Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1176 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1176 Sunday, 6 June 2004 Today's Topics: NEWS: California Guitar Trio DVD & Update NEWS: Looking for a Gigmaster/Gigmistress 21st Century Schizoid band--Having your cake and eating it too Supersilent RF Diary Schizoid Band Tour Re: 21st CENTURY SCHIZOID MAN Re: Suggestions on how to get Fripp's sound? Bears DVD Review of Andrew Keeling's Musical Guide of In the Wake of Poseidon King Crimson - 7th Incarnation Line-up The Noise and Three of a Perfect Pair on DVD? Re: Black & White pictures Robert's guitars ET mentioned in BassGuitar magazine Fractal Expansion - Free song downloads - CD Promo cd trade Robert as singer? 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If you'd like to donate to the upkeep of ET, please press the "Donate" button at ETWeb. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 18:08:00 -0600 From: Bert Lams Subject: NEWS: California Guitar Trio DVD & Update Hello to everyone on the ET List! California Guitar Trio have been very busy and thankfully it is not letting up anytime soon. CGT's new CD entitled "Whitewater" will be released by Inside Out by the end of August. It is produced by Tony Levin, and features mostly new original pieces. "Whitewater" was recorded in March near Woodstock, New York with the help of sound engineer Tom Mark. Some photos from the sessions can be seen here: http://terabear.com/cgt/pix/instudio2004/ It is by far our best sounding CD yet: We played Martin guitars, using mostly microphone signal and recorded on 2 inch analog tape. The new CD will be available to purchase from our website and from your local record store in late August. We will be touring heavily in the fall to support this new release. Our current schedule is posted. If you'd like to find out if we will be playing in your town please check the updates on our tour page here: http://www.cgtrio.com/tour.htm. It is updated regularly. Bert is currently working on a Bach repertoire: transcriptions of Cello Preludes and Violin Partita's on the steel string guitar. Bert will perform the program in June and record a solo CD in July. Concert dates will be posted on his diary soon. Also in the works is a CGT Japan site to provide better communications with our friends and fans in Japan. Look for it later in 2004! Our biggest news involves our new DVD. "Following the Music" is a one-hour documentary filmed by Scott Lambson. It explores the history and background of the CGT with live footage and interviews with Paul, Bert and Hideyo, and follows the CGT on tour. In addition to the documentary, we selected an hour of bonus footage from concerts around the world: Tokyo 1996 (an opening act for King Crimson), a medieval church in Norway 2000, Quebec Summer Festival 2003, London 2003, and several others. "Following the Music" will be released on June 14, and is available on our website only. We are currently accepting pre orders. Please order your copy today by visiting CGT Direct at http://cgtrio.com/dvd2004.htm best wishes, Bert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 19:54:16 -0500 From: Nadim S. Haque Subject: NEWS: Looking for a Gigmaster/Gigmistress Hello! You may remember me from last year as the new ET webmaster. Since then, I've kind of fallen off the face of the Earth because of my studies. This has inevitably affected the update frequency of ET Web, which I'm very sorry for, and I promise to be good and update things more frequently from now on! :) However, because of my shortness of spare time, I'm looking for someone with commitment to keep track of upcoming live shows of King Crimson, KC alumni and related bands, enter them into our system, upload the new files to the web server and promote them. (Well, the last item on that list is more of an incidental feature of publishing tour dates anyway.) Good candidates should have commitment, perseverance in research of tour dates and time to update already posted tour dates in case they change. If you are interested, please send me an e-mail stating such at webmaster at elephant-talk dot com (please make sure to give your e-mail a meaningful subject line; you won't believe how much spam and virus e-mails I get on that account, but you also don't want me to accidentally delete your mail...). I'll give this a little time so that everyone interested can think about it and e-mail me (let's make the deadline two weeks after the date this ET issue came out) and pick up the game from there. Cheers! Nadim Occasional ET Webmaster ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 01:21:13 -0700 From: David&Pamela Subject: 21st Century Schizoid band--Having your cake and eating it too We managed to catch 21 CSB two nights in a row--at the Key Club in LA and then at the Coach House in San Juan Capistrano. Although equipment problems seemed to throw the boys off initially at the Key Club, they rallied, and ended up giving extraordinary performances both nights. Although the focus of the performances was classic Crim from the first four albums (plus the song 'Starless' from Red, presumably because Collins played on it), they did two recent songs, once by McDonald/SInfield, the other by Jakko. The new material is great--kind of what might have come out of Crimson itself had they not gone down the Discipline road. Jakko himself is amazing, in a league with Belew in terms of being able to sing while performing all manner of guitar stunts. Virtuoso work turned in by all: rock-solid bass from Giles, stunning solos from Collins and McDonald, and Ian Wallace just keeps getting better. The show was very true to the spirit and feel of the original material, but delivered more powerfully than ever before. I admit I went to the show with some trepidation, afraid I'd be disappointed--that despite the fact that the group is composed of former KCers, that it would have the feel of a tribute band. I couldn't have been more wrong; these guys ARE Crimson, in a very real sense of the word.=20 What a marvelous situation--two incarnations of Crim alive at once, almost as if they exist in parallel universes. I'm anxiously awaiting the output from the new Nashville sessions of KC--the Fripp-Belew-Levin-Mastelotto configuration; but I'm equally looking forward to new material from 21 CSB, and to another tour. If you didn't see these guys, then, when you get a chance, do. A stunning, inspiring show. S Bear ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 11:02:24 +0800 From: Julien Perriard Subject: Supersilent Hello Elephant Talk readers, If I am not mistaken (I just performed a search in the Et archive and got no result), the Norwegian band Supersilent has never been mentioned yet in one of these digests. It's a shame, because I feel that a lot of people who have been enjoying the ProjeKcts - or King Crimson's improvisational side in general - would be thrilled to listen to this band. They have released four albums so far, all of them simply numbered (like Peter Gabriel for instance, except that the numbers actually appear on the covers). The first album is a three-disc set (named "1-3"), the second album is called "4" and so on. You may find more information about the band on its label's website : www.runegrammofon.com (distributed through the same channels as ECM). In fact, most of the Rune Grammofon releases that I've been listening to so far (about half of them) are really excellent. Some of them are closer to electronic music, others to contemporary classical, "musique concrete" or even jazz. Last year's compilation "Money will ruin everything" is a good way to get to know the different artists. In fact, Supersilent is quite a "difficult" band (especially on their first release). Lots of electronic sounds, trumpet, occasional guitar, drums (if you miss the "real drum" sound, there it is, sometimes mixed with electronic beats). Supersilent's latest album "6" is quieter than the others and contains some truly beautiful and amazing music. Maybe it's easier to start with this one. Well... the abovementioned website sums it up better than me : "More than ever it appears clear that their music lives in a no man's land between the genres, somewhere between rock, electronica, jazz and modern composition. As with all their recordings and live performances, everything here is improvised. That most of the music on "6" appears to be written or at least arranged, is testament to the high, almost telepatic level they work at . Needless to say, there are no overdubs. Often being labelled jazz because of the improvising aspect of the music and the fact that three of the members come from a jazz background, with "6" they are just as likely to attract followers of bands such as Goodspeed You! Black Emperor, Sigur Ros, King Crimson, (late) Talk Talk or Popol Vuh." Enjoy! Julien ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 14:30:42 -0600 From: Dave Steimling Subject: RF Diary Is there someone out there archiving RF's diary? I usually keep up with it, but I've missed a few sections recently that are no longer posted and was wondering if I might be able to pick someone's archive for them. Please respond off list. Much appreciated Dave "Talking about Music is like whistling about chickens!" - AB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 13:32:17 -0700 From: sdavmor Subject: Schizoid Band Tour Michael O'Connor asked about the 21CSB DVD. It is from the last Japanese date in 2002. It can be purchased directly from the 21CSB web-site: I saw them in Los Angeles, and had a blast. A great show at The Key Club with a very enthusiastic and noisy crowd. -- Cheers, SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man internet music project: NP: nothing ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 17:38:24 -0400 From: Mike Subject: Re: 21st CENTURY SCHIZOID MAN The CD is Schizoid Man, which features five versions of 21st Century Schizoid Man; an edited version, the original album version, a live version from 1969, the Earthbound version, and the USA version. Cheers, Mike http://community.webtv.net/thedukeofprunes/ALLTHINGSCRIM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 17:25:05 -0400 From: Dan Cooper Subject: Re: Suggestions on how to get Fripp's sound? Guitargeek.com has the following equipment set-up from 1997: http://guitargeek.com/rigview/396/ Now, you're on your own as far as re-creating his style, which has more to do with his sound than his gear. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 11:01:45 -0400 From: Gary Davis Subject: Bears DVD Hi, folks: The latest Artist Shop Newsletter is out and you'll find it in its entirety at . Here's some news for Adrian Belew fans. Available now from Adrian Belew Presents/Strugglebaby The Bears/Live at the Club Cafe ....DVD NTSC region 0 The Bears recorded this DVD live at Club Cafe, an intimate and wired nightclub located in Pittsburgh, PA.=A0 Members of The Bears (Adrian Belew, Rob Fetters, Chris Arduser and Bob Nsywonger) chose Club Cafe during their sold-out Car Caught Fire tour as the venue of choice to record the band's first live DVD.=A0 Songs from the DVD include many of their fans favorite songs from the CD Car Caught Fire as well as their first two releases Rise and Shine and The Bears. The DVD also features a cover of King Crimsons 'Red.'=A0 The DVD features over 90 minutes of live concert footage in 5.1 Dolby surround sound, as well as intimate interviews with each member of the band talking about their history and song writing. Fans will also enjoy a special private tour of Adrian Belew's recording studio Studio Belew, located in Nashville.=A0 In total, the DVD contains over 3 hours of concert and interview footage that will provide high quality entertainment value for Bear fans and rock fans alike. I've seen the DVD and can say that it's a great performance and a high quality video. Adrian fans will definitely appreciate it! For Tony Levin fans, he appears on a new album by Rachel Z with whom he's performed in Peter Gabriel's band. The album, Everlasting, seems to be the traditional piano/bass/drums jazz format, but includes jazz renditions of songs by King Crimson, Peter Gabriel, Sting, Beatles, Stone, etc. You can check it out on my Ryko page at . Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Artist Shop Radio Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 20:29:15 +0000 From: Carsten Collatz Subject: Review of Andrew Keeling's Musical Guide of In the Wake of Poseidon Hello, for all interested in the background of the earlier works of King Crimson, here is a review of Andrew Keeling's Musical Guide of ITWOP. The musical guide provides a lot of insight into the musical structure of the album, the story behind its coming into existence, and, most importantly, the symbolic meanings behind. Similar to his guide to Larks' Tongues in Aspic, there is a long text section by Andrew Keeling, linking the symbolic side of the album, represented by the 12 archetypes of the picture by Tammo de Jongh and by the balance between masculine and feminine principles, to the musical elements used. The text is nicely presented using varying parts of the cover picture as background. It includes several pictures of the band, and a musical analysis of every individual piece, putting the main emphasis on the title song. There are specific musical sections that are represented as a score excerpt and can be played on mouse-click (the voice parts here sound a little too artificial). References are made to musical influences (such as Gustav Holst's Mars), to contemporary bands, and to other King Crimson albums. Very interesting for me was e.g. the analysis of the word painting used by Fripp on the title song to illustrate text sections such as "scratch faith on nameless graves", a detailed analysis of Michael Giles' drumming on the title song, the musical references used in the 3rd section of The Devil's Triangle, and comparisons made between Cat Food and Cirkus and of course between the album's structure and the ones of "21st Century Schizoid Man" and "The Power to Believe". An analysis of the common motivic cells employed shows the unity of the album. The title song is presented as a full score for replaying and reading along. However, going beyond what was provided for Larks' Tongues in Aspic, there are several extra features: - a string quartet by Robert Fripp, from which the "Peace" parts of the album were derived, played by Mr. McFall's Chamber and including the score - a detailed description of the 12 archetypes that can be seen on the cover according to the philosophy of the painter, Tammo de Jongh, with references to the text of Peter Sinfield This part is especially well presented and illustrated (by Mark Graham). - a performance of the title song with a display of the referenced architecture and an essay of Neil Ingram providing the gist of the ideas behind (I had some problems in starting this from the CD - it worked from Internet explorer by opening the "Poseidon" html file directly from the CD). This one I like particularly, it is a great illustration of the song. - a link to Richard Gardner's "Purpose of Love" on www.songsouponsea.com Overall, I have spent several interesting hours with the CD and got a lot of insight into this particular work. At times the enthusiasm of Andrew Keeling for ITWOP seemed somewhat pathetic, but, after all, to me this is also a very special music. I can recommend the guide to anyone interested in that phase of King Crimson. What makes "In the Wake of Poseidon" so special to me is that, when I was about 10, 11 years old, I heard a piece of music in the stereo of my parents that struck me by its grandeur and beauty, and was completely different from Sweet, Slade, and the likes that I was usually listening too at the time. The radio announcer (KC got some radio play in the early seventies, obviously) gave the name of the piece, and it was "In the Wake of Poseidon". It had made such an impact on me that some 4 years later, when I was starting to buy LPs, ITWOP was one of the first ones I purchased, although I couldn't really convince any of my friends of its qualities. It was great, with Andrew Keeling's guide, to go back to the music now and to rediscover it with a lot more background and hindsight. Cheers, Carsten Collatz Berlin, Germany ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 19:09:52 -0400 From: dwool Subject: King Crimson - 7th Incarnation Line-up As most of you probably already know, the 7th line-up of King Crimson is: - Robert Fripp - Adrian Belew - Tony Levin (YES! HE'S BACK!) - Pat Mastelotto If anyone missed it, Tony Levin has photos of the March 2004 rehearsals in Nashville at Adrian's studio. If you check out the photos at the bottom there is a whiteboard where Robert and Adrian are writing the setlist out. (Mostly 80's Crimson material!) http://www.papabear.com/crimmarch04.htm I am VERY excited about this lineup as my favourite incarnation has always been the 80's Crimson and can't wait to FINALLY see Crimson live with Tony Levin! I think we could have some incredible music coming out of this group - I'm freaking about it! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 23:16:53 -0400 From: dwool Subject: The Noise and Three of a Perfect Pair on DVD? Does anyone know if DGM plan on releasing either of these on DVD? With Tony Levin back in the band and the guy's playing 80's material on the new tour it would be a great time to remaster these and put them on one DVD! (And add the promo videos for "Sleepless", "Heartbeat", etc. as Special Features/Easter Eggs!) Donal dwool at eol dot ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 05:06:50 -0700 (PDT) From: russell Subject: Re: Black & White pictures Recent info on this has been well-intentioned but slightly misguided, so just to set the record straight... PAL and NTSC are standards for encoding colour onto an analogue TV signal - so actually it is kind of strange that a DVD can be either PAL or NTSC, since DVD is obviously a digital medium. A DVD always encodes its colour information using MPEG, which is neither PAL nor NTSC! What actually happens (roughly speaking - please don't come back to me with pedantic points about the actual lines used, etc) is that a "PAL" DVD contains MPEG video with a picture size of 625 lines, at 25 frames/sec. An "NTSC" DVD contains MPEG video with a picture size of 525 lines, at 30 frames/sec. The player itself converts the digital signal to analogue, so in the UK the player should output a PAL-encoded signal to match the TVs we have here. And in the USA the player should output an NTSC-encoded signal to match the TVs you have there. The player is always doing MPEG to NTSC or PAL conversion... regardless of the type of disc. What the player doesn't do is convert the frame rate or number of lines. So we have the following combinations possible: NTSC disk on N.American player: NTSC, 525 lines, 25 frames/s PAL disk on N.American player: NTSC, 625 lines, 30 frames/s NTSC disk on UK player: PAL, 525 lines, 25 frames/s (*) PAL disk on UK player: PAL, 626 lines, 30 frames/s (*) is the case that some people are having problems with on King Crimson disks. All modern TVs in all countries are quite capable of handling a range of frame rates and scan lines, but older TVs may struggle (typically producing a "rolling" picture). Hence - in the UK if an NTSC disk produces a B&W picture, then the problem is more likely to be with the player than the TV. This can be a problem with some cheaper players. Get a Pioneer :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 00:57:12 +0200 From: Sindri Eydal Subject: Robert's guitars Hi! Does anyone know what model is pictured on these pictures? http://www.tonylevin.com/crimmarch04.htm It's not a Gibson and it's not a Fernandes. Cheers, Sindri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 22:31:25 -0700 (MST) From: Chris Heckman Subject: ET mentioned in BassGuitar magazine In the June/July 2004 issue of "Bass Guitar", there is a transcription of "Red" by KC. The performance notes run 2/3 of the page, and include the following, about who is playing the bass during the bridge: "According to the highly respected Crimson website Elephant Talk (elephant-talk.com), 'John Wetton has stated publicly that [the part] was performed by Marc Charig on a bass cello.' " They didn't quite get the URL right, but like they say, any publicity is good, as long as they spell your name correctly. -- Christopher "HeKcman" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 20:15:43 +0000 From: NicRoozeboom Subject: Fractal Expansion - Free song downloads - CD Promo Dear ET readers, I wanted to share with you a few newsbits about Fractal, the band of which I am part (in great deal thanks to ET... it was a post on this very forum that brought us together): First of all, we have grown personnel-wise from a trio to a quartet. We're thrilled to include a fourth musician, Josh Friedman, on guitar, vocals and other means to the end. Josh will soon be prominently featured on stage, and we've already started rehea Second, we've made available two of our favorite live tracks, Pastorial Synthony and Friptomoogosity (previously unreleased), for free download in their splendid entirety on Amazon.com * http://artist.amazon.com/fractal *, as well as an mp3 of our only ra Now, one of these tracks may contain an obscure yet discretely audible musical Crimson reference (hint: it's in the music, not the title). We want to present the first person to identify it correctly (via email to: info at fractal-continuum dot com, subje You're cordially welcomed to check out our website for more information, including a collection of the very nice reviews our album Continuum is receiving all around the world. Thanks for reading, All the best, Nic -- http://www.fractal-continuum.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 14:55:57 -0700 From: Claus Poulsen Subject: cd trade hi there - i want to trade a few semi-rare cd's and lp's if anyone are interested i have King Crimson "THRAK" 4 track sampler, 1995, cd single King Crimson "Schizoid man", 1996, cd single, 5 versions og the track 1969-74 King Crimson "The COmpact King Crimson", 2LP compilation, 1987 King Crimson "sleepless" 12" maxisingle, 1984 King Crimson "sleepless" 7" single, 1984 Robert Fripp "The gates of paradise", cd 1997, very good soundscapes i want to trade for kccc no. 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20, 22, 25, the michael giles cd, or david cross cd's (except exiles) cheers, claus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:16:12 -0000 From: "REES-JONES, Richard" Subject: Robert as singer? Hello, I was wondering if Robert Fripp has ever sung in public, either live or on record? Richard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:59:34 +0100 From: John Whitfield Subject: Costume designer! Many years ago I met a lady who told me she was a costume designer for King Crimson in the early days. I am talking about 1969 to early 1970s. Her name was Jaqui but have forgotten her second name. I wonder if you have this name and still in contact? We were very good friends and I would like to contact her again for old times sake. John ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1176 *********************************