Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1152 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1152 Tuesday, 28 October 2003 Today's Topics: CRIMSON TICKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kingston NY Show 11/14/2003 the noise and three of a perfect pair VIDEOS East Enders & KC Re: EASTENDERS Crim Lyrics The Vicar/Ian Anderson Can't get enough Frippertronics? Travel Weary Capricorn KCCC Releases Peter Gabriel SACD reissues criticisms of my criticisms of EWO DVD Re: Yes on DGM? Trey Gunn Best of? Do as I say Eno is the Vicar Eno Comment/Bryan Ferry/Bono Unhappy without what I don't have to not be unhappy without Re: DVD ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Mike Dickson (ET Newsletter distribution/subscriptions) Nadim S. Haque (ET Webmaster) Toby Howard (ET founder and Newsletter Moderator) Dan Kirkdorffer (ET Webmaster Emeritus) The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b. If you'd like to donate to the upkeep of ET, please press the "Donate" button at ETWeb. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:22:55 -0400 From: "Barry Mortenson" Subject: CRIMSON TICKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KING CRIMSON , LIVE @ THE BEACON THEATRE , SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 15 , WITH SPECIAL GUESTS "IN LIVING COLOUR". WE HAVE 2 PREMIER TICKETS, MUST SELL , GOING OUT OF TOWN ON BIZ. PLEASE, CONTACT @ cashdoctor2002 at yahoo dot com. Thank you for your assistance with this matter, BARRY ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:45:13 -0400 From: "Jim Loman" Subject: Kingston NY Show 11/14/2003 Anybody know the venue contact information and how to get tickets for the Crimson show? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:41:18 -0700 From: "Joe Degregorio" Subject: the noise and three of a perfect pair VIDEOS Hello fellow ETers. I was wondering if anyone out there had a copy/could make a copy of the above-referenced vidoes. I amd reticent to give up my VCR just yet. It's a real nice (and pricey) Toshiba. If you think you can provide me with a copy please contact me at jdegregorio at lycos dot com and we and discuss price and picture/audio quality. Thank you. Have a great day. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:39:24 EDT From: GORTAY at aol dot com Subject: East Enders & KC There have been a few posts about the surprise inclusion of "Red" in East Enders. It's strange that all the posts, including my own, said something like 'I just happened to overhear' or 'it was on someone else's telly'. Where is the person who is gonna say "well, I was sitting down with a can of special brew, a packet of capstan full strength and a big bowl of Doritos to watch my favourite evah tv programme........."? Strangely enough though I did just happen to turn over at that very moment to watch the following programme. Even stranger though, when his Bobness made his charismatic (hem hem) appearance on "I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here" I had also just switched over, at that very second, to watch the following programme. Ditto on the 2 occasssions when "ITCOCK" was played on 'Heartbeat'. Now, I ask myself, are there strange forces at work in the universe which cause me to hit the remote every time KC appear on tv - or is it that I have such a short attention span that I'm bound to catch it because in any given minute I have sampled all the channels at least 3 times? Gordy. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:36:49 -0400 From: "Jon Woodworth" Subject: Re: EASTENDERS Neil Waters Wrote: >>A BIT OF NEWS YOU WON'T KNOW ABOUT IN THE UK THERE IS A SOAP DRAMA CALLED >>EASTENDERS >>AND IN A SCENE RED WAS PLAYED IN AN UPSTAIRS FLAT TO PISS OFF THE DOWNSTAIRS >>NEIBOUR. IT WOULDN'T HAVE UPSET ME I CAN TELL YOU. I get noise complaints from my downstairs neighbor pretty frequently. More often than not, I am either not making any noise or not even home! So every once in a while, I like to remind them that I have the power to wreak true sonic havoc by repeatedly playing the coda to Fracture (starting right when the guitar kicks in after the quiet section) very loudly. I've never tried it with Red. Next time I get an undeserved complaint, I'll have to keep that in mind. Needless to say, I don't think these people are Crimson fans. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:04:01 -0400 From: "josh chasin" Subject: Crim Lyrics In all honesty and all due respect, I never even listen to the words in Crimson songs. Certainly not since the double duo. While some of the previous stuff with Belew was actually "songs" per se-- "One Time", "Heartbeat"-- I tend to see the work nowadays more as pieces of music, and the vocals are just another instrument. I could have actually lived with an all-instrumental album on the Power to Believe, and I tend not to "hear" the lyrics, except for the sound that the vocals make. And that's no shot at Ade; I suspect he sees it that way too. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:18:52 -0400 From: "Steven Paul Rewa B.S." Subject: The Vicar/Ian Anderson I got a laugh out of RotateyDiskers in ET 1049 when he/she mentioned thinking that the Vicar resembled Ian Anderson. Of course Ian isn't the vicar, but it did remind me of the Jethro Tull tune "Left Right" off the long unreleased Chateau D'Isaster tapes that you can find on Nightcap. You have an angel on your shoulder But you wear the old god's horns. And you dance around the maypole While the vicar makes a toast To the pagan celebration And extends an invitation to us all So he can save us when we fall. Anon, -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:58:23 -0700 (PDT) From: caspian at peak dot org Subject: Can't get enough Frippertronics? Check out the self-titled CD by E. Fisch, available from CD Baby. This is all sustained/ processed/ looped 'n' layered electric guitar VERY reminiscent of F-tronics/ Soundscapes style. Of course Mr. Fisch has his own feeling for melody, timbre and texture which differentiates his work from that of RF, but I think those who enjoy one would enjoy the other. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:05:50 -0400 From: "Steven Paul Rewa B.S." Subject: Travel Weary Capricorn I was listening to the song "Travel Weary Capricorn" and started thinking to myself about how that phrase was supposed to be interpreted. The two possibilities that I was considering are first, that the Capricorn is being described by the adjective "Travel-weary," and secondly that the "Weary Capricorn" is being given the command to travel. Thirst case suggests sympathy on the part of the speaker who recognizes the woes of the subject and makes a point of addressing the subject in terms of those hardships. The second suggests a lack of consideration given that the speaker recognizes the weariness of the subject but bids him depart anyway. The speaker then says to "move on to another dawn" reiterating the command. This suggests that the command may be implied in the first line, even if it isn't expressly intended that way. The speaker seems to be saying that there's nothing he can do for the subject and that he should move on. At the same time the voice doesn't sound malicious or particularly comforting. It seems to me almost devoid of emotion, which is probably the reason I find it so hard to interpret it clearly. The speaker is able to predict that "tired and torn you will be reborn." I get the idea that the speaker is some sort of omniscient oracle to which the Capricorn has come for advice. The oracle would not likely have any emotional attachment to the subject and might therefore adopt the attitude that "You have what you came for, now travel." Then again, if the speaker was aware that the subject would find the redemption that he seeks, but only through hardship and sorrow, an otherwise joyous message would be tempered with bitterness and would be delivered with a mix of emotions that would be hard for me to read. Anyway, those are my thoughts about it. There are other interpretations, of course. I'm curious to hear what you think of my ideas and any alternatives you might have. Along those same lines, what other lyrics have you been puzzling over? I don't mean questions about what the words ARE, but when we know the words, what do they mean to us? I think it might be a fun discussion. Anon, -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:40:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Gerard York Subject: KCCC Releases I am indeed excited about the upcoming Muir-era KCCC release (shipping 10/27 per the DGM website), but even more so about the next scheduled release, the 1969 Fillmore Concert. Does anyone have information on that release and the quality? Perhaps the bootleg donor/source is an ET reader.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:12:36 +0100 From: Andrew Jones Subject: Peter Gabriel SACD reissues > I haven't had a chance to hear the Gabriel SACDs yet, but they are all > single layer (not compatible with standard CD players) with the exception > of "Up", a hybrid disc. In North America, yes. However in Europe EMI have reissued them all as hybrids- but they do not have seemed to hae replaced the standard CDs in the shops. I just received my copy of the new Crim DVD in the mail. I immediately loaded the 2003 Japanese performance into the DVD player, dimmed the lights, and cranked it up. Then, as I watched, I took out my trusty digital camera and snapped over 200 flash photographs as I watched and listened. It was exhilerating, I tell you! Exhilerating! WHen I watch the Shepard's Bush disc, I plan to smoke. Oh, how I laughed. Remember Fripp can feel your bad vibes wherever you are... Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:37:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Wasser Subject: criticisms of my criticisms of EWO DVD To those who sent emails directly to me and to those who posted to ET: I must admit, I had a good chuckle, reading your responses to my criticisms. The fact is: I AM a Crim fan ... and have been since ITCOTCK was released. And I've seen 'em in concert oh, maybe 7 times and been disappointed only once (a couple of years ago at Lisner in DC ... their next-to-last night of the tour ... they phoned it in, it seemed to me). The fact is: I get a little tired of people praising Crim over and over and over again without (seemingly) ever criticising ... or, at least, being objective. So, I wanted to mix it up a little. Bigq deal. One direct response to Scott: Fracktured was NOT a distant memory. I saw 'em at the 9:30 Club (in D.C.) during that tour and Fracktured was the best song of the night. And BTW ... my favorite Crim CD is Beat! (Well, now, maybe it's TPTB.) Dan P.S. Their Nov. 17th appearance at the State Theater has been removed from the tour schedule. I'm hoping that there's a DC appearance because I will definitely be there ... in the flesh! No cardboard cutouts for me! LOL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:34:48 -0600 From: Don Hosek Subject: Re: Yes on DGM? >I was looking through the DGM catalog and saw that all the Yes albums have >been remastered (again) with additional bonus tracks. Anyone know as to >how or why DGM got the rights to those recordings from Atlantic? They didn't DGM sells a lot of stuff recorded on other labels. Although they've been officially backing out of this role, the mail order business is to some extent acting as a one-stop prog shop. -dh -- Don Hosek, bassist http://don.dream-in-color.net/ Dream in Color - http://www.dream-in-color.net/ http://www.mp3.com/DreamInColor/ 312/498-9727 don at dream-in-color dot net The double bass is also called the bass viol, string bass, and bass fiddle. It has so many names because it is so huge. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:11:28 -0800 (PST) From: rone at ennui dot org (roger n. tospott) Subject: Trey Gunn Best of? > From: Dario Tortora > It seems that the long-time planned "best of" is ready and it will be out > on the 3rd of November. There's this info page here: > Aw, man, i was really hoping he'd add full studio versions of some or all of the new tracks from Road Journals, especially Fossil. rone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:55:50 -0000 From: "neil mcnaught" Subject: Do as I say "The right hand seems to deviate from the "orthodox" GC right hand position" Can we expect 'Do as I say & not as I do' to be included in the Guitar craft aphorisms? :) Best N ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:32:10 EST From: GORTAY at aol dot com Subject: Eno is the Vicar Following on from speculation that Brian Eno is the Vicar, I offer conclusive proof. He played a priest in 'Father Ted'. Q.E.D. (OK I know that, strictly speaking, a priest and a vicar aren't the same but even so..........) Gordy. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:51:18 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Patrick Gaudin Subject: Eno Comment/Bryan Ferry/Bono Many have brought up the quote of Eno saying he left Roxy Music because two non-musicians were a liability (referring to himself and Bryan Ferry). I have several vintage films of Roxy Music performing while Eno was still in the band. Ferry seems to hold his own on the keyboard, albeit not of the caliber of Keith Emerson, but somewhat competent. I suppose Eno could be referring to neither of them being classically trained nor having the abilitqy to read music. Maybe someone can elaborate as to what he meant. I'm not sure why it would even be an issue - in rock music, it isn't how good of a musician you are but how good your hair. Byan Ferry's hair was (and still is) always immaculate. If he (Ferry) were always bald, Phil Manzanera would probably still be a no-name (at least in this circle of kooks reading these articles (myself included)), and Daniel Lanois would be the lone producer of U2 (if at all). Has Bono thanked Bryan Ferry lately I wonder? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:44:23 EST From: Boobird at aol dot com Subject: Unhappy without what I don't have to not be unhappy without Dear Folks -- Sitting here on a cold fall night lamenting the lack of a hibernation clause in my work contract, and no King Crimson in Minneapolis (unless the schedule changed yet again). Perhaps they will play the Ice Fishing Festival at Gull Lake in January (John Paul Jones opening with a custom version of "Ice Fishing at Night," of course). With the impending dormancy/demise of the band, one wonders about the notion of a Fripp-less Crimson, or ProjeKct renewal with or without Mr. Fripp. To give a quick opinion of each possibility. I realize that many people are aghast at the idea of Crimson without Robert, but why if Crimson music is just "out there waiting to be played" can that music be channeled through only one person? Or am I just ignorant about the whole connectedness thing? Granted it is only Crimsonesque, but each ProjeKct brought forth unique and fascinating music (so there must also be ProjeKct music "just waiting to be played"). It would be wonderful to go through each permutation of the four (five? six? more?) current members of King Crimson and hear what happens. The Rhythm Buddies is certainly one of those permutations, and what a joyous clatter they make. Just some thoughts to see what others say. Back to the nice warming fire (oops, no fireplace...). Happy listening! -- Mark Newstrom np: Masque 1-13, ProjeKct 3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 03:01:15 -0500 From: Tim Donovan Subject: Re: DVD thanks fo da heads up. i jus' had me a lil' smoke and 3 or 4 stella artois' and checked this out on the headphones real loud. mighty fine. mighty fine indeed. >Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 03:09:52 -0500 >From: "sportsterrpm1" >Subject: DVD > >Hi Ho !!! > >I've been reading alot of reviews of " EYE'S WIDE OPEN " the latest King >Crimson release in E.T.. I find many to be way too judgemental. I >personally saw King Crimson in Boston last November. This DVD is a true and >honest representation of the band in "ACTION" !!!! Yes , There are places >where it jumps around too much... But overall there are many, many >extraordinary moments to be enjoyed. This is really worth owning..And If >you live in the stoneage... This is worth buying a DVD player for...Hi Ho >!!! . ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1152 *********************************