Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1190 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1190 Sunday, 10 October 2004 Today's Topics: KCCC # 24 Lizard Suite Live Performance Neal and Jack & me eyes wide open overdubs 100 greatest progressive rock artists Pastoral Rock Re: Pastoral Rock Re: Lizard Suite Live Performance Re: Pastoral Rock Trey Gunn Gira Europea re Discipline era cover art Re: Pastoral Rock A Crimson-esque version of Monk's "Epistrophy"? ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send *all posts* to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com ** Posts intended for the newsletter should have a subject prefix of ETPOST ** Posts intended for an individual newsletter contributor should have a subject prefix of their ET 'Ticket Number', shown at ETxxxxx in their 'From:' line in the newsletter. 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If you'd like to donate to the upkeep of ET, please press the "Donate" button at ETWeb. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:25:21 -0400 From: Allan Okada Subject: KCCC # 24 Sadly...yes...all copies are the same. Likely that's all that exists on the original tape. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:23:25 -0400 From: Allan Okada Subject: Lizard Suite Live Performance I too am a fan of this record and regret that there were no live performances or recordings of that lineup before Gordon Haskell left (shortly followed by Andy McCulloch on drums). However the next incarnation with Boz Burrell and Ian Wallace regularly performed the tracks Cirkus and Lady of the Dancing Water, which can be heard on numerous bootlegs and the KCCC releases. I have a very hard to find recorded performance of Robert Fripp solo, performing Frippertronics on June 27, 1979 at the Kitchen in New York City. At one point he performs a good chunk of his solo from the Prince Rupert's Lament section of the Lizard Suite. It is unmistakable, although it may have been accidentally stumbled upon by Fripp while improvising and then he proceeded to act upon it spontaneously once he discovered that it worked well with the backing Frippertronics loop. No one present appears to have acknowledged it at the time (via applause), unlike his occasional performance of the main theme from "Starless", which was often recognized by the audiences. Aside from that little tidbit...I've never come across any other portion of that record performed by Fripp or Crimson. Al Okada ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 18:20:35 +0200 From: naji.chmayssani Subject: Neal and Jack & me Hi I have the same problem. Three of a perfect pair plays only in stereo while live at frejus plays both in 5.1 and stereo I got mine throiugh DGM by mail order. regards Naji ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 15:00:44 EDT From: Inturmoil Subject: eyes wide open overdubs First of all we are not all hippies, thank you very much. Secondly, the "overdub" in eyes wide open IS NOT an overdub. It is simply a poor video edit, morons. Don't worry about issues which require thought and just go on voting for the socialist of the day, as most of you assuredly do. Jason of The Mustard Seed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:27:09 -0700 From: Maxwell Borkenhagen Subject: 100 greatest progressive rock artists I recently came across this list of the 100 greatest progressive rock artists (http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_artistsprog.html) and was happy to see that crimso was placed first! just thought someone may find this interesting ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 21:02:36 +1000 From: Sam Yoshioka Subject: Pastoral Rock Hi John, The GGF track on the compilation is 'Thursday Morning - Album version'. Cheers Sam in Oz --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.771 / Virus Database: 518 - Release Date: 28/09/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 09:23:51 +0900 From: gordito1 Subject: Re: Pastoral Rock On ET 1189, John Relph writes about a Japanese compilation which features a track by Giles, Giles & Fripp. The track included is "Thursday Morning" (Album Version), according to the page John mensioned in his post. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 11:22:52 -0400 From: Gary Davis Subject: Re: Lizard Suite Live Performance At 05:26 PM 10/2/04 GMT, Sergio wrote: > >I am sorry if this particular subject has been asked/answered before. I >am a fan of the Lizard album and can=B4t quite understand why most KC >fans stay away from it. Now, I would really like to know if the second >part of the album, the Lizard suite, was ever played live by the band? >If so, are there recorded "documents" of the performance? > I don't know if this ever was performed live and I suspect it wasn't. However, after hearing Ian Wallace's new solo release - Happiness with Minimal Side Effects - it occurred to me that he has enough of a tenor range that he could quite capably handle Jon Anderson's vocal part in Prince Rupert Awakes. And I sent him an e-mail to encourage him to consider it. So as Ian is currently part of the 21st Century Schizoid band, who knows, perhaps someday the band will make the Lizard Suite part of their live repertoire. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 14:47:03 +0900 From: Takaaki Higuchi Subject: Re: Pastoral Rock In "et at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk (Elephant Talk)" on Sat, 02 Oct 2004 17:26:57 +0000 (GMT) wrote: > If you can read Japanese, please visit > > http://www.neowing.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=UICY-4108 > > and let me know what GGF track is included on the CD. In case if you have got no response... Thursday Morning regards, T.Higuchi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 22:51:04 +0200 From: Calvano produccions Subject: Trey Gunn Gira Europea Trey Gunn presents the Quodia Tour - October 2004 Opening Artist: Guillermo Cides This October, Trey Gunn and Joe Mendelson present their new project "Quodia" on Tour. The show is called The Arrow and it is a multimedia project where a combination of video and sound will transport us into a unique atmosphere full of animation, creativity and "Crimsonian" Universe's sound. Trey Gunn, member of King Crimson, has worked with David Sylvian, John Paul Jones (Led Zeppelin), Toni Childs, Robert Fripp, Vernon Reid among others. His particular sound and expertise with the strings make Gunn one of the most innovative musicians nowadays. Joe Mendelson is also a member of the Trey Gunn Band. His biggest influences are Peter Gabriel and Laurie Anderson. In the 80s, he released Fibre and Rise Robot, both of them experimental doses and Avant-Pop. Joe Mendelson, a real quality Video-Artist. For the opening of the shows Quodia presents Guillermo Cides, a renown Argentinean artist. Cides will perform his Stick Concert to whom Gunn considers "the best stickist I have ever seen". He participated in several concerts such as Jethro Tull, Rick Wakeman, Roger Hodgson, Emmerson, Lake & Palmer. For information, artists' video samples, ticket sales Official website for the event: http://perso.wanadoo.es/Conciertos/ QUODIA FALL TOUR Barcelona: October 22nd - 9:00 p.m. Luz de Gas, C/ Muntaner, 246 Madrid; October 23rd - 9:00 p.m. Galileo Galilei, C/ Galileo, 100 For more information: Calvano Produccions calvanoproduccions at yahoo dot es About Quodia: http://www.Quodia.net About Cides: http://www.StickCenter.com/Cides ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:56:26 +0100 From: Roger Shannon Subject: re Discipline era cover art Hi - a reply to Roderich von Detten, who asked if anyone knew what font was used: "good evening hippies, this is a question which has already been posted to this newsgroup by some colleagues years ago, but with no real success: does anybody know which font type is used on the discipline era cover artwork? the suggestions "ITC Fenice" & "Engraver's Gothic" are definitely wrong - any other idea ? thank you very much! best regards roderich" Well I have to say that ITC Fenice regular is the one I'd go for (talking about the LP version here). It's a Modern typeface on Discipline - that is a serif face with vertical strokes rather than Old Face or Transitional (eg Times) where the strokes are angled. The x-height - literally the height of a letter 'x' - is very large. The font as a whole is drawn quite condensed (narrow). The clincher for me is the lower case g, where the descender (the bit below the line) sticks out to the left, and the chiseled shape of the serifs (eg the curved piece of the lower case r). When I was at art college in the 80s we used to identify and draw typefaces, and one of our pastimes was doing this with album covers. Yes graphic designers really are that sad, but you have to remember this was before computers! But: 1 Peter Saville does have a tendency to design his own typefaces 2 The cut of Fenice available in 1980 may be different to the cut available today 3 The CD cover has been redesigned, and although I haven't got it, on first glance the typeface does look slightly different. I haven't got the CD, just the LP, so I can't comment on what it might be. It does look as if it might have been artificially condensed. So that's probably why Fenice has been suggested and also why you think it's wrong! Hope that helps Roger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:41:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Eaerth Subject: Re: Pastoral Rock > It appears that a Japanese compilation was released > in 2003 which > features a track by Giles, Giles & Fripp. > Unfortunately, I haven't > been able to figure out what track is included. > None of the websites > have the information in English... > > If you can read Japanese, please visit > > > http://www.neowing.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=UICY-4108 > > and let me know what GGF track is included on the > CD. > Thursday Morning (Album Version) ===== A comic: http://worldrim.tripod.com New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 00:56:24 -0500 From: Jim Banks Subject: A Crimson-esque version of Monk's "Epistrophy"? I have been on a frantic search for a piece of music that I (think I) recall hearing in the mid-'90s: Does anyone else remember a version of Thelonious Monk's "Epistrophy" recorded by a hipster jazz-rock group in the style of the mid-'70s King Crimson (specifically, like Larks Tongues in Aspic Pt. 2)? I remember hearing this piece, either as played for me by a friend or on NPR or somesuch, and thinking it was very funny, clever and well-executed. But I can't recall the name of the group. I thought it might be Medeski, Martin and Wood or the Bad Plus, but neither of those groups appears to have ever recorded "Epistrophy." Another group of that ilk, T.J. Kirk, has actually recorded the song in a style that progresses from lounge jazz to bluegrass, Django-swing, Zeppelin, funk and big chunks of quotations from '70s metal--but no Crimson. After searching all over the web and finding nothing, I'm sending this post in hopes that the song was not a figment of my imagination. --Jim Banks ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1190 *********************************