by-me Zappa instrumental with a young woman playing a smoking bass solo. The School of Rock band closed out with Elephant Talk - the kid who sang did a ripping version of the Belew elephant sounds. The bassist for this song (not the woman from the previous song - the School of Rock kept rotating in and out players - a nice touch) played the whole bass line via hammer-ons. Fripp's solo was also done virtually note-for-note with some hammer-on and whammy bar tricks thrown in. Overall, the School of Rock students were easily ten times better than I was when I was at my peak guitar skills some fifteen years ago. The California Guitar Trio with Pat and Tony came out and opened with Zudoko Bushi -- the song with the middle riff of Schizoid Man blended in. I am not as familiar with the CGT repetoire but songs they did do were Ghostriders of the Sky that segued into Riders on the Storm, Bach's Toccata and Fugue, Eve, Heaven's Bells, a song that was written for a documentary on mountain climbers, Yamanashi Blues, and Blockhead plus a surf tune or two thrown in for good measure. Paul Richards told how they collaborated with Jon Anderson (of Yes) on a concerto that he (Anderson) had written titled "Concerto for Four Guitars and Voice" that they (CG3 and Anderson) performed for the first time the week prior at NAMM. Paul joking referred it on this night as "Concerto for Four Guitars and Voice minus One Guitar and Voice". Paul Richards asked at one point if the School of Rock taught their students about the Mahavishnu Orchestra, after which they launched into a song off of Birds of Fire. The CG3 gave Tony and Pat a break and continued to play. Paul told a funny story about how Tony was offered a spot in the Mahavishnu Orchestra. Tony was living with his mother-in-law at the time but was out on tour when his mother-in-law got a call. An English gentleman (John McLaughlin) asked her to give a message to Tony. Tony's mother gave him the message -- that a "Murray Vishnu and his Orchestra" called. Apparently Tony never put two-and-two together and missed the opportunity. After Tony and Pat's break, they came out and played a mesmerizing and meditative piece that I think was Heaven's Bells. They ended the concert with a mind-blowing version of Yes' Heart Of The Sunrise, with Tony doing the bass with his funk fingers. As I was watching these five musicians play, I was struck that I am seeing musicians of the same caliber (in my opinion, an ever-so-slightly higher caliber) of Yes blasting and outrageous version of that song, in a small non-descript town ten minutes from my house. I thought that if Yes themselves were here performing the same piece, would it really be any better? That is no slight on Yes or their musicianship. I am just relating how, at that moment, for me personally, that musical experience was as good as it could get. Unless of course, Fripp came out. They came back for an encore of Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody that the audience sang along and closed out with Eve. It was an amazing experience to watch Tony and Pat play not more than twenty feet from me. After the concert, all of them stayed to autograph CDs and books. I gave Tony my original, bought-in-1984-on-the-Three-of-a-Perfect-Pair-tour, copy of Road Photos to sign. His eyes lit up and he told me that it was only sold on the ToaPP tour and he only has two copies of it himself. Pat saw it and was impressed as well. Pat told me that he saw a copy in a used bookstore but didn't have the money to buy it then. I asked Tony and Pat if Crimson was going to tour and they aren't sure. They are scheduled to practice again in the spring but aren't sure of what Fripp is going to do. I asked Pat what it is like working with Fripp. He said it is strange but that he is a sweet person. For instance, he told me that Fripp couldn't handle the crowd closeness and adulation that we were doing right there. Pat also gave me some insight into the friction between Bruford and Fripp which was20 interesting. I decided to cut my questions as to not seem like a over-obsessed fan (which I am!!!) and give others a chance to talk. On a side note, long time Philly natives know local DJ Ed Sciaky who died last year. Sciaky was instrumental to the breaking of Yes, Springsteen (who I personally can't stand), as well as other progressive acts in the 70s. Ed Sciaky's wife was at the show and got a round of applause. Overall, this concert was an amazing experience and I hope my description does it justice. Thanks to the Trio, Tony and Pat for providing me with a musical experience of absolute euphoria. Steve Painter ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1199 *********************************