Reply-To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Discipline #115 D I S C I P L I N E The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 115, Friday, 12 November 1993 Today's Topics: USA etc Vinyl, Sleepless, and "real music" I Talk to the Wind (country style), Sylvian/Fripp glitter, other babble Fripp on NPR Sylvian/Fripp drummer Re: Sylvian/Fripp Live Re: Sleepless in NC / sparkles? KC FFWD AND MELLOTRON Steve Weiss Music sylv/fripp tour re: orchestral Crimson Chicago bootlegs & sylvian/fripp one thousand years [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1993 15:14:18 -0400 (EDT) From: LENNBOB at delphi dot com Subject: USA etc >> 1) How long ago were the albums USA and The Young Person's Guide to King >> Crimson taken out of print? >> 2) How hard is it to find these albums at say, a record convention, and >> about how much do they cost? The entire contents of the USA album are contained in the Great Deceiver box set, with the exception of "Asbury Park", which is on the fourth CD in the Frame By Frame box. There's a vinyl copy of The Young Person's Guide... at the used record shop I frequent here in Seattle. It's priced at $8.99. It's the British pressing. The extensive liner notes are missing, though. Kevin [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: tlkalka at mailbox dot syr dot edu (Terrance L. Kalka) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 15:43:06 EST Subject: Vinyl, Sleepless, and "real music" 1. To the fellow whose name I lost (I think it was Jeff) interested in USA and YPG:Vinyl of these albums are available at used record stores across the US for as low as 6 to 10 dollars, depending on the condition. In addition, I have a $25 copy of Earthbound, which was never released here to begin with. Unfortunately, I have never seen YPG with its booklet intact. Between Frame by Frame and The Great Deceiver, USA has been released, so the only thing missing is the album cover. 2. I, for one, am overjoyed at the release of "Sleepless," since the Compact KC sucks (nothing from "Posiedon" through "YPG"), and "Hearbeat" isn't really a compilation so much as volume 5 of Frame by Frame. 3. To the gentleman mentioned in #1: While Fripp's projects do contain a level of maturity uncommon in rock, I would advise against calling anything "real music." All music is real, all music is worthy of study, and I think you'd be surprised at the number of ideas that the great unwashed can have upon "real musicians." "A health-food faggot with a bartered bride..." -Terry [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 15:14 CST From: SANDERSO at gacvx2 dot gac dot edu Subject: I Talk to the Wind (country style), Sylvian/Fripp glitter, other babble I just remembered something interesting that might be of interest to King Crimson fans. Camper Van Beethoven (Southern US alternative rock/country/weird band) recorded an album with Eugene Chadborne (Weird/weird/weird musician) called Camper Van Chadborne. It is most likely out of print, but a friend of mine has it, and there's a really cheesy country version of "I Talk to the Wind," yes, the King Crimson song, on it. My Sylvian/Fripp also has glittery stuff in the black plastic of the jewel box. This is not really all that amazing. Early versions of the Beatles CDs had glitter, too, and I've seen jewel boxes with all sorts of weird things going on these days--blue, red, white, yellow, and clear plastic, and the aforementioned glitter, as well as other things. Someone wrote in a seemingly derrogatory manner about the silliness of The Saga of Rodney Toady. I think it is hillarious, and it's great to see that side of Fripp. The only thing that bugs me is that on my US version, the Saga and Just George are not individual tracks, but are placed on the count-downs to the tracks they preceed. I am eagerly awaiting the future of King Crimson. In the meantime, anyone know where I can get a Schizoid Man t-shirt like Fripp's dear departed mother used to wear? Scott T. Anderson sanderso at gacvx2 dot gac dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 13:59:13 GMT From: "The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom." Subject: Fripp on NPR Greetings, I'm really impressed with this list and have been enjoying reading the past issues. I first came in to contact with King Crimson in 1982. I was 15 and was waiting to buy some things at a shop when two friends came up and told me of a concert in Syracuse, NY. It turned out that these guys had been waiting in line since the early morning hours to buy tickets for King Crimson. They made a suggestion that I should go and get a ticket. I went to the ticket office and asked for one ticket to King Crimson. To my surprise the woman said "is first row OK?" "Wonderful," I replied. I made arrangements to visit my sister in syracuse and asked her to drive me to the concert. The concert was at the Landmark Theater in downtown Syracuse. I believe the date was February 25, 1982 (I have to check the ticket). The place was packed and I found my way to the seat which was on the left side of the theater. A few films were shown on a screen that was set up on the front edge of the stage. One film was an animation, I don't remember seeing the title but have named it "There and Back." The film showed a flower in which one appeared to zoom inside. The animation showed some interesting structures (it reminds me today of the many fractal zoom images that one can observe on a home computer), at some point the travel direction reversed and moved back to the original image. I knew this was not going to be a typical show. The band came out and I was seated directly across from Tony Levin. Red curtain for a backdrop and white light illuminated it. It was a very powerful show. I remember an usher came down to the top of the aisle and kneeled to watch the show, we look at each other for one second, we both must have had that cow eyed look of amazement and curiosity. I really can't capture the music into words but it in one word it was intense. I managed to find some friends after the concert and spoke with them for a few seconds, feelings mutual. I really savored going to this concert alone. I had some silence with myself and was really prepared to listen to the performance. It is interesting that I had this silence because a few years after the concert I learned that Robert Fripp uses the technique and power of silence to ones advantage in his discipline. I have been to a few other concerts alone and have really pleasured in the performace since I could shut out alot of preconcert distractions and focus on the performace (Zappa, peter gabriel and Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra). Recently, due to a spark from the digest I searched through some tapes that I had recorded and found an interesting radio interview on Robert Fripp and his Guitar Craft sessions that aired on National Public Radio (NPR). I don't know the date of this interview but I do have it on tape (I missed about the last 30 seconds due to tape runout). The interview is about 10 minutes long. Since I have something to trade, is anyone interested in obtaining a copy of this interview in exchange for some rare material? I'm really please with this digest and glad that I found it. Keep the information flowing. Rick hapanowicz at xray dot alfred dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 14:12:12 PST From: Duane dot Day at EBay dot Sun dot COM (Duane Day) Subject: Sylvian/Fripp drummer The drummer touring with Sylvian/Fripp is Pat Mastellotto, formerly of Mr. Mister. He also provided the drums on XTC's excellent album _Oranges and Lemons_. cheers, Duane [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 14:30:02 PST From: "John Relph" Subject: Re: Sylvian/Fripp Live By the way, I can't remember if this has been posted or not, but in correction to my review... The drummer was Pat Mastellotto (from Mister Mister), Los Angeles session drummer whose work was also featured on XTC's album _Oranges and Lemons_, among others. -- John [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 14:38:08 PST From: charly at hal dot com (Charly Rhoades) Subject: Re: Sleepless in NC / sparkles? > From: CHOSSMAN at apollo dot davidson dot edu > Subject: Sleepless in NC / sparkles? > > 1. Am I crazy, or am I the only one with sparkles imbedded in the black > plastic of the jewel case for _The First Day_? I only noticed it today> It is not dust, and none of my other cds sparkle. Is this some sort of > subtle packaging design? Chad I do not think you are crazy. While I do not have a copy of _The_First_Day_ (yet), I immediately noticed the same gold sparkles you describe when I first opened my copy of Sylvian & Czukay's "Plight & Premonition." This is either a Sylvian design motif, or an uncanny coincidence. Charly Rhoades charly at hal dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: antilles at sage dot cc dot purdue dot edu (antilles) Subject: KC Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 19:50:47 EST Hello, all! I just thought that you might like some info on the new incarnation of KC coming out next year. A friend of mine in Minneapolis recently attended the Adrian Belew acoustic concert at First Ave, and actually spoke with him after the show. He is in the current line-up, along with Trey Gunn, Jerry Marotta, RF, and some other person who will only play stick underneath everyone. My friend did not remember who this was. Anyway, Belew said that as soon as RF was finished with the Sylvian tour, they would begin recording. They have rehearsed, and the CD should come out next year sometime. I in the meantime am looking forward to it, and eagerly await the box set of live stuff from the '80's. What fun!! As for a Symphonic KC, don't hold your breath. I just can't picture RF letting anyone make muzak out of his songs. I actually do like the other symphonic CD's available, but again, RF won't ever let David Palmer do one of his stuff. Sorry if that sounded like a flame. It wasn't. For the interested, I have a book about RF by Eric Tamm, which covers all of his stuff to about 1990. It's quite good. I can get the catalog number for anyone who is interested, just e-mail me. Tamm also did one on Eno, which I hear is also quite good. In it, it mentions that in the porno film "Emanuelle", there is a jazz band cover of Larks' Tongues II. I have not been able to find a copy of the movie to confirm this, but it sounds like it may be interesting. By the way, the people who did the arrangement got sued by RF, if I remember correctly. Sorry to ramble, but I'm bored. Anyway, have a nice day. Peter VanMaasdam antilles at sage dot cc dot purdue dot edu I don't have a .sig, 'cause I don't know how to make one. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 15:01:54 +1000 From: keens at pitvax dot xx dot rmit dot edu dot au (Jeremy Keens) Subject: FFWD AND MELLOTRON thanks to richard for reading mixmag better than i did! on a totally unrelated matter thought people may be interested to know paul weller (jam, style council) uses much mellotron on his new album (wildwood). Q review gave it thumbs up jeremy [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 00:19:28 EST From: Greg dot Andrade at um dot cc dot umich dot edu Subject: Steve Weiss Music For those of you who have been searching for Bill Bruford's book, When In Doubt, Roll! or his video Bruford And The Beat, I have some invaluable information for you. Steve Weiss Music, located in Philadelphia, PA, is an excellent source for books, videos, and equipment for all instruments. The store has one of the largest selections in the world; if you can't find it, they will! Anyway, the store is open Monday through Friday, 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. EST and Saturday 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. EST. You may place phone orders by calling (215) 329-1637 during business hours, or you may FAX orders 24 hours a day at (215) 329-3519. If you wish to receive catalogues >from Steve Weiss Music, write to P.O. Box 20885, Philadelphia, PA 19141 or just call. Happy shopping! [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: wcsanil at ccs dot carleton dot ca (Anil Prasad) Subject: sylv/fripp tour Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 2:10:24 EST Since I couldn't make it to Toronto and Sylvian/Fripp INEXCUSABLY didn't play Montreal (the single biggest market for Fripp in Canada!!!), does anyone have any high quality live recordings of this tour that the less fortunate of us can hear? +-------------------------+ | "HONOUR THY ERROR p | | r | | wcsanil at ccs dot carleton dot ca | | n s | | i AS A HIDDEN a | | l d | | INTENTION." | +-------------------------+ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: yurst at netcom dot com (Ed Hurst) Subject: re: orchestral Crimson Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 8:41:29 PST I heard a symphonic version of the song "Red" several months ago on the radio. It was by a (Canadian?) band called the Either ORchestra. It was quite good >from what I remember of it. Has anyone heard or seen this Either ORchestra material? The DJ may have said that it contains other orchestral Crimson tunes as well - it could be an interesting acquisition... Yurst. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: javasque at eos dot ncsu dot edu Subject: Chicago Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 12:15:38 EST Well, it was Halloween morning in Raleigh, NC. I had written as much as I could for a take-home exam I was supposed to turn in Monday at 6:00. I drove to Greensboro NC, about an hour and fifteen minutes drive. I had the great idea of borrowing a PowerBook from a friend (otherwise I would have flunked that takehome...) While waiting for the airplane, I managed to so some work in the Mac. Did just about the same in Cleveland. Finally managed to get to Chicago around 4:30. My friend Ian was waiting for me. He would go to the concert with me... he is supposed to be open minded as far as music goes, but Sylvian & Fripp I don't know. I was just hoping that the evening would not be a torture for him. As a matter of fact most of my friends don't seem to understand the greatness of Fripp's music. I had this girlfriend that hated "Starless"... how can you do that? Anyway, we went to get something to eat, the doors were opening at six. Total lie because we spent some freezing outside. Once inside, I saw that the Park West was a very intimate place. Ian and I found a table and chatted for a while. Michael Brook came on... people largely ignored his coming to stage as I assume most thought he was just a roadie. He was soft spoken, and proceeded to introduce the first piece. A couple of assholes screamed "WE WANT FRIPP" to him to which he responded with a polite be patient. He proceeded to play some really nice ambient music. Too bad that I could not see his hands as I was in the lowest level and close to the stage. He was surrounded by rack mounts all over. In between songs, he would make a couple of comments, and of course the occasional idiot would call for "BIG BOB" or "DAVE". After about half an hour, his set was over. He did warn the crowd about smoking during the concert. The band came up after a little while. People cheered when Sylvian came out, but they went crazy as Fripp appeared. They started with "God's Monkey", and played the entire album and the material from the singles. I was surprised that they played three or four songs out of "Gone to Earth". I didn't like the version they did of its titletrack. It sounded just like that included in Sylvian's bootleg. I sort of wanted to hear something similar to the album, at least from Fripp's part. That guitar work sounds like Torquemada getting what he deserves in hell, but there was none of it that Halloween night. Maybe it's not practical to do that live. Well, everything was over sooner than expected. Got out of there, drove to De Kalb, slept, woke up, showered, wrote on the Mac, back to O'Hare, wrote some more, flew to Cleveland, wrote again, to Greensboro, drove to Raleigh...be. It was definitely worth it, but it was a tiring experience. Sr. Fripp, Sr. Sylvian, if you ever happen to read this, gracias por la velada. Jaime Vasquez-Hernandez javasque at eos dot ncsu dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 17:14:32 PST From: steve at scopus dot com (Steve Yockey) Subject: bootlegs & sylvian/fripp I'll briefly add my impressions of the Sylvian/Fripp Berkeley show: I agree that the show was very loud, particularly the drums. And the drumming was the least interesting part of the show. Just kinda loud and constant. Not that I expected anything else really, having listened to the album. I just hope this wasn't a preview to the drumming we'll hear in the new crimson. And as usual with Fripp shows, the show was too short (about 75min!). I wanted more! But the show was worth it for the fripp solos alone. Darshan live was far more interesting/enjoyable than the album version! Brook was very enjoyable, and yes, the crowd was fairly rude. >From: rpeck at pure dot com (Ray Peck) > >>Jerry Marotta, on drum kit, was wearing >>an Einstuerzende Neubauten tee-shirt. > >It wasn't Marotta. It was Jerry M-something-I-can't-remember-right-now. >I'll try to remember to look it up in my program, and post. Right! It was none other than Jerry Mathers, aka "The Beaver". Seriously, who was it if not Marotta? Another installment for the bootleg discography: King Crimson "Cirkus" Live at the Academy of Music, NYC 11/24/73 - Late Show (track listing on disc) cirkus 9:04 pictures of a city 8:39 formentara lady 18:33 (this is really formentara lady + sailors tale + noisy improv) a sailors tale 1:40 (really an improv + goofiness) 21st century schizoid man 8:04 devil's triangle 6:52 total time: 53:08 sound quality: mono, not much range, but fairly clear, 7/10 personnel: robert fripp: guitar & mellotron mel collins: reeds ian wallace: drums boz burrell: bass & vocals closest thing to a record label: sc 103 (scorpion?? the disc has a picture of a scorpion on it) King Crimson - "Get Thy Bearings" Live at the Victoria Ballroom, Chesterfield, UK 9/7/69 disc one (total time: 55:34) 21st cent. schizoid man 8:51 why dont you just drop in 6:34 epitaph 7:48 get thy bearings 19:37 talk to the wind 5:15 court of the crimson king 7:18 disc two (total time: 58:00) war 32:04 get thy bearings * 4:52 (edit) 21st century schizoid man ** 7:03 epitaph *** 6:57 21st century schizoid man *** 6:57 * = Top Gear 5/69 ** = Dave Symonds, BBC radio 1969 *** = Unknown--not even listed as tracks on the CD sound quality: for chesterfield stuff, mono: 6-7/10 other stuff 7-9/10 label: sc 102/1-2 personnel: robert fripp: guitar & mellotron ian mcdonald: keyboards, reeds & vocals michael giles: drums greg lake: bass & vocals -steve steve at scopus dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 17:21:24 -0800 From: David A. Craig Subject: one thousand years how many of you have heard trey gunn's new cd? is there any way to buy it other than at shows? (i have one ... i want another for a gift). i think it has wonderful moments. if someone had handed it to me without a cover and said it was demos for the new crimson ... i wouldn't have contested that claim. i suggest running out and buying it, but that's me. it credits only vocals and some percussion to peoplke other than trey. in other words, all string parts are trey playing stick? can that really be? someone reassure me ... wow. on another note: there was mention of a new john wetton record, with fripp on guiutar. is this fact? does this record exist? 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