Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1151 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1151 Saturday, 25 October 2003 Today's Topics: Fripp In Vanity Fair Magazine re the vicar unfrocked The Vicar's Identity Fripp In Vanity Fair vicar/anthony phillips Eastender's Noise War Yes on DGM? DVD Who is the Vicar? Re: Sunday All Over The World: unreleased tracks Dan's review in Elephant Talk #1149 Criticism; hi Dr. Marshall; Providence Chicago 11-9-03 2 tickets for sale Re: venue in Southern NE; An act of God?; LP edition of ITWOP Re: Eyes Wide Open DVD Respect Trey Gunn "best of" Alice's cover of Islands Peace and Islands Coda Re: Dan's crits of the Eyes Wide Open DVD Fripp in the shadows? ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Mike Dickson (ET Newsletter distribution/subscriptions) Nadim S. Haque (ET Webmaster) Toby Howard (ET founder and Newsletter Moderator) Dan Kirkdorffer (ET Webmaster Emeritus) The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b. If you'd like to donate to the upkeep of ET, please press the "Donate" button at ETWeb. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:43:55 -0500 From: "Alan Atwood" Subject: Fripp In Vanity Fair Magazine I'm not sure if I'm the first to discover this but Robert Fripp made this month's Vanity Fair magazine. The cover of the magazine features the newest in today's popular music that is titled "American Music," featuring the pictures of Norah Jones, Willie Nelson, Queen whats-her-name and the untalented wonder of hemp-hop, Dr. Dre. Featured inside of the magazine in relation to the front cover's subject and various photos of various pop stars (Lou Reed, Marianne Faithful, Def Jam reunion), there is an edition titled "The Rock Snob's Dictionary." This consists of musicians, composers and various terms that a rock snob would have knowledge of. Guess who's name is featured? You guessed it - Robert Fripp. Included to the side of the write-up is one of those black & white illustrations found in a Webster's Dictionary (a terrible illustration at that). Though the write-up wasn't a total hatchet job, it did inform the uninformed reader of Robert's awesomeness and his contribution to music in the past 30 plus years. I find it interesting, as well as frustrating, that a genre that helped define music of the seventies is always ignored in everyone of those music retrospects found in these magazines. Especially in this particular issue of Vanity Fair, they could have pictured Jon Anderson, Steve Howe, Chris Squire, Bill Bruford, Robert Fripp, Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins and others, with the heading: PIONEERS OF PROGRESSION. Alan Houston, Texas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:14:11 +0100 From: David Bowler Subject: re the vicar unfrocked In ET1148, Dan Buxbaum unmasked the vicar as one Anthony Phillips on the basis of this quote: He does not think of himself as a musician. In fact, he famously left the first band he was in, saying that having two non musicians (him and the singer) in the same band was too much of a liability. From memory, said quote actually relates to Brian Eno and his opinions of himself and Bryan Ferry. In which case, the Vicar is Brian Eno and I claim my five pounds. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:18:08 -0500 From: Scott Ranalli Subject: The Vicar's Identity I don't know much about Anthony Phillips other than the songs I hear on some of the Live 365 stations, but I was under the impression that the Vicar might by Brian Eno. All the talk of his work as a producer and the reference to leaving his first band because of two non-musicians, etc. brought me to this answer. In addition, the tone of the journal, which switches from self-absorbed to self-deprecating, seems to point to him as well. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:14:05 -0500 From: "Alan Atwood" Subject: Fripp In Vanity Fair I'm not sure if I'm the first to discover this but Robert Fripp Made this month's Vanity Fair magazine. The cover of the magazine features the newest in today's popular music that is titled "American Music," featuring the pictures of Norah Jones, Willie Nelson, Queen whats-her-name and the untalented wonder of hemp-hop, Dr. Dre. Featured inside of the magazine in relation to the front cover's subject and various photos of various pop stars, there is an edition titled "The Rock Snob's Encyclopedia." This consists of musicians, composers and various terms that a rock snob would have knowledge of. Guess who's name is featured? You guessed it - Robert Fripp. Though the write-up wasn't a total hatchet job, it did inform the uninformed reader of Robert's awesomeness and his contribution to music in the past 30 plus years. Alan Houston, Texas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:49:28 +0200 From: Duncan James Subject: vicar/anthony phillips sorry,- but anthony phillips, first genesis guitarist and probably the nicest of blokes, is A vicar, just not THE vicar of dgm diary note. tut tut. you obviously missed the clear hint THE vicar gave several month`s ago when he recalled producing a certain number of tracks on a certain album by a certain (fairly well known ) band. all missing details are checkable from the relevant diary entry. the band/album/song`s produced all exist. but like i said, it looks like you missed that one. duncan james zurich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:06:47 +0100 From: Steve Dinsdale Subject: Eastender's Noise War British soap/drama Eastenders currently has a storyline about a woman who is being persecuted by the nasty cockney bloke who lives in the flat (apartment) above her. Morning noon and night he plays loud music and just when she thinks it's gone quiet, it starts up again. Her attempts to sell the flat have all been ruined by Mr nasty's hi-fi. Last week he upped the ante a notch further by unleashing his deadliest weapon, RED. (original version). Into the homes of unsuspecting millions comes another Crimson classic ! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:26:58 -0700 From: "Reid Black" Subject: Yes on DGM? Dear Fellow Elephant Talkers, I was looking through the DGM catalog and saw that all the Yes albums have been remastered (again) with additional bonus tracks. Anyone know as to how or why DGM got the rights to those recordings from Atlantic? Reid ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 03:09:52 -0500 From: "sportsterrpm1" Subject: DVD Hi Ho !!! I've been reading alot of reviews of " EYE'S WIDE OPEN " the latest King Crimson release in E.T.. I find many to be way too judgemental. I personally saw King Crimson in Boston last November. This DVD is a true and honest representation of the band in "ACTION" !!!! Yes , There are places where it jumps around too much... But overall there are many, many extraordinary moments to be enjoyed. This is really worth owning..And If you live in the stoneage... This is worth buying a DVD player for...Hi Ho !!! . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:41:44 +0100 From: "Mike Dennis" Subject: Who is the Vicar? Well, from RotateyDiskers hints (issue 149) it can only be Brian Eno (particularly the bit about not room for two musicians in a band). But then RD could be fooling us as much as RF! -- As for the question about an Original pressing of Islands, I bought it when if first came out in the UK and it had the Coda on it. Regards Mike Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:12:15 +0200 From: Dario Tortora Subject: Re: Sunday All Over The World: unreleased tracks >UNRELEASED SONGS >1. Cool Heart >2. Furnace >3. Requite Me >4. Born Again >5. The Big Sleep (Fripp, Fripp tour only) >6. Worst In Me >7. Stone Throwers >8. Screaming Head >9. In The Big Dream >10. Idiot Dancing > >There are also two songs from these tours that ended up on Toyah's >post-SAOTW album Ophelia's Shadow (which featured basically the same >musicians). These tracks are: > >11. Brilliant Day >12. Lords Of The Never Known > >So, essentially we have 12 non-album SAOTW tracks. Enough to justify an >archive release I'd say. Me too!! I _love_ the SAOTW record and this is an incredible news! Let's hope the VL will release something sooner or later... Dario -- - Mac OS for productivity. UNIX for stability. Palm OS for mobility. Windows for solitaire. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:59:15 -0400 From: Randall dot Hammill at hartfordlife dot com Subject: Dan's review in Elephant Talk #1149 OK, I had a long, sarcastic and mean-spirited (but fun) response to Dan's review of the new DVD. Instead, I'll just cut to the chase ... Yeah, but was it a hot date? Did they just give you a thank you and a kiss on the cheek, or did they invite you upstairs for a nightcap? Randy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:50:24 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: Criticism; hi Dr. Marshall; Providence You know it's Elephant Talk when . . . >I barely saw Trey's "sloping" bass line (or does one of Pat's triggers make that sound?) on Level Five. If you don't know where the sound comes from, it's hard to look there. >The music seems too quiet at times. I can understand the boys' desire to save their eardrums, but isn't Crimson supposed to scorch a bit? Is *your* volume cranked on your playback unit? >Mr. Fripp, must you remain in the shadows? Have you no respect for your audience? Is this an act of disrespect? or maybe . . . ?? >We pay money to SEE, as well as hear, you. And the money you pay entitles you to . . . ?? >The biggest crime? No FraKctured! Were you at the shows during the time this was recorded? FraKctured was a distant memory by then. But then, amazingly: >P.S. Can't wait to see 'em on Nov. 17 in Virginia! I'll bet they can't wait to see a cardboard cutout of you there, too. In your white T-shirt and rumpled hair, looking like you just got out of bed. >Well, I personally don't care about DVDs and won't buy Eyes Wide Open. I just want the audio and am happy it will be released. This concert contains the most moving Trey solo on a DOTT (IMO) and I can't wait to hear the properly mixed version. Otherwise it's the umpteenth club CD, nobody's waiting for totally new and unreleased material anymore... I love the DVD - and I'm waiting for totally new and unreleased material too. But I think I'll have to wait a long time before more bread is cast upon these waters. >Guess some nice pennies of royalties for Robert and the boys and perhaps a first for KC? I hope so Dr. Dave. Great to see your byline in here. >Was Providence named for the city? Meaning it was a live improv. recorded and placed on the Red Album, like Fracture etc. Or was it just named for the actual meaning: "an act of God?" I think the original idea was (a) but then (b) occurred to them later as a possibility. What do you think? - S. np: the washing machine scottst at ohsu dot edu [ Yes, and you know it's Elephant Talk when . . . some posters seem unable to quote previous ET posts correctly, with the simple insertion of "> " at the start of each line, which all other ETers seem to be able to do quite easily. And you know it's Elephant Talk when . . . the Moderator, bless his infinitely huge heart, still happily puts up with it. -- Toby ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:34:19 -0400 From: "Randy Bayers" Subject: Chicago 11-9-03 2 tickets for sale hey.. i've had to change my plans (since the Ween show on 11-8 sold out) so now i have to sell my KC tix for 11-9 and get some for 11-8.... so, i've got my tickets for the 11-9 sunday night show up on eBay (i'm only asking a little below face value), so buy them or email me with an offer please.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16122&item=2198287068 RBayers at bellsouth dot net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:59:06 -0400 From: David Vella Subject: Re: venue in Southern NE; An act of God?; LP edition of ITWOP Elephant Talk wrote: > My Fellow Krimsonizers, > ......I do hope that Crimson can find a venue to play here in > Connecticut. Possibly Springfeild, or Northampton, Mass.might be an > altenate choice. Robert likes Northampton as he has said in past diary > entries. Here's hoping Crimson can find a place to play around > here....Peace, Rick Let me second all of this. However, it may be more difficult than it seems. The Paramount in Springfield, where I saw the double trio in Nov., '95, is no more. It was the right type of venue. I'm afraid the other venues in Springfield (and ditto for Northampton) are either too small (e.g., the Iron Horse) or too large (e.g., the Springfield Civic Center.) But hey, I live near Albany, so any show along rt 91 would cut my driving time in half - much better than driving all the way to Boston. Even better - come to Albany! As was stated in a previous issue of ET, the Egg is a possible venue. The Troy Music Hall may be another. KC has lots of fans in the area! For fans in Southwestern Connecticut, too, the drive to Albany is not much further than the drive to Northampton. > > ------------------------------ Nicholas asks: > Was Providence named for the city? Meaning it was a live improv. recorded > and placed on the Red Album, like Fracture etc. Or was it just named for > the actual meaning: "an act of God?" > It is indeed from the Providence, RI show, so I assume it was named for the city. This is a habit of KC (for example, the song Peoria from Earthbound). On the other hand, considering how good it is, why not regard it as an 'act of God' - how often are improvs so successful? > 1. Was there "Peace A Theme" on side two of the first LP edition of > "Poseidon"? I'm looking at my copy right now. Peace, A Theme is the opening track on side 2. This copy was purchased in 1980, but it replaced my first copy (bought in 1971) because I wore out the first copy. It is identical to the first one I had. I assume my 1971 copy was the 'first edition'. Cheers, David Vella ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:32:04 +0200 From: akerberg at passagen dot se Subject: Re: Eyes Wide Open DVD Hello. I think the DVD is great. A lot better than the DejaVroom-DVD. The sound is clean and crisp. Is it too quiet? Well, not on my equipment. Crank up Level five and listen to Adrians solo. That solo alone is worth the price of the DVD. Is Adrian wearing an undershirt? Yes, he probably is but he wore the same shirt when i saw them in Stockholm and i didn't care then and i don't care now. Is Fripp in the shadows? Yes, but is that a surprise to anyone? You can see him clearly enough on the DVD, though. I'll say it again: The DVD is great! Bye, Peter Akerberg, Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:34:03 +0100 From: "mark" Subject: Respect To Dan Wasser and all like him, I can't let this go depiste the fact that its been done to death. "Mr. Fripp, must you remain in the shadows? Have you no respect for your audience? We pay money to SEE, as well as hear, you. As I've said before, why not just put a cardboard cut-out of yourself on stage while you play backstage. There wouldn't be much difference." It has been made quite clear over the years that you pay to be in the presence of KC playing music not for some kind of show. If you wish a band that has "respect" for its audience then go and find one - I hear that the Rolling Stones put on a fine Show. If you wish to hear a band that has repsect for its music then you need to deal with the things that the musicians do in order to make that music. Now if you have actually listened to Crimson live (as opposed to merely being present when the music is playing) then you will realize that its magic comes from the presence and musical interaction of 4 brilliant musicians. Replacing anyone of them by a cardboard cutout would necessarily subtract from this. I respectfully suggest you find a band to patronise that does "shows" and who will be more willing to perform on demand in return for your coin. cheers mark williamson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:16:29 +0200 From: Dario Tortora Subject: Trey Gunn "best of" It seems that the long-time planned "best of" is ready and it will be out on the 3rd of November. There's this info page here: Does anybody know if the DVD part of it will be the same stuff from the Road Journals? Cheers, Dario -- - "Where we are going is how we get there" - Robert Fripp - Mac OS for productivity. UNIX for stability. Palm OS for mobility. Windows for solitaire. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:08:51 +0200 From: Stefano Pezzuto Subject: Alice's cover of Islands Hi all the Italian singer/composer Alice has released her new album a couple of weeks ago. It is a collection of old Italian songs with two exceptions: a cover of King Crimson's Islands, and of Syd Barret's Golden Hair. In these two songs she sings with Tim Bowness of No-Man. In two tracks the guitarist Jakko Jakszyk is present. Ciao Stefano ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:07:13 -0400 From: Michael dot Russell at mercerdelta dot com Subject: Peace and Islands Coda To Vlad Kalnitsky--"Peace--A Theme" opened the second side of the vinyl version of "In The Wake of Poseidon." The first side faded out on the mellotron swells of the title track, much the same way that side one of "In The Court of the Crimson King" faded on the mellotron-laden refrain of "Epitaph". To both Vlad and Andrei Turusinov--The coda section at the end of "Islands" is indeed on the original Atlantic pressing from January, 1972. Since I was too little to see Crimson in 1969 (sigh . . .), this coda was the first time I actually heard Robert's particular Dorset twang. The Atlantic pressing featured the plain white jacket with the Sinfield islands daubed on. If the jacket Andrei has on his Island pressing is the telescope photograph of outer space focused on that nebula, then it is indeed an original pressing. ("Islands" was the only case of Crimson albums being released with different covers in the US and UK.) Peace--A Hope, --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:31:29 -0500 From: "David F. Snyder" Subject: Re: Dan's crits of the Eyes Wide Open DVD Hi all, This is a flame - thanks for your patience. > I've watched only the first disc. Ah, fully informed! > Why is it that bands choose directors that don't (seem to) know the > music? > ... And why show the back of Adrian's head? Is > that some neat effect that I can't seeme to appreciate? Why do supposed 'fan's ask such inane questions? Have you ever created a film of a performance group of artists? Do you know the issues and concerns? > > Mr. Fripp, must you remain in the shadows? Have you no respect for your > audience? We pay money to SEE, as well as hear, you. Maybe he's protecting himself from insensitive 'fan's such as yourself. Perhaps if you (Dan) saw him (RF) then King Crimson would not appear, only the performance team. I f you cared about RF as the person he is, would have this question or criticism? Do you only care about yourself and your consumer 'rights'? > As I've said before, > why not just put a cardboard cut-out of yourself on stage while you play > backstage. There wouldn't be much difference... > Dan > > P.S. Can't wait to see 'em on Nov. 17 in Virginia! Oh, god, no. Can't you just send a cardboard cutout in *your* place? Then others present won't have to listen to your dopey, poorly informed criticisms. There wouldn't be much difference if you are not in the audience (you will not be missed!), and this would even be appreciated by at least one person in the venue. Save your money for something you actually care about. Ciao, David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:21:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Mikola Subject: Fripp in the shadows? Hi: I keep reading posts from fans that say things similar to this after seeing KC in concert...."Fripp was completely in the dark-no one can see him-doesn't He care about his fans?" After waiting over 20-years to see KC in concert,I saw them twice in 2002In Cincinnatti and Columbus Ohio. At both performances, RF's lighting was not as featured as the other cohorts but he did have medium-blue lights shining on him 90% of the show I had no problem watching his solos-chordings-even smiling at Ade. KC fans sometines RF likes to be in the background, even when he is right in front of you An observation: Jon ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1151 *********************************