Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1158 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1158 Tuesday, 25 November 2003 Today's Topics: King_Crimson_live_and_RF's_aches_and_pains new conspiracy theory... trey gunn leaves Re: Trey Gunn leaving the Crims LIT Aspec(t); No more Trey :( NYC review,Eyes Wide Open DVD and reflections The Future is open Guides to DGM and 4/4 Jackson, Spector, Fripp? - Thanks, Trey! Re: Lark's Tongue Puzzlement Trey as a goalkeeper The New Standards So long, Trey! It really has been great! Just as Well? "Thrush" in Boston Fripp at 90 degrees GIG REVIEW: St. Louis GIG REVIEW: November 15th 2003 - Beacon Theatre - New York, New York ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Mike Dickson (ET Newsletter distribution/subscriptions) Nadim S. Haque (ET Webmaster) Toby Howard (ET founder and Newsletter Moderator) Dan Kirkdorffer (ET Webmaster Emeritus) The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b. If you'd like to donate to the upkeep of ET, please press the "Donate" button at ETWeb. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:56:58 -0600 From: "david gans" Subject: King_Crimson_live_and_RF's_aches_and_pains Dear Sir or Madame, I am directing this letter to anybody connected with the King Crimson tour entourage or organization. If you feel it appropriate, you may forward this to Robert Fripp. Through the years, I have learned from and enjoyed his music immensely. As a professional musician for the past 20 years, I find his on-line diary insightful and entertaining. It often informs the musical and business decisions I make. I write this letter hoping to return the favor to him in some small way... I was fortunate enough to be present at the Sunday, November 9 show in Chicago at the Park West. I was delighted to be greeted by Robert Fripp's soundscape performance. It was a musical and civilized alternative to the sonic du jour that usually greets the audience there. I had the opportunity to view the show from the front of the stage. This perspective gave me some insights I would like to share with Mr. Fripp in regards to the pain and stiffness I have heard he suffers in his knees, hips or various degrees of both. My own insight comes from 25 years of playing guitar professionally as well as 20 years of martial exercise. One of the things that struck me from being that close to the performers (aside from the powerful performance itself) was the appearance of Mr. Fripp. Very dignified, focused and, dare I say it, a bit heavier than I remember from past performances. The same condition afflicts me and my contemporaries to varying degrees. The reason these maladies affect me at age 43 to a lesser degree than most of my contemporaries has to do with my practice. When I was younger, I had a fanatical relationship with both the metronome (guitar scales) and martial arts. My karate instructor (an older Japanese-born man whose knee was destroyed as an American Nisei soldier fighting the Germans in Italy) impressed upon us the need to work our martial practice into our particular forms of daily living. It was this type of practice that enabled this 65 year old man with a shattered knee to look and move like a 30-year old athlete. For me, at this time, I applied my martial arts practice into my daily living by performing my repetitive guitar exercises (scales and hand calisthenics) while holding various martial stretches and positions. Something as simple as sitting in the lotus position while practicing guitar can, over a period of time, improve flexibility in both the knees and hips of the student. It can also strengthen the gluteus, abdominal and back muscles as well. For someone like Fripp (who presumably spends a lot of time practicing the guitar), this type of simple practice combined with low impact stretching, resistance exercises and dietary changes can gradually improve his physical condition and help to alleviate the causes of his discomfort. Of course, there are many drugs that can block pain and stiffness, but one pays a price in unintended side effects and toxicity. There are many approaches to sitting, standing and even breathing that can ameliorate and even eliminate joint, bone and muscle aches. These practices can be combined with guitar practice to great effect. I am sure that even if Mr. Fripp was 300 lbs. and had to be wheeled on to the stage, he would be musically compelling. In any case, our first instrument is our body, and it pays to practice... Sincerely, David Gans davidbgans at sbcglobal dot net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 12:52:59 +1100 From: "Keenan, Owen" Subject: new conspiracy theory... Is it just me, or does anyone else believe that Trey has left Crim to join the 21st Century Schizoid Band? Why not, a lot of other ex-crims have done the same! ;-) Owen Keenan Area Controller Southern Rail Management Centre Junee NSW ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 02:03:12 +0000 From: "Antonio Maria Correia" Subject: trey gunn leaves trey is leaving! i cant believe it. he seemed like such an important part of KC that i dunno how they're going to solve this now... Tony might be back? or maybe Robert can surprise us once more by finding someone really incredible to play the bass lines. i dont think KC are going to end over this good luck with everything Trey, still a great admirer of you Antonio Maria Correia ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 03:44:43 +0100 From: Per Wilhelmsson Subject: Re: Trey Gunn leaving the Crims I can't believe it's true! I thought he was the least likely person in this line-up to leave! Well, good luck in your future career! I can't help but thinking who will replace him? I really hope this doesn't harm KC's chances of continuing as a group! I know Tony Levin recently said he still considers himself a member of KC, so why not bring him back? Or John Wetton, Greg Lake or Peter Giles?! /Per ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:12:12 -0500 From: David Vella Subject: LIT Aspec(t); No more Trey :( Greetings Crimsomaniacs, Bret Woolbright asks: > For a while I always thought the title was Lark's > Tounge in Aspec and for some cheeky reason they simply dropped the T and > meant aspect, ..... looking closer at the title, I discovered that the > word was actually aspic. .....I learned aspic means: a clear jelly made > from meat or fish stock and often used as a mold for meats. Now, I have > no clue exactly how that title relates, I try to ponder it but to no avail. > Does anyone have any clue? Maybe Fripp could help with this one. Aspic it is, my friend, and its meaning is exactly as you say. If you insist on having a meaning for the song/album title (which is not at all a given), I can only imagine the intention was to liken the music to something to consume: the name evokes both a rare, tasty delicacy, and something that borders on gross. > How the heck do you decide on that title? The name is due to avant-garde percussionist Jamie Muir (which increases my suspicions that no meaning was intended). After playing the piece one of the band members said "what should we call it?" to which Jamie immediately replied "Why, Lark's Tongues in Aspic, of course!" (Of course, I refer to LTIA, Part I, still the best of the four, although LTIA, part IV comes darn close...) I believe I read that (how it was named) in Sid's book, but I don't have the book here to verify that - I'm going on memory, always a bad idea. In other news, sad to hear about Trey leaving the band - I regret not seeing them on the recently completed tour (at least I saw them in March), I choose to work late one evening instead of attending. Also always a bad idea. Regardless, I wish Trey the best in his future, and also wait with 'bated breath to hear the next step for Crim. Cheers, David Vella ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 01:31:24 -0500 From: Philip J Taylor Subject: NYC review,Eyes Wide Open DVD and reflections First of all, let me say that the NYC concert was overall very good. Having seen the Philly date some months back, I'll say that that show found the Crims a bit more on their game than in NYC. Hmmm, could it be the hyperactive loudmouth assholes that insist on yelling stupid things during the the most delicate moments of the music? North American KC shows seem to be fraught with this phenomenon, as every concert I've been to of KC's has been on the east coast and full of idiots who don't have respect for a group of REAL musicians. Viewing the Eyes Wide Open dvd, I couldn't help but notice that the Japanese audience was more respectful in behavior than in the USA. Haven't watched the disc 2 London show yet, but I expect to witness the same smaller presence of "ROCK AND ROLLLLLLLL!!!" mentality. My long time best friend and I travelled from Baltimore to see the NYC show, having left that afternoon. Early on in our trip, my car window became stuck down, bringing about a cold, windy hell the likes of which I hope I'll never experience again. Reflecting back on this event, it is worth mentioning that all four windows could have been stuck down and we still would have made it to that show. Some things in life are worth that, a KC concert is one of them. As a final thought, I'm sure we all as Crim fans have our favorite moment or moments in the KC repertoire. I've realized mine tonight after watching the EWO dvd, that being the end of the B section of Lark's Tongues part 4, where the band is in unison playing the accompanying percussive "hits" whilst Robert plays his blistering sequential figure above in its devilishly technical nature. Could this be any more programmatic for a spiralling free fall into the flames of Hades? This or the repeating two sixteenth-eighth motif found earlier in the same section and throughout the rest of the piece. This piece has the kind of intensity that can grip one's soul comparably to Mahler's or Wagner's most dramatic work, in my opinion. Phil Taylor ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:51:45 +0100 From: "Carlos Romeo" Subject: The Future is open Hi With Trey Gunn out of KC thera are some chances: - The end of the group (It may happen). - The return of Tony Levin (but it is a step backwards) - The beginning of a period of I+D, similar to the ProjeKcts era, with or without Pat Mastelotto or Adrian Belew, with new musicians. This last option is my favourite future step of development for Crimson Any suggestions? Bill Rieflin? Jerry Marotta? John Paul Jones? Steven Wilson? I am looking forward to the things yet to come. Carlos Romeo (Spain) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:25:12 +0300 From: "Andrei Rouliakov" Subject: Guides to DGM and 4/4 Hello fellows! In ET#1157 Sarah Metivier wrote: >Whether you're interested in counting out 21stCSM or not, I highly >recommend both of the Discipline compilation CDs. I'm not even sure if DGM >still carries these CDs, but if you can find them, I urge you to pick them >up. They offer a great variety of samples from the Crimson-related artists >from DGM. I can not agree more. I have just purchased these two CDs about a month ago - not from DGM, but brand new, which proves that they are still available in stores (they are also available from the DGM web site at very modest $5 each). Both Guides are exceptionally good. It is very interesting to listen to familiar tracks outside of their usual album contexts. The Guides have their own contexts, though. The first Guide is simply exceptionally good. Also, it contains "Scanning II" from the infamous "Soundbites". The second Guide is much, much better. In addition to the "21CSM" by PROJEkCT TWO, which is an abridged version from the "Live Groove", it contains "4 (i)" by ProjeKct One, absolutely different from what we have on "Live at the Jazz Cafe". It also includes a live version of "Dinosaur" from the Broadway show, not included in "VROOOM VROOOM". The version is not as powerful as the Mexico City one (Adrian sounds exhausted), but is very enjoyable. Interesting drum work. Buy these two albums. Now!!! As for 21CSM, the funny thing is that the first four songs in the ITCOTKC are in 4/4 - look through their respective notations. The instrumentals are different, though. "Mirrors" is in 3/4, "The Dream" is in 4/4, "The Illusion" uses 5/8, 9/8, 4/4, 4/8, and 2/4. "The Court of the Crimson King" is almost completely in 4/4, but the words "court of the crimson" are sung in 2/4, and there are bars in 2/4 and 3/4 in "The Dance of the Puppets" section. But what a clever use of 4/4! Andrei n.p. VROOOM P.S. There will be no more "Thrush". This is sad. But there will be a lot of much more interesting music from Trey. This is very good. Let's not be unhappy with what we don't have to be unhappy with! My candidate - Sean Malone. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 09:32:09 -0800 (PST) From: Wilson Mark Subject: Jackson, Spector, Fripp? - Thanks, Trey! If there is anything positive to be mined from the recent headlines featuring Michael Jackson and Phil Spector, it is that we may rest comfortably in the knowledge that Standoffishness and Light Sensitivity are peculiarities that really shouldnt carry much weight in an inventory of troubling traits and behaviors displayed or possessed by recording industry type folks. Rock on, Mr. Fripp, by whatever means necessary! You are a very normal man. And, to double up topicwise, I want to thank Trey Gunn for all wonderful music of his King Crimson career. The recordings have been enjoyable and exemplary and I had the pleasure of attending my first KC show at the Park West on Halloween night, 2000. Your performance that night, individually and Kcollectively, if I may, helped my spirit soar. All the best to you in the future. Sad to see this configuration finish its work; I like TPTB as well as any studio album I own. But, as it was in the 70s, 80s and 90s, I cant wait to see what happens next. cheers, vdm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:07:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Bryce Sutherland Subject: Re: Lark's Tongue Puzzlement "Someone please help me. For a while I always thought the title was Lark's Tounge in Aspec and for some cheeky reason they simply dropped the T and meant aspect, which to me makes sense." It's still not the clearest title in the world though is it? "Driven by my curiosity, I learned aspic means: a clear jelly made from meat or fish stock and often used as a mold for meats. Now, I have no clue exactly how that title relates, I try to ponder it but to no avail. Does anyone have any clue?" Larks' Tongues In Aspic is a made-up medieval dish or something similar, created by Fripp no less. Or so I have read. Bryce Visit my site: www.bryce.uni.cc Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 23:19:35 +0300 From: "Andrei Rouliakov" Subject: Trey as a goalkeeper Hello fellows! Recently (11/15 and 11/19) I watched two [classic] football matches between Russia and Wales (our team has finally won). The Welsh goalkeeper looked appallingly like the magnificient TG. He had somewhat more developed thighs (he is a football player, not a Warr-guitar player, after all). He is a good goalkeeper. His name is Paul Jones!!! Andrei. n.p. The Shostakovich String Quartet (playing Haydn, Shostakovich, Borodin, Tchaikovsky, and more Shostakovich). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 15:42:49 EST From: Boobird at aol dot com Subject: The New Standards Dear Folks -- With the imminent demise/hiatus of our favorite group, it might be time for our heroes to indulge in different "new standards," some music-related and some not. My thoughts on the subject: ...tooning -- "Finding Nemo" will look archaic after the Crimson crew is done. ...tuna -- specialty seafood-like tofu-based ticklers. ...tooling -- who says cogs have to be like, well, COGS? ...touring -- new, improved cross-country bus trips. ...tooting -- the horn section of the orchestra will never sound the same! ...tubing -- better music and methods for floating down one's favorite lazy river. ...tuquing -- the coming Ice Age will require warmer, fuzzier, chic-er hats. ...tousling -- hairstyles for the millenium (it's not too late)! ...crooning -- so what if you can't sing? Ol' Blue Eyes, step aside for Uncle Bobby! and finally (thank goodness) ...spooning -- new, fun ways to court and spark one's "Little Luvvie." Thanks to Robert, Ade, Trey and Pat for fantastic music and memories. You're the best! Mark Newstrom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:09:27 -0600 From: "Fermier World HQ" Subject: So long, Trey! It really has been great! I'm sorry to hear that Trey has decided to move on. I'll miss his playing with King Crimson, but, I'll still be able to continue to see & hear him with his own band. It's not like he's going to drop off the face of the earth. It's just time for a change. Now, with that said. How about auditioning some women for the band, Bobby! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 22:13:50 -0600 From: "Ced Hendrix" Subject: Just as Well? I realize that I risk certain unpopularity amongst ETers as a result of this post. But I feel that it needs to be said nonetheless. So here goes ... I was as shocked as anyone to read that Trey was leaving KC. I just couldn't seem to wrap my head around it. But upon reading his release, I understood. I even applauded him. All I can say is, if you've gone as far as you think you can, then there's no need to go any further. Or as a famous athelete once said, "When all is said and done, there is nothing left to say or do." Which led me to my thoughts on the possible future of the band. Perhaps T-Lev will step back in? Maybe another young lad will meet the challenge head on? But my most dominating thought was this one: maybe the guys should just stop. There are several signs that (in my mind) have been pointing in this direction for a while: 1. Robert's growing dissatisfaction with life on the road, and the trappings therein. 2. Ade's unrelenting schedule, which is about to yield a box set and a new solo album, along with more from The Bears. He's also given countless opportunities to produce, and this trio with he, Les Claypool, and Danny Carrey could go somewhere. 3. P@ is hip deep in BPMM, TU, MasticA, BoMo, and who knows how many other projects down the road. 4. Trey's departure, stating that he has achieved all he wishes within the context of this band. 5. TPTB is easily the best record this band has done in more than 20 years. Why not go out on top? Those are just the immediate reasons. There may (or may not) be others. When Robert suggested that the new KC be small, mobile, and independent, maybe he meant studio oriented, and strictly part-time. Who really knows what lingers in the mind of Fripp? I sure don't. At any rate, when you've peaked (or feel you have), there's nowhere to go but down. And what's sadder than an athelete or a band that hangs around for a bit too long? Why not let these guys go gently into the good night? Why not tip our hats, say "thanks for the music," and hope for some good stuff from the archives? I can live with that. I may not love it, but I can live with it. So allow me to be the first. If this is the end of KC, I say "Thanks for everything, including being allowed to share in your company three times in concert. My musical world has not been the same since I found you, and it will never go back. I appreciate it." Peace, Ced www.krazeepeeple.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 02:18:52 -0500 From: "sportsterrpm1" Subject: "Thrush" in Boston Good Evening Hippies, What if John Wetton, Gordan Haskell, or Greg Lake came back in this oppertune moment? Would that throw you a curve or what ? I've just seen King Crimson in Boston and New Haven, last week, and let me say that King Crimson has NEVER had a tighter Rhythm section than Trey & P@ !!!! Barr None!!!! These guys ROCKED THE HOUSE !!!!!!!!!! This time of King Crimson was beautiful !!!!! I wished that it would never end!!! King Crimson has NEVER been better!!!! But now, it is just another chapter in the next Sid Smith book... What's next !!! Trey, the fans LOVED ya, and were gonna miss ya !!! Good Evening Hippies... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:03:15 -0500 From: Michael dot Russell at mercerdelta dot com Subject: Fripp at 90 degrees Friends-- I have seen quite a few posts complaining about Fripp facing the band rather than the audience. I too enjoy watching his fingers dance over the frets, and at the Beacon on 11/15, I was seated third row right in front of Fripp, which meant looking at his elbow, and the back of his guitar. (And at the hardworking John Sinks, who was on stage several times to nurse the Lunar Module.) I'll say this: the way Fripp strapps on his guitar and then gently holds the instrument speaks volumes about what he is able to do. Since I could not see his fingers, I noted his posture and the placement of his left thumb on the neck. I simply can not think of someone who is so elegant while playing. In this sense, Fripp sitting in profile was a real treat to watch. And the performance? I've heard these guys in half a dozen configurations and they just keep getting better. Let's hope for peace, --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 22:39:03 -0600 From: "Ced Hendrix" Subject: GIG REVIEW: St. Louis As much as I harp about the lack of quality acts that come to my fair city, it seems only right that I offer my two cents on the one show I wanted to see above all. King Crimson and The Pageant are made for each other. It's the perfect room for them, in terms of crowd size and ambience within the room. This was my third time seeing the band, and the second in this room. The fact that this show came the day before my birthday made it that much more special. The first time, I stood right in front, and had a blast. This time, I thought I would stand behind the sound board, so that I could get a better balance of sound, and give someone else a chance to stand up front. My friends and I sat behind the board with no problems. The view was perfect, since the area housing the boards is slightly sunken in to the floor. My step-son was with me, and it was his first time seeing KC. I told him that he was in for a helluva night. As it turns out, I was half right. Living Colour was stunning. There weren't a whole lof of people there early on, but by the time the set started flowing, they owned the room and all that came in late. I even had a Fripp sighting, as he casually leaned on a post to the left of the soundboard, some eight feet from me. He was absorbed by LC's power as well, and applauded loudly. Just as quickly, he was gone. Luckily, nobody violated his space. By the time LC left the stage, the sound system was pretty loud. No matter, I thought. LC is a loud band. Adjustments will be made. I was wrong on that one. Crimson's set was solid. From the standpoint of the set-list, I have no real complaints, other than there was no opening soundscape. I attributed this to the lack of a spare 2290 on Robert's Lunar Module, and moved on. There was also no Dangerous Curves, one of my faves from the new record. But I heard it on the Level 5 tour, so no biggie. The band was solid, and seemed to be into what they were doing. The Rhythm Buddies (especially P@) really seemed to be enjoying themselves. But it was all too loud. WAY too loud. When you can't hear the drums clearly over the guitars, then there is no balance. This was my problem. I tried to get the attention of the sound man, who ignored me. I saw at least a dozen people walk out, holding their ears. The enormity of the sound (mixed for a much larger audience, I suppose) was just overwhelming. And it put me off. I love Adrian Belew, and his solos. But DAMN! RF mentioned in his diary that this show may have gotten away from the band, and that it had no center. Perhaps the volume had something to do with this? >From where I was sitting, I was unable to connect with the band. That is, the music couldn't flow through me, since it was constantly beating me about the head, and puncturing my eardrums. It's very hard to enjoy even the best music this way. My point is this: King Crimson is a powerful band, playing powerful music. But that power does NOT come from volume. It lies in the subtlety. A well placed shaker here, a bell there. But the guitars pierced that delicate bubble. And I don't blame the band for this. The sound guy should have known better. He took a perfectly good "musician's music" set, and turned it into The Ramones. Turn it down next time, dude. Please. My two cents ... Ced www.krazeepeeple.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:23:39 -0500 From: "Rich Entrup" Subject: GIG REVIEW: November 15th 2003 - Beacon Theatre - New York, New York My observations of the evening: Pre-show: Ran into Pat Mastelotto having a smoke outside the side entrance of the venue at around 7:30pm. Funny, but just I was describing the KC band members to a friend who was joining me for his first KC experience and just as I said " and the drummer", Pat just turned his head and said: "HEY, I heard that!!". Pretty funny.... Living Color: Chilli Peppers ain't got nothing on these boys! Very cool and very tight! Remember Fishbone, BadBrains, and the RHCPs before they sold out?? Vernon is damn quick on the ax... a little sloppy for my taste, but definitely respectable. Dig the militia garb.... Corey can still belt them out... The Dennis Rodman/Prison look works! And the "Back in Black" AC/DC cover was great!! Bass Player is clearly a Stanley Clark fan... and a Canadians Hockey fan?? Drummer was very intense and tight... Good show guys! The kids were a nice touch for my heart.... Rocking on the side of the stage all night... Cute..... KC: Well, after seeing this line up and set list 4-5 times for the last 3-4 years straight, I must say that the show was NOT as intense as I've witnessed in the past. Same songs, but the energy was simply not there for me that night. Did anyone notice that?? Mr. Fripp was surprisingly pleasant and actually applauded Trey after a solo... He also smiled a few times during the show and seemed happy at the end. Might have been the (1) hour 15 min. payload....KC went on at 9:20pm and broke at 10:20pm, then came out for 2-3 more... Hey guys, I'm not a cheap man but give me a solid 2 hours minimum for $90 bucks, ok?? That's only fair. And considering I just caught the same act 6 months ago...No new material!?? Ade was checking his damn watch at 10:20pm like he had to get off the stage or something?? What was the rush? The Roadies?? ;-) see below... Trey (all in white) was masterful as usual and Pat seemed to be handled things quite smoothly. Not "struggling" as I've seem him do so in the past. Did anyone notice the PM and upside down PM on his bass drum? Cool logo or hidden message? God, I miss Bruford.. The true master of smooth.... Playing the most complicated riffs with such ease.... .. Where are you BILL? Ade. Well what can I say, truly a genius ... Very intense connection with the audience that night. Almost trying to gauge people's reaction... And the hair!? Listen dude, I'm loosing my hair just as much as the next guy but my suggestion: Do the Tony Levin thing! Chicks dig it more than the mad scientist look... Trust me...... ;-) And speaking of chicks.... Did anyone notice a much higher turnout of women at this show? And how about that 6 ft. blonde in the 3rd row left center orchestra?? WHOA! She and her man left 2 or 3 songs into KC. I guess they were there for Living Color and thought they would give the Crimson guys a shot... Whatever... She looked pissed...? Lighten up... How bad could life be when you're better looking that Nicole Kidman? Roadies: And what's with the 40-something roadies?? Girls, these guys are NOT the Stones... I just don't see it happening backstage? One actually looked like "Velma" from Scooby Doo...... I gave her a "Hey Shaggy" on the way out.... They all rushed the stage (left center orchestra section) and crouched on the floor for the encore... KC Roadies... Funny.... Shirts: $40 for a T-shirt? Blow me.... Stars Were Out: Did anyone spot the music editor (maybe Rolling Stone). Ramones look... Snake skin face??? What's his name??? That's it... See you next time..... Maybe.... ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1158 *********************************