Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1188 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1188 Sunday, 19 September 2004 Today's Topics: FraKctured ringtone King Crimson Accurate Discography Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes Neal & Jack & Me Re: kc song KC SONG 3 Ii 2 "kc" song 3 ii 2 Barter Re: 3 ii 2 Re: What ever happened to the band FRACTAL? 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If you'd like to donate to the upkeep of ET, please press the "Donate" button at ETWeb. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 17:57:41 +0100 From: Webmaster at the FraKctured Zone Subject: FraKctured ringtone For anyone who has Ringtone Composer and a couple of minutes to spare, = here's the intro from FraKctured... 4#A2 4#F1 4C1 4C2 4#G1 4#A2 4#F1 4C1 4D2 4E1 4#A2 4#F1 4C1 4C2 4#G1 4D2 = 1C2 4#A2 4#F1 4C1 4C2 4#G1 4#A2 4#F1 4C1 4D2 4E1 4#A2 4#F1 4C1 4D2 4C2 = 4E2 1D2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:10:44 +0400 From: "Turusinov, Andrei S." Subject: King Crimson Accurate Discography Hi, ETers! My friend and I have discussed putting together an accurate discography of King Crimson many times over the last four years. The reason is that none of the many existing King Crimson discographies, both on paper and in the electronic form, can give you precise information about what is recorded on a certain release. This leads to the situation when it is impossible to figure out what people who discuss KC works talk, write or argue about. For example, John Relph`s discography of King Crimson, one generally considered to be the most complete and accurate (Robert Fripp including the works of King Crimson, The League of Gentlemen,A and The League of Crafty Guitarists, et al. Copyright 1990-2003 by John Relph), sometimes mentions 15 or 20 LPs released in different countries for one album title, but only lists information for one of these releases - without specifying which one. Inaccurate and incomplete lists of performers, instruments used, track lists, play time etc. It is IMPOSSIBLE to figure out by looking at the dateline what the differences are, for example, between LPs released in the UK and the US. Technically, there is an abundance of information, but for a collector and/or a researcher it is useless for all practical purposes. This especially applies to the albums released in the early years of KC, 1969-1974. Moreover, Relph "corrected" any errors (incorrect track times, typos, spelling mistakes in performers` names etc.) that allow to accurately identify a specific release, without any indication that such correction has been made. So, what you have is technically "complete", but ABSOLUTELY INACCURATE discography. So, please check our "King Crimson Accurate Discography" here: http://rezultat.atknet.ru/crimson/?162 Any comments, corrections, additions are welcome! Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:53:38 +0900 From: Motohiro Fukaya Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes In ET 1187, Joseph LeVie writes: >I think you mean Echoplex. Frip used to sit and play part 1 into his >Echoplex unit and let it repeat over and over adding new parts as it >went on. Similar to Chris Squire's The Fish. The Echoplex is a tape >device which is in a loop and can be lengthened or shortended. Echoplex is not the device used for Frippertronics. As you can see at ET FAQ, two reel-to-reel tape recorders are used to create the overlaying, loop effect. You can see a simple diagram for this system on the back cover of Eno's "Discreet Music". Using two reel-to-reel tape recorders, you can get much longer delay than Echoplex which only allowed up to 600ms. Another very important difference is that using Fripp's system, you automatically got the recording of your loop activitiy on tape at the end. With Echoplex you would need an extra tape recorder to do this. You can see a photo of Frippertronics at work inside the booklet for "Let The Power Fall" CD. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:20:31 -0700 (PDT) From: John Fortier Subject: Neal & Jack & Me Just got my DVD shipped from DGM(Great service by the way!), and it is excellent. I never saw the TOAPP video, so to see Fripp rocking out out in LTIAIII is great! Here is hoping they tour with TLev sooner rather than later! John Fortier ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:43:05 -0400 From: Mike Subject: Re: kc song The song in question, 3 ii 2, is from the 'Live At The Jazz Cafe' CD by ProjeKct One (Tony Levin, Trey Gunn, Bill Bruford and Robert Fripp). Cheers, Mike http://community.webtv.net/thedukeofprunes/ALLTHINGSCRIM/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:41:51 GMT From: scprintup Subject: KC SONG 3 Ii 2 In ET 1187, Mark J. Buszka inquired about a kc song 3Ii 2. This song is from ProjeKct One Live at the Jazz Cafe (Levin, Gunn, Bruford & Fripp) from the ProjeKcts box set. I think it is available by itself from DGM, if I remember correctly. The songs are a Steve Printup Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 19:07:48 -0400 From: Dave Subject: "kc" song 3 ii 2 Mark, This is actually a ProjeKct I piece, Live from The Jazz Cafe London Dec 1-4, '97. The first # is the day, the 2d # is the set and the 3d # is it's set position. Get thineself a copy! P2 live in Northampton (KCCC #17) and P3 Masque are some of my fav "Crim". cya! Dave > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:32:29 -0400 > From: Mark J. Buszka > Subject: kc song > > While listening to my satellite radio the other day, a King Crimson song > named 3 Ii 2, came on. Does anyone know where this came from? > > Mark J. Buszka ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:15:58 +0400 (MSD) From: Vladimir Kalnitsky Subject: Barter Hi ETers, If somebody has CD copies of the following KC albums: - The Young Person's Guide To King Crimson; - The Compact King Crimson; - The Essential King Crimson: Frame By Frame; - THRAK (24 bit remaster), I'll be very glad to barter them for something from my collection. Welcome to my web-site "IndoorGames - The Russificated King Crimson" http://indoor-games.narod.ru Crimsonly yours, Vlad Kalnitsky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 13:40:02 +0000 From: Carsten Collatz Subject: Re: 3 ii 2 > > >While listening to my satellite radio the other day, a King Crimson song >named 3 Ii 2, came on. Does anyone know where this came from? > >Mark J. Buszka > Hi Mark, the song 3 ii 2 has actually been performed by ProjeKct One, which was Tony Levin. Trey Gunn, Bill Bruford, and Robert Fripp, on December 3, 1997, in the Jazz Cafe in London. It is on the disc Live at the Jazz Cafe, which is part of the ProjeKcts CD Box. The title 3 ii 2 refers to the third performance (they played 4 nights), second set, second song. Cheers, Carsten ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 13:49:49 -0500 From: "Mallonee, James" Subject: Re: What ever happened to the band FRACTAL? Rex Fermier wrote: A while back, someone in this fine newsletter turned me on to a band called FRACTAL. I downloaded some of their music from www.music.download.com and was impressed. Definate Fripp influence. I tried to find their web site but is isn't there anymore. I am interested in finding their CD continuum. If anyone has a clue to spare, please let me know the whereabouts of this band and its web site. Thanks, Rex Thank you for asking, Rex! :-). And thank you for the complimentary words. Fractal is alive and well - we've just had some "technical" problems with our website (http://www.fractal-continuum.com), which are now resolved. We are hard at work on new songs for our second album, as well as rehearsing in preparation for our first concert to include our fourth musician, Josh Friedman on guitar and vocals, coming up in Fullerton, California (LA/Orange County area) on September 29th at Steamers Jazz Club. October 2nd we will be playing in Mountain View, CA. Details can be found on our site. In addition to sound snippets on our site, The free downloads Rex mentions can be found at the following sites: Download.com: http://music.download.com/fractalcontinuum/3600-8627_32-100343884.html?tag=l ist Amazon.com: http://artist.amazon.com/fractal Cheers, Nic, Jim, Paul, & Josh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 12:21:13 +0100 From: Darren Peace Subject: Seeking TPTB Tour Box I'm having difficulty locating a copy of the "Power To Believe" Tour Box; being based in the UK, together with KC's reluctance to perform here, means that I was unable to buy one at a concert. DGM told me a while back that any remaining copies would be made available via the DGM shop. None have so far surfaced there, and eBay remains resistant to my searches. I'd be very grateful if anyone here was able to point me in the right direction; the Tour Box would sit nicely alongside my "Thrak" tin. If you have any leads, I'd appreciate an off-list email. Thanks. Darren Peace dpeace at bigfoot dot com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:14:53 +0200 From: Claas Kazzer Subject: David Cross & Shock Headed Peters >I've been a fan of the band Shock Headed Peters featuring Karl Blake >(ex-Lemon Kittens) for a long time, and have recently been re-buying >via eBay some old records that I foolishly sold a long time ago. Just >got 'Life Extinguisher' (Beach Culture Records 1986), and on 2 of the >tracks someone called David Cross plays violin. Not only that but it >does sound remarkably like the David Cross that played in KC, >particularly the Vaughan-Williamsesque melodies (a contentious term >these days I know) on 'Scorch', but also it does sound very much like >him on 'Son of Thumbs of a Murderer'. Wondering if anyone can shed any >light on this release? Shock Headed Peters have been cruelly >under-rated and under documented, so there is no information on that >front. Hi Roger, hi everybody, you're right there -- as far as I know it is the same David Cross. Cross also plays on Danielle Dax's (the other ex-Lemon Kitten) "Blast the Human Flower", which like most of her albums features Karl Blake and David Knight of the Shock Headed Peters. [The Danielle Dax who of course has also been working with Robert Fripp, doing two of his most beautiful record covers for "League of Gentlemen" (where she also add's to "Minor Man") and "Let the Power Fall".] And I must agree -- all three, Dax, Knight, and Blake are cruelley underrated. Cheers, Claas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:08:37 +0100 From: Tim Pickard Subject: David Cross & Shock Headed Peters The David Cross on 'Life Extinguisher' (Beach Culture Records 1986) is definately the KC David Cross, I got this from the man himself some years ago after a performance by the David Cross band. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 05:03:20 -0700 (PDT) From: PEDRO CAMPILLO Subject: David Cross & Shock Headed Peters Hi, Of course is David Cross from King Crimson. He appeared in the EP 'Life Extinguisher' from Shock Headed Peters, as you say Edited by Beach Culture in 1986. As you can see on his webpage: http://members.aol.com/noisynoisy/noisyrecords/disc.html Best regards The Winkler ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:59:05 -0400 From: Bob Bennett Subject: Japanese Laser Disc of Fripp/Sylvain Concert Hello All: I have a Japanese laser disc of the Fripp/Sylvain concert at the Nakano Sunplaza, October 26, 1993, for sale. Anyone interested, please contact me at bennyb at i2k dot net. Thanks, Bob P.S. Did anyone attend this years Bonnaroo Music Festival? Adrian played with Les Claypool's Primus. Great surprise and great performance. ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1188 *********************************