Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1156 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1156 Monday, 17 November 2003 Today's Topics: ET Spam-Virus Re: Conegliano Improv FOOD (group from Norway) Hyde Park / Eyes Wide Open 21st Century 4/4 Man Re: Fripp and the RIAA David Cross Mentioned On "Strangers With Candy" Re: Fripp Sighting in Denver Michael Giles - Progress Re: The dvd's?/St. Louis gig reviews?/A Test A small correction Re: Robert Fripp's Future Re: GIG REVIEW - Park West 11/8 KC Poster GIG REVIEW: Boston GIG REVIEW: 21st Century Schizoid Band live in Newcastle GIG REVIEW: Saint Louis GIG REVIEW: Kingston, NY 11-14-2003 GIG REVIEW: Montreal Review GIG REVIEW: November 15th 2003 - Beacon Theatre - New York, New York ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Mike Dickson (ET Newsletter distribution/subscriptions) Nadim S. Haque (ET Webmaster) Toby Howard (ET founder and Newsletter Moderator) Dan Kirkdorffer (ET Webmaster Emeritus) The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b. If you'd like to donate to the upkeep of ET, please press the "Donate" button at ETWeb. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:22:12 GMT From: crimson at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk (Mike Dickson) Subject: ET Spam-Virus > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:30:51 +0000 (GMT) > From: Bryce Sutherland > Subject: Re: ET Spam-Virus > > I was notified by ET that it did in fact come from this mailing list, > from the administrators, and they've done everything in their power to > stop it happening again. Let's set something straight here: (1) The virus in question is an Outlook Express virus that propagates via the OE address book. (2) The ET administration system doesn't use Outlook Express. It doesn't even use Windows. (3) The virus did *NOT* come 'from this mailing list' and certainly did not come 'from the administrators'. It came from an ET user who has since posted to the list explaining everything. (4) Anyone who tells you otherwise has an over-active imagination. Mike Dickson Elephant Talk Administration and Distribution ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:31:22 -0600 From: "Craig" Subject: FOOD (group from Norway) Anyone have info on Ian Bellamy`s (EARTHWORKS) work w/ the group FOOD from Norway? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:06:39 +0100 From: SGIRARD at janbe dot jnj dot com Subject: Hyde Park / Eyes Wide Open Hello Frippies, Last week I purchased a DVD called "the Stones in the Park". It is the famous Hyde Park concert with KC as opener... while looking at it I noticed, at the right, the Great Roberto, watching Mick Jagger singing. You can actually see him several times, on stage, watching the Stones. Also noticed Paul McCartney (not on stage). Other DVD news : "Eyes Wide Open" is delicious, a real delight and the sound is great. Glad I have it. Jan, Slukes! Bye, Serge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:16:03 -0500 From: Kevin Holm-Hudson Subject: 21st Century 4/4 Man RotateyDiskers at aol dot com wrote: >... and to Ian Wallace I say this : "Schizoid unison section written in 4/4 >eh?"... Sure it is. How else can you explain Boz keeping up with the rest of the Islands lineup in that passage? ;-) Seriously, I was able to transcribe the passage on the studio recording with the help of a variable-speed phrase sampler, and it is indeed in 4/4, albeit with lots of silences and syncopations. I have it on a Finale 97 file if anyone is interested. Back to silence, back to minus... Kevin Holm-Hudson -- Kevin Holm-Hudson Assistant Professor of Music Theory University of Kentucky 105 Fine Arts Building Lexington, KY 40506-0022 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:21:44 -0800 (PST) From: Eaerth Subject: Re: Fripp and the RIAA >just curious, has RF ever stated an opinion about the >current (and ongoing) RIAA / MPAA vs. the average user >fuzz? Since he is very critival about the >music industry in his DGM Q&A I would assume he has a >clear opinion here too. Considering that Fripp owns DGM, and DGM is a member of the RIAA, I think that puts Fripp squarely on the side of the RIAA (to state the obvious). A side effect is that I can't buy any more King Crimson albums, because all of them show up on RIAA Radar. This puts me in a bind, especially now that gift-giving season has arrived, but shoganai. ===== A comic: http://kevorkian.isfuckingbrilliant.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:27:01 -0600 From: "Alan Atwood" Subject: David Cross Mentioned On "Strangers With Candy" On the Comedy Central series that ended 2002 which is now available on DVD, David Cross's name is written on the chalk board. In the episode "Yes You Can't" on the season 2 DVD, a teacher is singing "Dust In The Wind" by Kansas. On the chalk board behind him is written KANSAS, FOREIGNER, D. CROSS. I am assuming that is the David Cross, due to the fact that I can't think of any other D. Cross's from that era and Ian McDonald being in Foreigner. Or perhaps I'm simply reaching. Alan Atwood Houston ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:58:34 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Hickson Subject: Re: Fripp Sighting in Denver As Steve was pondering how to approach Mr. Fripp to thank him for returning to Denver "this big lug of a fellow" interupted the moment. Steve - my gut tells me that your intent to thank Robert Fripp differs from the big lug's only by a matter of degree. I suspect the best way to thank Robert is to give him his peace...particularly during a performance. (I'm not picking Steve, just trying to put things in a different perspective. You did the right thing.) Another way to thank Robert is if you happen to sit near him on an airplane, refrain from excessive throat clearing, fidgeting and nose picking. ;^) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:07:21 +0000 From: Andrew Diane and Adam Robertson Subject: Michael Giles - Progress I've just caught up with Michael Giles's 1978 solo album "Progress", finally released by Voiceprint last year (VP264CD). Sorry if I've missed postings about it previously, but I thought it was worth drawing to people's attention. It's a concept album of sorts, but with a very straightforward and appealing concept, and it's full of wonderful musicianship from both Giles brothers as well as Dave McRae, various Caravan associates and others. If you liked McDonald & Giles you'll find much to enjoy on this album; I've played it rather more than "The Power to Believe". -- Andrew Robertson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:05:40 -0800 (PST) From: Steven Munari Subject: Re: The dvd's?/St. Louis gig reviews?/A Test Hey Kciminals! I haven't seen 1 GIG REVEIW of the Nov. 7th Conncert in St. Louie-Louie, at the "Pageant" yet! Come on Fellow Kciminals from St. Lou. lets hear about this gig! I wasn't able to attend so i'd luv to hear from those who did! Turtle? Philski? Anyone. About this KC dvd, I've put off buying it because i've heard more BAD things than good! If you wish to respond in this forum cool, but if not email me to my addy. PLEASE nothing from Sarah from which I too recieved a virus loaded email but deleted before opening!! Finally, this is another test. Because for the past 4 months I haven'tn been able to post, I won't go in to details, but I tried posting from 4 seperate email sites, & nothing! At last I got a reply that said my post would be included in ET #?(I forget now)but the shite I wrote never appeared? I'm HOPING this 1 will get through! We'll see? A currently disapointed ET subscriber for years now! Cannons Munari PS: Sorry for shouting! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:15:59 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Snead Subject: A small correction Re: Robert Fripp's Future In ET #1154, "vze6n8vs" says "In his 10.28.03 entry, he [RF] clearly states that were every audience as supportive and generous as the Anaheim one, performance would be 'part of his future'." Actually the line "if all performance were like this, then performance would be part of my future", is taken from his description of the Phoenix show. See also the part of that day's entry where he says about the Anaheim show "During the final encore, Red, a battery of flashes erupted. They were probably not aimed at me, but my show was killed stone dead. What a pity. After last night, performance seemed an option again." Not to nitpick, but hey the LA area gets so many more shows than we do here in Phoenix, so let's not rob us of our moment of glory, lol. Larry Snead ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:34:46 -0600 From: Michael Brothers Subject: Re: GIG REVIEW - Park West 11/8 Hi All: A recent gig review lamented about "what might have been" at the Park West Chicago show. Strangely enough, the GIG REVIEWER must have been right in front of me, since the "drunken oafs" cited were immediately to my right. Actually, my son's right. (An aside....People, take your kids, or if you don't have any, borrow some, and take them to these shows! Even though the tickets say "18 and over", a younger person can enter with a parent or guardian. We owe it to the younger generation to expose them to some challenging, soaring, hell, different music than that to which they are normally exposed. My son became a fan of the band after 'The Power To Believe' rarely left the music deck in my car. I only saw one other boy in the audience. I can only speak for Tristan, but after he got over the volume, he enjoyed himself immensely. He really perked up when the band played "Happy..." and just grooved the rest of the night, and it was a great chance for us to bond over something wonderful.) The "oafs" had "spirited" in a bottle of Jim Beam, and were indeed drunk, chattered incesantly, and after a while, wouldn't stop talking to me and Tristan. At first I was greatly annoyed, and toyed with the idea of asking him to just shut the hell up, but knew that such a request would probably have only made things worse. I decided to do something radical--I accepted them and their behavior. Short of assualting me physically, there was no way I was going to give anyone else the power to alter my enjoyment of the show. I could have, and the GIG REVIEWER could have, at any time, moved elsewhere in the establishment. The music was still being played, and as far as I can tell, these "oafs" were not affecting the performance on stage. "What might have been" was there for the taking. Yeah, the band experienced some technical problems (it was humorous to watch Adrian "coaxing along" the voice sample during "TPTB Part II", although probably not that humorous to him :-)), and there was some talking from the audience, but as far as I can tell, the band poured their guts out and gave a fine performance. I'd like to thank Ade, Pat, Robert, and Trey for doing what they do, and for being part of a truly memorable night for me and my son. Take Care, mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:39:17 -0600 From: "Marc Gonzalez" Subject: KC Poster ET-ers: I was browsing the web and ran across a site for rock posters. They have a pretty cool one for KC advertizing a gig at the theater of living arts. No pictures of the band; just a 'groovy' color illustration. 15X25 for $24.99 Check it out: http://www.music-posters1.com/king-crimson/S18139/P10111494/king-crimson-pos ter.html Marc Gonzalez IS Customer Service Ochsner Foundation Clinic 504.736.4971 X34971 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:41:59 -0500 From: "DerKazarian, Alan" Subject: GIG REVIEW: Boston Last night's Crimson show was a real treat. It was in the Avalon Ballroom which is an intimate little venue with general admission so it was very easy to get real close to the bands. It was a typical setlist but there was one glitch when after three or four songs Adrian announced to the sound and light guys, "We're changing to Thrush." He then left the stage, talked to guy over on the right of the stage, and disappeared until the longest Thrush I'd ever heard was completed. I wonder if anyone knew what this was all about? Was it simply an emergency bathroom break? Didn't seem like it. A couple other notes: It seemed like the band was really on for the first three or four songs. They were extremely tight and Robert had a big smile on his face. But then something happened. I don't know if it was Adrian's exit or the thing that caused him to exit, but the band definitely had a more difficult time afterwards, like they were trying to make something from something that had just fallen apart. They did have some wonderful moments but the night never quite lived up to the promise of the first few songs. But an excellent show overall. Robert has us so trained by now that when a guy in front of me yelled, "Schizoid Man!," our entire section freaked. There were a lot of, "Oh Gods," "Come ons," "Shh's", and my favorite, "Shut up! He'll walk off the stage!" At least the word is out about Papa Fripp's sensitivities. But I never heard even one Freebird call. And lastly Living Color blew me away. They were totally rocking, Vernon Reid played intricately, tastefully, and like a monster, and the new songs were surprisingly complex and Crim-sy. Robert spent a large part of their set watching from the right, clapping very loudly after each song. I could hear his individual claps and I was thirty feet away from him! That's it. A great show, 3 1/2 hours for only $35. A bargain if their ever was one. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:31:56 +0000 From: "mike mclaughlin" Subject: GIG REVIEW: 21st Century Schizoid Band live in Newcastle Hi all! Just a bit on the late side but I felt I must make my opinions known. This was a gig I'd been looking forward to for about a year (since the first time I saw them) and I was more than rewarded for the wait. This band are the worlds best kept secret apparently (the venue I saw them at was less than half full) so I am in select company in having seen this gig. I bought the new CD by the band at the merchandise stall along with Ian Wallace's fantastic album, a load of Jakko Jacszyck (or however it's spelt) discs (I bought all the Crimso related material last year) and T-shirts. Anyway enough about what I bought this is about what I saw, which has to be one of the greatest gigs I've ever seen (and one of the band's better shows too by the sounds of the official bootleg CD). They opened with "Pictures Of A City" (the same as last year oddly enough) and it was good and loud enough for me! The performance was faultless (actually throughout the night the playing was first rate so I'll just say that once and you can take it as read unless I say otherwise!). this was followed by an evening (I forget which songs were played in which order) of fantastic music including a new "Schizoid Band" composition, and a storming performance of CirKcus (they didn't do that last year!). However there is only one reason I have decided to write this e-mail and that is to compliment David Cross, John Wetton, Robert Fripp, and Richard Palmer-James retrospectively for writing the greatest song ever written (and I know this statement has the power to cause ructions, just bear in mind it's an opinion) Starless. Oh yeah and the Schizoid band played it brilliantly making it (like every other song in the set) their own without extinguishing the essence and grandeur of the original. suffice to say this gig made me one happy bassist. Mike. Punctuated Badly! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:33:13 EST From: Jjvince1 at aol dot com Subject: GIG REVIEW: Saint Louis the pageant is basicalliy park west with a niteclub( opens at 5 pm)"Halo Bar" gin front and a bigger stage then park west so u dont have to freeze to death waiting in line a suprisingly smaller crowd then i expected Living Color kicked ass big time since being off the chicago bill we expected as much no fripp sighting as an audient/participant but a powerfull set bass player wore a faulk jersey cool great synth sound they were great King Crimson no soundscape(didnt expect one) park west with no opener is a much better soundscape enviornment basically same show i saw mar 17th at park west but without "eyes" masterfull fripp midway thru the set fripps rig started giving him much discomfort and watching him close u get to see the pain this truly causes him but he manages to always pull thru and excel beyond that night was full of blistering fripp ala 74 style improv guitar magic meets the even better then the mar 17th king crimson its just just an amazing event anywhere elephant talk was good to hear live and red was great all in all a great evening bravo robert please come back soon ade and the rythmbuddies are awesome if king crimson does go we will still have all that is to come thanx robert ade pat and trey cant wait for the future bringings ..........................peace............a reality ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:09:54 -0500 From: "Jim Loman" Subject: GIG REVIEW: Kingston, NY 11-14-2003 The show opened with Living Color who played a loud and energetic set for an hour. They closed with "Cult of Personality." Crimson had a great light show which added a lot to the music. Here is their song lineup as best as I recall Power to Believe Part I Level 5 The ConstruKction of Light EleKctric Power to Believe Part II Facts of Life Dinosaur Happy to Be Happy One Time Dangerous Curves LTIA Part 4 (no vocals on Coda) *** The Deception of the Thrush Red This being the third time I've seen this version of Crimson (I've also been to three other concerts of earlier versions of the band, 71-73-96), there were no real surprises musically, although this is the first time I've ever seen them do "One Time," which was a treat. Pat was especially on during this show, & really carried the band with energetic flailing. Adrian was his usual pleasant self as front man. Both Trey and Robert were in their own worlds, neither added much visually although the amount of sound pouring forth from them was impressive. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:05:56 -0500 From: Phil Evans Subject: GIG REVIEW: Montreal Review Caught the Montreal Show last night (Nov 11). It was @ Theatre St. Denis, a ~ 2 thousand seater just east of downtown. Not quite sold out. Things started rolling @ EXACTLY 8PM, when Living Color stepped on stage. It took a couple of songs for the sound guy to get the mix , but after that they were great. I not heard these guys before: Vernon Reid is a blazingly fast guitarist & the bass player did some really amazing stuff. Definitely worth seeing. They played for an hour. I wasn't I picked up their lastest CD from the merch booth & the set has alot of the new material KC came on ~9:45pm. They opened with "Power To Believe pt. 1", followed with a rocked up Prozac Blues & Construction of Light. As far as I could tell, the remainder of the set was material from the "Power to Believe", plus "Dinasour" & the final song: LTIA 4. Encore was Deception of the Thrush, followed by Red. (amazing how quickly these guys drop their old material - definitely not a nostalgia act!) Sound was good. I caught a few mistakes by the band, but nothing major - everyone seemed to be playing well. The audience was by & large very appreciative - no flashes, quiet during the songs & responding with enthusiastic applause. Some interesting non-musical observations: Mr. Fripp appeared to be in an odd mood. At the conclusion of the set, while the rest of the band was waving the audience & saying thanks, Mr. Fripp placed his guitar in its stand & walked of stage without acknowledging the audience. Mr. Belew's face kind of dropped when he saw Mr. Fripp had already left the stage. This was repeated @ the end of the encores. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:34:26 -0500 From: "Fred and Rosalie Reissig" Subject: GIG REVIEW: November 15th 2003 - Beacon Theatre - New York, New York To preface this review, I am a Johnny-Come-Lately to this present formation (Fripp, Belew, Gunn, and Mastellato) of King Crimson. I skipped the double trio tour (doh!) and I was not aware of the existence of the The ConstrucKtion of Light tour. I attribute this obliviousness to the incredible talents of the Gunn and Mastellato rhythm section to the existing bias in favor of the Bruford and Levin rhythm section. Boy now that I am awe of Trey and Paul I am cursing myself for what I missed, especially now that Fripp is hinting that he is becoming tired of touring and might take a hiatus (ok with that!) or retiring (NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!). Trey Gunn is my favorite bass player now. He is an amazing talent. I have become used to the hyperactive New York audience, attending NYC concerts for almost 30 years. So when they cannot resist the urge to express themselves during the quiet parts of the music last night, I did not get upset. It is just par for the course here. The opening act, Living Colour, came and went for me. I was hoping they would play a half hour, but that was extremely wishful thinking. They played an hour and they did nothing for me. As far as Crimson is concerned, when they played their music I felt this way: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! SOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD! Their music is awe inspiring in its intense complexity. From my aisle seat in Row X of the center orchestra I had clear stereo separation and it was nice and loud. They played almost all of "The Power To Believe", and the songs The Construktion of Light, One Time, Deception of the Thrush, Frame by Frame, and Red. I felt they should not have played Frame by Frame, since that song is more suited the previous incarnation of Crimson. I am content with Fripp, Belew, Gunn, and Mastellato playing music they had a hand in creating. As far as Red is concerned, that piece is an exception, in that it transcends time very nicely from 1974 to the present. All in all I hope they come back soon. I am ready for another fix soon. In the mean time I will enjoy the incredible DVD. Go see them. I forgot to mention they also played Larks Tongues in Aspic Part IV. My apologies. Fred Reissig ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1156 *********************************