Reply-To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Discipline #114 D I S C I P L I N E The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 114, Tuesday, 9 November 1993 Today's Topics: Berkely show update Adrian Belew in _Come Together_ Re: Michael Brook & Audience courtesy Why no symphonic Crimson? Fripp/Sylvian in Berkeley Another concert review Great Deceiver track listing Cross gig reminder Clueless and Slightly Slack Sylvian/Fripp, Massey Hall, Toronto: Review Young Person's check this band out !!! Some info on Crimson covers and influence re fripp and orb Sleepless in NC / sparkles? Eno article for Discipline-resent (fwd) re: ffwd [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Once again my apologies for the slight irregularity in Discipline's publication dates at the moment. But better late than never! Thanks again to everyone for sending such interesting material. -- Toby [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 14:09:49 -0700 From: rpeck at pure dot com (Ray Peck) Subject: Berkeley show update A couple corrections/amplifications to John Relph's otherwise accurate description of the Berkeley show. >From: "John Relph" >Subject: Sylvian & Fripp Review, Berkeley > >He played >a minimal song called "E.R.R." which he said stood for "Echo Repeat >Revelation", because a specific echo effect inspired the song, which >used an offbeat rhythm against a delay to give a syncopated, and >ofttimes interesting effect. (I believe the people behind me said >something about it sounding like Pink Floyd.) Parts of it were exactly the beginning of "One of These Days" from Meddle. A very worth album. >Jerry Marotta, on drum kit, was wearing >an Einstuerzende Neubauten tee-shirt. It wasn't Marotta. It was Jerry M-something-I-can't-remember-right-now. I'll try to remember to look it up in my program, and post. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: phv at equalizer dot cray dot com (Paolo Valladolid) Subject: Adrian Belew in _Come Together_ Date: Sat, 30 Oct 93 16:37:19 PDT I just picked up a copy of _Come Together: Guitar Tribute to the Beatles_ (distributed on the NYC label). For this project jazz mallet player Mike Maineiri invited mostly jazz guitarists to cover Beatles tunes; Adrian Belew, whose own style often defies classification anyway being the one non-jazz guitarist. The other players are Allan Holdsworth (who performs a swinging(!) Coltrane-esque cover of "Michelle"), Mark Whitfield, Ralph Towner, Steve Khan, Zachary Breaux, John Abercrombie, Leni Stern, Larry Coryell, and Toots Thielmans. While there aren't really any weak tracks on this compilation, the ones that really stand out for me are the contributions from Holdsworth and Belew. This may have to do with the fact that both guitarists have highly individual playing styles and sounds. Belew covers "Blackbird" with multitracked acoustic guitar, guitar synths, fuzzy electric guitar, and percussion. In contrast to Holdsworth's searing legato soloing, Mr. Belew simply applies his instruments to putting together an arrangement of "Blackbird" with his own signature touch. Belew's relatively straight rendition of the melody with his fuzzy "rhino guitar" and synthesizers had the same emotional effect on me as Holdsworth's impassioned improvisation. _Come Together_ is definitely worth checking out. I picked up my copy at Tower Records. -- Paolo Valladolid phv at equalizer dot cray dot com Cray Research Superservers, Inc. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 02:00:42 -0400 (EDT) From: MCGLINCJ at bcvms dot bc dot edu Subject: Re: Michael Brook & Audience courtesy I saw Michael Brook when he opened up for John Cale (of Velvet Underground fame) on the "Fragments of a Rainy Season" tour. The audience was particularly disrespectful to him there, too. Not to be holier than thou, because looking back on it I could have been more attentive as well, but there was a guy in back of us who was talking full blast all the time in back of us while Brook was playing, and he just WOULD NOT shup up!!! While it's true that (at least when I saw him) Brook does not have a tremendous solo stage presence, and it is hard to sit through over half an hour's worth of ambient guitar, I really have kicked myself for not telling the guy to shut up. Didn't Fripp write a "Guitar Craft article once on the importance of being an attentive listener at concerts? I think he did, at least. Well, anyways, the upshot of it all is: Don't be a shithead at concerts! You could be offending a lot more people than you think! Joe McGlinchey Boston College [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 02:04:19 -0400 (EDT) From: MCGLINCJ at bcvms dot bc dot edu Subject: Why no symphonic Crimson? Since Symphonic Yes (Yes' music set to orchestra) just came out, I was wondering if Robert Fripp will ever consider doing a Symphonic King Crimson album? I don't know whether it would be good or bad (I guess it depends on a lot of different things), and I don't know whether they would be perceived as jumping on the Symphonic bandwagon, but I DO KNOW that I would like to hear an orchestra do Exiles, Starless, 21st Century, Fracture, and LTiA pt. II one of these days! :) Joseph McGlinchey Boston College [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 16:38:04 -0800 From: Malcolm Humes Subject: Fripp/Sylvian in Berkeley I liked John Relph's review of the show. I had a few problems with enjoying the evening, but overall I had a good time and was glad I went. It seemed to me that there was a lot more "heavy" Fripp in this show compared to the recent cd release. My regrets: The drums were so loud in the mix as to be somewhat painful. The show was very loud. Michael Brook was pretty low in the mix, and he was doing stuff with a wah wah that sounded unlike anything in the recorded versions of those songs so I really wished I could hear him more. The audience was generally noisy, especially during the quieter parts. Some guy 2 rows behind me was shouting "FRIPP!" and "ROBERT FRIPP!" just about every time Fripp would do a solo. It was pathetic. Why do people do this? I suspect it was the same guy who ruined a David Torn show for me a few years ago shouting "BRUFORD!" and "YARRRGH!". I asked that guy why he shouts when they're playing and he said "They like it!". I countered with "Do you really think they can hear you, and if they can ,does your shouting do anything more than distract them?" His comeback was "This is how I have fun at concerts - I always do this." Overall Sylvian's voice was fairly weak, IMHO, compared to his studio recordings. I wished they'd done more instrumentals. The weirdest part of the show was a version of Exposure, very slow and languid, and the vocal delivery of it was too strange. It sounded really bad to me if I let myself compare it to any of the recorded versions. It really seemed to be a bit off. Also, I didn't notice, but my friend Gary said he was annoyed at Marotta dropping beats throughout the evening. BTW, I think Brook's work comes off a bit better recorded than it does live. I've liked all the releases of his I've heard, and also he can be found on about 4 or 5 Jon Hassell releases. - Malcolm [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Subject: Another concert review Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 13:02:54 -0500 From: stephen at system9 dot unisys dot com Rushed for time right now: Quick thoughts: Only non f&s fripp-related tune I recognised was Exposure. Lots of sylvian tunes, robert usually played one utterly ripping solo in each sylvian tune. Two encores both sylvian tunes. Robert considerably too low in the mix which was disappointing, Trey Gunn was motioning to the board for Robert to be turned up, did get a bit louder later on. Good show, mainly for Roberts playing, demonstrated a wide range of tonal approaches. Eaasily the quietest, most "scholarly" show I've ever been to. Got to run, Cheers, Stephen Lindsey [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 02 Nov 93 15:15:12 CST From: Paul Heroy Subject: Great Deceiver track listing Someone recently requested a track listing for the Great Deceiver set, and since I just picked it up, figured I oughta come out of lurk mode and post it. Haven't had a chance yet to listen to everything, much less listen carefully/critically, but the package is fairly impressive so far. It includes a 68 page booklet with some interesting commentary from Fripp, transcriptions from some of his diary entries for the tour represented by the discs, several reprints of reviews of KC's previous 4 CD boxed set, Frame By Frame (including Fripp's own review for Musician magazine, and a couple of letters to the editor about it from readers). Also included are some comments by other band members and associates and a complete schedule for the 1973-74 tour. Contents of the 4 discs, with timings as given on the back covers: Disc 1 ------ Palace Theater - Providence, RI; June 30 1974 1. Walk On ... No Pussyfooting (0:52) 2. Lark's Tongues In Aspic, Part Two (6:12) 3. Lament (4:04) 4. Exiles (7:00) 5. Improv - A Voyage To the Centre of the Cosmos (14:41) 6. Easy Money (7:14) 7. Improv - Providence (9:47) 8. Fracture (10:47) 9. Starless (11:56) Disc 2 ------ Providence, cont'd. 1. 21st. Century Schizoid Man (7:32) 2. Walk off from Providence... No Pussyfooting (1:15) Walk on to Glasgow... Glasgow Apollo; October 23, 1973 3. Shark's Lungs in Lemsip (2:38) 4. Lark's Tongues in Aspic, Part One (7:25) 5. Book of Saturdays (2:49) 6. Easy Money (6:43) 7. We'll Let You Know (4:54) 8. The Night Watch (4:54) 9. Improv - Tight Scrummy (8:27) 10. Peace - a Theme (1:01) 11. Cat Food (4:14) Penn State University; June 29, 1974 12. Easy Money... (2:19) 13. ...It Is For You, But Not For Us (7:25) Disc 3 ------ Pittsburgh, Penn. - Stanley Warner Theater; April 29, 1974 1. Walk On... No Pussyfooting (1:15) 2. The Great Deceiver (3:32) 3. Improv - Bartley Butsford (3:13) 4. Exiles (6:23) 5. Improv - Daniel Dust (4:40) 6. The Night Watch (4:18) 7. Doctor Diamond (4:52) 8. Starless (11:36) 9. Improv - Wilton Carpet (5:52) 10. The Talking Drum (5:29) 11. Lark's Tongues in Aspic, Part Two (2:22) Penn State U.; June 29, 1974 12. Applause & Announcement (2:19) 13. Improv - Is There Life Out There? (11:50) Disc 4 ------ Toronto, Massey Hall; June 24, 1974 1. Improv - The Golden Walnut (11:14) 2. The Night Watch (4:22) 3. Fracture (10:48) 4. Improv - Clueless and Slightly Slack (8:36) Zurich Volkshaus; November 15, 1973 5. Walk On ... No Pussyfooting (1:00) 6. Improv - Some Pussyfooting (2:23) 7. Lark's Tongues in Aspic, Part One (7:41) 8. Improv - The Law of Maximum Distress: Part One (6:31) 9. Improv - The Law of Maximum Distress: Part Two (2:17) 10. Easy Money (6:57) 11. Improv - Some More Pussyfooting (5:50) 12. The Talking Drum (6:05) Note: Bartley Butsford, Daniel Dust, and Wilton Carpet are nicknames for Bill Bruford, David Cross, and John Wetton. (The band at the time; I'm assuming that DD = DC & WC = JW, though the booklet isn't specific.) You can see there are plenty of extended improvs, both on composed songs and just themes, and a bit of humor in the sets :-) There are also a few typos and inconsistencies in the booklet, though nothing too bad. Does anyone know about the status of the supposed next 4 disc set, 80's live material? Paul Heroy heroy at lsuvm dot sncc dot lsu dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 15:05 GMT From: ronc at cogs dot susx dot ac dot uk (Ron Chrisley) Subject: Cross gig reminder I just want to remind everyone in the UK that David Cross's excellent band will be playing the Orange in London this weekend (the 6th), recording audio and video for their upcoming release "Testing to Destruction". Tickets #6. Tel: 071 371 4317. Doors: 8. See ya there! I've seen this band twice before, and they're great! Ron [[ Aaagh. Sorry Ron, and everyone else without access to a time machine. I didn't notice this post in time to get the info out to you all for the gig. Sorry. -- Toby ]] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 18:36:47 EST From: David=Lane%HQ%Rational at Vines1 dot ratsys dot com Subject: Clueless and Slightly Slack The current issue of Boston Rock has an article reviewing "The Great Deceiver". The reviewer is none other than Michael "Clueless And Slightly Slack" Bloom, who offers to send Fripp a diskette copy of the article so that there will be fewer typos in the next box set... Do I seem to recall that the aforementioned reviewer (was/is) a member of this list? If so, maybe the article could appear in an upcoming digest. [[ I'll contact Michael to ask him. -- Toby ]] - - - Dave Lane davidl at ratsys dot com R a t i o n a l Systems, Inc. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 19:59:24 -0500 (EST) From: MACDOUGA at SRCL dot SUNNYBROOK dot UTORONTO dot CA Subject: Sylvian/Fripp, Massey Hall, Toronto: Review Hi Everyone I'll start off by emphasizing that I'm not big on Sylvian's previous work so generally a song I didn't recognize I labelled as a Sylvian Tune. I did keep good notes, so the order of things is accurate. Things started off as in the review posted from the Berkley show. PEOPLE WERE LATE!!!! This was rather annoying. What can one do?!? The show started promptly at eight. Michael Brooks took stage and played six songs. It was interesting to watch how he built each song up from samples and how he kicked things in and out of the song with his effects pedals. It was almost as if he was playing and tap dancing at the same time. He played the following songs: Showman Urbana Bandine or Pandine (I didn't exactly catch the title-he said it refered to a mountian range) ERR-Echo Repeat Revelation Lone (something which I didn't catch) Cora As has been pointed out, Brooks is responsible for the infinite guitar effect which I think he used on ERR. This particular number was interesting in that he simply hit the strings (sort of slapping) through the whole song. no strumming or picking. He played for about 45 minutes. Fripp and Sylvian came on at roughly nine o'clock and played for about one and a half hours. I got the general impression that 3/4 of the crowd were there to see Sylvian and 1/4 for Fripp. The overall feeling I got from the music was Heavy. The drums and stick were low and very prominant. Fripp would augment what was being played with loud chords (high range). The mix made for a early 70's crimson-like sound. Here's the set God's Monkey Brightness Falls (Sylvian Tune) Jean the Birdman Firepower (Sylvian Tune)--Earthbound or something Exposure (yes they played exposure-I'll explain more) (Sylvian Tune) 20th Century Dreaming (Sylvian Tune) (Sylvian Tune) Darshan Encore-The First Day I guess they played all the expected tunes from the album. I really apologize to those of you who were interested in the Sylvian tunes, I'm just not familiar with his material. The highlight for me was when they played exposure. They had finished the previous tune, the crowd applauded and then stopped, leaving the Hall relatively quiet. Sylvian was at the keyboard, he pressed one key. Music didn't come out. It was a woman's voice which said "It is impossible to achieve the aim without suffering". After hearing the first couple of words I immediately recognized the tune and cheered. Not many people knew the song, and when it was over the girl beside me asked what the song was. Like most of the songs, it too was heavy, with a thorbbing beat and prominant stick. Sylvian sang, Trey Gunn recited E-X-P-O-S-U-R-E. Sylvian also occasionally kicked in with the "It is impossible...." With all said it was memorable. I guess that is about it. I again apologize to the Sylvian people. The final word...Two thumbs up! John MacDougall macdouga at srcl dot sunnybrook dot utoronto dot ca [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Subject: Young Person's From: Ken Stuart Date: Wed, 03 Nov 93 22:29:00 PST Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA 94539-6669 Hello, If anyone is still looking for the Young Person's Guide to King Crimson (ie Vinyl LPs), send e-mail to me. Cheers, Ken PS Eno is wrong, Fripp is right. PPS The whole point of the song Elephant Talk is that "it's only talk", it's not serious -- and it's not the music. Which is one reason why many of us think it IS a very appropriate choice as the name. (Although I must say I like "Brouhaha" ! ) (And I must say I loathe having the name of a Crimson activity based on the title of a song by someone who bases his art on borrowing from Fripp and others -- so please NOT "In the Wake of King Crimson" [and it's the second album, not the first!] ). ---- kstuart at waffle dot sns dot com (Ken Stuart) Systems'n'Software Free Public Access Internet BBS (510)623-8652 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 16:45:05 EST From: krh at birdland dot HQ dot ileaf dot com (Keith Hedger) Subject: check this band out !!! Hello fellow discipliners! I really enjoy everyone's input to the list, what a great resource! I am writing to make a shameless plug for some friends of mine. I think the readers of Discipline should really check a band called Absolute Zero. They are a trio comprised of percussion, electric bass, and keyboards/vocals/flute. They have a CD/EP available called 'Alive in the Basement' that is real killer. KC was a definate influence as well as Hendrix, Penderecki, Rock In Opposition (Universe 0, etc.), Henry Cow, well, you get the picture. You can get the CD/EP for US$6.00 from Wayside music or directly from the band at: Absolute Zero p.o. box 674 Leominster, MA 01453 508.537.3793 If you live in the Boston, MA area you can get it at Tower or Newbury Comics in Boston and Cambridge, and HMV in Cambridge. I don't usually make this kind of plug on the NET but I think you will all be very interested to hear this band. Keep the good stuff coming to Discipline (thanks Tony!) ^^^^ [[ Close -- Toby :-) ]] ciao, keith [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1993 16:16:24 -0800 From: rpeck at pure dot com (Ray Peck) Subject: Some info on Crimson covers and influence Some info in Crimson covers and influence. I looked through the recently posted discography, and sent a correct catalogue number for the Opus III cover of "I Talk to the Wind". I don't normally like techno-ish stuff, but this album and cover is OK. They certainly didn't try to duplicate the original, which I find a plus. I borrowed this CD from a friend who's really into the "alternative scene". I also borrowed (and didn't like) 2 CDs from a band called Unrest. So I was surprised to notice the reference in the discog. to an Unrest cover of 21st Century Schizoid Man. I asked said friend to find out about it, and here's what I got: From: dougo at pure dot com (Doug Orleans) To: rpeck at pure dot com Subject: forwarded message from Sean Keric Murphy Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 19:34:03 -0800 ------- Start of forwarded message ------- From: Sean Keric Murphy Sender: chugchanga-l at cornell dot edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Unrest/Fripp Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 19:06:20 -0500 Yeah, Unrest did 21st Century...sounds really good - close to the original but not quite as wacked out - maybe knowing it was recorded in 1987 and not 1969 has something to do with it. It's on the very first Unrest LP, available for only $60 at Vinyl Ink in Silver Spring, MD... I'd love to have a copy of this one, but I'm not paying that much money. (Incidentally, this album's re-release or lack thereof on Matador is one of my major reasons for busting on Gerard so much...that and his flunkie Johan...thppppt.) Grumpy Smurf skmurphy at phoenix dot princeton dot edu ------- End of forwarded message ------- Also borrowed (and liked) the CD "Chrome" my Catherine Wheel, which contains a song called "Fripp". In the background is fake Frippertronics. It's pretty cool. Asked him to find out more, and here's what I got: ------- Start of forwarded message ------- From: "Kai'ckul on toast, over easy" Sender: chugchanga-l at cornell dot edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Various and Sundry Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 23:48:53 -0400 dougo at pure dot com sez: > CATHERINE WHEEL--Chrome (Fontana) > SYLVIAN/FRIPP--The First Day (Virgin) >Just wondering if you noticed the Frippertronics-sounding things in >the Catherine Wheel's song "Fripp"... My King-Crimson-head workmate >thought it was pretty groovy, and also mentioned that he thought >Catherine Wheel was also the name of a play by David Byrne... Yup, noticed that. It's not quite as obvious a rip as the end of track 9 on the Shudder to Think album _Get Your Goat_, though. Always interesting to hear a good Crimson influence turning up every now and then: their album _Discipline_ is without a doubt one of the Top Ten albums of all time. (If you don't believe me, listen to it!) As far as the name of the band, yes, there was a ballet by David Byrne/ Twyla Tharp called the Catherine Wheel, but a Catherine Wheel itself can be either a Chinese firework or a torture device, depending on who you ask. =) ------- End of forwarded message ------- Also: Billy Idol of all people mentions, in this month's CD Review or whatever the heck it's called, (paraphrased) "excellent work by Peter Gabriel, and anything with Robert Fripp". What a shock. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1993 13:17:31 +1000 From: keens at pitvax dot xx dot rmit dot edu dot au (Jeremy Keens) Subject: re fripp and orb was reading a music mag at a local record shop. Mixmag i think it was, with a cover story about Orb. They mentioned that fripp had recorded the guitar for a track, and it had turned into a 60 minute piece. Orb have then remixed this into an album - and will call the group ffwd (the first f is for fripp, the d for doctor[patterson]) no info on when it will be released they have got a live album on the go jeremy [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1993 02:51 EST From: CHOSSMAN at apollo dot davidson dot edu Subject: Sleepless in NC / sparkles? Note to potential buyers: here is the complete track listing for the new King Crimson compilation: _Sleepless: The Concise King Crimson_ 1. 21st Century Schizoid Man 7'20 2. Epitaph 8'45 3. In the Court of the Crimson King (abridged) 7'19 4. Cat Food (edit) 2'45 5. Ladies of the Road 5'30 6. Starless (abridged) 4'36 7. Red 6'16 8. Fallen Angel 6'00 9. Elephant Talk 4'41 10. Frame By Frame 5'07 11. Matte Kudesai 3'45 12. Heartbeat 3'53 13. Three of a perfect Pair 4'11 14. Sleepless (restored mix) 5'22 Personal notes (a review, if you will): 1. The Concise King Crimson is a distillation of the first boxed set onto one cd. This raises the inevitable question: WHY? There are already two other compilations in addition to Frame by Frame, not including the miniature _Heartbeat_. So why is this needed? I think Mr Fripp wishes to keep interest in King Crimson alive during this cold spell. So, rehashing old material once again, he trumpets the cause. 2. There is no unreleased material on this compilation. All tracks are the exact same as the remastered versions on _Frame_, with the exception of an abridged "Court." Not really a collector's item. 3. The packaging, as usual, is attractive. The Douglas Brothers have created some nice design work for Mr. Fripp in the past few years, but I must ask: What is the meaning here? It could be that the blue horse simply looks cool, but is there supposed to be some deeper context? My theory: the horse is a famous dream image (. . . Sleepless . . .) symbolizing virility, strength, and power. Is this Fripp's view of King Crimson? 4. In the liner notes, Mr. Fripp once again provides us with a real teaser. Apparently, further boxed sets including live sets from the other two chunks of KC history will be released in the future, although not too soon, as I gather from Mr. Fripp's exasperated tone. He also indicates that some of the vast archive of unreleased stuff is unofficial, and maybe not even live. I'm sure there has to be more unreleased surio stuff than what we've seen. (typo- make that "studio") 5. I bought it. And so will you. Admit it. Etc: 1. Am I crazy, or am I the only one with sparkles imbedded in the black plastic of the jewel case for _The First Day_? I only noticed it today. It is not dust, and none of my other cds sparkle. Is this some sort of subtle packaging design? 2. It is almost three in the morning. Why am I here? hugsnkisses, Chad [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1993 20:51:54 -0600 From: jklein at midway dot uchicago dot edu (Joshua Klein) Subject: Eno I realize this is the King Crimson list, but does anyone know anything about the new Brian Eno box set(s). Your information is greatly appreciated, Thanks Joshua Klein I love California. I grew up in Pheonix. -ex-Vice-President Dan Quale [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: ottari at ismennt dot is (Ottar Isberg) Subject: article To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk (Toby Howard) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 23:09:29 GMT Hello Frippies ! (or Hello Hippies) > > I recently bought "Cheerful insanity.." in a HMV store near Lincoln center. Now as I ma I newcomer I don't know if you discussed this album much but I find this album to be a great enjoyment. The Saga of Rodney Tody is foolish but well it was supposed to I guess. I really like the jazzy playing of Fripp and would like to him to move into that area more as he is getting a bit old for the the Soulless rock he plays to often. The sound of the record is also surprisingly good, Decca has done a great job here. The Suite is suberb. I read in magazine that they did not contact Fripp before the release of this record and that he was rather dissapointed because he had some interesting stuff from that period. Can''t wait to hear that. Does anybody know if Fripp+Sylvian will tour Germany in Nov/Dec. Please let me know. ??? [[ I'm afraid not. The dates are Sat 6 Nov Supercinema, Chieti Sun 7 Nov Tanda Partenope, Naples Mon 8 Nov Teatro Olimpico, Rome Wed 10 Nov Teatro Tenda, Florence Thu 11 Nov Teatro Tenda, Brescia Fri 12 Nov Teatro Colosseo, Torino Sun 14 Nov Il Tempo Music Hall, Reggio Emilia Mon 15 Nov Teatro Smeralda, Milan Tue 16 Nov Politesia Rossetti, Trieste Wed 17 Nov Teatro Astra, Bassario del Grappa HOLLAND Sat 20 Nov Stadsschouwbourg, Sittard Sun 21 Nov Carre Theatre, Amsterdam Wed 24 Nov Musickcentrum, Eindhoven Thu 25 Nov Ossterpoort, Gronigen BELGIUM Fri 26 Nov Queen Elizabeth Hall, Antwerp FRANCE Sun 28 Nov La Cigale, Paris ENGLAND Tue 30 Nov Royal Centre, Nottingham Wed 1 Dec Apollo, Manchester Thu 2 Dec Royal Concert Hall, Glasgow Sat 4 Dec Royal Albert Hall, London Sun 5 Dec Royal Albert Hall, London -- Toby]] I met a bass player named Skuli Sverrison in a party recently. He is doing very well and is now doing a record with Allan Holdsworth and plays in his band. He told me that Allan was perfectionist so that that recordings were moving a little slow. He mentioned that Bill Bruford and Django Bates had wanted to do a record with him but due to some legal matters it was not possible. He was once offered Tony Levins place in Steps Ahead but refused it. He has never met Fripp. Skuli is by the way an Icelander if you didn''t already know that. Another Icelander connects to the KC story these days. In a local newspaper yesterday there was the news that the Sugarcubes drummer Sigtryggur Baldursson will propably play with Adrian Belew. He had paid a visit to him and they had found common interests. bye [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 09:33:08 GMT From: richard at fss dot icl dot co dot uk (Richard Barnett) Subject: re: ffwd the orb have been doing the rounds of the music technology/dance music magazines in the uk recently; here are a couple of extracts relevant to the ffwd project/album. they are slightly contradictory to each other; i have no idea which is the more definitive version. mixmag v2i30 nov 93 "in late september alex and kris put the finishing touches to a new project, ffwd. it stands for fripp, fehlmann, weston and doctor. 'i only just sneaked in there,' jokes dr patterson. "the genesis of ffwd came when respected former king crimson guitar- ist robert fripp contributed some of his taut guitar work to an orb track. the final contribution ended up as an intricate 60 minute magnum opus that alex and thrash were able to splinter and recons- truct into eleven separate tunes - enough for an album. ffwd is a very different project from the orb. '[it's] guitar loops, not drums,' says alex. [...] "when alex and kris played half a 40 minute ffwd track during one concert, 'people just didn't know what the hell was going on,' reports alex. 'there were just noises all over the place.'" music technology i85 nov 93 "session appearances by 'proper' musicians are the ofen-overlooked ingredient of orb recordings, and one recent guest cuts a very familiar figure on the ambient scene. 'we've moved over to robert fripp, with whom we've done a rather long track. i can see this being a separate album myself, but we've got various ideas which the two of us have still got to talk about. they're positive ideas, so it's not as if we don't want to put it out, it's just a matter of whether we are going to release it as a long single or a normal album. i'd like to surprise people with it...' "it transpires that the track in question formed the spacey intro to recent orb shows, albeit in a 25-minute edited form. the completed version is expected to be around an hour in length, substantially longer than 'blue room'." both extracts reproduced without permission. -- richard _______________________________________________________________________________ richard barnett richard at fss dot icl dot co dot uk _______________________________________________________________________________ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] To join this mailing list or have your thoughts in the next issue, please send electronic mail to Toby Howard at the following address: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk The Discipline archives are available on ftp.uwp.edu, in /pub/music/lists/discipline. The views expressed in Discipline are those of the individual authors only.