Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1178 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1178 Saturday, 26 June 2004 Today's Topics: G3 update Re: Robert as Singer? CORRECTION: Fractal Expansion - Free Song Downloads - CD Promo Robert as singer Raising the ghost of ET Re: Haaden Two Re: Help me find this band Re: Haaden Two Re: Help me find this band KC album with live Starless Fripp the diva ? 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If you'd like to donate to the upkeep of ET, please press the "Donate" button at ETWeb. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:40:46 +0100 From: Roger Shannon Subject: G3 update Hi, as an update on the European dates which Dave had been reading about, seems that Glasgow gave everyone a warm welcome. Check out http://vai.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5790 Just hoping that the crowd in Bournemouth is open minded on Sunday! And that the usually excruciating sound at the BIC doesn't make the entire event unlistenable. cheers Roger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:08:39 -0400 From: Randall.Hammill Subject: Re: Robert as Singer? ******************** Richard Rees-Jones wrote: "I was wondering if Robert Fripp has ever sung in public, either live or on record?" Well Richard, if you have the remastered Three Of A Perfect Pair, one of the bonus tracks is The King Crimson Barbershop Quartet, and Robert sings on it, albeit known as "Bobby"!! ********************** Actually, Tony sings all four parts of the Barbershop Quartet, it was a little joke of his for the band. Robert does 'sing' at the end of the 'Happy...' EP. During the bonus track you can hear him just before he says, 'It was horrible.' Also, I think he might have 'sung' the melody of 'Starless' on the 'Careful with that Axe' video during the interview. I don't recall whether he did or not, honestly. Great stuff, though. Randy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:03:13 -0500 From: Nadim S. Haque Subject: CORRECTION: Fractal Expansion - Free Song Downloads - CD Promo Two newsletters ago, Nic Roozeboom of Fractal posted an announcement about the band's current activities and upcoming album. Unfortunately, the paragraphs in the post were truncated after 260-or-so characters each. Here is the full post with all paragraphs intact. Sorry, Nic; I hope this makes up for it. :) >From: Nic Roozeboom, Fractal >CORRECTION: Fractal Expansion - Free Song Downloads - CD Promo Dear ET readers, I wanted to share with you a few newsbits about Fractal, the band of which I am part (in great deal thanks to ET... it was a post on this very forum that brought us together): First of all, we have grown personnel-wise from a trio to a quartet. We're thrilled to include a fourth musician, Josh Friedman, on guitar, vocals and other means to the end. Josh will soon be prominently featured on stage, and we've already started rehearsals toward recordings for our next album. More on Josh (and us in general) on our website. Second, we've made available two of our favorite live tracks, Pastorial Synthony and Friptomoogosity (previously unreleased), for free download in their splendid entirety on Amazon.com * http://artist.amazon.com/fractal *, as well as an mp3 of our only radio-friendly single Rave7. Now, one of these tracks may contain an obscure yet discretely audible musical Crimson reference (hint: it's in the music, not the title). We want to present the first person to identify it correctly (via email to: info at fractal-continuum dot com, subject: "ET promo") with a free copy of our CD Continuum. You're cordially welcomed to check out our website for more information, including a collection of the very nice reviews our album Continuum is receiving all around the world. Thanks for reading, All the best, Nic -- http://www.fractal-continuum.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:57:00 -0400 From: KBrown Subject: Robert as singer In newsletter 1177 Bryce responded to the question of whether Mr. Fripp has sung with: Well Richard, if you have the remastered Three Of A Perfect Pair, one of the bonus tracks is The King Crimson Barbershop Quartet, and Robert sings on it, albeit known as "Bobby"! I believe Mr. Levin did all the voices on this little ditty. That according the box set on which it originally appeared. (or I should say I originally heard it on, since it might have appeared somewhere else first) Keep the Faith (in the Music) Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:38:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Raymond Raupers Subject: Raising the ghost of ET I remember when ET was a vibrant entity before the British nanny censorship that reduced it. I remember when people like the Mustard Seed Florist would read my words and ask me if I'd read Ayn Rand's works, which subsequently changed my life forever. When the CDR debates would stir the savage hypocritical soul of Fripp to write me up as a basement dweller in his diary. When commenting on Adrian Belew's Larry Fine hair-do was not blasphemy. When ETr's minced words with the ghost of Jack Kerouac. When ET was a great place for savage complete minds. When madmen cared if their posts furthered the reality that Elephant-Talk was a construct of Adrian Belew's breath and lyrical ranting eloquence. But now we get Fripp sitting front stage at concerts with his back to the audience. And some bloody English impotent censorship on ET that won't allow us to post our mindset on ET. I dream of the day Adrian walks away from King Crimson singing aloud ..."For The Benefit of Mr Kite".... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:18:05 +0100 From: Richard Heath Subject: Re: Haaden Two If memory serves, the backwards phrase is "One thing is for sure: the = sheep is not a creature of the air" and comes from a Monty Python sketch = involving the catapulting of said creatures. Presumably used as a joke = at the expense of all those who rush to play it backwards in order to = discover the deep and meaningful hidden message. Also Bryce, on the subject of Fripp singing/the King Crimson Barber Shop = - I thought I had read somewhere that all the parts on that track were = actually done by Tony Levin? Richard Heath ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:20:01 -0700 (MST) From: Chris Heckman Subject: Re: Help me find this band Reid Black wrote: > A while ago I read an article about a band made up of sisters and/or > brothers who were forced to practice and record by their parents. The end > result was one that was so bad that it was good. I can't remember their > name anymore so I thought I'd ask a bunch of music listeners with great > taste if they know anything about it. The Rolling Stones? (Just kidding.) Maybe you mean The Shaggs, made up of three sisters. They recorded two albums, _Philosophy of the World_ and _Shaggs' Own Thing_ in 1969 and 1975. Described as "two guitars and drums, all of them out of tune", the studio engineer suggested to their father that they learn how to play first. (I'm getting all this information out of _The Words Rock n' Roll Records of All Time_, by Guterman and O'Donnell, btw.). -- Christopher "HeKcman" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:14:15 -0700 (MST) From: Chris Heckman Subject: Re: Haaden Two Bryce Sutherland asked about "Haaden Two". Read all about it here: (the FAQ is your FRIEND 8-) ). http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq/faq4.htm#q33 Also, the speaker is Graham Chapman; I'm sure this is listed elsewhere. -- Christopher "HeKcman" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:09:38 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: David J.Iley Subject: Re: Help me find this band >Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:15:26 -0700 >From: Reid Black >Subject: Help me find this band. >Hey ETer's >A while ago I read an article about a band made up of sisters and/or >brothers who were forced to practice and record by their parents. The end >result was one that was so bad that it was good. I can't remember their >name anymore so I thought I'd ask a bunch of music listeners with great >taste if they know anything about it. > >Reid I believe you are referring to The Shaggs. http://www.theshaggsonline.com http://www.theshaggsmusical.com Hope this helps! -dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:17:31 -0400 From: drg55 Subject: KC album with live Starless I think read a review that there was a special cd for members of KC fan club or such that had a live version of Starless that was fantastic. The sound quality was not so flash. I have been listening to Earthbound recently which was apparently recorded o http://members.aol.com/kingcrimsonlive/kclive32.htm lists several cds with live versions but I haven't had any joy finding where they can be obtained. (preferably not to expensive) Any ideas? David. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:34:01 +0800 From: Julien Perriard Subject: Fripp the diva ? Two or three ETs ago, someone asked about Robert Fripp as a singer. I own two CDs on which you can hear Fripp singing. Here we go: 1. King Crimson / Happy with what you have to be happy with. On track 10, from 3:36 to 3:40, you can enjoy Robert Fripp's deep and soulful voice as he sings a short guitar line in the studio. Those four seconds are the most enjoyable part of the EP. 2. Fripp Unplugged. On disc 4 of this 6 CD set (consisting of talks with members of the audience after Soundscape shows in 1997 and 1998), on track 8, at 5:48, and lasting approximately four seconds, you can hear an impromptu version of the Peter Gabriel song "Games Without Frontiers". Robert sings the line "jeux sans frontieres" and I have to admit I wonder why he wasn't chosen in the first place for the album recording instead of Kate Bush (if that had been the case, he could have sung Don't Give Up with Peter as well - and been featured in the video). This small performance almost brought tears to my eyes and is worth the price of the 6CD set alone. One more thing: Tony Levin is singing the four parts in The King Crimson Barbershop Quartet himself. I'm sure that someone out there knows of other bits of records on which you can hear Fripp singing.$B#A(BCDcompilation of those precious moments could be assembled by an enthusiast and then made widely available to the fans (one copy at a time through eBay for example). Best regards, Julien ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:32:47 +0200 From: Mats Carlsson Subject: GIG REVIEW: G3-audience boo at Fripp Went to see G3 in Gothenburg Sweden. The main reason was of course Fripp but I have some respect for the others, especially mr. Vai. I wasn't aware of what kind of performance Fripp would choose. When Fripp starts his soundscape I think it will last for 10-15 minutes and a band will enter the stage but no. He conitues and some unresteness among the audience is obvious. Some are booing, some chating, wandering around or whatever but most of them are unintersted in the performance. Obviously it was far worse in Holland some days before but if you read the comments from fans on the Stev Vai home site almost everyone are condemning the behaviour of these people. However one guy hit the target and wrote: I can't believe he's opting to do soundscapes for 40 f^ckin minutes. Does he not have a band that he can perform with? If not, that's pretty stupid considering all of the material he could draw from in his back catalogue (King Crimson, solo stuff etc) that could be used for performance. How sad... Another one writes: I think he is a bit of a mismatch for what the average rocker going to G3 is expecting, but it's piss poor to boo. We who are devoted fans gladly pays to se a concert by Fripp playing soundscapes but imagining the rockers who are prepared for some virtouso fast picking on highly disted guitars. How smart was it by Fripp to choose this set...or by Satch to choose Fripp when he new what would be on his repertory. This guy refuses to do "greatest hits shows", but a wise general chooses out of his strategy where to fight his battle. Obviously Fripp chose the wrong battlefield or strategy. Make your own choice. Never give the people what they want. It's to easy of course. //Mats Carlsson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:46:03 +0100 From: Alan Gent Subject: GIG REVIEW: G3, Manchester As you know RF is touring with fellow axe men Steve Vai and Joe Satriani. The gig in Manchester was at the Apollo and Fripp opened. The theatre was half empty, possibly because the gig started on time. In their defence, the people in the bar still hoping for an England victory, probably thought that the cleaners were doing a sound check, but no this was Frippertronics at its finest. What do I mean by that? Well, frustrating, confusing and dare I paraphrase The Office? OK, one word, two syllables, TEDIOUS. The guy sat at the back shrouded in a soft downlight, feeding everything through a delay loop machine. So his hands were barely moving (IS arthritis setting in?) and most people found themselves staring at the oil slides on the big projection screen. Don't get me wrong, I like ambient, to listen to. But no one ever said that it makes for great "live". And he lost the audience. People started talking, one guy got a text message to say that England were 1-0 up so he passed that round the 1st 6 rows and a North American Indian next to me lit a small fire and started sending messages to his brother who, for some reason, could only get a seat in row I in the circle. (OK, I made the last bit up). The crowning glory was after about 25 minutes which tested even my patience (and I've just finished listening to all my KC albums) he simply stood up and walked off, leaving the final delayed loop to end the set with him not even on stage. After that Vai was like a breath of fresh air and developed real rapport with his audience. Well he is one of Frank's Old Boys let's face it, so he knows the value of entertainment. He started off playing a TRIPLE neck guitar, which the roadie brought on with a small fork lift truck. After that we were treated some good old showboating with conventional guitars plus 2 other guitarists and a bassist. Good Stuff. And Joe, well the 15 year olds loved him although they would insist on standing from the outset, which makes for a long evening when you're 54 and 5' 7". The acme of this set was when Joe said "and here's another new one" which sounded just like the last one. But then I stopped listening to him some time ago. In summary? If you're going to this just to see RF, save your money. Alan www.alangent.com ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1178 *********************************