Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1172 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1172 Saturday, 28 February 2004 Today's Topics: Trey Gunn Releases A strange thing about The Great Deceiver box set. Somewhat off-topic King Crimson on Old Grey Whistle Test EpiTonic.Com National Geographic Central Euro bands/Keeling occultism/Crim & Fripp on TV ELP website Re: Fripp & Eno; Jamie Muir's thumb piano? Favorite Crimson album poll G3 Re: KC DVD releases Re: Thumb Piano Re: broadcast KC live concert Warr guitar Maxi LPs TPTB ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Mike Dickson (ET Newsletter distribution/subscriptions) Nadim S. Haque (ET Webmaster) Toby Howard (ET founder and Newsletter Moderator) Dan Kirkdorffer (ET Webmaster Emeritus) The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b. If you'd like to donate to the upkeep of ET, please press the "Donate" button at ETWeb. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:54:52 -0500 From: "Grassy Sound" Subject: Trey Gunn Releases I'm desperately seeking a copy (or original) of the following cassette-only releases by Trey: The Magic If Food for Thought and (Other Vicious Circles) In addition, where can I purchase Road Journal 2002? Thanks in advance. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:01:08 +0200 From: "Tony Suominen" Subject: A strange thing about The Great Deceiver box set. Hi there! I have the Great Deceiver-box. It's the original release from.. was it 1992?? Anyway, not the re-release. One thing has concerned me a long time and I want to ask you.. if there is someone who can give me an answer to my problem: On disc three(I think, the green sleeve anyway) it says "disc three" on the front sleeve, and also "disc three" on the back cover. But then, on the heads of the case, what are the same piece of paper as the back cover, but only folded as the both "heads" of the jewel case, which only says the name of the artist and the album in most cases, says "discs four". so It says disc three and four on the same sleeve... weird. Also on disc four, it says "four" on the back and "three" on the "heads".. vice versa compared to the other disc. Hope I'm making any sense here. That was a bit hard to explain. Now then, could someone tell me that does this strange thing appear in all of the box sets, or do I have some rare, unique copy :) kindly.. -Tony- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:44:43 -0800 From: "Munsey" Subject: Somewhat off-topic Hello -- Well, I'm off topic here, KC being the topic, but having lurked and received the newsletter for a couple of years now I know that's not so unusual. A couple things that may be of interest to Crimson fanatics or those who enjoy prog... First, the three classic albums of Arthur Brown's Kingdom Come are now available, finally, on CD. Galactic Zoo Dossier, Kingdom Come, and Journey are all early-70s masterpieces in the genre. I snapped these up in two seconds when I saw they'd been released. All are remastered, with so-so bonus tracks/alternate takes, and the sound is fantastic. Highly recommended for fans of early Crimson incarnations, if for nothing else to see what a somewhat bent RF contemporary was envisioning for music at the time. (Consumer note: these are not Crimson sounding, but more of a reflection of what was happening in an alternative prog universe.) Guitar player on these is Andy Dalby. While he's certainly no RF, he's competent. Thinking of Andy Dalby got me thinking of Jack Green, who was some sort of power pop artist of the same era. Green released an album called Reverse Logic, around 1981, on which Dalby played on several songs. So Dalby's on my mind, and I dragged out my LP of Reverse Logic and lo and behold, there's our buddy Mel Collins playing sax on a couple of numbers. I'd forgotten about that; must be my advanced age. Haven't seen Reverse Logic on CD yet, but if you can get the LP you'll find it eminently playable (though predictable) rock & roll. Last, again for those who enjoy prog, I recently came across a Japanese release of PFM's Photos of Ghosts on CD. It's expensive, but the sound on this is pristine. Again recommended for anyone who enjoys their prog -- early use of Mellotrons, minimoogs, etc. Originally released on the Manticore label. This was all stuff I was listening to in the early- to mid-70's and I found it held its own very well beside Lizard, LTIA, and all the rest. I love this stuff. Jimbo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:18:02 -0000 From: "Bob Astridge" Subject: King Crimson on Old Grey Whistle Test The recently released Old Grey Whistle Test Volume 3 dvd has a performance of Frame By Frame on it....complete with Fripp minus shadows and smiling even. While worth purchasing for the gem alone, there is also some stunning material from BB King/Freddie King/Johnny Winter/Robin Trower/Al Stewart to name but a few. All we need now is the Catfood performance from Top Of The Pops !!! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 14:39:12 -0600 From: "Marc Gonzalez" Subject: EpiTonic.Com ET-ers, I was introduced to this site by my brother-in-law: www.epitonic.com. This site offers legal downloads (and streams) from lots of great bands in several genres. No KC of course but there are many bands you can tell that KC is an influence.The music is divied into categories and one is Math Rock (sorry, no Prog - mostly rock and electronic). There is a band called Volta Do Mar that has a song I really like - kinda KC meets Don Caballero. Everyone I've shown this site to has raved about it. Each band has a bio and it also lists similar bands. Check it out. Marc Gonzalez ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:06:51 -0500 From: "Steve Roche" Subject: National Geographic The March 2004 issue of National Geographic contains an article on page 96 called 'Elephant Talk'. "Baby elephants quickly learn to understand their elders' resounding instructions." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:25:56 GMT From: "d b " Subject: Central Euro bands/Keeling occultism/Crim & Fripp on TV Dear Elephantine Talkers, Many points of interest in the last digest: 1. Very interested to hear about the Polish band, Gargantua. I got into a really great Hungarian band called Masfel a few years ago and narrowly missed hearing them play live at a festival in Budapest. There really is some superb musical talent lurking in Central-Eastern Europe (and there's certainly plenty of historical precedent for that!). Masfel have undergone some personnel changes recently and their website isn't so easy to navigate as far as finding the bits in English go, but here it is... http://masfel.bahia.hu/band.htm 2. Bryce the young Scottish guitarist and frustrated Crimson fan, take heart! Your hopes for finding musical kinship at university are well founded. I've recently been encouraging a 1st year undergrad to get into Crimson by recommending albums, etc. I'm hoping to meet up with him and cut our teeth on Larks, Part Two, which is ultimately a joy to play!!! If you're anywhere near St. Andrews then you'll have to get together with us! All we'll need then is a drummer!! 3. My one negative comment: Interested to see Andrew Keeling's latest musicological effort is out. This is all very well, but I find some of his explanations about 'the secret mechanisms that power the mysterious music of King Crimson' a bit hard to take: All that stuff about anything on Larks Tongues that's in 5/4 or 10/8 all being occult pentagram references... So are we to take it that Fripp is in league with the Devil in a Robert Johnson Crossroads style Faustian pact??? Does that mean that the Dave Brubeck Quartet's commercila success with 'Take Five' was due to the demonic brainwashing inherent to the metre of 5/4!!! I don't imagine that Keeling is really seeing the Devil behind every corner, but does he somehow see flirtations with the occult as a hip and trendy mystical kind of thing that really proves Fripp's esoteric transcendental credentials? I heard Opus 20 do a great performance of 'Different Trains' and 'Triple Quartet' by Steve Reich a while ago. Maybe Andrew Keeling should stick to that... Unless he's going to start telling us that Steve Reich's talent is all down to his deep involvement with Kabbalah Jewish black magic and 'Protocols of Zion' style conspiracy theories! 4. Ending on a positive note: Would Gordon, the guy who keep catching snippets of Crimson music on BBC TV, please keep a blank video tape permanently in the machine ready for the next time! I was greatly amused when a mate managed to tape Fripp's appearance on 'I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here' to meet his returning wife. Mr. Fripp certainly put Any and Dec in their places!! But all that aimless chatter! With Robert Fripp sat there on the sidelines! Someone should've told them to shut up and give Fripp a guitar!!! Regarding 'The Night Watch': the Richard Palmer-James interview on the Elephant Talk site is very interesting regarding this song.... Sorry for the lengthy mail, I hope there's something of interest in here for someone! Daniel. P.S. - I'm someone out there *really* wants those signed Crimson CDs on Ebay...!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:23:52 +0100 From: "Paolo Rigoli" Subject: ELP website Hi all, I'd like to introduce an ELP fan-website to this forum. www.covers-at-an-exhibition.de We've just finished a project to create an as most as possible complete/correct list of all tourdates regarding ELP/ELPowell/Three, decorated with scans of tickets, posters, ads etc. One can receive this with the button *ELP on tour* on the above mentioned website. Of course, we appreciate every single feedback, possible information on the dates in question or scans from tickets/posters etc. So if you have ticketstubs, posters, flyers etc. which are not shown here, or additional information about missing dates/venues, we'd be glad to get a mail. webmaster at covers-at-an-exhibition dot de Thanks for reading. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:20:03 -0500 From: Gary Davis Subject: Re: Fripp & Eno; Jamie Muir's thumb piano? At 07:04 PM 2/21/04 GMT, Hynek wrote: >Does anyone know if the first two discs are slated for remastering? I know >that we got The Essential Fripp & Eno, but that came out ten years ago, and >they made the faux pas of substituting Healthy Colours for An Index of >Metal. What about Eno's catalog? A few years back, I read that Virgin was >giving his back catalog the deluxe reissuing treatment. Yes, I remember my Caroline rep getting all excited about it at the time. But as time went on he said it turned out they weren't going to do it after all because Eno was quite satisfied with the releases as they were and didn't feel any remastering was necessary. Maybe with the possibilities of SACD he'll change his mind on that. At 07:04 PM 2/21/04 GMT, Reid wrote: > >Does anyone know what type of thumb/toy piano Jamie Muir uses for the >beginning of "Larks' Tongues in Aspic Pt. 1"? Any info would help. > Actually a 'thumb piano' is not a toy piano, but an African instrument sometimes referred to as a Kalimba. The small half spherical instrument is held in the palms of both hands with the thumbs used to pluck the metal tines. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Artist Shop Radio Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:28:15 -0500 (EST) From: thedukeofprunes at webtv dot net (Mike) Subject: Favorite Crimson album poll Hi CrimFanatics, Since I have been getting a lot replies for the first poll on my King Crimson site (favorite Crimson singer poll), here's the next poll that anyone who is a fan of KC can participate in. Three albums by King Crimson have been chosen which they are no doubt landmark albums: In The Court Of The Crimson King, Larks' Tongues In Aspic, and Discipline. Which one is your favorite? Email me and let me know. Thanks. The results for the first poll are now up. Cheers, Mike http://community.webtv.net/thedukeofprunes/ALLTHINGSCRIM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 20:16:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Bryce Sutherland Subject: G3 I've just heard that Robert Fripp is teaming up with Joe Satriani and Steve Vai for G3 European tour dates... I can't believe this!! I'll actually get a chance to see Robert Fripp!! >From Joe Satriani's web site... "I'm thrilled to announce the European G3 summer tour slated to start around June 10th will present yours truly, along with, Steve Vai and Robert Fripp. This is going to rock! Me and the guys will be playing quite a bit of the new CD along with a few songs we've never done live before." Bryce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:43:13 +0000 From: "Russell Whitworth" Subject: Re: KC DVD releases >And surely there must be more....the 1970 Top of the Pops performance for >example Sadly, this doesn't exist. Not in the BBC archives at least - and private recordings were very rare in 1970. Check the performance database and FAQ (question 1) at: www.bbc.co.uk/totp2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:41:13 -0600 From: "Buzz Fenner" Subject: Re: Thumb Piano Reid Black asked: Does anyone know what type of thumb/toy piano Jamie Muir uses for the beginning of "Larks' Tongues in Aspic Pt. 1"? Any info would help. Reid The answer would be a celeste, which indeed looks like a tiny piano and I think is a member of the percussion family. Buzz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:29:26 +0100 From: Dario Tortora Subject: Re: broadcast KC live concert >April 10th, dutch radio (radio 4, 4FM in concert) will air the live >concert of King Crimson as heard on the North Sea Jazz Festival (of all >places) in 2003. >Time is not clear. Check the site for updates: >http://www.omroep.nl/nps/jazz/ > >Best wishes >Maurice Vergeer Thanks for the info! Do you know if it will be an Internet-broadcast? Will you post the actual link as soon as it becomes available (Dutch is not an easy language to browse a website ;))? Dario -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:04:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Bryce Sutherland Subject: Warr guitar Maybe I can get an answer here... y'know the Chapman Stick? Well, is Trey Gunn's Warr guitar just a Chapman Stick but with a body? If not, can anyone give me details on it? Bryce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:31:56 +0000 From: Roger Shannon Subject: Maxi LPs Dear all, nice to know that the mini lp's are more authentic this time round. However, what I'd love to see is 180g LP reissues. In fact maybe even the newer (post 94) albums on LP, which never came out at the time. Call me a luddite, but I still like the sound of vinyl better than CD, and you get a nice sleeve too! It's fairly easy to get hold of the old LPs, but the older they are (and the better the pressing) the more they've been played on those nasty 70's and 80's turntables which gouged and scraped their way through the grooves. Not to mention the joss stick dust coating the disc. It might not be economic for DGM to put them out, but there's always Simply Vinyl, who do a fantastic job. Maybe a limited market, but I know at least me & the guy from Poland a few newsletters back would buy them! After all, even Robert Fripp said (12 years ago though) that "people with real ears probably would prefer vinyl to CDs" in an ideal world. Well, after the horrors of LP's in the 80's and early 90's (cynical ploy by record companies to get people to buy CDs?), pretty much every new LP released these days has been really well pressed. Plus modern budget turntables are excellent (eg Projekt). I know it's terribly boring to go on about what is a lost cause these days, but what with just having acquired originals of Court of... and John Martyn's Inside Out, having the afternoon off and it being freezing outside, why not? cheers Roger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:56:30 -0600 From: phd3d at juno dot com Subject: TPTB I have a problem with the neverending note on Dangerous Curves, but the Power to Believe shines so that I'm afraid to say Fripp and Belew may need to part; maybe take Pat and regroup from there. ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1172 *********************************