Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1138 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1138 Monday, 4 August 2003 Today's Topics: Re Fripp with Van Der Graaf Re: RADIOHEAD Airbag Charts 2X Drummers Latest Belew? Fripp and The Cars revisited Re: Belew solos Belew, twice removed letterman? J.G. Bennett tapes on CD Prague and Budapest shows The Mincer Fripp's latest diary entries... Mike Giles/Ian Wallace Re: Airbag - Radiohead new fact regarding William Gibson and Robert Fripp Double Drummers 7/5/93... new krimson tour with support by d.sylvian Toyah as Calamity Jane; ProjeKct 3 at the last moment Fripp Or Belew Crimso Communication Endorsement; Toyah w/Fripp; thanks Vladimir Tab for solo in Three Of A Perfect Pair(Deja DVD) Re: How can one identify: Belew or Fripp? Gatefold THRAK Comical remakes of some King Crimson tunes and others Re: Mike Giles/Ian Wallace Heaven and Earth music for almost everything ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 08:46:48 +0200 From: "Eddy de Causmaecker" Subject: Re Fripp with Van Der Graaf "Re Fripp with Van Der Graaf.... something's been bugging me when I listen to the "Pawn Hearts" album. That monstrously beautiful noise at the end of "A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers" (just before the choral fadeout) is sometimes cited as one of Fripp's greatest guest solos... but I'm not sure that it's actually him! It sounds suspiciously like Hugh Banton's Farfisa organ put through some serious Frippish effects pedals. Could anyone throw some more light on whether this is the case or not?" It's definitely no guitar part, it sounds indeed like Banton's Farfisa organ. "most of the VdGG material is really crying out for a decent remastering to help the overwhelmed listener." There's a lot of remastered stuff on "The Box" CD set Best Wishes, Eddy Flycatcher flycatcher at zeelandnet dot nl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:17:29 -0500 From: "Craig" Subject: Re: RADIOHEAD >any King Crimson fans who HAVEN'T checked out OK Computer, Kid A, >Amnesiac or Hail to the Thief - I recommend you do so. Radiohead is >producing some of the most intelligent music in the modern scene, and it's >well worth the listen. >Darin Definitely!!! Especailly "OK COMPUTER"........... Essential album!! (Have yet to hear the new one) ~C ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 13:47:17 +0100 From: "Wafo" Subject: Airbag Hello Listened to Radiohead's Airbag yesterday, and I don't know where the Starless idea comes from at all, but the opening riff is surely more than reminiscent of the cello section of Red. Is this where the inspiration for the KC comparison arose? Anyhow, if it was Crimson-inspired, the favour was surely returned, as the "I have a dream" coda to LTIA 4 seems to owe quite a lot to the "from a great height" section of Paranoid Android. Just a thought. W ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:57:19 -0400 From: Gary Davis Subject: Charts Hi, folks: I recently posted The Artist Shop's Top 50 charts for the month of June . Here are a few on the list that Crimson fans might find interesting along with their ranking. 1. Sylvian, David Blemish CD 11. 21st Century Schizoid Band Official Bootleg CD 15. No-Man Together We're Stranger CD 18. Hammill, Peter Clutch CD 19. Bears, The Live CD 34. Asia Live in Moscow DVD 47. Wetton, John Rock of Faith CD 49. Raisins Everything and More CD set of 4 David Sylvian's Blemish had a very strong first place finish. It was pretty well ahead of the rest of the pack. 21st Century Schizoid Band's 11th placing is very significant as it's not a new release. We've had it since December, so the fact that it's ranked 11 all the way into June is pretty darn good! Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Artist Shop Radio Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:53:35 -0400 From: Block Subject: 2X Drummers In 1970 Joe Cocker, Leon Russell and the Mad Dogs and Englishmen toured with 3 drummers, including Jim Gordon, Jim Keltner and Chuck Blackwell. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:11:26 -0400 From: Michael Bennett Subject: Latest Belew? The latest solo Belew would be Coming Attractions, not Op Zop To Wah, althought he latter is probably his definitive work, if there is such a thing! -- Visit my page: http://home.att.net/~illoman See my paintings! Sign my guest book! > From: et at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk (Elephant Talk) > Organization: Elephant Talk > Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:13:10 GMT > To: > Subject: Elephant Talk #1134 > > Your in for a world of great music. I would suggest that you start to > collect Adrian's solo albums post haste. For a limited time ( if they > haven't vanished ) you can purchase his first three solo ventures as a > Japanese Import ( unless your in japan and then of course, it's not an > import ) at http://www.adrianbelew.net You will be purchasing direct from > the man his own bad self. Op Zop Too Wah is the latest solo release ( with > one in the oven ) and it is awesome. You will also need Inner Revolution, > Here, Young Lions and Mr. Music Head. Heck, you'll need 'em all. Check > out the discography at the afore mentioned web site. Then there's The > Bears...... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:14:04 -0400 From: Tim Subject: Fripp and The Cars revisited > The reason the solo sounds uh, "Frippish" is because it's played using an > e-Bow. Many of us playing guitar now use them, and so the bowed-electric > sound loved by us all need not be confined to RF. Also there's a Bass > version. Uh, what makes you say that? It sure sounds like classic Les Paul sustain to me. I can get the same sound with the good old Big Muff sustain pedal, no ebow necessary. And the solo in question sure sounds picked in certain areas (not to mention that the video shows it being played conventionally-I realize that's not iron clad evidence by any stretch but its worth noting). Whether it is or not isn't that big a deal, it just seems that there's always a big rush to insist that that sound can only be produced by an ebow-unless you're Robert Fripp. Now Robert is certainly very talented but I don't think he has electromagnets in his fingers (I may have bamboozled the technology a bit but you get the point). And now back to King Crimson... Tim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 01:19:56 -0500 From: John Michael Beard Subject: Re: Belew solos At 05:07 AM 7/20/03 +0100, you wrote: >Daniel Chinn wrote: >Talking Heads - "Born Under Punches (The Heat Goes On)" - Possibly the best >electronic/experimental solo Ade's come up with Definitely Ade-influenced, but according to interviews that one really IS David Byrne. John Michael Beard www.elvibes.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date: 7/14/03 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 02:02:57 -0600 From: Matthew Sottile Subject: Belew, twice removed The recent thread regarding great Belew solos recently came up, and one that was mentioned was Born Under Punches (The Heat Goes On) from the Talking Heads, Remain in Light album. A friend turned me on to a recent release by Phish (Live Phish #15) where they covered the entire album on their yearly Halloween cover-night. I must say, speaking as someone who can't handle much Phish (they grate on me pretty quick), they did an EXCELLENT job on that album. I have found disc 2 of the release frequently in my cd player (#1 and #3 being the original Phish material that excites me significantly less). So, for those of you who found Adrian's work on that TH album to be of interest, the Phish version is definitely worth checking out. They were pretty true to the original, extending a few songs out with some apt jams that did nothing more than enhance the original. Not quite King Crimson, but hey - it's just 2 degrees (or so) away. -m ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 02:36:40 -0600 From: Matthew Sottile Subject: letterman? > I just saw The Dead last night on Letterman and I'd say on average, > that > the drummers played maybe 1 out of every 10 notes differently --- other I admit, in my last two posts I've deviated from the KC specific topics, but this was just so bad it warranted a reply. Judging a band based on it's performance on Letterman/Leno/SNL is a horrible thing. I recently spent two days up in Denver to see the latest incarnation of The Dead at Red Rocks (speaking of denver - I'm still pissed at that snowstorm that cost me two KC shows... Argh!). Other than a few basic country-style songs in their catalog, very few involved, from my vantage point, two drummers playing in sync. The Rhythm Devils are alive and well, although a few years older than most 'rock stars'. I have a few MPEG movies thanks to my nifty little digital camera from the 'drums' segments of 7/7 that definitely exhibit the drumming juices of those two. Honestly, if you get away from the tiny bit of poppy stuff they did (uncle johns band, sugar magnolia, etc... maybe 5 or so songs out of a catalog of an order of magnitude more...), you really see quite an aurally interesting rhythmic duet. Definitely far from "two drummers playing the same thing" - heck, I bet if you asked Mickey if that was the case, he'd reply "then what'd be the point of two?". Ok - no more dead references from me from now on. KC only. :) -m ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:55:01 +0200 From: Jasperse Subject: J.G. Bennett tapes on CD Hello! I just read about RF listening to JGB speeches on his iPod. Some ten years ago I owned a few compact cassettes with very interesting and enlightening Sherbourne House talks. Is there anybody out there who can tell me if these talks are available on CD or for download since I cannot find Claymont Communications who sold me the cassettes on the web. any information in this case would be highly appreciated Chiel Jasperse ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:25:48 +0200 From: Juro Olejnik Subject: Prague and Budapest shows Hello all, I had the luck to find some money to afford to attend two shows on the TPOTB tour and it turned to be the best decision that I could make :-) The Prague gig was an academic one -- we had to sit on chairs in a Congress Centre and whole performance was not very "close" to the audience. It seemed more like a classic music concerto. The performance was naturally without errors and the playlist was (at least I think) identical to the one in Moscow (as somebody posted here). The only think that I didn't like was the fact, that the closer you were to the stage (I was in the 8th row), the louder was the sound -- and it was just too loud. Well, for the first moment I didn't enjoy the show as much as I expected, it took a longer time to appreciate the whole experience. And one more funny thing: Adriand Belew introduced himself as Brian Eno -- as it turned out in Hungary, it has to be same sort of "inside-band" type of humor. One more thing that I didn't like was the poor quality (despite really high prices) of the T-shirts and other merchandise. Actually all tour T-shirts had the US tour dates printed, no Europe, I wonder why.... And the tour box disappointed me -- just some interviews and 2-3 songs, I'm happy that I didn't invest more money.... ...because I could spare it for the Budapestian (and the last!) show. It was a completely different type of experience -- an outdoor happening, with me and my friends in the very first row. What really did *impress* me was the communication of Adrian and Pat with the audience -- they looked at the people, smiled, it was very pleasant... KC seemed to enjoy the last show, they even invited a pair of "dangerously curved" belly-dancing girls during "Dangerous Curves" :-) Even thought the playlist was (with the addition of some improv and substraction od Three Of A Perfect Pair) the same, I enjoyed it much more. In addition I have Pat's drumstick (as well as both of my friends :-), so there's nothing that could be better, even the sound turned to be perfect. Now I know why KC is one of the best band ever.... not only at home from CDs, but mainly live. Oh, I would forget -- it was Robert Fripp who was introduced as Brian Eno this time ;-) And the last thing -- Adrian Belew is the most charismatic frontman I have ever seen -- I was literally impressed... I hope KC will keep going, because I had the impression that Robert Fripp was a little bit bothered by every bit of attention paid to his person... Hope it wasn't too much reading, OLE. P.S.: I have one more (maybe strange ) question to everybody: I have all the "30th Anniversary" series discs, but I have USA as "vinyl replica" digipak, therefore I store it in a separate box. Could someone who has the normal jewel case scan (150dpi) the back (and maybe even the front) cover for me? I would like to have it all in the same style decorated box (with the nice tiny cover on the side). Thanks.... my mail is above. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:45:20 EDT From: GenoTT at aol dot com Subject: The Mincer >I am very curious about KC's song from SABB, The Mincer. Was this a live >improv that John Wetton dubbed his voice over as I suspect, or did >actually sing live. Or perhaps this was actually a written song, but it >doesn't appear like it to my ears. Richard Palmer-James is credited with the lyrics. So either John added them to the tune later in the studio (which is my best guess), or John just sang them during the improv since they hadn't mtached the lyrics up with a composition yet. >Lastly, why does the song end the way it does? Did the tape >run out, or what? If anyone knows, please post their answer. Yes, the tape ran out. According to Robert, standard procedure (at least sometimes) was to have two tape machines running at different intervals, so one would always keep going when the other conked out. So even though the S&BB recording ends abruptly, the two parts of that improv that bookended "The Mincer" itself were also recorded. They were included on the Great Deceiver box as "The Law of Maximum Distress," parts 1 and 2. I heartily second the motion of releasing this year's unscheduled P3 show as a KCCC release! I almost went to that show but eventually decided to stay home, and I'm still kicking myself over it. -geno ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:17:46 +0000 From: "Cameron Devlin" Subject: Fripp's latest diary entries... I haven't read an issue of Elephant Talk since before issue 1000, but after flicking through the last 3 on ETWeb, and noticing that no one's really talked about it yet, I thought I'd point it out, also in the hope that Fripp might still read ET. In case you haven't been keeping up to date, it seems the European Tour is not going well (the entries are coming up slowly.. it hasn't even reported on the Paris gig yet) - so badly that Fripp has termed it as "The King Crimson Farewell Tour Of Europe (2003)." I'm particularly interested to see what he says about the Paris gig, because I was there, and it was the best concert I have ever been to - not just musically, not just sonically, but the audience was the best I have ever been a part of. Not a single flash, only 1 stupid comment ("SCHIZOID MAN!!!!" just before Deception of the Thrush), and when they kicked into Red, the whole place bumrushed the stage, one girl in front of me literally turned round to the audience behind her and motioned for us to stand, and I noticed someone doing the same on the other side of the theatre. As far as the music is concerned, there was not a dull moment. This has never ever happened to me before. In most of the concerts I go to, there's a moment in the middle, or during a particularly long song, where I'm thinking "I hope this ends soon". It's not as pronounced when I see King Crimson, but it was there the last few times (Nashville & London 2000). But this time, nothing. Perfect. So obviously, I hope that Robert felt that too. I hope that it was enough to give him hope for Europe yet, because I don't want to have to fly to America every time King Crimson go on tour (indeed, I wouldn't be able to). And so I come onto the part that I hope Fripp reads. He's feeling less and less connected to the audience. He seems to be of the opinion that if the music was good every night, that the whole touring experience would be worth it. So I have the answer to his problems. A screen. A screen, with a light shining on it, so that the audience can only see his silouette. Fripp is screened from any flashes that might go off, and the gimmick of "not being able to see Fripp" becomes even more gimmicky. Of course, he couldn't pop his head round at the end of the gig, because the flashes would be tremendous. If however, that might make it impossible to connect to any audience anywhere, simply lower it from the rafters when Fripp presses one of the buttons in his rig. It might sound like I'm taking the piss a bit here, but I'm totally serious. I don't go to see King Crimson because I want to watch Fripp. It's the only opportunity anyone in my part of the world can see Adrian Belew, Trey Gunn or Pat Mastelotto doing their thing. It's bad enough now that I have to get to Paris just to see them, but I'll do it for every tour as long as they KEEP DOING EUROPE. This will probably fall on deaf ears, but I had to give it a try anyway. Thanks for the amazing concert - if it truely is the last one, I can't think of a better way to have ended it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:18:35 -0400 From: David Vella Subject: Mike Giles/Ian Wallace Hi all, This isn't really part of the double drummer's thread, it's actually separate questions about each drummer. First, is there any information available about why Giles quit the 21CSB? I was looking forward to seeing him drum for the first time in my life when the band (eventually) tours the USA. Second, can we have a report about Ian Wallce's new CD? I still haven't picked up the first one (Take A Train) yet. (Shame on me!) And now here's a sequel. If a person only had ready funds for one of them, which one is better? Thanks, all. David Vella ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 19:52:02 +0300 From: Jari Schroderus Subject: Re: Airbag - Radiohead To me the beginning of Aribag does sound more like the middle bit of Red. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 20:14:16 +0200 From: "Martin Nevels" Subject: new fact regarding William Gibson and Robert Fripp Today I started reading William Gibsons "Pattern Recognition". On the front is displayed the back of a CD. It's says (in reverse print) DGM 9704. That is the catalogue number for Robert Fripp's "Pie Jesu". See als http://et.stok.co.uk/articles/879-12.html. Worth posting in ET newsletter? Regards, Martin Nevels ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:13:35 -0300 From: "Stratomailer" Subject: Double Drummers Hello! I thought it would be interesting to mention the following on this "2 drummers" subject. A couple of weeks ago I saw on TV a John Lennon concert (in Canada, I think?) where the band didn't only have 2 drummers, but 2 bassists and (counting John) 2 guitarists - A Double Trio! Well, they also had someone on saxophone and Yoko Ono on..... umm, whatever she was doing (she switched between playing organ horribly and singing horribly). Of course, the music was hardly progressive, all duos played pretty much the same (except for one of the guitarists who took the role of playing solos and leads while John sung) and the show *really* sucked (as much as I like John's stuff). But still, I thought it was fun to see a double trio 20 years before KC's... Oh well then... later. Luis ps: if anyone knows what concert I'm talking about... is Tony Levin playing there? Cause' that would really be ironic, wouldn't it? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:50:59 +0100 From: Henrik Subject: 7/5/93... on 20/7/03 1:13, Elephant Talk at et at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk wrote: > 7/5/93... 'The first day' Yeah, what a great album, a bit sad but I've actually had dreams where I met fripp and asked him when they would get together and make a second album, can't remember what he said though.... re: belew albums, I will recommend people to go on to www.gemm.com and search for the bears (artist), good chances of finding 'the bears' ('87) and 'rise and shine' ('88) on decent second hand vinyl. I still listen to those albums and they're are great, not to sure about the latest release from the lads.... have a good week everyone, can't wait for that sylvian concert @ RFH in september! Henrik/londra ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:37:38 +0200 From: Roderich von Detten Subject: new krimson tour with support by d.sylvian good evening hippies, while surfing THE NET, i stumbled upon a new interview with david sylvian, regarding his latest album "blemish" and a forthcoming tour - and: Q.: "Given the portability of the show, do you think youll bring the tour to the States? A.: It wouldnt have been possible previously, but Robert [Fripp] asked us [david sylvian and brother steve jansen] if wed support a forthcoming King Crimson tour, so I thought that would be a good opportunity and I think Im gonna do that. Its the first time Ive really played a supporting role, but because its Robert and because its Crimson, I think it could work, so Im going to give it a try. I think that tour is penned for late October." this sounds very interesting, doesn't it? source: http://www.innerviews.org/ greetings roderich ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:55:00 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: Toyah as Calamity Jane; ProjeKct 3 at the last moment >I just saw a publicity shot for the current UK West End revival of Calamity Jane. We'd love to see this shot at your favorite website. >What would be a great release for a future selection, however, would be the show where Ade got sick and ProjeKct Three had to go on at the last moment. I too would love to hear this show. - S. np: Mr. Keeling's arrangement of LTIA Part 2 with the Metropole Orchestra. I can't wait to purchase an actual copy of this. scottst at ohsu dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:12:52 -0400 From: "Labbauf, Les" Subject: Fripp Or Belew in ET 1136 Rikard queried the following "There's obviously a lot of that going on, since you always want to know who played that great solo on ***... Also, in tabs, you wanna be able to hear who's playing what. For those who can (or think they can) identify which guitar is Belew and which one is Fripp on a given recording with the Duoble Trio or the Quartet: How do you do it? What techniques do you use, or, what type of playing do you look for in both guitars to separate them? " When listening to a live recording it appears that the sounds coming from the right hand side would be Fripp, and the left hand side Belew. This would correspond to their positions on stage. Les ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:39:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Green Subject: Crimso Communication The original Lizard album cover provides an address: "Crimso Communication 63a Kings Road, London S.W.3." Had you written (in 1970/71) you would have received an 11page letter - which is presented at the following link . . . http://www.songsouponsea.com/Promenade/lyrics/gallery/CrimComm.html Jon Green http://www.songsouponsea.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:08:28 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: Endorsement; Toyah w/Fripp; thanks Vladimir >Here's another *serious* idea to quiet those idiots who shout song titles: Have a CD player or something onstage with ITCOCK loaded and ready. When the cry for 21CSM comes, everyone stops playing and RF goes over and hits the play button. The band just sit there while the song plays. Then they go do whatever they were going to do. I love it. >http://www.toyahwillcox.com/graphics/gallery/gald14.jpg What a lucky man Mr. Fripp is. >All Russian (and not only Russian) speaking ETers are welcome to the fully updated "Indoor Games - The Russificated King Crimson" site. It's new address is: http://indoorgames.boom.ru . Plus to the widened basic content you'll find there: interview with Pat Mastelotto, Saint Petersburg press-conference revue, Moscow gig revue, Fripp's Russian diaries. Don't forget to leave your message in the Guest Book. The interview with Mastelotto was fabulous. Thanks for posting that on your website Vladimir. - S. np: Col Bruce Hampton and the Aquarium Rescue Unit (s/t) scottst at ohsu dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:55:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Rikard Grankvist Subject: Tab for solo in Three Of A Perfect Pair(Deja DVD) You know where Fripp plays a solo in the Three Of A Perfect Pair live on the Deja Vroom DVD? Well, I wonder if anyone has a tab or MIDI. I couldn't find one on ET.com, but I might have missed it... So correct me or enlighten me. /Rikard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 05:00:53 -0400 From: "cathywoolbright" Subject: Re: How can one identify: Belew or Fripp? To distinguish between Belew and Fripp there were several things that helped me. First off, buy Sheik Yerbuti. It's obvious that even today, Belew carries a lot of what he learned from Zappa on his shoulders. This is a great start to hear "traditional Belew sound". Listen also to the solos you're confused on, do you hear any kind of weird whammy bar flourishes, or hammer on, pull-offs? Chances are, you're listening to Belew. Not sure what a whammy bar sounds like? Not sure what a hammer on/ pull-off sounds like? Buy an 80's guitar album. Van Hallen is your best bet. Secondly, get the Projekts. Great improv Fripp listening. Go back and pay attention to pre-Belew Crimson songs. Fripp maintains a constant solo pattern, usually delving into scales that you've never really heard before, or that are just down-right creepy sounding. What's that? Did the guitar just slide from a scale into an almost minor sounding note hold? That's Fripp at his creepiest (Although I prefer to use 'Fripp at his height of Genius'; Either way you say the same thing) Really the difference is learning how to decifer the tone from a really fast hammer-on/pull-off solo between a straight-out fastly picked one. Also, Fripp's guitar is tuned differently so knowing how the notes layed out on a regularly tuned guitar is important. Sometimes you'll hear some note change that requires either really large hands, or a deal with the devil to pull off, neither of which I believe Fripp has. Hope I could help in some small way, or at least confuse you off the path you've been on. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:31:07 -0400 From: ZeteticZ at aol dot com Subject: Gatefold THRAK Hello newsletter list, I'm a long-time reader, but only a first-time poster here. I have a question I was hoping you all could help me with. I've noticed a special Gatefold edition of THRAK available for sale, and I was wondering what the differences were between this edition and the original edition. Is the recording re-mastered or otherwise modified/different/revised in any way? Is there any additional material such as liner notes or so forth included in this edition of the cd? Please be patient with me if the answers to these questions are a matter of common knowledge, and help out this dedicated fan. Thanks, Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:03:51 -0500 From: Jeff Bridge Subject: Comical remakes of some King Crimson tunes and others www.iuma.com/dl/DOKAKA/index-1.html Go to the above site if you want to laugh your backside off. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:55:27 -0500 From: "Mike Champagne" Subject: Re: Mike Giles/Ian Wallace David - To the best of my knowledge, Mike realized that, despite his desire to play early Crimson material again, the necessary rigors of touring were not something he wanted to continue to subject himself to. I too was very much looking forward to seeing him play one day in the potentially near future. I had always enjoyed his playing as documented on vinyl but never had the opportunity to actually hear him live. Alas, it will apparently never happen, but we can all be thankful that Mike put his desires into action by organizing the 21CSB, as I appreciate it was his doing, and that Jakko is the husband of Mike's daughter Amanda (better known to Crimson aficionados as 'Mandy' from the dedication to Mike's wonderful piece 'Tomorrow's People' from the 'McDonald & Giles' LP) As for Ian, please see my review(s) of his latest CD in ET-1129. His two releases are very different from one another, and could probably be collectively packaged as "Two sides of Ian Wallace," however both are superb. 'Take A Train' is, in Ian's words, "straight jazz" - not particularly adventurous but very listenable and very well done. All instrumental and all original tunes (if my memory serves me correctly) penned either by Ian and/or pianist Brian Trainor, with the exception of 'Evidoid Suite" which is a curious co-mingling of Thelonius Monk's "Evidence" and several themes from 21st Century Schizoid Man. 'Happiness with Minimal Side Effects' is something altogether different, which my review should convey in more detail, so no need to repeat it here, other than to reiterate that it is very well done. I will add that, in light of Ian's quoting of Joe Walsh in his diary (i.e. "4/4 is for pussies"), there are a great deal of time signatures other than 4/4 on "Happiness...". Although I don't have the CD handy at the moment, one particularly blissful interlude, IIRC, is a piece called (I believe) "Tai Phun" in which Ian and a whole lot of tuned percussion drives along in eighth-note triplets over an 11/8 bass figure, so you have Ian playing, effectively, in 33/8. Then again, I may be mis-remembering things, and it wouldn't be the first time . . . but that is but one of numerous highlights on this CD. There are many others, not the least of which is to learn that he possesses a truly wonderful singing voice. And if you enjoy his sense of humor as presented in his diary entries, you get more of the same in some (but not all) of his lyrics. Which one should you buy? Beats me, 'cause they're both good; it depends on what kind of music you want to listen to. The latest does seem to be more of an individual statement on Ian's part, however, and all of his jazz sensibilities as a player are evident on it as well, so I guess it would not be incorrect to categorize it as a progression over the first. This being the case, if I *had* to choose, I guess I'd go with the new one. I hope this has been helpful. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:43:07 -0400 From: Chris Ryan Subject: Heaven and Earth Howdy, In The Vicar's recent posting he listed his Top 10 Crimson studio recordings. I was surprised to see Heaven and Earth listed. It is by far my favourite ProjeKct recording as well. Why haven't the lads played it live? I fought the urge of calling out in Montreal this winter for fear of being given the evil eye. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 10:07:43 -0400 From: Miserygoats at aol dot com Subject: music for almost everything Not sure if this is entirely relevant for a KC site, but someone appear to be carrying Eno's "Music For Films / Airports / Elevators" schtick through to its logical conclusion with albums such as "Music For Unwelcome Guests" "Music For Religious Bigots" "Music For Funerals" and the like.... anyone heard any of them? The site; http://www.freehostsltd.com/sites/jokoi/discography.shtml ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1138 *********************************