Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1136 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1136 Wednesday, 23 July 2003 Today's Topics: about Indiscipline.......an old version Andrew Keeling Concert Re: Crimson humming and Weird Al DAVID SYLVIAN to open for October Krimson tour Touring in the UK Bemusing Fripp&Toyah picture KC_Villa_Solaria_Sesto_Fiorentino_setlist Mudvayne - And other demonic vocals A Nod from Opinionjournal.com Since You've Gone; the total lack of UK gigs CDs for sale How can one identify: Belew or Fripp? REQUEST: Night Watch chords "le projet flou" David Sylvian to support King Crimson? doesn't John McEnroe play guitar, after all? 2X Drummers and UpDownC's Name The Russificated King Crimson Re Fripp with Van Der Graaf Re: RADIOHEAD Airbag Charts 2X Drummers Latest Belew? Fripp and The Cars revisited Re: Belew solos Belew, twice removed letterman? J.G. Bennett tapes on CD Prague and Budapest shows The Mincer Fripp's latest diary entries... Mike Giles/Ian Wallace Re: Airbag - Radiohead new fact regarding William Gibson and Robert Fripp Double Drummers 7/5/93... new krimson tour with support by d.sylvian Toyah as Calamity Jane; ProjeKct 3 at the last moment GIG REVIEW : KC Paris concert review (Tuesday, 8 july 2003) GIG REVIEW: North Sea Jazz Festival, 12 July GIG REVIEW: The hague, Netherlands (North Sea Jazz Festival) GIG REVIEW: North Sea Jazz Festival, The Hague, Netherlands, ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:10:37 +0200 From: jawa56 at td-srl dot com Subject: about Indiscipline.......an old version Hello Moderator, my name is Vittorio ''Vic'' Righini, 47 years old, italian Crimson's fan from early seventies ; i've seen KC in Turin 30 years ago about, then in Milan 1982, then the double trio and two times this year The Power to Believe Tour in Genoa and Turin. in the past i was a not-official bootlegs collector ; now, i buy only official bootlegs. i discovered in one of my bootleg, called Live in Germany 1973, printed on CD in Italy in 1990, a version of ''Indiscipline'', called (on the bootleg) I keep myself under stress - 7'53'', and played by Fripp/Wetton/Cross/Bruford (they also include Muir but is not correct). It is possible that this song was played about 10 years before to be officially edited ? i also checked in The Great Deceiver, The Night Watch and all others official DGM bootlegs, but there is no trace of this song ; it could also be possible that this is a version played by Fripp/Levin/Bruford and Belew, and incorrectly edited on a 1973 live bootleg, but, frankly speaking, the sensation is that bass player and voice is John Wetton, and there's no the Belew's sound of guitar ; the quality of the bootelg is average, i could make a mistake. what do you think about ? thanks for a reply, Vic ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 08:12:19 -0700 From: "Dan Anderson" Subject: Andrew Keeling Concert Hi. Did anyone out there hear the Andrew Keeling/Metropole Orchestra's concert of Robert Fripp recordings? I'd love to hear a review of it. Yours, Dan Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:34:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert J. Fries" Subject: Re: Crimson humming and Weird Al In ET 1333 "Aaron G. Moulin" wrote: > Subject: Check this out. > > I don't know if this has already been posted here, but I figured I'd send > it again in case it hasn't. > > http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/DOKAKA/index-0.html DEAR LORD!! THIS IS THE MOST HILARIOUS THING I HAVE EVER HEARD!!!! Aaron, thank you SO much for giving us this link! A sick, twisted idea just popped into my head: What if these guys (guy?) opened for KC? (of course doing their KC covers) I think that would be just about the best concert ever. Even just playing this through the house sound as the intro music (or, maybe, if RF doesn't feel like Soundscaping, or something like that) as the band comes on stage would be such a riot! Seriously, though, I think that should happen. OK, now to buy some new underpants... Here's another *serious* idea to quiet those idiots who shout song titles: Have a CD player or something onstage with ITCOCK loaded and ready. When the cry for 21CSM comes, everyone stops playing and RF goes over and hits the play button. The band just sit there while the song plays. Then they go do whatever they were going to do. Mikewyz at aol dot com wrote: > I heard the latest "Weird Al" Yankovic album ("Poodle Hat") and it includes > a Zappa-ish song called "Genius in France." This song is not merely Zappa-ish, it is about as close to Zappa as you can get without . Weird Al lifts musical phrases and snippets from several Zappa songs and puts them together in what I think is a pretty good approximation/introduction to Frank Zappa. Even the lyrics seem like FZ wrote them. > Dweezil even appears on the track. Could a KCish song be in the future? I don't see Weird Al as a big KC fan. After, he has fun with his music. (just kidding...) Really, how weird would it be to have the same guy who 'covers' Michael Jackson ("Fat" and "Eat It" among others) and Madonna do a song parody 'in the style of King Crimson' ? I just don't see it happening. laters, ETers! - Buddy np: LTIA2 by Dokaka "hmmmm hm hmmmm hm hmmmm hm hmm hm hmmmmm hm hmmm..." Thanks again Aaron!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:32:57 -0500 From: "Craig" Subject: DAVID SYLVIAN to open for October Krimson tour New interview with David Sylvian has great quote at the end with Sylvian/Jansen plan to open for October Krimson tour................. INNERVIEWS: MUSIC WITHOUT BORDERS http://www.innerviews.org INNERNEWS July 16, 2003 DAVID SYLVIAN MINI-INTERVIEW Join Innerviews for a mini-interview with David Sylvian, who discusses details of his forthcoming tour in support of 'Blemish,' an adventurous and eclectic new album released through his own independent label Samadhi Sound. Please click here: http://www.innerviews.org to access the article. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:14:23 +0100 From: "Roger Merrison" Subject: Touring in the UK Will Crimson play any dates in the UK in 2003? If yes, where. If not, why not. There are plenty of people in the UK who would love to see and hear them. Best Regards Roger Merrison 20 Albion Road, Pitstone, Bucks. LU7 9AY Phone 01296 668505 Mobile 07710 511425 e-mail roger at acmade dot co dot uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 03:52:46 -0400 From: "NightWoundsTime" Subject: Bemusing Fripp&Toyah picture >From Toyah's website: http://www.toyahwillcox.com/graphics/gallery/gald14.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:07:59 +0200 From: Renzo_Pietrolungo Subject: KC_Villa_Solaria_Sesto_Fiorentino_setlist This is the setlist for Villa Solaria Sesto Fiorentino 25june2003 gig 01. The Power To Believe I: a capella 02. Level Five 03. ProzaKc Blues 04. ConstruKction of Light 05. Facts of Life 06. EleKtriK 07. The Power To Believe II 08. Dinosaur 09. One Time 10. Happy with what you have to be happy with 11. Dangerous Curves 12. Larks` Tongues In Aspic Part IV / Coda encores 13. medley: The Power To Believe III (the first part after the introduction) / Deception of the Thrush (the introduction and Trey ending solo) 14. Three of the Perfect Pair (Belew acoustic) 15. Elephant Talk 16. Red absolutely fantastic gig in an absolute fantastic place - Adrian said "wow...beautiful" no flashes till Red then some guy flashed RF and the audience insulted those stupid guys... I know that KC played track 13 in Rome too. Ciao Renzo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 07:50:14 -0500 From: wviland at thin-film dot com Subject: Mudvayne - And other demonic vocals My much younger brother and I have attended several KC shows in the past. I introduced him on to KC as you have probably guessed, and he was willing to put forward the effort, and cash, to attend and enjoy the shows. Recently, he has been trying to turn me to hard groups such as Mudvayne http://www.mudvayne.com/ The music is hard, fast, and interesting. However THE VOCALS SUCK!, and entirely ruin the music. Is their a way to filter this crap from the top so I could attend and enjoy a show? Maybe someone could elaborate on the purpose of the continual demonic growling to help me better understand. Perhaps the vocalist hates the double bass kick drums so much it puts him over the edge. I suppose it is intriguing to study a band that is so disturbing that very few will listen to them. : ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:58:15 -0400 From: "Arnold Schulberg" Subject: A Nod from Opinionjournal.com The Wall Street Journal's daily compendium of amusing tidbits, on Friday, July 11th, contained the following item that certainly tips the hat towards the KC song that gives this newsletter its name: Elephant Talk With Washington awash in dialogue, dualogue, diatribe, dissension, declamation and double talk, President Bush visited a wildlife preserve in Botswana yesterday, where he witnessed some elephantine eroticism, Reuters reports: Although the animals appeared to have been pre-positioned, their carnal instincts were beyond official control. After Bush posed for photographs with his hand on a tusk and climbed back into the truck, one of the elephants mounted his mate. That prompted the president to whisper something to his wife. The first lady responded by slapping him on the leg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:09:36 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: Since You've Gone; the total lack of UK gigs >Has anyone ever noticed the uncanny Frippish solo on The Cars song "Since You've Gone"? Is this an unaccredited Fripp appearance or just a good Fripp imitation? It's not Fripp but I've always thought that the Cars guy did a great job of reproducing Fripp's guitar tone on that song. >I think I too have a major problem with the total lack of UK gigs. Whilst I thought the last UK gig at Shepherds Bush was less than marvellous (material wasn't to MY taste, too hot, too crowded etc.) I did enjoy the last album and was looking forward to a London / South East gig. The point I want to raise is WHY? There are plenty of places to play... I think that Fripp has said that he is not anxious to play for the English press, also that he is overwhelmed by people coming backstage, asking for free tickets, etc. As a result he is not comfortable playing in London anymore. - S. np: Little Feat, Hoy Hoy scottst at ohsu dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:46:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Broadman Subject: CDs for sale I am selling the following King Crimson and Crimson related CDs, offering them to elephant talk readers before resorting to e-bay. King Crimson limited edition gatefold 30th anniversary CDs- all of them. In the Court of the Crimson King In the Wake of Poseidon Lizard Islands Earthbound Lark's Tongues in Aspic Starless in Bible Black Red USA Discipline Beat Three of a Perfect Pair Thrak King Crimson Collector's Club: #1: Live at the Marquee 1969 #2: Live at Jacksonville 1972 #5-6: On Broadway 1995 #9: Live at Summit Studios 1972 #11: Live at Moles Club 1981 #12: Live at Hyde Park 1969 #14: Live at Plymouth 1971 #18: Live in Detroit 1971 Steve Gorn, Tony Levin, Jerry Marotta- From the Cave of the Iron Mountain $10 per disc, plus buyer pays for shipping. Interested parties e-mail me at take5a at yahoo dot com. The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 01:04:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Rikard Grankvist Subject: How can one identify: Belew or Fripp? There's obviously a lot of that going on, since you always want to know who played that great solo on ***... Also, in tabs, you wanna be able to hear who's playing what. For those who can (or think they can) identify which guitar is Belew and which one is Fripp on a given recording with the Duoble Trio or the Quartet: How do you do it? What techniques do you use, or, what type of playing do you look for in both guitars to separate them? Just curious, Rikard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:21:52 +0100 From: Dan Smith Subject: REQUEST: Night Watch chords Hello--this is my first posting to ET in quite some time. I play acoustic guitar and sing from time to time in coffeeshops or in jam sessions with friends but am not particularly musically inclined. For that reason, I was hoping someone could give me a hand in figuring out the chords to "the Night Watch" which is a favorite of mine. If you happen to have them, or are able to figure them out without too much inconvenience, I would love to be able to play it--it is a lovely song. If you are able to figure them out, please e-mail me at smith_d_r at hotmail dot com. Thanks in advance! Daniel Smith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:55:09 +0200 From: Daniel Palomo Vinuesa Subject: "le projet flou" hello dear crimheads I don't know if the elephant talk moderator will accept too publish this mail but meanwhile I will apologize for this "intrusion" I also want too apologize for my very bad english my goal is too present too you my last CD "le projet flou" I try unsuccessfully too find a label too publish it since june 2002 so I have decided too put it on my home page http://perso.club-internet.fr/vinuesa/projet-flou/ you could download it freely in 128kbps mp3 (just enter on the english part of the site....) I'm now trying too made a naive and broke "promotional campaign" why a mail too "elephant talk" first because I 'm a "elephant talk" reader since 1998 and I know that others reader are often very curious about new and confidential music second because I'm Fripp/King crimson fan since 1970 (!) Fripp's music is probably my major influence and I suppose that another crimson fan could find some "familiar things" in "le projet flou" ie: use of looped soundscape fuzzy sustained guitars (by another great fripp addict my friend Pascal Dalmasso) mix of electronics sounds, rocks, and free improvisation.... of course I don't try to copy and maybe someone could not ear the connexion but it exist... I just try too make my music and share it with other people, and hope that some elephant talk readers could find some interest in it. for me the more frippian things on "le projet flou" are: http://serendipitymusique.free.fr/le-projet-flou-mp3-128kbps/01-le-projet-flou-d-palomo-intro.mp3 (some soprano saxophone soundscape) http://serendipitymusique.free.fr/le-projet-flou-mp3-128kbps/11-le-projet-flou-d-palomo-le-chat-quantique.mp3 I could just add that i'm also "under the influence" of Brian Eno, Steve Reich, Zappa, Jon Hassel, David Sylvian and Bela Bartok... I have read those name very often here :-) regards and thanks for feedback Daniel Palomo Vinuesa http://perso.club-internet.fr/vinuesa/projet-flou/ http://www.collectif-serendipity.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 07:40:05 +0100 From: David Barnes Subject: David Sylvian to support King Crimson? Apologies if this has come up already, but it seems a long while since I received a digest. In an Innerviews interview dated 16th July, discussing his upcoming Blemish tour in which Sylvian and Steve Jansen will have material from the album on laptops to improvise around, Sylvian is asked:- "Given the portability of the show, do you think you'll bring the tour to the States?" - "It wouldn't have been possible previously, but Robert [Fripp] asked us if we'd support a forthcoming King Crimson tour, so I thought that would be a good opportunity and I think I'm gonna do that. It's the first time I've really played a supporting role, but because it's Robert and because it's Crimson, I think it could work, so I'm going to give it a try. I think that tour is penned for late October." Is the October tour confirmed elsewhere? Here's one fan of both who will be sorely tempted to fly to the States for that! The full article is at: http://www.innerviews.org All the best to all, David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:04:04 +0200 From: "Papetti" Subject: doesn't John McEnroe play guitar, after all? an addendum to my 'Rome gig' review on ET#1133 (July 7th 03) Q.: Why does Crimson play in a tennis stadium? Simple! choose any of the following Italian Promoter's answer(s): (a) because Jethro Tull, Yes, Procol Harum, Carl Palmer, Ozric Tentacles and Vanilla Fudge will play/have played there this summer. (b) because KC is a prog band and this is a prog festival = see (a) (c) because the Double Trio played in the tennis court next to it on june 25th, 1996. (d) because the promoter has no idea of what both audience and musicians need in order to experience a good performance. (e) because most of the people in the audience has no idea of what both them and musicians need in order to experience a good perrformance = even a prior market survey on venues would fail to give KC and their audience a better venue. (f) because otherwise KC could not have played in Rome = a tennis stadium is all we can afford in Rome to organize rock concerts, no matter what KC say/ask. And this in spite of the fact there are HUNDREDS of theatres in Rome available in the summer, and one of the best-sounding multi-hall concert premises IN THE WORLD have been just inaugurated last december. (Incidentally, KC have been placed in that premises' building site in june 2000). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 07:37:43 -0400 From: "Labbauf, Les" Subject: 2X Drummers and UpDownC's Name In ET 1134 Daniel Chinn mentioned: "There's a pretty good two-drummer British band playing at the moment called (deep breath) "Up-C Down-C Left-C Right-C ABC + START". Or sometimes just "UpC DownC" for the sake of being able to print smaller flyers." I visited there website to try and confirm where they got the name "Up-C Down-C Left-C Right-C ABC+Start" . Although I there was no info on the website, I am pretty sure this harkens back to the old Nintendo Entertainment System game Contra. There was a cheat for this game that when entered on the control pad would give you a whole bunch of lives and ammo. The cheat went like this: UP, DOWN, UP, DOWN, LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT, RIGHT, A,B. START. Too close to be a coincidence don't you think. Les Labbauf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:19:00 +0400 From: =?koi8-r?Q?=22?=Vladimir Kalnitsky" Subject: The Russificated King Crimson All Russian (and not only Russian) speaking ETers are welcome to the fully updated "IndoorGames - The Russificated King Crimson" site. It's new address is: http://indoorgames.boom.ru . Plus to the widened basic content you'll find there: interview with Pat Mastelotto, Saint Petersburg press-conference revue, Moscow gig revue, Fripp's Russian diaries. Don't forget to leave your message in the Guest Book. Crimsonly yours, Vladimir Kalnitsky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 08:46:48 +0200 From: "Eddy de Causmaecker" Subject: Re Fripp with Van Der Graaf "Re Fripp with Van Der Graaf.... something's been bugging me when I listen to the "Pawn Hearts" album. That monstrously beautiful noise at the end of "A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers" (just before the choral fadeout) is sometimes cited as one of Fripp's greatest guest solos... but I'm not sure that it's actually him! It sounds suspiciously like Hugh Banton's Farfisa organ put through some serious Frippish effects pedals. Could anyone throw some more light on whether this is the case or not?" It's definitely no guitar part, it sounds indeed like Banton's Farfisa organ. "most of the VdGG material is really crying out for a decent remastering to help the overwhelmed listener." There's a lot of remastered stuff on "The Box" CD set Best Wishes, Eddy Flycatcher flycatcher at zeelandnet dot nl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:17:29 -0500 From: "Craig" Subject: Re: RADIOHEAD >any King Crimson fans who HAVEN'T checked out OK Computer, Kid A, >Amnesiac or Hail to the Thief - I recommend you do so. Radiohead is >producing some of the most intelligent music in the modern scene, and it's >well worth the listen. >Darin Definitely!!! Especailly "OK COMPUTER"........... Essential album!! (Have yet to hear the new one) ~C ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 13:47:17 +0100 From: "Wafo" Subject: Airbag Hello Listened to Radiohead's Airbag yesterday, and I don't know where the Starless idea comes from at all, but the opening riff is surely more than reminiscent of the cello section of Red. Is this where the inspiration for the KC comparison arose? Anyhow, if it was Crimson-inspired, the favour was surely returned, as the "I have a dream" coda to LTIA 4 seems to owe quite a lot to the "from a great height" section of Paranoid Android. Just a thought. W ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:57:19 -0400 From: Gary Davis Subject: Charts Hi, folks: I recently posted The Artist Shop's Top 50 charts for the month of June . Here are a few on the list that Crimson fans might find interesting along with their ranking. 1. Sylvian, David Blemish CD 11. 21st Century Schizoid Band Official Bootleg CD 15. No-Man Together We're Stranger CD 18. Hammill, Peter Clutch CD 19. Bears, The Live CD 34. Asia Live in Moscow DVD 47. Wetton, John Rock of Faith CD 49. Raisins Everything and More CD set of 4 David Sylvian's Blemish had a very strong first place finish. It was pretty well ahead of the rest of the pack. 21st Century Schizoid Band's 11th placing is very significant as it's not a new release. We've had it since December, so the fact that it's ranked 11 all the way into June is pretty darn good! Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Artist Shop Radio Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:53:35 -0400 From: Block Subject: 2X Drummers In 1970 Joe Cocker, Leon Russell and the Mad Dogs and Englishmen toured with 3 drummers, including Jim Gordon, Jim Keltner and Chuck Blackwell. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:11:26 -0400 From: Michael Bennett Subject: Latest Belew? The latest solo Belew would be Coming Attractions, not Op Zop To Wah, althought he latter is probably his definitive work, if there is such a thing! -- Visit my page: http://home.att.net/~illoman See my paintings! Sign my guest book! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:14:04 -0400 From: Tim Subject: Fripp and The Cars revisited > The reason the solo sounds uh, "Frippish" is because it's played using an > e-Bow. Many of us playing guitar now use them, and so the bowed-electric > sound loved by us all need not be confined to RF. Also there's a Bass > version. Uh, what makes you say that? It sure sounds like classic Les Paul sustain to me. I can get the same sound with the good old Big Muff sustain pedal, no ebow necessary. And the solo in question sure sounds picked in certain areas (not to mention that the video shows it being played conventionally-I realize that's not iron clad evidence by any stretch but its worth noting). Whether it is or not isn't that big a deal, it just seems that there's always a big rush to insist that that sound can only be produced by an ebow-unless you're Robert Fripp. Now Robert is certainly very talented but I don't think he has electromagnets in his fingers (I may have bamboozled the technology a bit but you get the point). And now back to King Crimson... Tim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 01:19:56 -0500 From: John Michael Beard Subject: Re: Belew solos At 05:07 AM 7/20/03 +0100, you wrote: >Daniel Chinn wrote: >Talking Heads - "Born Under Punches (The Heat Goes On)" - Possibly the best >electronic/experimental solo Ade's come up with Definitely Ade-influenced, but according to interviews that one really IS David Byrne. John Michael Beard www.elvibes.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 02:02:57 -0600 From: Matthew Sottile Subject: Belew, twice removed The recent thread regarding great Belew solos recently came up, and one that was mentioned was Born Under Punches (The Heat Goes On) from the Talking Heads, Remain in Light album. A friend turned me on to a recent release by Phish (Live Phish #15) where they covered the entire album on their yearly Halloween cover-night. I must say, speaking as someone who can't handle much Phish (they grate on me pretty quick), they did an EXCELLENT job on that album. I have found disc 2 of the release frequently in my cd player (#1 and #3 being the original Phish material that excites me significantly less). So, for those of you who found Adrian's work on that TH album to be of interest, the Phish version is definitely worth checking out. They were pretty true to the original, extending a few songs out with some apt jams that did nothing more than enhance the original. Not quite King Crimson, but hey - it's just 2 degrees (or so) away. -m ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 02:36:40 -0600 From: Matthew Sottile Subject: letterman? > I just saw The Dead last night on Letterman and I'd say on average, > that > the drummers played maybe 1 out of every 10 notes differently --- other I admit, in my last two posts I've deviated from the KC specific topics, but this was just so bad it warranted a reply. Judging a band based on it's performance on Letterman/Leno/SNL is a horrible thing. I recently spent two days up in Denver to see the latest incarnation of The Dead at Red Rocks (speaking of denver - I'm still pissed at that snowstorm that cost me two KC shows... Argh!). Other than a few basic country-style songs in their catalog, very few involved, from my vantage point, two drummers playing in sync. The Rhythm Devils are alive and well, although a few years older than most 'rock stars'. I have a few MPEG movies thanks to my nifty little digital camera from the 'drums' segments of 7/7 that definitely exhibit the drumming juices of those two. Honestly, if you get away from the tiny bit of poppy stuff they did (uncle johns band, sugar magnolia, etc... maybe 5 or so songs out of a catalog of an order of magnitude more...), you really see quite an aurally interesting rhythmic duet. Definitely far from "two drummers playing the same thing" - heck, I bet if you asked Mickey if that was the case, he'd reply "then what'd be the point of two?". Ok - no more dead references from me from now on. KC only. :) -m ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:55:01 +0200 From: Jasperse Subject: J.G. Bennett tapes on CD Hello! I just read about RF listening to JGB speeches on his iPod. Some ten years ago I owned a few compact cassettes with very interesting and enlightening Sherbourne House talks. Is there anybody out there who can tell me if these talks are available on CD or for download since I cannot find Claymont Communications who sold me the cassettes on the web. any information in this case would be highly appreciated Chiel Jasperse ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:25:48 +0200 From: Juro Olejnik Subject: Prague and Budapest shows Hello all, I had the luck to find some money to afford to attend two shows on the TPOTB tour and it turned to be the best decision that I could make :-) The Prague gig was an academic one -- we had to sit on chairs in a Congress Centre and whole performance was not very "close" to the audience. It seemed more like a classic music concerto. The performance was naturally without errors and the playlist was (at least I think) identical to the one in Moscow (as somebody posted here). The only think that I didn't like was the fact, that the closer you were to the stage (I was in the 8th row), the louder was the sound -- and it was just too loud. Well, for the first moment I didn't enjoy the show as much as I expected, it took a longer time to appreciate the whole experience. And one more funny thing: Adriand Belew introduced himself as Brian Eno -- as it turned out in Hungary, it has to be same sort of "inside-band" type of humor. One more thing that I didn't like was the poor quality (despite really high prices) of the T-shirts and other merchandise. Actually all tour T-shirts had the US tour dates printed, no Europe, I wonder why.... And the tour box disappointed me -- just some interviews and 2-3 songs, I'm happy that I didn't invest more money.... ...because I could spare it for the Budapestian (and the last!) show. It was a completely different type of experience -- an outdoor happening, with me and my friends in the very first row. What really did *impress* me was the communication of Adrian and Pat with the audience -- they looked at the people, smiled, it was very pleasant... KC seemed to enjoy the last show, they even invited a pair of "dangerously curved" belly-dancing girls during "Dangerous Curves" :-) Even thought the playlist was (with the addition of some improv and substraction od Three Of A Perfect Pair) the same, I enjoyed it much more. In addition I have Pat's drumstick (as well as both of my friends :-), so there's nothing that could be better, even the sound turned to be perfect. Now I know why KC is one of the best band ever.... not only at home from CDs, but mainly live. Oh, I would forget -- it was Robert Fripp who was introduced as Brian Eno this time ;-) And the last thing -- Adrian Belew is the most charismatic frontman I have ever seen -- I was literally impressed... I hope KC will keep going, because I had the impression that Robert Fripp was a little bit bothered by every bit of attention paid to his person... Hope it wasn't too much reading, OLE. P.S.: I have one more (maybe strange ) question to everybody: I have all the "30th Anniversary" series discs, but I have USA as "vinyl replica" digipak, therefore I store it in a separate box. Could someone who has the normal jewel case scan (150dpi) the back (and maybe even the front) cover for me? I would like to have it all in the same style decorated box (with the nice tiny cover on the side). Thanks.... my mail is above. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:45:20 EDT From: GenoTT at aol dot com Subject: The Mincer >I am very curious about KC's song from SABB, The Mincer. Was this a live >improv that John Wetton dubbed his voice over as I suspect, or did >actually sing live. Or perhaps this was actually a written song, but it >doesn't appear like it to my ears. Richard Palmer-James is credited with the lyrics. So either John added them to the tune later in the studio (which is my best guess), or John just sang them during the improv since they hadn't mtached the lyrics up with a composition yet. >Lastly, why does the song end the way it does? Did the tape >run out, or what? If anyone knows, please post their answer. Yes, the tape ran out. According to Robert, standard procedure (at least sometimes) was to have two tape machines running at different intervals, so one would always keep going when the other conked out. So even though the S&BB recording ends abruptly, the two parts of that improv that bookended "The Mincer" itself were also recorded. They were included on the Great Deceiver box as "The Law of Maximum Distress," parts 1 and 2. I heartily second the motion of releasing this year's unscheduled P3 show as a KCCC release! I almost went to that show but eventually decided to stay home, and I'm still kicking myself over it. -geno ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:17:46 +0000 From: "Cameron Devlin" Subject: Fripp's latest diary entries... I haven't read an issue of Elephant Talk since before issue 1000, but after flicking through the last 3 on ETWeb, and noticing that no one's really talked about it yet, I thought I'd point it out, also in the hope that Fripp might still read ET. In case you haven't been keeping up to date, it seems the European Tour is not going well (the entries are coming up slowly.. it hasn't even reported on the Paris gig yet) - so badly that Fripp has termed it as "The King Crimson Farewell Tour Of Europe (2003)." I'm particularly interested to see what he says about the Paris gig, because I was there, and it was the best concert I have ever been to - not just musically, not just sonically, but the audience was the best I have ever been a part of. Not a single flash, only 1 stupid comment ("SCHIZOID MAN!!!!" just before Deception of the Thrush), and when they kicked into Red, the whole place bumrushed the stage, one girl in front of me literally turned round to the audience behind her and motioned for us to stand, and I noticed someone doing the same on the other side of the theatre. As far as the music is concerned, there was not a dull moment. This has never ever happened to me before. In most of the concerts I go to, there's a moment in the middle, or during a particularly long song, where I'm thinking "I hope this ends soon". It's not as pronounced when I see King Crimson, but it was there the last few times (Nashville & London 2000). But this time, nothing. Perfect. So obviously, I hope that Robert felt that too. I hope that it was enough to give him hope for Europe yet, because I don't want to have to fly to America every time King Crimson go on tour (indeed, I wouldn't be able to). And so I come onto the part that I hope Fripp reads. He's feeling less and less connected to the audience. He seems to be of the opinion that if the music was good every night, that the whole touring experience would be worth it. So I have the answer to his problems. A screen. A screen, with a light shining on it, so that the audience can only see his silouette. Fripp is screened from any flashes that might go off, and the gimmick of "not being able to see Fripp" becomes even more gimmicky. Of course, he couldn't pop his head round at the end of the gig, because the flashes would be tremendous. If however, that might make it impossible to connect to any audience anywhere, simply lower it from the rafters when Fripp presses one of the buttons in his rig. It might sound like I'm taking the piss a bit here, but I'm totally serious. I don't go to see King Crimson because I want to watch Fripp. It's the only opportunity anyone in my part of the world can see Adrian Belew, Trey Gunn or Pat Mastelotto doing their thing. It's bad enough now that I have to get to Paris just to see them, but I'll do it for every tour as long as they KEEP DOING EUROPE. This will probably fall on deaf ears, but I had to give it a try anyway. Thanks for the amazing concert - if it truely is the last one, I can't think of a better way to have ended it. Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:18:35 -0400 From: David Vella Subject: Mike Giles/Ian Wallace Hi all, This isn't really part of the double drummer's thread, it's actually separate questions about each drummer. First, is there any information available about why Giles quit the 21CSB? I was looking forward to seeing him drum for the first time in my life when the band (eventually) tours the USA. Second, can we have a report about Ian Wallce's new CD? I still haven't picked up the first one (Take A Train) yet. (Shame on me!) And now here's a sequel. If a person only had ready funds for one of them, which one is better? Thanks, all. David Vella ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 19:52:02 +0300 From: Jari Schroderus Subject: Re: Airbag - Radiohead To me the beginning of Aribag does sound more like the middle bit of Red. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 20:14:16 +0200 From: "Martin Nevels" Subject: new fact regarding William Gibson and Robert Fripp Today I started reading William Gibsons "Pattern Recognition". On the front is displayed the back of a CD. It's says (in reverse print) DGM 9704. That is the catalogue number for Robert Fripp's "Pie Jesu". See als http://et.stok.co.uk/articles/879-12.html. Worth posting in ET newsletter? Regards, Martin Nevels MSN Zoeken, voor duidelijke zoekresultaten! http://search.msn.nl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:13:35 -0300 From: "Stratomailer" Subject: Double Drummers Hello! I thought it would be interesting to mention the following on this "2 drummers" subject. A couple of weeks ago I saw on TV a John Lennon concert (in Canada, I think?) where the band didn't only have 2 drummers, but 2 bassists and (counting John) 2 guitarists - A Double Trio! Well, they also had someone on saxophone and Yoko Ono on..... umm, whatever she was doing (she switched between playing organ horribly and singing horribly). Of course, the music was hardly progressive, all duos played pretty much the same (except for one of the guitarists who took the role of playing solos and leads while John sung) and the show *really* sucked (as much as I like John's stuff). But still, I thought it was fun to see a double trio 20 years before KC's... Oh well then... later. Luis ps: if anyone knows what concert I'm talking about... is Tony Levin playing there? Cause' that would really be ironic, wouldn't it? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:50:59 +0100 From: Henrik Subject: 7/5/93... on 20/7/03 1:13, Elephant Talk at et at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk wrote: > 7/5/93... 'The first day' Yeah, what a great album, a bit sad but I've actually had dreams where I met fripp and asked him when they would get together and make a second album, can't remember what he said though.... re: belew albums, I will recommend people to go on to www.gemm.com and search for the bears (artist), good chances of finding 'the bears' ('87) and 'rise and shine' ('88) on decent second hand vinyl. I still listen to those albums and they're are great, not to sure about the latest release from the lads.... have a good week everyone, can't wait for that sylvian concert @ RFH in september! Henrik/londra ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:37:38 +0200 From: Roderich von Detten Subject: new krimson tour with support by d.sylvian good evening hippies, while surfing THE NET, i stumbled upon a new interview with david sylvian, regarding his latest album "blemish" and a forthcoming tour - and: Q.: "Given the portability of the show, do you think youll bring the tour to the States? A.: It wouldnt have been possible previously, but Robert [Fripp] asked us [david sylvian and brother steve jansen] if wed support a forthcoming King Crimson tour, so I thought that would be a good opportunity and I think Im gonna do that. Its the first time Ive really played a supporting role, but because its Robert and because its Crimson, I think it could work, so Im going to give it a try. I think that tour is penned for late October." this sounds very interesting, doesn't it? source: http://www.innerviews.org/ greetings roderich ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:55:00 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: Toyah as Calamity Jane; ProjeKct 3 at the last moment >I just saw a publicity shot for the current UK West End revival of Calamity Jane. We'd love to see this shot at your favorite website. >What would be a great release for a future selection, however, would be the show where Ade got sick and ProjeKct Three had to go on at the last moment. I too would love to hear this show. - S. np: Mr. Keeling's arrangement of LTIA Part 2 with the Metropole Orchestra. I can't wait to purchase an actual copy of this. scottst at ohsu dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:13:03 +0200 From: "edo" Subject: GIG REVIEW: KC Paris concert review (Tuesday, 8 july 2003) King Crimson's show Tuesday, 8 july 2003 Palais des Congres, Paris I had the luck to seat front row in the center, hey man... 19h30 - the "Palais des Congres" was 10% full, the show was intended to begin at 20h30 20h15 - A french guy stepted onstage and said in the microphone not to take photo and not to smoke 20h30 - The same guy repeated what he said previously begining with: "on the Band's express request" and a large amount of the crowd were apparently pissed off, they yelled and "bouuuhhh" the innocent guy, their attitude really pissed me off... 20h45 - The hall was nearly full, RF came onstage, and played beautiful music for us, strong soundscapes. 21h00 - The band came onstage and began with Ade singing TPTB a Capella, strong moment, very resonant. The feeling is there, passing through the electronic machines. (then) -Level 5 - Strong rendition of the song, full of energy and low ends that make you thrill (Pat's electronic drumming) (IMHO the sound was way too loud, the mixing was OK, you can hear what was going on, but it did really hurted the ears during all the show) -ProzaKc Blues - Ade played beautifully, he's THE frontguy! -TCOL - Trey has "fairy" fingers! his intro was powerful. -Facts of life - I was strongly waiting to see Robert playing this one, and he did with superb class! The solo section was incredible, Robert playing his line a little bit off tempo, that gave the solo a more psychotic and distorded sound (the sound was way too loud and it disturbed the clarity of his playing IMHO) -Elektrik - beautiful rendition, for shame a great portion of the crowd claps their hands just before the final RF/AB final duet, I may had sensed a little disapointment in Ade's face. -TPTB II - beautiful, i don't have the words... all the players did a very good job, i wish i had a cam recorder to replay it and see it again.... -Dinosaur - Ade seemed really to enjoy that one, and Robert not (IMHO) -One time - BEAUTIFUL! minimalist version, way better than the sextet one. -HTBHWWYHTBH - the intro was full of voices samples played by Pat, great entrance to this Nuovo Metal hit, soloing by Ade was as usual for this show so wonderful and full of energy -Dangerous Curves - the song slowly grow louder and the crowd judged good to applause nearly one minute after the real begining of the song, anyway great rendition there, Pat was having a great night IMHO. This song was melted to Larks tongue IV, so they are one and only one song now I think, great piece of music there! I think Dangerous Curves is the song of the contemporary line up that fills the gap between modern beat mainstream music and KC, and Lark's Tongues in Aspic IV is the KC testamony to a wrecked world ("All the world is dangerous full of homicidals and terrorists" =This Is What I Believed In= from Ade's album : INNER REVOLUTION) note: for me the USA have also terrorist sides in their foreing platform, and i weight my words.... Great great song anyway, very resonant moment. This might be KC conclusion in term of musical speech. THE END.... ENCORES: -Deception Of The Thrush - on "level 5" (live CD) this song touched me in a way i never have been before, its concept is far stronger than anything else I heard so far. The thrush is a very mysterious bird even today, due to its fear of the outside world, people cannot study this hiding bird, and so is the "thing" that happens onstage when Krimson plays. This rendition was awesome! (even if for me the best rendition is on Level 5 album) -Frame by Frame - it is so good to hear the classics played live in front of you (I never saw live the 80's line up), i saw on Deja Vrooom the sextet version, but a quartet version is the right way to play that one. RF job was SUPERB, i repeat myself, it was superb class there. If i remember it well, RF played the fourth on belew's line at the third verse, it sounded magnificent! Ade gave all his picks, and I really envy those guys who get them... -Red - Lot of people in front of the stage standing and yelling, it was a nice moment. Ade gave his last pick Pat threw in the crowd a drum pad Trey threw another one I think RF was happy and left a little moment after saluating the audience, Ade Pat and Trey were smiling at us. Standing ovation... It was my favorite show in all my life... a great moment that I will keep in my mind memories forever.... note: please excuse my bad english ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:34:24 +0100 From: "Russell Whitworth" Subject: GIG REVIEW: North Sea Jazz Festival, 12 July We arrived just 15 minutes before curtain up time (not that there was a curtain) to find the concrete seating in front of the wide but shallow stage already full. Having travelled all the way from the UK just for this event I was getting worried that I was only going to be able to hear -- but not see -- King Crimson's appearance at the North Sea Jazz Festival. I needn't have worried too much. The initial blast of "Level Five" -- rather amusingly -- had a lot of people, particularly the over-50s, running for cover. I don't know if they had been expecting some sort of quiet jazz ensemble (a reasonable expectation in the environment), or perhaps they had heard of King Crimson and were expecting "In the Court of the Crimson King" -- but for whatever reason, around a fifth of the audience retreated to safer jazz noodling territory before the end of the first song. So my wife and I moved to the standing area at the front of the stage, where we were just about able to see Adrian and Pat, with occasional glimpses of Trey, and a fine view of the back of Robert's head (complete with headphones). Yes, I had dragged my wife along, on the pretext that we were going to see a jazz festival, and -- oh, look -- King Crimson is appearing so we might as well go and see them while we're here. And I wasn't the only one; there were women in this audience! Apart from the early exodus (mostly led by women, it has to be said, dragging their husbands/partners to safety), many of the women stayed put and even seemed to be enjoying themselves. Is this the solution to Crimson finding a more balanced audience, i.e. play more festivals? Once the audience had been pruned down to those that really wanted to listen, the performance was stunning. This was my first time seeing the current line-up (I never saw the 60s/70s Crimson, saw the 80s band twice, and saw the double-trio once). It is unbelievably powerful and tight. Adrian, in particular, has developed from being the "front man" to being the on-stage leader and centre of this band. It seems to have taken some 22 years to gain full acceptance, but Adrian is now a member of King Crimson! I can no longer imagine this band without him. I had independent verification on this: my wife also commented that "Adrian has changed since we last saw him - he looks younger, and really seems to be enjoying himself." "Red" was a highlight. Having just the previous day read Sid's excellent diary entry regarding this track, I was watching the little twists and embellishments that Adrian has introduced. Again, for the first time in 22 years Adrian seems to have claimed rightful ownership of the performance rather than guesting as stunt guitarist on someone else's piece of music. But Sid's comments did not prepare me for the Monstrous Power of Pat, henceforth to be known as MPoP. The MPoP approach to "Red" is very different from Bruford (okay, I admit it, I do still miss Bruford/Levin) - it is impossible to describe the sheer energy coming from his direction and stomping the audience into the concrete bleachers. The "gamelan" section of "The Power to Believe II" was another highlight; I hadn't realised that much of this percussion section comes from Adrian, as well as MPoP. Robert shone in "Dinosaur", with a wonderful twisted solo. Adrian was frequently grinning towards Robert, and appeared to be having a good time. I couldn't see what expression (if any) was being returned. I haven't mentioned Trey - because I saw very little of him. I had expected his presence to be a bit more noticeable in the current band than in the double-trio days, but apparently not. Perhaps it was just that I was standing at the wrong end of the stage. There had been a stage announcement prior to the show starting requesting no smoking at the front, and absolutely no photographs. Both rules were being broken, although not a great deal. Adrian would have been justified in asking for less smoke, although in a semi-open environment (this was an enclosed space but with open sides) the smoke was dispersing rather than accumulating. Photography was happening in moderation, and there were stage crew camera-spotters who were occasionally intercepting offenders with gentle warnings - nothing worse. Although I saw one or two flashes go off, we were in daylight and hence they weren't particularly noticeable. In all, the disruptions were as few as you could reasonably expect from a "festival" sort of crowd. The absolute highlight for me -- by a long way -- was "Larks' Tongues in Aspic IV". Robert's high-speed section was played meticulously, and I enjoyed watching his left arm zip up and down the guitar neck; in fact from my view this was the only part of his anatomy with any visible movement throughout the show! Next was Adrian's solo and it was so indescribably beautiful that it left me -- literally -- with tears in my eyes. This was truly a moment when King Crimson manifested itself in a tangible form. The transition to the wonderful perpetual descending chord sequence of the Coda maintained the intensity, but the song ended too soon and without any vocals (perhaps Adrian's millenium-inspired lyrics have been overshadowed by this planet's dreadful collective behaviour in more recent times?). It is sad that such a powerful atmosphere is so fragile - it can be punctured by just one person's inappropriate action. The guitarist stood up, and with his back to the audience placed his guitar on its stand, then strode purposefully towards the exit at the rear of the stage. No backward glance, no acknowledgement of the standing ovation. This disturbing, petulant and above all insulting action left me feeling embarrassed for the three other musicians, who took the applause on their own. I suppose they have had to learn to deal with such behaviour. I still can't imagine a King Crimson without the faceless one's compositional input. But with Adrian's current enthusiasm, maturity and mastery I can certainly imagine a touring band that excludes Robert. The music does not deserve such a reluctant participant. As a post-script, later in the evening we found ourselves in a hall featuring a live non-stop radio broadcast from a local station, Radio West. It wasn't planned that way, but we had walked past the door, liked the sounds drifting into the corridor, and went inside to sit on the comfortable carpet for a while. The radio presenter, at a desk on stage, was interviewing various jazz musicians and then inviting them to perform one or two songs with the house band. Very spontaneous, and great fun to see some very talented musicians being challenged to come up with something special... which they never failed to do. Apart from the great music, it was also fun to watch the challenge of maintaining continuity of a live radio show in demanding circumstances, including cutting to the travel news on-cue, etc. The interviews were mostly in English, with the interviewer himself providing instant translations into Dutch of the best anecdotes. Being a mono-linguist myself, it always amuses me to witness people so easily able to shift languages in mid-sentence! They also had a "roving reporter" elsewhere in the building, picking on passing celebrities. And who should he pick on for interview but Adrian Belew! We listened to Adrian praise the supportive and enthusiastic audience - much better than the previous night's "heavy rock" audience (at a festival in Belgium), who apparently really didn't take to Crimson at all. The interviewer must have been a bit of a fan, as he knowledgeably asked Adrian about Crimson's ability to appear "when there is King Crimson music to be played." Adrian laughingly replied that that was a Fripp quote, and that the rest of them "often didn't understand some of the things that Robert says." When asked whether he was staying to listen to some more music, Adrian said that sadly they now had to depart immediately for Montreaux. Adrian's nice comments about the audience went some way to repairing the damage that had been done earlier... too bad that very few would have heard the interview. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:34:22 +0200 From: "frits jurriens" Subject: GIG REVIEW: The hague, Netherlands (North Sea Jazz Festival) Hello dinosaurs, Yes I actually paid the absurd amount of 55,- to hear King Crimson perform live for exactly one hour and 15 minutes. I even paid for my girlfriend's ticket... I hate The Hague, and I hate the North Sea Jazz Festival, simply because it is a festival. You can't go nowhere with the enormous amount of people jammed in one place. Public transportation in The Hague is a nightmare. Any form of transportation actually But I love music! And I love Crimson. Finally I got to see and hear them, yes!!! The performance was good and got better towards the end. My, what a shame that by the time the band got into full swing the concert was already over... The sound was good, but it wasn't all that heavy. They brag about how metal they are these days but I would have liked to hear both Adrian and Robert more upfront in the mix. Could be the fact that they play at a jazz festival... Setlist? Uhmmmm... Well, they did play: Level 5, Happy, Construction... , Dinosaur, Curves, One time, Elektric? , Red, Shogunai, TLiA 4 I was especially impressed by Pat. That man is great, well so are the others ofcourse, but there really is no need to cry over Bill Bruford's departure... He enjoyed playing. He seems to get more 'space' than Bill did at the time. O, and Adrian is such a joy. He is really huggeable and cute. Sometimes I tend to forget what a great vocalist he actually is. But listening to One time made me remember.. Robert sort of smiled every now and then, but for most of the time he was concentrated. And he could be, there were no pictures taken during the show, or hardly... Trey was concentrated too. He looked like a japanese joga teacher or something. Every now and then There was some inside interaction between Trey and Pat, I couldn't figure out what they were smiling about. Conclusion? Good show, too short, but you can't blame KC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:10:58 +0200 From: Roger Corvers Subject: GIG REVIEW: North Sea Jazz Festival, The Hague, Netherlands, July 12th 2003 Wow, what a show. Finally, my 1st Crimson show ! (I missed them on the European Tour 2000). Crimson had only 75 minutes to perform due to the strict North Sea Jazz festival program, but they gave there best during the time they were given. No soundscape intro and no encore(s). At exactly 18:00 PM they blasted into the opening of that festivals' saturday, smoothed down a bit halfway the performance keeping constant power and intensity and then blasted out again 'til exactly 19:15 PM. The show took place in a kind of outside pavillion, stuck to the back of the congres centre building. A very intimite atmosphere with part of the audience standing on a surface in front of the stage, only about 5 meters deep and 20 meters wide, the first row leaning onto the stage. The major part of the audience was sitting on a galary / grandstand which surrounded the standing part in front of the stage and looked down on it. So this pavillion gave the opportunity and feeling of short distance and close contact between band and audience; even on the seatings in the very back you could see the band in detail. We were sitting in the 5th row on the galary / grandstand, 2 meters out of the centre, so we had an excellent view and hearing. The band played LOUD. What an explosion ! The sound wasn't bad but could be better. Although Pat and Trey sounded perfect, Adrian's sound was sometimes a bit too high, a kind of almost squeezing into my ears (and I'm used to some volume ;-). He also sounded louder than the rest at some moments. This also counts for Robert's volume in some parts, like Adrian and Robert overruling each other. Adrian's vocals sounded bad through the microphone during the first half of the show. From "One Time" on he sounded bright and clear again. And then I had the feeling that Robert wasn't completely satisfied about his own sound during that first half. I once saw him shaking his head. I think the course of this lies in the festival's PA. But I could be mistaken and ofcourse after the show Robert rushed away as quick as he could ;-)) while the other crims stood up in line to bend over to thank the over-enthousiastic audience. So all in all: A SHORT BUT OVERWELMING SHOW though I really did miss "The deception of the trush". After seeing Crimson on this show I love and appreciate their new material even better than I did; I was seeing what I had been hearing. Here's the set list how it stayed into my memory: North Sea Jazz Festival, The Hague, Netherlands, July 12th 2003: -Happy with what you have to be happy with Level 5 Elektrik The -construKction of light Shoganai Virtuous circle One Time Dinosaur -Dangerous curves Larks' tongues in aspic part IV Red Roger, Netherlands ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1136 *********************************