Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1127 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1127 Monday, 26 May 2003 Today's Topics: NEWS: Looking for a new Webmaster for ET Web The drummer thread Schizoid Band tour dates happy with what you have to be hapy with... sylvian and fripp Dictionaraoke RF Retiring? The Bruford of jazz and empty seats in Lost Angeles KING CRIMSON IN BELGIUM/DOUR 11TH JULY Re: Dangerous Curves and Solos Re: PC Re: Posthumous collections Re: Particularly good Fripp solos/performances electronic music Robert's Best Solo's Instant cd collection To all Euro Crim Fans...Please read Montreux Jazz is different need NTSC to PAL VCR for the Zappa fan to be ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:54:20 EDT From: DanKirkd at aol dot com Subject: NEWS: Looking for a new Webmaster for ET Web To All ETers, 8 years ago I asked Toby if I could help him with his nascent Web site supporting the ET newsletter that was already close to 4 years old by then. I had only recently discovered the newsletter and had gotten it in my mind that I would try to index every topic of discussion up until that point. At that time there were fewer than 200 issues to go through. It wasn't long before I realized just what I was getting myself into! Although the topic index died a quiet death, the Web site grew, and grew, and grew, in no small part due to the constant influx of ETer reviews, interviews, and other content submissions, some of which I still have to get to! Other sites came and went, some became close partner sites, and a community of King Crimson and Robert Fripp enthusiasts built a home they could come back to again and again. I'm glad I was able to be a part of that. However, today, over 2 million hit counts later, I have decided it is time for me to hang up my hat, to move on and let go, and to find other ways to spend my "free" time. It has been a fun 8 years, but the site needs new blood and fresh enthusiasm, and I'm sure someone out there can rise to the challenge and work with Toby and Mike to move it forward. In an effort to make this a clean break all around, I will also be stepping down as Webmaster of DGM Web and the Official King Crimson site - sites I have greatly enjoyed working on over the past 4+ years, but that have taken a considerable amount of my time to develop and support. So this is a call to ETers asking for a volunteer to be the new ET Webmaster. ET Web opened up doors for me and gave me the chance to gain experiences I may never otherwise have had. I suspect that the open future will hold similar new opportunities for me. I also believe that the new ET Webmaster will find that the role will provide him or her with the unique opportunity of running one of the premier and best regarded fans sites on the Web. This isn't a small endeavor, but it can be a rewarding one, and Mike and Toby are great company to partner with. I'll stick around and help as long as I am needed, to show my successor the nooks and crannies, and to ensure the transition is smooth. So give it some thought, and if you think you have the time, the skills and enthusiasm for the role, send me an email and we'll discuss things further. Meanwhile, I just want to thank Everyone who I have worked with on the site, engaged with regarding ET Web and matters Crim, and who have helped me along the way. But most of all I want to thank Mike and Toby who keep this thing going. It has been a lot of fun and I wish you both all the best. Call on me if you ever need anything. Cheers to all! Dan ET Webmaster ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:10:30 +0100 From: "Amos_Brailey" Subject: The drummer thread Been following this one, favourites, who's best, opinions blah blah blah blah. Here's a few names I think about .... Billy Cobham Jon Hiseman Simon Phillips Louie Bellson Terry Bozzio Bill Bruford Mike Giles Tony Williams Carl Palmer Buddy Rich And a cast of thousands :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:59:52 +0100 From: "Amos_Brailey" Subject: Schizoid Band tour dates Does anyone have a list of tour dates for the band please? I know of 2 .... 29th Oct Robin 2, Bilston. 31st Oct Mean Fiddler, London. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:42:12 -0400 From: "David" Subject: happy with what you have to be hapy with... According to this article, Buddhists know well how to be happy with what they have to be happy with. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=857&ncid=757&e=10&u=/nm/2003 0521/od_uk_nm/oukoe_health_buddhists David Kirkdorffer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 12:31:22 EDT From: GORTAY at aol dot com Subject: sylvian and fripp There is an interview with David Sylvian in the 'Invisible Jukebox' feature of the new issue of the Wire Magazine. David has a new album out which I havent heard as yet but it is receiving great reviews. I'm not sure if it's on general release or only from the davidsylvian.com. Anyway, the interview touches briefly on Sylvian's work with that Fripp bloke. Apparantly Fripp asked Sylvian to be part of King Crimson. Now that would have been interesting. No clash of egos at all there! Sylvian also says something that Fripp has said and I have often thought; namely that Bob's best guitar work has been on other people's records. Gordy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 18:17:56 EDT From: Mikewyz at aol dot com Subject: Dictionaraoke I haven't been reading this tome religiously in the past year or so, so forgive me if this has been mentioned already. here's a different take on the song Elephant Talk. Perhaps those that don't care for Adrian's singing would prefer this? http://dictionaraoke.mirrors.gweep.net/music/King_Crimson-elephant_talk.mp3 the site's main page: http://www.dictionaraoke.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 01:04:42 +0000 From: "Danny Anderson" Subject: RF Retiring? It wouldn't surprise me if he did. He has said time after time that he doesn't like touring and especially trying to make music on the road. I am glad I saw him in Portland this last March as the band was magical. Yours, Dan Anderson The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 02:34:32 EDT From: Etude17 at aol dot com Subject: The Bruford of jazz and empty seats in Lost Angeles Leave it to the most confused and lost amongst itself city of the Angels. There were empty seats. I caught the Earthworks show at the Catalina Bar and Grill on Saturday, May 17th featuring Tim Garland on Sax and Clarinet. Bill's playing has never been better and effortless. Smooth and floating across the skins. As he stepped out of the club after the show, I could not resist approaching him and congratulating him for 70 minutes of awesome entertainment; well worth the $25 and $8 minimum liquid charge no matter if you drink or swim. What an education and revelation jazz can be. Oddly enough, in 2001 I spotted Carmine Appice at this very venue checking out Bill. Do yourself a favor, put down your TOOL discs and see this quartet if at all possible. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:54:38 +0200 From: SGIRARD at janbe dot jnj dot com Subject: KING CRIMSON IN BELGIUM/DOUR 11TH JULY Hello Hippies ! KC will be playing the Dour festival in Belgium on the 11th July: Dour heeft weer een pak nieuwe namen gelost: Stereo Mc's, Peshay,Vive La Fete, King Crimson, Rollins Band zijn de belangrijkste. Dour vindt plaats van 10 tot 13 juli. Info: www.dourfestival.be Greetings / Da Belgian Dude ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 07:53:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Haas Subject: Re: Dangerous Curves and Solos This is only marginally related, but I'll try to avoid straying too far. In reference to electronic music: it can be good, but often is not. Banco De Gaia is one artist I have recently latched onto in (something resembling) the genre. If asked to pin down a specific quality that drew me to this body of work, I'd be hard pressed. The idiot in me wants to be general and say, "It's innovative!" What utter trash! Granted, innovation is always fantastic, but that doesn't really cut it. But as this threatens to become a much larger discussion that we may never be able to put down like the mad dog it is - I'll leave it be. ^_- I suppose we'll chalk that up to name dropping. One thing that I have observed in listening to various types of music is that there are elements that some players nail dead-on, and others that are missed. Part of me would be intrigued to take the strong points from numerous musical stylings and staple them all together. Theoretically it would be good... perhaps too good. To add some substance to my post, take drums, for instance. On many recordings (some more recent than we would care to admit) the drums sound as if they are, in reality, cereal boxes with pillows inside of them. Now, pick up your average black metal or electronic artist's recording and you will hear drums so punchy you'll develop black and blue marks just listening to the album! However, in many instances, you'll also have the unfortunate experience of hearing drums overpower/overshadow all other musical elements in the equation. Black metal is notorious (in my experience) for blotting out an otherwise stirring arrangement with the double bass barrage. While King Crimson admirably manages to avoid the pitfalls of either (generally), there are almost points where added percussive ferocity would not kill them (quite the contrary in my view). This doesn't stand as a criticism of any band, more an observation. I'd be very interested to hear what other ETers have observed in the presence (or lack) of an instrument in various recordings, live shows, etc. As an aside, a solo I'd recommend for any retrospective on Fripp would have to be that from "Fallen Angel." Gut-wrenching would be an accurate description. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:38:59 -0700 From: Nancy Mack Subject: Re: PC from Dave: "You pompous pecker picking poseurs have to go ballistic on your manhood (I'm looking at YOU nancy). Please! I know what he meant, you know what he meant, and we know what he said. Can't you just kick him in the ass and laugh it off?" hmmm. well Dave, i've pretty much forgotten it. seems like you're the one not moving on. and by the way, last time i checked, i was not in possession of "manhood".... yes, i admit it was a knee-jerk reaction to a stupid post. laugh it off, Dave. nancy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:19:47 -0400 (EDT) From: david craig Subject: Re: Posthumous collections > Which begs the question... what are the essential Fripp solos? The Sheltering Sky, esp. live versions [Berkeley '82; Frejus '82; Berkeley 96(?)] Asbury Park Baby's On Fire [Here Come the Warm Jets] .. better stop now, or I'll never get any work done today ... David Craig ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:48:39 +0100 From: Craig Ward Subject: Re: Particularly good Fripp solos/performances Schizoid Man Prince Rupert's Lament The Power To Believe 3 Thela Hun Ginjeet Gone To Earth (David Sylvian) I Zimbra (Talking Heads) King's Lead Hat (Eno) St Elmo's Fire (Eno) Baby's On Fire (Eno) Heaven And Earth Something In 4/4 Time (Darryl Hall) LTIA 3 The Night Watch Sure I must have missed some. Craig ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:07:41 GMT From: vedan at juno dot com Subject: electronic music In ET 1126 Ryan asks if anyone listens to electronic music. I may be the only ETer that listens to techno. I have always loved artificial sounding music from the sci fi soundtracks from old 50's and 60's movies and my taste kept "evolving" to what it is now. I enjoy a good pulsating synth line and pounding percussion. Part of the appeal of electronic music is that it doesn't always sound like anything normal.Most electronic music doesn't keep me thinking or focused on it like KC does, it just sounds good and keeps a rhythm going. One the best electronic (not techno) music collaborations I've heard is the 2 albums by Carl Weingarten and Gale Ormiston, Submergings and Windfalls. Submergings is ambient music, slow to develop with only 4 tracks on the album, while Windfalls is more "musical" using guitars, synths, and treated acoustic instruments. Both albums use the tape loop style in their production and in a later album Carl Weingarten thanks RF for the lesson in looping. I u! sed to enjoy Tangerine Dream's music a lot and consider their 1988 concert in Atlanta to be the best musical experience of my life. Now that was a show! Their music has evolved to something that I don't listen to much anymore but their live shows still rock. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:37:50 -0500 From: wviland at thin-film dot com Subject: Robert's Best Solo's This is a good topic. However, It's much more difficult then the "who' the best guitar player" thread we had a few month's back. I have so many favorites either with KC or not. Robert doesn't need King Crimson to create extraordinarily beautiful music, as we all know. On the way to work this morning I was listening to and Eno collaboration NP. I think Schwastica Girls (spelling) should be added to the list. This is an amazing piece from the New Blues/Swing Fusion genre. If I where to list all my favorites, Toby would strip it for length. Although, I probably won't be able to resist adding to the list as time goes by. Adrian told me "we are coming out with a new video later this year." Did he mean KC or The Bears? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:27:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Samuelian Subject: Instant cd collection Doing some Spring cleaning on my cd's... Selling complete set (well, first 10) of 30th anniversary gatefold versions of CDs..... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2532333994&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:21:34 -0400 From: Paul Rich Subject: To all Euro Crim Fans...Please read Hi To All... Saw KC here in NY/USA...Had to leave the show early and was not able to stop on the way out to buy: "The Power To Believe Tour Box"... The Euro tour is June to July...Would some kind soul come forward and help out a real Crim fan and pick this up for me if you are attending one of the shows... I will send you all the money you would need to buy it and ship it overseas to me... I don't know the price (anyone care to answer this) but I will take care of it all... I ask please if someone who could help me out with this request please email me off list... Many thanks in advance... Peace and Cat Food to you all... Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 20:05:06 +0200 From: "Michael Goral" Subject: Montreux Jazz is different *** following recent comments on 'July 12, 2003, The Hague, Holland, North Sea Jazz Festival' some remarks on King Crimson at 'July 13, 2003, Montreux, Switzerland, Montreux Jazz Festival' Montreux is a very long standing festival with the occasional jazz playing the role of a fifth wheel at best: it's fun and entertainment and pretty much main-stream there are two threads of musical events always in the evening: there is the large-scale Auditorium Stravinski (Indoors. Entrance for ticket-holders only. Starting at 8.30pm.) and the more subterranean Miles Davis Hall (Indoors. Entrance for ticketholders only. Starting at 9pm.) so far I was never at the smaller Miles Davies Hall, but I'm pretty sure that it has a standing-only setup important news is that it will be a King-Crimson-only-concert *** looking at the programme for a couple of days around July 13 you can sense something about the feel of Montreux Jazz Auditorium Stravinski ... Friday 11th July Gala Night > Chico Cesar > Gilberto Gil & Maria Bethania Saturday 12th July Brazil Fiesta > Falamansa > Jair Rodrigues, Luciano Mello & Jair Oliveira > Cidade Negra Sunday 13th July Brazil > Joao Gilberto > M2S (Morelenbaum 2 & Sakamoto): Tribute to Antonio Carlos Jobim Monday 14th July Yes Tuesday 15th July Simply Red ... Miles Davies Hall ... Friday 11th July Post Rock & Trip Hop > Mogwai > Tricky > Yo La Tengo Saturday 12th July World > Susheela Raman > Mercan Dede > Orchestre National de Barbes Sunday 13th July King Crimson Monday 14th July Story Tellers > Laurie Anderson > Zorg Tuesday 15th July Joe Jackson Band ... *** the picture is not complete without some other details special to Montreux - it is situated at the large Lake Geneva in the french-speaking part of Switzerland, it's a most beautiful area (remember the cover of Queen's '95 album 'Made In Heaven') and it's an area kind of occupied by the elderly and very rich ... so it can happen to have a Coco-Chanell-costumed old lady complete with some of those golden heavy metals sitting next to you while watching David Byrne performing all in all I look forward positively to King Crimson's Montreux concert, my number 4 in a series (Milano, Genova and Paris) Ciao, Michael Goral. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 22:56:35 +0200 From: "christian skina" Subject: need NTSC to PAL VCR Hello, I have 2 excellent quality takes from the Japanese TV of Fripp & the StringQ and a Sylvian-Fripp concert. I have been waiting for them to show up in shops. I would like to now put them on dvd, in order to avoid any tape damage at viewing. Since they're NTSC I cant transfer to dvd directly. I am looking for someone (in Netherlands) who has a machine doing this. The rest of the tools (S-VHS and DVD recorder) are here, only need one VCR who records PAL signal from NTSC feed, preferably stereo. Thanks, Christian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 22:58:47 +0200 From: "christian skina" Subject: for the Zappa fan to be There is no such thing as The Young Person guide to Frank Zappa! Zappa is just for adults. And if you survived my superior snobbery, here's the rest of my opinion. Try to stay away from Zappa's music. It's like trying to approach a wild lion. If his music comes to you in some way, then it's a good sign you can play any of his records. I never understood why a band such as King Crimson would be musically motivated to release a "best of". I don't think Zappa ever did. a) In the 70 he started already with complex classical compositions. Maybe it's not such a good idea to listen first to large orchestra music. He was good at everything he did; the amount of music he wrote I suppose it makes it very difficult for anyone to really "get the Zappa". I prefer his guitar solos and symphonic pieces. But some dirty tracks are also a big delight. His humour is something that only Mr Belew tried to bring on stage (no wonder he was a Zappa player). Just like the Crimson recent years releases (loads of), Zappa transcends the casual listening session. One needs to prepare for the moment of diving in his sound world. b) Both KCrimson and Zappa composed some easy listening too, songs that can be hummed, etc. I think one should certainly not start with those either. So, what's left? Not much. Maybe reading first his book would be a better idea. Or eating a doughnut, as the master used to say. Greetings, Chris ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1127 *********************************