Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1154 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1154 Monday, 10 November 2003 Today's Topics: Re: virus ET Spam-Virus Crimson post problems? two observations 21st Century Schizoid Band in London? Flash Photos revisited... King Crimson @ Warfield, San Francisco Robert Fripp's Future My thoughts on 21st. Century Schizoid Man Fripp's Soundscapes Anyone for the Chicago Park West show? charts Re: KC on SNL & Travel Weary Capricorn Composite Vicar Thoughts on Roberts aversion to violation GIG REVIEW: San Francisco, Warfield, Nov 2 GIG REVIEW: 11/2/03 San Francisco GIG REVIEW: Warfield Theater, San Francisco GIG REVIEW: Crimson in Chicago ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Mike Dickson (ET Newsletter distribution/subscriptions) Nadim S. Haque (ET Webmaster) Toby Howard (ET founder and Newsletter Moderator) Dan Kirkdorffer (ET Webmaster Emeritus) The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b. If you'd like to donate to the upkeep of ET, please press the "Donate" button at ETWeb. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:38:54 -0600 From: John Michael Beard Subject: Re: virus >Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:51:25 +0000 (GMT) >From: Bryce Sutherland >Subject: Virus > >WARNING: I got sent an e-mail with the title "Re: In The Court Of A >Fripp-Less Crim". I thought it was authentic, but it had an attachment that >looked VERY suspicious... just a warning to you all. > >PS: Is this the very first King Crimson virus?? > >------------------------------ I have been attacked several times lately with the ET list as the supposed origination. Anti-virus catching them all so far. John Michael Beard www.elvibes.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.528 / Virus Database: 324 - Release Date: 10/16/03 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 01:41:29 -0000 From: "Steve Goodman" Subject: ET Spam-Virus In ET #1153, Bryce Sutherland put forth: > Subject: Virus > > WARNING: I got sent an e-mail with the title "Re: In The Court Of A > Fripp-Less Crim". I thought it was authentic, but it had an attachment that > looked VERY suspicious... just a warning to you all. > > PS: Is this the very first King Crimson virus?? I have to say I got the exact same, though if you looked at the bottom it proves to be a fragment. I still have mine in quarantine. What was the filename attachment in your case? Mine was sarah.doc.pif - not a Word doc at all, of course, but certainly raised my eyebrows since that's my wife's name. Here's the header: >Received: from cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.21]) > >Received: from modem-2023.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.55.231] >helo=k0r0r3) > by cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) > id 1AEXpO-0001hR-G8; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:40:22 +0000 >From: "Stephen King" >Subject: Re: In the Court of the Fripp-less Crim! Inquiries to fsnet.co.uk have been unanswered. Anyone else? What was your filename? Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:37:37 -0000 From: "Mike Dennis" Subject: Crimson post problems? PLEASE - if you post this can you not use my e-mail address, you'll see why when you read it - thanks Hi Re Bryce Sutherland's comment on a possible virus from this forum. I too contributed recently and have since received four e-mails with a Crimson subject line, one of which contained the Bugbear virus and two others an attachment with a virus (PCs are my living so I know the signs). The curious thing is that I have three e-mail accounts, and I got one of the e-mails to an account I have never used on this forum (I don't mention KC anywhere else!). So watch out, a contributor to this forum is trying to mess it up for the rest of us. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 23:03:42 +0100 From: "Karl Boman" Subject: two observations Hello ETers, This is my first posting to ET so I hope all goes well... :) Firstly, today Swedish television aired Berlioz' Requiem (a big thing - three choirs, two orchestras, Sir Colin Davis and the Royal Albert Hall) and in the very last piece, I heard a very familiar cluster of notes. After thinking hard for several minutes, it came to me - it's the strings making the exact same sound as the soundscape in the beginning of KC's "Requiem" on Beat. Likely just a coincidence, but it's a good one! Secondly - if I were to pay money to look at another person, Robert Fripp would not be my first choice. I don't think he would be in the top one hundred, to be honest... cheers, Karl Boman ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 00:52:07 +0100 From: Per Wilhelmsson Subject: 21st Century Schizoid Band in London? Did anyone see their gig in London on the 31st? How was it? I would really have liked to see them but they didn't tour Scandinavia. /Per, Stockholm, Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 20:36:10 -0600 From: John Trevethan Subject: Flash Photos revisited... For anyone wanting to witness the effects of a flash photograph on RF/KC simply pop in the second disc of the Eyes Wide Open DVD. Under "Improvising Crimson" play Conegliano Improv: Mastelotto Maximatamus - the flash occurs around 1:34. It is said that a picture is worth a thousand words, and this section of the DVD speaks volumes. Notice RF's facial expression and body language. The flash happens just as Robert begins playing a note, then he reacts to the flash and next pauses for a moment. Wherever he was going he never gets there, and neither does the band. It is so obvious that the life just drains out of that imnprov. In fact there are numerous flashes throughout this piece... was this the show Robert said wasn't a gig, but a photo shoot? Anyone who wonders what's so bad about flash photographs at a KC show needs to watch this section. Speaking of the new DVD: I like it! The two discs present different ends of the Crimson spectrum. Disc 1 shows the band as a well-oiled machine playing tightly with a great mix, spiffy lights and excellent camera work. Disc 2 is full of raw energy, lots of improvisation and a mix that allows me to hear every nuance of Trey's playing (which is simply wonderful). It's been interesting to watch Trey move out of the shadows so to speak, and into the greater recognition that he deserves. Ditto with P@t, this version of KC continues to move me as it continually moves forward. -- John Trevethan -------------- A R T O F T H E G R O O V E Web solutions for the entertainment industry. http://www.artofthegroove.com/j_t.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 14:18:40 -0800 From: Shane Otis Subject: King Crimson @ Warfield, San Francisco It's always great to see King Crimson, one of my favorite bands ever. I've seen them numerous times since they reformed and started touring again in '94. Often, I've seen them multiple times on the same tour, as I did again last night. I will say, however, that I was a bit disappointed in last night's set. That's not to say that I'm complaining... I love the band and whatever they have to offer. However, I would've liked them to change it up a bit last night. Considering the band played here 6 months ago and the same people attend their shows every time they come around, it seems that they could have changed up the set since last time, or at least the order of the set. When I saw them on the original 'Level 5' tour it was cool to see them play new material and take on new direction. When I saw them last March for the first leg of TPTB tour, it was phenomenal to see how the band had improved those songs and taken them to the next level. Last night, it seemed sorta rushed compared to last time. There were no real improvs to speak of. The songs they played were in tip top form, very well rehearsed from being on tour for a while, but seemed a tad rushed from my point of view. Also, they played almost the exact same set, in pretty much the same order as last March! They left out a couple of notables this time, though - Eyes Wide Open, and ProzaKC Blues. Other than that, it was the same. Closed with Elephant Talk and Red. Now don't get me wrong, I'm very grateful for the classics that they played, but couldn't they change it up a little? Maybe Frame By Frame instead of ET, LTIA pt whatever (old) instead of Red? Three of a Perfect Pair or something? Sex Sleep Eat Drink Dream instead of Dinosaur again? Perhaps I'm being picky, I think I would've enjoyed the show more if they'd changed it from the last time around. Even if they'd mixed up the order of the setlist, that would have made it a bit less predictable. -- Shane Otis http://www.youreinuranus.com "The adaptation to warlike aims and activities has corrupted the mentality of man; as a result, intelligent, objective and humane thinking has hardly any effect and is even suspected and persecuted as unpatriotic" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:54:35 -0500 From: "vze6n8vs" Subject: Robert Fripp's Future I don't know how many of you have been following RF's diary, but it appears that his withdrawal from public performance is fairly imminent. In his 10.28.03 entry, he clearly states that were every audience as supportive and generous as the Anaheim one, performance would be "part of his future." So basically, the pressures of composing, recording, touring, etc. have taken their toll on a man to whom music is far more precious than industry. I felt rumblings of this sentiment when RF used to refer to himself not as a crucial element in KC, but as merely "an accident in its development." So, if I may be so bold as to predict based on the past, perhaps we're about to see another KC hiatus. That being said, I choose to remain objective about whatever RF decides to do, since it's his life, and goodness knows he's paid his tab when it comes to contributing to the unfolding Creation, to use his own expression. In fact, a withdrawal from the public eye may prove beneficial in other ways. From what I understand, RF is directing his energies toward Guitar Craft in escalating amounts, which is great news in my opinion. My impetus behind this post is to make a suggestion regarding RF's possible contributions to music and life in general, post-KC and post-music industry. I'm not sure if this has been offered as a topic before, but wouldn't it be conceivable for Robert to write a book? Or several? It has always been a private (selfish) wish of mine to have a guitar method text of some sort written by Fripp. And with his possible self-removal from music as a career, a personal memoirs could also be conceivably forthcoming. Even RF's online diaries could be compiled into a single binding. I'd buy it. Anyway, just an idea...Robert can do whatever he desires for his own center. Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:15:12 -0700 From: "Jon" Subject: My thoughts on 21st. Century Schizoid Man Stop me if you've heard this one before... There's this song by King Crimson called 21st. Century Schizoid Man. Here's the video they wanted to make... Song starts out real soft then gets loud & dramatic. There's a giant chicken sitting on a huge gleaming golden throne. It screams out the first verses then lifts off into space for it's journey through the instrumental part of the song. Near the end it gets real dramatic again & lands on a brightly lit planet of chickens, lots of smoke... Screams out the last verse & takes off spinning around. Suddenly the music stops & so does the throne. The chicken looks down, smiles, the music starts up again, the throne spins off into space & the song ends with all the other chickens screaming their heads off. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:39:52 -0800 From: "Reid Black" Subject: Fripp's Soundscapes What's the deal with Fripp's Soundscapes? Are they all live recordings with the exception of The Gates of Paradise? Which one is considered the best? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:16:09 -0600 From: Shane Subject: Anyone for the Chicago Park West show? No one I know in Chicago likes King Crimson and my girlfriend, who is into punk music, refuses to go. Anyone else in this situation want to make the best of it? I'm willing to go to either the show on the 8th or the 9th. Thanks, Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:24:12 -0500 From: Gary Davis Subject: charts Hi, folks: I've recently posted the Artist Shop's Top 50 for October at . For those interested, here are some rankings for some KC/Fripp related artists. 1. Sylvian, David Gone to Earth + Bonus CD, double 2. Van der Graaf Generator Godbluff Live 1975 DVD 6. Sylvian, David Alchemy - An Index of Possibilities + Bonus CD 7. Sylvian, David Brilliant Trees + Bonus CD 8. Sylvian, David Secrets of the Beehive + Bonus CD 13. Gunn, Trey Untune the Sky CD + DVD 20. Rain Tree Crow Rain Tree Crow RM CD 22. Asia Live in Buffalo CD, double 24. Family Family Live CD 31. King Crimson Eyes Wide Open DVD 37. Asia Live at Hyogo CD, double 46. Japan Tin Drum RM CD Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Artist Shop Radio Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:24:22 -0500 From: jimab at rogers dot com Subject: Re: KC on SNL & Travel Weary Capricorn >Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:15:47 -0500 >From: "Jordan Clifford" >Unless my memory is confusing part 1 with part >2, but I'm almost postitive it is the crazy, screaching part in the opening >of LTIA 1. Yes, it is confusing you. LTiA 1 starts with a quiet percussion improv featuring Jamie Muir's thumb-piano and gradually builds to a crescendo. LTiA 2 comes out of a screeching end to The Talking Drum >Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:02:14 EST >From: JacobVB at aol dot com >Any other Crimsoids out there interested in astrology as well? Not me. I prefer reality. James Bailey host: Electric Storm / A Missing Sense CKLN-FM 88.1 Toronto www.ckln.fm electricstorm at ckln dot fm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:03:14 -0000 From: "Russell Whitworth" Subject: Composite Vicar I think recent attempts to identify the Vicar based on clues from "The Vicar Chronicles" are missing an important distinction. This particular Vicar is clearly a fictitious composite construct, whose identity is not entirely shared with the "real" Vicar of DGM. The fictional Vicar certainly has elements of Brian Eno. And there are also many elements of Robert Fripp - such as the entire Lloyds Syndicate story, and some of the aphorism-influenced dialogue (which could have been lifted from Fripp's diary). At times I also get a mental picture of Peter Sinfield, although this might not be intended by the author. Don't be fooled by the literary misdirection - I don't believe The Vicar is any of these people! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 20:22:32 -0400 From: Chris Ryan Subject: Thoughts on Roberts aversion to violation Here are some thoughts on this whole topic which seems to be taking the bulk of discussion on planet Krim. I get the impression that Robert feels a musician should get out of the way of the music. The music should be the centre of attention - NOT the musicician. When Robert is photographed (or recorded) during performance it drags him into the spotlight taking the place of the music. Maybe what offends him the most is his placement of importance over and above the music. His resepct for the process so great that he feels members of the audience are missing the point and it frustrates him. That and the fact that nobody likes their picture taken without permission. Anyway. Please don't give up on us Robert. What you do has meaning and is important. Chris from Canada ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:12:26 +0000 From: jliss at speakeasy dot net Subject: GIG REVIEW: San Francisco, Warfield, Nov 2 After sitting in the balcony the last couple of times, I was glad I bothered to get a floor ticket to be closer to the action as San Francisco got its fifth visit from the King in three years. And of the four shows I attended, it was the first without a flash photograph, and probably the best. Apart from the aFreebirda guy, meathead yelling was at a minimum and the enthusiasm on the floor very high. I found myself hoarse and desperate for another encore at the end. The setlist was as usual lately; with Robertas talk of retiring from touring, it was nice to have a couple of older numbers. Larksa Tounges IV was just majestic; Deception got its usual smattering of nervous chuckles over the Eliot, and as usual it soared. Any reason Pat was wearing a Roman collar? Father Pat? Consider me absolved a an amazing show. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:58:41 -0800 From: "Eric Heinitz" Subject: GIG REVIEW: 11/2/03 San Francisco John T Moshier's review of the Phoenix show in ET 1153 speaks pretty well for the San Francisco show right down to the attendance of 1,000 people--although the Warfield holds closer to twice that. Yes, we got Schizoid, but by the openers Pigmy Love Circus. In the foyer between sets I overheard a fellow say he could see Fripp in the wings applauding their song choice. BS or truth, I can't say but since they have now done it more than once, I would think it's with the band's blessing. We also got two Fripps, as sister Patricia was once again in attendance. Always a pleasure. Although I was there last March, a mere eight months between shows, the renditions felt different. Less Pat and Trey, more guitars from both Adrian and RF, Adrian's voice sounded healthy, and the second encore Red was as best as I've seen. I never thought the '81 Crim's Red had enough "Big Bottom" as Spinal Tap might say, but they sure did Sunday night. I saw no evidence on Fripp's reported growing distaste for touring. All four fellers seemed to having super fun in a band in which they all seemed pretty comfortable. Twenty-Five American dollars well spent, says this correspondent. P.S. The first encore had the same name as this newsletter. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:22:32 -0800 From: "Cort and Deb Snyder" Subject: GIG REVIEW: Warfield Theater, San Francisco I've seen Crimson play on most tours since their Starless and Bible Black tour in 1974. The San Francisco Warfield gig, November 2 will stand out in my memory as one of their best, if not the best I have attended. The sound was great from my position on the floor, second from the stage, between Adrian and Robert. The past couple of times Crimson has played the Warfield, there hasn't been an opening act. This time, Pigmy Love Circus warmed-up the crowd, and I think this was an important factor in why this night was so special. Even though I spent most of their set trying to figure out whether or not the Pigmy's lead singer was some sort of a disgruntled Vietnam vet, or was making an attempt at parody or something in between, I think the Pigmy's set achieved it's goal. Perhaps Crimson should always tour with an opening act? Thanks guys, for a memorable evening. Cort Snyder ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 18:12:44 -0500 From: "Mark Stansbery" Subject: GIG REVIEW: Crimson in Chicago Pardon the length of the post. Hey, they played for almost 2 hours... Live Crim is the best Crim. I know that is not news to the readers here, but it needed to be said. Park West turns out to be a near ideal venue for enjoying King Crimson. There is room up front for those of us who want to stand up close, and then tiered seating including some small tables and booth type arrangements. The place is square, with the stage set up in one corner, affording a good view from anywhere, including the balcony. The only real downside was the server bringing drinks to the folks in front of us and standing in our view while they exchanged alcohol for $$. No, let's make that $$$, as a bottle of Bass was $6, which kept me sober and with eyes wide open. On to the music: Robert started what turned out to be a beautiful soundscape at 7:05. He left the stage at 7:15 and the 'scape was allowed to continue for another 10 minutes. At 7:30 sharp the band came on and opened with The Construction of Light. My dismay at the initial poor mix was gone by about 4 minutes into the music when all parts became well balanced and clear. The Power to Believe 1 was next, leading into Level 5, which is even heavier and more monstrous than it was back in 2000 when it debuted. Trey and Robert really shine on this. Prozac Blues - the band had a bit of fun mixing up the tempo, as on the Eyes Wide Open DVD. Facts of Life - a far cry from when I saw it performed for the first time in Nashville at 12th and Porter with only "response to stimuli" as lyrics. Fripp was so wrapped up in his solo on this piece that he almost stood up from his stool! - and received an ovation from the audience. Electric led into TPTB 2 which made for a nice contrast. Dinosaur - at a fairly fast tempo, and with another outburst from Fripp on the coda that got a huge response from the crowd. One Time was another sweet reprieve from the intensity of the evening's music. HWWYHTBHW was great fun with some great downright funky Mastelotto drumming thrown in. Dangerous Curves has also evolved from its Nashville days in 2001. It was the perfect lead-in to Larks IV, on which both Robert and Adrian were relentless. That ended to main show. Fripp applauded the audience and his band-mates. The encore was a beautiful Deception of the Thrush followed with Frame By Frame. The crowd was insistent and Crimson were willing, so they ended the night with a stellar version of Red. A high point of the concert for myself, was enjoying it in the company of a first time King Crimson audient. As I waited in line outside the venue, I struck up a conversation with a young man who turned out to be from Brazil and in the United States working on a masters degree in music at the University of Iowa. A friend of his saw KC in Phoenix and told him he had to go whatever the cost, so he bought a Greyhound ticket and headed to Chicago. Needless to say, he really enjoyed the show. And so did I. ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1154 *********************************