Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1133 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1133 Saturday, 5 July 2003 Today's Topics: No UK Gigs Crimso DVD / Roxy Music Crimson DVD, sigur ros Re: set list for Moscow concert ok, one more @ lyrics...... Requiem ? Uncle Bobby's Back 21Century Schizoid Band "Level Five" tab Check this out. Weird Al does Zappa LISTEN NOW! Clams of the Crimson Kings! GIG REVIEW: Rome, Italy June 24th 2003 GIG REVIEW: KC Prague concert review (17. 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ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 10:45:14 +0100 From: "steve reynolds" Subject: No UK Gigs Dear All, No UK gigs, ah well, he is a funny one, after all, aint he? Instead of moping or feeling slighted, why not form a band playing 'King Crimson' Music. Here is my philosophy on the PrOjecKt. Say it could be called, ooh I don't know; (the) 22nd Century Schizm Band! and instead of playing the old King Crimson Hits! we could play all of the new new material from the lastest line up, yes I know what your thinking, it is probably well beyond my meagre talents also, but hey it could be worth a go, think of the money those tribute bands make. Or if those diities are to hard to play or we dont have the necessary electronic equipment to meet the challenge, then we could try to predict which sonic direction KC will go next, er..... Gamelan?, no they did that in the 80's, erm, Heavy rock, no that was the 70's group, the Blues? ouch! that was the unfortunate 71-72 lot (poor sods, emotionaly scared you know). Progressive rock, whoops no, can't say the P word far to easily misinterpreted by some evil individual in the media. Improvise for 2 and half hours?, now that sounds easy, don't have to write anything then, yep that's it! Well, what do you think, any takers, only former Guitar Crafters, (it's in the wrist action) and world class bass guitar players/sessioners need apply, oh sorry and one other drummer, so we can cover the double drummer thing also. SXR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 12:26:52 -0400 From: "hologram" Subject: Crimso DVD / Roxy Music I also would love to see some 72 -74 KC released on DVD. I have an old video of a Beat Club performance of LTIA pt.1,with Jamie Muir. One would assume the whole Beat Club Bremen album was recorded, since Beat Club is a television program. Plus I have seen excerpts of Easy Money from the same era. Obviously video does exist. ++++++++++++++ I have the Musikladen / Beat Club DVD of Roxy Music,which is outstanding. Not only for Roxy Music, (who have an amazing amount of early video recorded) but for the presence of John Wetton on a few songs. +++++++++++++ Now for the rudimentary Roxy Music / KC parallels. (apologies to the masses for whom this is common knowledge) Robert Fripp helped Roxy Music secure a recording contract. Peter Sinfield produced the first Roxy Music album. Eno and Fripp formed a long term relationship. John Wetton toured with Roxy Music after KC disbanded. (a tour which I was fortunate enough to see) Eddie Jobson added overdubs on USA. ++++++++++++++ How do we as fans get these historical documents into our possession? I'm not sure if writing to DGM would help but I will certainly try. Any other thoughts or suggestions? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:49:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jimmy Bob Subject: Crimson DVD, sigur ros Wow, a KC DVD of archive footage? Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet! I haven't even gotten th Led Zep one (but still looking) and I'm already drooling... Though, to get to the point, there have to be a few pieces of footage to DO get on this DVD. For example: BEAT CLUB footage: You can find some footage of Crimso @ the Beat Club thru I-Mesh or Kazaa or other file sharing services, but the footage is from a video (so I've heard) which is the "Best of..." for performers at the Beat Club, and -- I must mention this -- a really annoying graphic of the band's name and line-up that for about fifteen seconds is inserted over the footage of the band. The DVD version should be annoying graphic free and, oh yeah, should include the other songs performed at the Beat Club that night. You know: "Exiles" and the long improv dubbed "The Rich Tapestry of Life". There's got to be footage of these two pieces lying around somewhere... LIVE ON GERMAN TV: an 11-minute version of "Easy Money" that was on a German TV station (don't know what it's called) in '73/'74. You can find this one on the internet too, but the audio and video is very grainy. Still, it should be included, it's a great example of how the 72-74 lineup could really kick @$$. TOP OF THE POPS: Duh. That one time when KC mimed (heeheehee) "Cat Food" on Top of the Pops. There are some stills of them, but no footage available (it might be a minor royalty battle dealing with this footage). Heck, it could even include the 80's music videos and some other stuff. Moving on to other things... This might be off-topic, or it might not, I'm not really sure, but... I was on the Sigur Ros news site just a week or two ago when I found out they had a new music video out for their song "Untitled #1" (or "Vaka" as it's also known). I mention it because the video's visual motif bears some resemblance to the front and back cover artwork for TPtB. Or perhaps I'm exaggerating, I don't know. Why not see the music video yourself, and if you see that I might've been exaggerating the resemblance (and/or have wasted your time by suggesting that you check out an other band's music video, which is quite good if I may say so myself), you can send me an e-mail that says something like: "Well, I didn't really see/notice any resemblance. Perhaps it's a product of your over-active imagination/a subconscious attempt to somehow link two bands that you like together/all those drugs you're possibly taking; you must be on drugs to find a resemblance between those two things/a symptom of insomnia, get some sleep dammit!" In fact, you can copy and paste the above statement and send it to me. -jimmybob P.S. If you're curious about the Sigur Ros video, it's available to view at sigur-ros.co.uk just click on "media", and then on "download video". It's available for viewing in Windows Media and Real Video format. SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:44:48 +0400 From: "Anton Mochalin" Subject: Re: set list for Moscow concert "Andrei Turusinov" wrote in ET on Sun, 15 Jun 2003 at 13:16:19 +0400: >hello, ETers! >below is the set-list for Moscow concert on June 12 > >sounscapes starts at 18-45 and Fripp continue it for 40 minutes with a short >break between >wheh the looped sound still sounscapes with Fripp himself and the stage. It was the most beatiful soundscape I ever heard. I heard some from "1999", "That Which Passes" and "The Blessing of Tears" and I think that Fripp's art of soundscapes developed very much since that. I liked the atmosphere the soundscapes were played in - people coming into the hall, talking, finding their seats and so on, Fripp leaving the sounds reverberating and going offstage to return later and add some sounds and so on... The first of several magical experiences during that show. I would like to buy a CD with soundscapes played by Fripp during this tour if it would be released. >the performance itself starts at 19-30 > >1. TPTB a capella >2. Level Five >3. Prozack Blues That was good but it seemed that the band hadn't found the appropriate contact with the audience and the music yet. TPTB I was mysterious, L5 and Prozack were strong but we had to wait for... >4. ConstruKction of Light ... to understand why we had to come there. Well I don't know why but it seemed much more magical than on TCOL album though on the album it seemed magical enough. It was something in timing or timbre of instruments or in something else - I don't know though I listened to the album version so many times. >5. Facts of Life I like this song in its TPTB version but it seemed that the band somehow lost their way with this song in that show - the transition from intro to the song seemed somehow unnatural but challenging to ear and then the song were played too flat to my opinion, maybe Adrian's voice should be made louder on the mixing desk or something like that... >6. EleKctrik EleKctrik was strong enough but sounded too similar to its album version though maybe with more drive. >7. TPTB part 2 Well it was the next magical moment. I don't have words to express that. I love this song and it became much better live. >8. Dinosaur Very strong and mild at the same time. A very cool version and it moved the audience so the contact at that moment became strong enough to transform the rest of the show to some mystical collective experience (this process began on TPTB II). >9. One Time The best version of this song I ever heard. Yet another magical moment. Extremely magical, I would say. >10. Happy with what you have to be happy with The same as with TCOL. The band transformed this cool song to something even more valuable. Very strong and joyful version, I found myself laughfing with joy in the middle of it. >11. Dangerous Curves The mystical experience went on. The audience seemed to not know what to think about that but it liked it! >12. Larks` Tongues In Aspic Part IV / Coda I had a problem with this song before when I listened to all its CD versions (on TCOL, Heavy Construction and HWWYHTBHW). It seemed too heavy. Now I understand that it's a cool song, I listen to the same CD versions and ... I like it! Something clicked in my mind when I was listening to it on this show and now I have another KC song to enjoy. Again, it seemed somehow transformed by some changes in timing or dynamics or arrangement or something else... >time 20-50 - first encore: I was surprised when I saw all the hall standing in ovation and waiting for the band to return - I wouldn't even suspect that such a reaction coulb be possible taking in account that some part of the audience were people who I wouldn't ever think of to like KC music. >13. Deception of the Thrush It was mind-blowing. Trey's solo grew to a very profound masterpiece accompanied with Fripp's beautiful soundscapes. It changed very much since Heavy Construction or ProjeKcts times and became almost unbelievably beautiful. >14. Three of the Perfect Pair (Belew acoustic) A lovely moment letting the audience to relax a bit before going on and forth... >15. Frame by Frame A very strong and coherent version, again the best I ever heard. Taking in account that it is one of my favourites it was another magical moment. >time 21-10 - scond encore: See what I wrote about the moment before the first encore. The same reaction of audience but stronger. >16. Elephant Talk >17. Red Very cool versions but for me the most magical moments were already in the past. I knew that KC is better live than in studio and I was waiting for something great but I didn't expect such a great experience which became one of the happiest moments in my life. I had some sort of vision during the last half of the concert - that all the hall including the band and the audience became a big flower which received some very gentle and light energy from above. The band seemed happy when they stood on the stage after the second encore was over. Thank you Robert and Adrian and Trey and Pat for coming to Moscow, thank you Moscovites for being so appreciative, it was such a joy. Adrian said that KC is going to return to Russia soon - I hope it will be so and I'll have a chance to take all my friends to the next KC show in Moscow. Anton. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:39:54 -0400 From: Dave Subject: ok, one more @ lyrics...... And when I have some words This is the way I'll sing Through a distortion box To make them menacing And for a second verse Of terse economy I'll brew another pot Of ambiguity I found this on ET @ http://www.elephant-talk.com/releases/power.htm#lyrics5 Is this official? Was this sent in by a fan, or is this somehow sanctioned by Ade? (And listening to the interviews on the TPTB Tour Box, I doubt I'd take anyone's word but his. :) Maybe he'd chime in? Anyway, the more I think about it, my logic carries me elsewhere on one part. If I may... And when I have some words This is the way I'll sing Through a distortion box To make them mena-"sing" He's talking about the way he sings his words...about the song itself, just as the chorus clearly indicates. And because I think the first verse ends on a word play (Ade Belew playing with words?....noooooooo ;), I see the 2d one as: And for a second verse I'll turn (sconda?) wide (wide wide wide wide) I'll brew another pot Of ambigui-"tea" In this, he's still describing the song, perhaps "turning [something] wide"(?), which I'm assuming is the effect that gives him the "...wide...wide...wide...wide..." And what does that effect and the aural word twisting do? They brew a pot of ambigui-"tea"...ala mena-"sing". I don't know what Ade uses on his voice there...what the effect is called. I searched for the combined term "terse economy" in the ET Archives and didn't find any reasoning for that line. Perhaps I missed something. I never did think it fit in with the rest of the song, though. Please feel free to drop me a line off-list @ this, even just to poke at my reasoning. Try to be constructive, though, huh? Dave Steimling DC-ET #9 http://dc-et.freeservers.com/ http://www.midnightmecca.com/ "Is there a Groucho Marxist doctrine in the house?" - AB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:20:15 +0200 From: "Julien Laurencelle" Subject: Requiem ? In ET #1130, Jari Schroderus wrote : " One of the most stunning guitar solos Mr Fripp has played on a Crimson album must be on "Requiem". Anyone who knows anything about music has to admit that this Fripp knows his chops, whether they like the music or not. " Now I want to know. This piece has a strange atmosphere, like if it was a real requiem for somebody. I heard about a story (back to ET #1025)... " The song was recorded just after Adrian Belew heard his father died, so it is Belew we hear freaking out on his guitar while Fripp is playing chords. " Or maybe it is Fripp overdubbing himself ...? Or Belew doing all the stuff ...? So I am wondering who plays what ? Somebody please ! Julien Laurencelle Envie de discuter en "live" avec vos amis ? Telecharger MSN Messenger http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/m la 1ere messagerie instantanee de France ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:46:56 -0500 From: "Marc Gonzalez" Subject: Uncle Bobby's Back Dear Ole Uncle Bobby, I stumbled across a yoga website the other day and noticied that there is a specific yoga excercise/pose that targets the sciatic nerve. I forgot the name of it but maybe this can help relieve the pain. Get better soon! Marc Gonzalez IS Customer Service Ochsner Foundation Clinic 504.736.4971 X34971 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:20:17 -0400 From: "Michael S. O'Connor" Subject: 21Century Schizoid Band I don't read all the postings so this may be a repeat set of questions. 1. There was once talk of releasing a live DVD of 21st Century Schizoid Band's Japanese tour. Did/will this happen anytime soon??? 2. Do they ever plan to tour America? I see all these live shots of them on their website and it makes me want to at least watch them on dvd if not in person..... mike o. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 02:42:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Rikard Grankvist Subject: "Level Five" tab Hi. Does anyone know where to get/have a tab or score for "Level Five" from The Power To Believe? Or would anyone consider making one? I need it badly. Get your own *FREE* family web site ParentShack - the easiest way to build a web site for your child http://www.parentshack.com/go?2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:01:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Aaron G. Moulin" Subject: Check this out. I don't know if this has already been posted here, but I figured I'd send it again in case it hasn't. http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/DOKAKA/index-0.html I wonder if Fripp has seen this. -- Aaron Moulin Biochemistry Dept. MS 009 Brandeis Univ. P.O. Box 9110 Waltham MA 02454 "But what do the heads do?" --Chris Miller Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:48:37 -0400 From: Mikewyz at aol dot com Subject: Weird Al does Zappa I heard the latest "Weird Al" Yankovic album ("Poodle Hat") and it includes a Zappa-ish song called "Genius in France." About it, Al had this to say: "A number of times I will do what I call style parodies, not a direct parody of an artists song but an approximation of their musical style. With Zappa, its hard to nail down his style. He did so many albums and they vary so much. So I tried to throw as many musical quirks as I could into one song. It was a real challenge and a labor of love." Dweezil even appears on the track. Could a KCish song be in the future? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:58:46 -0500 From: "Chris Gehring" Subject: LISTEN NOW! If you go to Crim's website and click to hear samples of "the power to believe" you will hear something else. Why? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:47:11 EDT From: Jacbeerbs at aol dot com Subject: Clams of the Crimson Kings! Thank heavens Our Hero did the ol' posty-post on DGM!! Deny it all you want but RF is one of the funniest writers anyone can find in this World of Intense Bearded Young Men. I was bummed out that a fan(atic) would pull a moody about not getting their book signed considering that the book they wanted signed makes it pretty clear, to me anyway, that the last thing RF wants in his work environment is to be asked to scribble on a book owned by an apparent yay-hoo. By now all CrimFans should know the rules, No Photos No Recording No After Show Fanaticism. Let the man get dribbly in peace. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:11:46 +0200 From: "Papetti" Subject: GIG REVIEW: Rome, Italy June 24th 2003 King Crimson Tuesday June 24th 2003 - Rome, Italy Centrale del Tennis (Main Tennis Court of the "Italic Forum") set list: Tuning the air The Power To Believe I Level Five ProzaKc Blues The ConstruKction Of Light Facts Of Life ElektriK The Power To Believe II Dinosaur One Time Happy With What You Have To Be Happy With Dangerous Curves Larks' Tongues In Aspic Part IV - instrumental encores: Deception Of The Thrush - ProjeKct Three Three Of A Perfect Pair - Ade solo Elephant Talk Red I will not bother you with unuseful comments on each single piece, rather address the gig as a whole. As clearly printed on all show tickets, the Rome gig was scheduled for 09:00 PM. Later I learned some people arrived at 09:30 and claimed the show had been anticipated, and complained to have missed a part of it. Probably these audients didn't look at their tickets at all, and relied to local concert attendance habits. There's a possibility they have missed the rest of the gig as well. The venue yearly hosts the Rome International Tennis Championships: not quite a Big-Slam event, but very close. At least for tennis enthusiasts. Signs all around read it is not allowed to smoke during the performance, although we're in an open-air place. Most smokers take their chance to discharge their favourite activity before the concert actually begins. I'm a member of those addicts' club. I also recognise the smell of different smoking items. Looking around I don't see cameras or recorders. Perhaps most people recalls what happened on this date three years ago in Rome. Perhaps they just got better at hiding that stuff. At 08:50, daylight enduring, Robert Fripp hits the stage alone and takes his guitar. The rows closest to the stage stand up and leap forward, switching to supporting mode. There are no chairs in the court/stalls. Behind the approx. middle-line of the court, close to where I stand, no-one seems to notice somebody's on stage. Loud chatting persists as soundscapes fill the air in the same key as `The Power To Believe I'. My mind moves sideways and associatively to R. Waters... There's a wall of invisible bricks preventing the sound from reaching the people behind me. Soundscapes keep tuning the air for about 10 minutes, everybody's talking, then the layer of notes is reduced by the guitarist to a simple 1-7-5 sequence still hinting at TPTB, and RF exits. A man from the staff steps to the microphone and reminds the audience - in Italian - not to take photographs of any kind. His tone is kind of imploring. The 1-7-5 loop lingers behind him. Other members of the staff walk through the stalls and invite people not to smoke. This implies the performance has begun. A woman puts out the coffin-nail and hisses `It's the last time I come to a King Crimson concert' My thought, unspoken, is thank God. 09:10 King Crimson hits the stage. Too earlier for some of the about-to-come audients, apparently. `The Power To Believe I' enters over the 1-7-5 loop RF "prepared" 10 minutes before. Then it's `Level Five': a thunder. Compared with the KC gig of June 24th 2000, the PA volume here seems to be twice as high. This allows the band to "reach" the audience better, at least from a merely acoustic point of view... Halfway through the performance I can see a digital camera popping out right in front of me. The owner is promptly intercepted by a man from the security before the irrepairable happens. Some other are still smoking, but I don't see flashes. In Rome, that's something. The whole performance runs kind of smoothly, a very professional one. Not exceptional, but extremely professional, well played and highly enjoyable. This until the first encore: when ProjeKct Three steps in. (would Belew please forgive me: no judgement on his role in KC!) The Deception Of The Thrush makes its way through the noise which had accompanied the gig up to that point; the whole audience REALLY shut up, even seem to listen to themselves shutting up, until the piece fades out. A moment of resonance which, for me, is worth the whole concert. Silence lasts for some 5 seconds (more? less?) until a voice from above yells "Schizoid Man!!!!" Even this desperate attempt to resist music doesn't seem to spoil much of the energy which has been risen. But all of this may be purely subjective and emotionally-driven comment rather than an objective observation. What I can say is at that particular point a shift has taken place: not in the quality of music, rather in its range. It just reached further, maybe just because allowed to do so by (almost) all the audients. Tear down the wall. How could I observe this from a place where music did reach me from the beginning? Shut up, dude, you're reviewing on your undies. Anyway, the fact the show reached its planned conclusion (i.e. the "Red" encore) is itself a miracle, and a positive counterpart to the June 2000 sour failure. Thank you, guys. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 12:25:29 +0200 From: "Miroslav Langer" Subject: GIG REVIEW: KC Prague concert review (17. June 03) Finally got to send this... I'm NOT subscribed and I don't plan to subscribe (I have almost no time to read it). But I think this might interest somebody - someday :-) See my previous review of concert in 96: http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/euro96a.htm ==================================== Prague 18. 6. 2003 Well, seven years passed since last (big) concert of KC here in Prague... and yesterday was again dedicated to an excellent performance! Almost nothing has changed since that time - only Bill Bruford and Trey Gunn were missing. Other than that, sound remained the same. In only four musicians KC created what I would describe THE POWER of excellent sound, overwhelming the audience (just imagine "Elephant Talk" in 130DB). Concert was as best as possible and I'm pretty sure even those with no knowledge of KC at all were shocked and retain in memory that evening as exceptional. Quartet belongs clearly to A+++ class in music - no playback, no cheapy funnies, no idle seconds, just sound tsunami. Adrian Belew might have more gray hairs (actually, seems all :-) but he still posess a lot of energy - during second encore he played classical spanish guitar alone while singing "Three of a perfect pair"... that was really something. Robert Fripp, as always (as far as I know) was sitting hidden next to illuminated synthesizers in a poorly lit quiet place, Tony Levin was playing [bass]guitar and Pat Mastelloto enjoying everything. Only for a few seconds they all appeared at the end of a show on a stage. First part was, like you might expect, dedicated to a new album. While music was very good, I could find many familiar sound schemes in it. However, the last album I was listening to was Thrak, since than only to elderly records and only during a very few occasions... this music is like a good wine, and there is only a few exceptional moments throughout the year to enjoy it. Certainly not in work, where I spend most of the time ;-) So back to the first part... intriguing sounds, unusual rhythms, a little bit more on "open to the public" side, if you know what I mean (just compare "Three of a perfect pair" and "Cat food", for instance). Of course I was waiting for some older "crimson food". Finally there it came in the second part of the concert - pieces from Thrak, Discipline, Red... mostly from newer records, where already Adrian Belew participated and which are (mostly) more suitable for an audience. There were three encores, people applauding, standing, screaming, whistling, demanding more and more... after two hours full of Crimson show there was a final song. It was the last song from "Red" album which I still regard as the best - so a perfect finish for such event. Looking back for my seven years old review, I can say almost nothing has changed except I'm even more busy now and my English is somewhat better. Myrra ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 03:46:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Marcello Subject: GIG REVIEW: The power to be live Last night Re Cremisi was in Rome. Pure nu-metal, simply was that. They don't play the s*** that you like, they play the s*** that they like. Three encores (can you believe that????). The last one was totally RED. XXI century metaloid band. marcello ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1133 *********************************