Reply-To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Discipline #112 D I S C I P L I N E The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 112, Tuesday, 26 October 1993 Today's Topics: Keep The Name Eulogy, What is Discipline, and Primus Perfect Christmas Gift from Fripp When in doubt... Discipline #111 death FFWD Crimson members on 2 new Canadian albums Chords in New Standard Tuning Adrian in Detroit Eulogy Bruford Drum Clinics Re: sf show 16th/Oct at Shibuya Kokaido, Tokyo sf show 16th/Oct at Shibuya Kokaido, Tokyo Re: Interesting new Crimson sampler, and Fripp going Rai discipline CDs by Trey Gunn and California Guitar Quartet Re: Sylvian/Fripp "The First Day" bootleg Anagrams Adrian Belew at The Vogue, Indianapolis, 10-19-93 Bentmen (Discipline Entry) The Concise King Crimson The Concise King Crimson [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Hi everyone. Sorry we're a few days late this week. But we have one _packed_ issue! Hope you like it. -- Toby [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 06:23:27 -0600 From: dalton at isidis dot colorado dot edu (lizard man) Subject: Keep The Name While Elephant Talk is so far my favorite of the name suggestions so far, i think that there is no real need to change the name. Discipline is an excellent name for the forum, and describes on overarching philosophy that ties many disparate elements of style and music, all of which are discussed in this forum, together. After one hundred and eleven highly successful issues, it is clear that this is a forum which continues to evolve and achieve new results...remember, DISCIPLINE is not an end in itself...... :-) --lizard man [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 11:51:10 -0600 From: mglee1 at students dot wisc dot edu (Michael G. P. Lee) Subject: Eulogy, What is Discipline, and Primus > > Basis of Eulogy for Edie Fripp delivered by her son Robert First of all, I'd like to extend my sympathies to Robert, and thank him for sending us the Eulogy. I assume that Toby had to retype it in, and so I thank him as well. ==== What is Discipline? It's all of the things that Toby mentioned, a fanzine, a discussion forum and an information forum. A grass-roots electronic publication dedicated to all things directly (and some cases indirectly) related to King Crimson. It's unique because it is electronic and therefore international in a way no print fanzine can truly be... ==== On the Primus/KC relationship. I've seen a number of print references to Primus owing a musical debt to KC, and of course, I've heard it as well. I wouldn't say Primus is a KC knock-off, but the influence is often clearly heard. Of course, Primus is more nonsensical then the Crimsons they are most influenced by, after all, Les did the wonderfully bizzare "Mr. Krinkle" video wearing a pig's mask. Of course, one of my "favorite" reviews was a negative review of the most recent Living Colour album, Stain, comparing it to Larks' Tongues in Aspic. Of course, the very reasons the reviewer hated it were some of the same reasons I liked it... :-) deeply upset that the Acoustic Belew isn't coming to Madison, Wi, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael G. P. Lee "I was feeling part of the scenery michaell at cs dot wisc dot edu I walked right out of the machinery" mglee1 at students dot wisc dot edu - Peter Gabriel, Solsbury Hill [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 12:59:51 -0400 From: javasque at entropy dot bph dot jhu dot edu (Jaime Vasquez) Subject: Perfect Christmas Gift from Fripp Just thinking that Fripp should release a studio quality version of Hope as a CD single, it would be just perfect. Included in it, a String Quintet version of Bartok's String Quartet #1. Am I asking for too much?? Jaime Vasquez javasque at eos dot ncsu dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 14:20:39 -0500 From: nash at chem dot wisc dot edu (John R. Nash) Subject: When in doubt... I would love to buy Bruford's book "When in Doubt, Roll!", and have been on the lookout for it for some time now. Does anyone know a mail-order source for this book? If the publishing info could be posted here, perhaps I could do som e searching on my own as well.... (I fear that it may be out of print..) It's only talk, john nash ----------------------------------- John R. Nash nash at chem dot wisc dot edu ----------------------------------- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: r dot derousse2 at genie dot geis dot com Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 06:50:00 BST Subject: Discipline #111 Note to Robert Fripp, should you be reading this: Thank you for sharing your eloquent eulogy for your Mother with us. As impossible as it surely is, I feel like I have a clear sense of the kind of people they were. I would offer my sympathies, but I do not perceive much sadness in your words. My parents are still alive, and I treasure the time that I have with them, as you did with yours, knowing that it will not last forever, at least on this plane. Toby, as a relatively new reader/participant, let me also add my praise for this Discipline "thing." You asked "Is it a fanzine? A discussion group? An information forum?" Yes. ...All of the above! Heck I don't feel a need to categorize it; just enjoy it for what it is! There have been many excellent suggestions for the new name, including the great proposal of "Broohaha." I'll have to go with Elephant Talk, even though it might be a little obvious. It is just TOO perfect! And while I'm rambling, I wanted to mention that I saw Fripp's String Quartet at The Strand (in Los Angeles) late last May. I had booked a flight from St. Louis to attend Progfest, and I was VERY pleasantly surprised to find that show booked at The Strand on the night of my arrival. What a bonus! Of course, I looked forward to the show - especially since I had never seen Fripp before - but I really had NO idea what to expect. I can appreciate all of the various projects that Fripp has done, but I certainly enjoy some more than others. But that's part of what makes his music interesting, isn't it? - The unpredictablity of what he will do next. Anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed the show - better than I could have ever expected! It was truly a band effort, NOT Fripp with some backing musicians, and it was very refreshing to see that. The music varied widely from style to style, going from jazz to rock and even some country, but all twisted by Fripp and the band to make the music their own. I am probably imagining this, but I could swear that Fripp was watching me while I was thoroughly enjoying a jazzy encore by his bandmates. I love jazz, and what they were doing with the music brought a huge grin to my face. Imagine my surprise and delight when the band returned "unplugged" for their final encore directly in front of my table! A truly memorable ending to an unforgetable concert. I like to think that Robert chose my table to show HIS appreciation for MY appreciation, but that is most likely a dillusion on my part. By the way, the bands at Progfest the following evening (Citadel, Anglagard, Quill, and IQ) had a very tough act to follow! I enjoyed them all, but only Anglagard matched the intensity of the concert at The Strand. --Roy DeRousse [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 06:42:54 EDT From: ad520 at freenet dot buffalo dot edu (Daniel M. Dumych) Subject: death In a recent Eno-L newsletter, Alex Rubli quoted Brian Eno giving this comment about an afterlife: "I think that if somebody believes in life after life, he must be a little crazy in this life." Robert Fripp, in a moving eulogy to his mother, wrote in Discipline 111: "...Our contemporary culture seems to be the only culture in history which doubts that an individual consciousness, concentrated within one particular life, is an ongoing and continuous action contained within the growing overall human consciousness. For my part, I have no fear that my Mother's death has ended very much at all, but perhaps provided her the opportunity to trade in an old vehicle for a speedier model..." Flip the coin. Heads or tails? Fripp or Eno? The Lady or the Tiger? P.S.: Robert, if you're reading this, a heartfelt thanks for sharing the eulogy with us! -- --- Daniel M. Dumych --- -: ad520 at freenet dot buffalo dot edu :- ------------------------------:--------------------------------- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Malcolm Humes Subject: FFWD Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 10:19:33 -0700 (PDT) I think this has been mentioned already but I don't recall seeing a name of the project mentioned. Taken from an article/interview with Alex patterson of the ORB (who played here last night but I missed it), from The San Francisco Chronicle, 10/15/93: "An upcoming project will unite Patterson, Weston (ORB), Swiss electronics musician Thomas Fehlman and former King Crimson guitarist Robert Fripp as the recording group FFWD." I liked seeing the use of "former" there a few hours after reading Mark's comments on having to update his sig... Does anyone know who Fehlman is and what else he's done? email response would be fine if it's too off-topic. Also, regarding the Primus/KC thang, and the repost of my blurb on Load - Load was pretty good live but the studio stuff is even better. Primus' drummer definitely is a huge Bruford/Crimson fanatic, and this project group of his supposedly will be released soon. The Crimson textural references are very strong but the compositional structures on the demo I heard were a lot less complex than I'd expect from Fripp. Anyway, this group is one to look out for. But with Primus commitments it seems like it's not likely they'll tour much. And they probably will have to change their name before the release comes out because of another US band named Load with a cd already out. BTW, I cast my vote for new digest name as "In The Wake of King Crimson", which sort of plays off the first lp and a Heldon track tiitled "In The Wake of King Fripp (from Heldon II). I think this sums up what the list is about as we swim around in the waves of the ever widening wake from King Crimson, Fripp and associates. Elephant Talk sounds too pompous and Republican to me, and naming it after one song seems as limiting to me as naming it after an lp. Wake has many meanings, and the ones that seem to apply well are "To cease to sleep. To be brought into a state of awareness or alertness. To keep watch or guard. To make aware of. A parish festival held annually often in honor of a patron saint. The visible track of turbulence left by something moving through the water. The track or course behind anything that has passed. In the aftermath of; as a consequence of." That to me is what this electronic newletter is all about! . - malcolm [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: wcsanil at ccs dot carleton dot ca (Anil Prasad) Subject: Crimson members on 2 new Canadian albums Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 18:15:05 EDT Some very interesting guest appearances by King Crimson members grace two new albums released by Canadian artists: Lawrence Gowan - But You Can Call Me Larry (Anthem/Sony) Produced by Jerry Marotta who also plays drums, features appearances by Robert Fripp! Gowan is a progressive-pop artist that's released some VERY STRONG albums in the past featuring the likes of Jon Anderson, Marotta, Tony Levin and Alex Lifeson. Crash Test Dummies - God Shuffled His Feet (Warner) Produced by Talking Heads' Jerry Harrison, recorded at MUSIC HEAD studios in Wisconsin, which will lead some of you to undoubtedly conclude that Adrian Belew lends a guitar or two to this album, which he does. Both albums are only available in Canada at the moment. -- Anil Prasad/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\wcsanil at ccs dot carleton dot ca "I know that a lot of you have faced disappointment and loss in your lives. I have too. I wanted more than anything to be a concert cellist." - Canadian Prime Minister Kim Campbell addressing a group of homeless people - [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 10:28:07 +1000 From: Dudson Hoek Subject: Chords in New Standard Tuning Having tuned one of my guitars to the New Standard Tuning and finding that I quite like it for "lead" work, I was sort of wondering how rhythm guitarists handle it. After spending a full 23 seconds trying to figure out how to produce chords, I gave up (short attention span...). So, I thought to myself, "Why reinvent the wheel? Surely someone else has the answers by now." Does anyone have any tips on producing new standard chords? Dudley Arthur Horque [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: malzahn at umcc dot umich dot edu (Eric Malzahn) Subject: Adrian in Detroit Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 23:24:12 -0400 (EDT) I saw Adrian's acoustic tour in Detroit last Saturday. He's an excellent player and, as others have stated, the songs are surprisingly well suited for the acoustic setting. He played basically the same set as the other shows, including the new King Crimson song. I liked it. It'll be one hell of a song when they get done with it. Here are some of the more interesting things that came out of the open discussion: Adrian found out that Bill Bruford was not going to be in the new King Crimson when Robert Fripp told him 2 years ago. He said he didn't think it was anything personal. He never did any work on the soundtrack to Neuromancer and hasn't even heard of the movie. This was a strange question, and I almost think that I was the only person in the place that new what the guy was talking about. Fripp mentioned something in the "Great Deceiver" liner notes about having King Crimson do work on this film that never materialized. Some think the film is still a possibility. He has no ill feelings about being left off of the Musician Magazine "Top 100 Guitarists." He says he doesn't read that magazine, and then told us that he was named best experimental guitarist by Guitar Player for the 5th straight year. He can't play "Sleepless" on an acoustic guitar off the top of his head. I have a feeling he could have if the guy asking wasn't so incredibly rude about it. This guy started out the question by saying, "Adrian, are you ready to answer a REAL question?" Then this fool went on and on about how Rod Stewart played cool versions of his songs unplugged. Adrian, thinking the guy was accusing him of copying Rod Stewart replied, "I assure you, my coming out to play for you has nothing to do with Rod Stewart!" "War In the Gulf Between Us" is about his recent divorce. His only vice is Haagen Das ice cream. Oddly, he doesn't listen to much music recreationally, and he had to struggle to name an up and coming band that he likes. He finally mentioned XTC, and said that he likes all the music of the people he plays with. He doesn't have any current plans for using CD-I technology, but said that he's always interested in using new technologies. He had a lot of fun playing with the Bears last week in Cincinnati. He left open the possibility of playing with them again. Actually, when asked about playing with anyone again he always left the possibilities open. He lives on Lake Geneva in Wisconsin. The craziest part of the evening was when some woman gave Adrian a pair of mismatched shoes in exchange for his socks, and after some coaxing, his shoes. Overall, it was an excellent performance and a rather interesting idea. When Adrian was signing my copy of the "Acoustic Adrian Belew," I asked him if he thought the crowd was more unruly than in the other cities (besides that one rude guy, people were shouting out things randomly throughout the show). He hesitated and then said yes, but put the blame for this on it being Saturday night. I would have just blamed it on being Detroit! He seems to be a truly nice, down-to-earth guy that really cares for his fans. He was very approachable, and I wasn't nearly as nervous talking to him as I would be if he were, say, Robert Fripp. -- Eric [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 14:17:55 +1000 From: keens at pitvax dot xx dot rmit dot edu dot au (Jeremy Keens) Subject: RF:eulogy With the thought that Robert Fripp may be reading this, I want to say how moving the eulogy he gave for his mother is. I have just read through it again, and feel very mixed emotion - sadness for the loss of a woman i never met, the depth of roberts feelings, the joy of her life, and a new insight into the humanity and humour of a man who is a 'rockidol' up there and away from us all. vale edith fripp As to what discipline is - for me its a discussion forum. I am less interested in knowing the dates of tours through the US and europe, prices etc (though am happy to see discipline as a forum for this information). I hope too that it is a critical forum - no pandering to every drop of music that has fallen, but informed and personal. We all like KC/RF and associated enterprises, but prefer some parts to others. I for one have less delight in the discipline era KC, but still enjoy it, and will complain about any or all of the incarnations at any time. Most of all, its enjoyable - from the minutiae of song tiles and track times to the 'big' discussions of the music. I'm not too interested in discussion of individual bootlegs as they are not available here, and I have mixed feelings about the whole bootleg thang - I'm neither a completeist, nor a mad fine of live recordings. But again - it dont take up much space. I must say, though, that I'm glad song transcriptions have not appeared recently!!!!! And for all those people who ask basic/silly questions a) we all thought them at one stage and b) theres people out there too proud to ask who are thanking you now!! jeremy [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: r dot derousse2 at genie dot geis dot com Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 02:52:00 BST Subject: Bruford Drum Clinics >From SUZANNE CERQUONE, an editor for the Yes fanzine, Wonderous Stories: OK, here's Bruford's Drum Clinic Itinerary, in support of Tama Drums: Nov. 8th--Brian's Guitars, New Haven, CT 9th--Dale's Music, Harrisburg, PA (Yea, Les!) 10th--Linteen's Music, Akron, OH 13th--PAIS Drummer's Convention, Columbus, OH 15th--Gordon Miller Music, Towson, MD That's it! I'm not sure of some of the music stores' spellings because I was on the phone to England during a really busy workday, so I'm not sure if I got everything right. Regardless, I hope many of you can make it to his clinics....and have fun! SUZANNE --Roy [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 14:52:41 PDT From: "John M. Relph" Subject: Re: sf show 16th/Oct at Shibuya Kokaido, Tokyo Takashi Aramaki writes: >Set List >* Whole trucks from "The First Day", except Frippertronics truck. I think you mean to say "tracks". A minor point, but G. >Members >* David Sylvian (Vocal, Steinbarger Guitar, Synth) >* Robert Fripp (Tokai Black Les Paul) >* Trey Gunn (The Grand Stick, Side Vocal) >* Pat Masterotta? (Drums) >* Michael Blook? (Guitar/Guitar Synth) That's Pat Mastelotto, from the band Mr. Mister. He does a fair amount of studio work, including drumming on XTC's 1989 album _Oranges and Lemons_. And Michael Brook, guitar player from M+M, previously known as Martha And The Muffins. Mr Brook has done quite a bit of production, as well as guesting on other people's albums. He also developed the "Infinite Guitar", an effect used to death on U2's _Joshua Tree_ and _The Unforgettable Fire_ albums. Brook and Eno produced bits and pieces of the latest (and most excellent) Jane Siberry album, _When I Was A Boy_. >* 2 trucks from SF's bootleg CD "The First Day", which are 'The First > Day' and 'Blindind Light of Heaven'. What is the sound quality of this OREO? -- John [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 12:40:20 +0800 From: aramaki at telecom dot mci dot mei dot co dot jp (Takashi Aramaki) Subject: sf show 16th/Oct at Shibuya Kokaido, Tokyo Hello. This is my first contribution to this list. Here we go... Last saturday, I went to Sylvian/Fripp show at Shibuya Kokaido, Tokyo. Below are set list and my opinion about the show. Set List * Whole trucks from "The First Day", except Frippertronics truck. * Three trucks from Sylvian's "Gone to Earth", which are 'Wave' and 'Gone to Earth' and 'River Man'. * From "Rain Tree Crow", 'Every colour you are'(? Sorry, title forgotten). * 1 peace from Fripp's "Exposure".(? Sorry, I don't know the title, but it begins with trills of the guitar) * 2 trucks from SF's bootleg CD "The First Day", which are 'The First Day' and 'Blindind Light of Heaven'. * Unknown song, maybe it's new. * They didn't play any Frippertronics tunes, either 'Soundscape' nor 'Urban Landscape'. Members * David Sylvian (Vocal, Steinbarger Guitar, Synth) * Robert Fripp (Tokai Black Les Paul) * Trey Gunn (The Grand Stick, Side Vocal) * Pat Masterotta? (Drums) * Michael Blook? (Guitar/Guitar Synth) My Opinion * The show was great. Not _Art_, but it's a _Rock_. * The drummer put energy into every tune. Very powerful drumming. Hard rock version of 'Gone to Earth' was surprising !! but I liked it very much. Bye. -- aramaki at telecom dot mci dot mei dot co dot jp [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "Michael Murphy" Subject: Re: Interesting Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 16:48:33 EDT In Discipline #111 you wrote: > Well, if you find any of this information interesting and would like me to > expand on it, send me a message. If you have any questions to ask Adrian > Belew, I am attending a concert here in Indianapolis on Tuesday, October > 19. I look forward to getting in contact with you soon. Thanks for a > great digest. Yes, it was interesting info, thanks a lot. I DO have one question -- not necessarily for Adrian, if you can find the info out from a poster or anywhere else -- is he coming anywhere near here (Gainesville, Florida) on this tour? If there's a poster of the rest of the tour dates hanging around or something, i'd REALLY appreciate it if you could find out if he has any Florida dates, or how close to Florida he plans to get (like maybe Atlanta, GA dates). If you don't see it posted anywhere, then maybe you could ask HIM... :-) Thanks a lot; after what i've read from you guys who've already seen it, i'm DYING to see this show. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Subject: new Crimson sampler, and Fripp going Rai Organisation: IRISA / INRIA Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 10:54:14 +0100 From: Eric Rutten Hi all, First, Thanks for the very informative contents of this list overall ... I saw a new King Crimson sampler recently, titled "The Concise King Crimson": its cover is a close-up photo of a horse's eye, in blue/white. Does anybody know what this is? Yet another sampler with nothing new on it? Or is it a re-issuer of that sampler which came out in the mid-80s? Also, I heard that Fripp was playing on an album of the Rai group Cheikina Rimitti (from Algeria): anyone knows more about that? Eric ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eric Rutten | room: 221 (Green 338) IRISA / INRIA | phone: +33 99 84 72 33 Campus de Beaulieu | fax: +33 99 38 38 32 F-35042 RENNES CEDEX - FRANCE | e-mail: rutten at irisa dot fr ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 16:39:52 PDT From: Richard dot Schiavi at Eng dot Sun dot COM (Richie Schiavi) Subject: discipline Hey Toby, Just thought I drop a line to say what discipline (newsgroup) is to me and a little about the person behind the email address. More or less, it is an outlet and connection with others who share the same basic interest in the music of Fripp/Crimson, and a way to find out other opinions and reflections on the music and life of the performers behind the music, which is just a interesting to mea. I'd have to say, on a day to day basis, I don't run across many who I can say have the same deep down love for this *brand* of music, so it is great to be able to connect with others and find out information on things I would most likely not hear otherwise: day after concert reviews (with feedback ability), info from guitar craft attendees, etc. If not for the alias, I would probably not even of heard of the Sylvian/Fripp album, for one. . . On a personal note, I do play guitar, and have for about 10 years. And, my style is definately influenced by the Belew/Fripp realm . . . Recently I played the Stick for about 2 years and via lessons by Bob Culberston in San Jose, and even jammed once with Emmitt Chapman, which was fantastic. Unfortunately, I moved from San Jose, the lessons became too expensive and far away, and I eventually ended up having to sell my stick when I needed money. . .the starving muscician syndrone. . . I kind of like the name Discipline, since it seems to me to be such a core trait of King Crimson and Fripp music. I was going through my old albums and thought it was cool Fripp had an album called *Network* . . . we sure are . . . -Rich [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 12:18:10 EDT From: ad520 at freenet dot buffalo dot edu (Daniel M. Dumych) Subject: CDs by Trey Gunn and California Guitar Quartet Where can the new(ish) CDs by Trey Gunn and the California Guitar Quartet be bought? Are they available in stores, or only through the mail? -- --- Daniel M. Dumych --- -: ad520 at freenet dot buffalo dot edu :- ------------------------------:--------------------------------- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 11:30:52 +0800 From: aramaki at telecom dot mci dot mei dot co dot jp (Takashi Aramaki) Subject: Re: Sylvian/Fripp "The First Day" bootleg Hi. Here is the track listing and my views. >>From: "John M. Relph" >> Can you send me the track listing for this bootleg? I'd like to add >>it to the Fripp discography. Thanks! David Sylvian & Robert Fripp / The First Day 1. Soundscape 2. Firepower 3. Ascension 4. Song 5. Subterranean 6. First Day 7. Jean, the Birdman 8. Splatology 9. Mood #1 10. Protopunk 11. Blindinglight of Heaven 12. Urban Landscape -------- 1. Soundscape (Instrumental) Frippertronics 2. Firepower Same as Virgin-CD. But stick refrain is a bit different, heavy and crimsonesque. Including Stick Solo. 3. Ascension (Instrumental) Trey Gunn's Stick Solo, backing with Frippertronics. 4. Song Beautiful ballad. 5. Subterranean Time signature is 5/8. Fripp is doing a thrilling solo performance. But this peace is now included into the ending section of the 5th track(20th C...?) of Virgin-CD. 6. First Day Soon you will listen to this song. 7. Jean, the Birdman Same as Virgin-CD. 8. Splatology Same as the 5th track(20th C...?) of Virgin-CD. 9. Mood #1 Beautiful ballad. 10. Protopunk (Instrumental) Larks' tongue style guitar phrase. 11. Blindinglight of Heaven Heavy Rock and roll. 12. Urban Landscape (Instrumental) Frippertronics. --- Takashi ARAMAKI aramaki at telecom dot mci dot mei dot co dot jp [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: ASAEL at vms dot huji dot ac dot il@cs.man.ac.uk Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 14:46 +0200 Subject: Anagrams While we were at anagrams - there's one from RF himself: SUNDER HERE NAVY MAN = Under Heavy Manners TTTTThat's all folks, RamZ. p.s. the most beautiful one i've seen in music is definitely RAW MELODY MEN = New Model Army [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 08:25:18 EST From: David Markfield Subject: Adrian Belew at The Vogue, Indianapolis, 10-19-93 First and foremost let me say....if you have a chance to see Belew his "Extremely Unplugged" do not pass it up. RUN do not walk to get tickets. While at the show I spoke with a number of people who said their friends were skipping the show since Adrian was not electric and they didn't really know what he could do. These people truly missed out. Don't be one of them if you can't help it. The show was basically the same structure as has been mentioned before, Adrian playing 3 songs then fielding questions and requests. However he was really enjoying himself and so the structure rapidly fell apart. It was more questions and then a song whenever one was requested or the topic seemed to suggest one. Belew was very talkative and in great humor. He seemed very suprised to see so many people in the audience and find such a receptive audience on a Tuesday night. No real startling revelations by Belew except that he has a new CD coming out called "Here". It should be out around March. And of course has been mentioned previously he currently has an accoustic CD available only at shows and from his fanclub. The concert was really special and Belew did a number of songs he said he had not really planned for. I'll just list what he did he no particular order and comment a little on those that stand out. One Time (new Crimson song - really great...somewhat slower like a Matte Kudasi but will probably feature the overlapping leads that Belew and Fripp have made so much a signature of Crimson) Lone Rhinocerous (opened the show withthis) Peace on Earth (based on part of Tango Zebra) The Man in the Moon (Adrian explained how this was about him dealing with the death of his father) The Rail Song Matte Kudasi Dream Life (new I believe and quite good) Old Fat Cadillac (Bears...did one other Bears song I can't remember. Everybody wanted Superboy but he said he couldn't do that solo) Inner Revolution I'd Rather Be Right Here The War in the Gulf Between Us (did this by request....wasn't sure at first if he remembered it) Still Life of a Dobro (incredible instrumental from Guitar Speak #3) Heartbeat Young Lions Men in Helicopters (said this was one of his favorites) Flying (new song..said he's developed a fear of flying and this was how he dealt with it. Also said that after the 9 month, 26 country Bowie tour that he wanted to restrict his touring and never again go on such an exhaustive, non-stop tour) Baby's in Love with a Shoe Salesman (one of the first things he wrote, won third prize in a talent contest with. Full of some of the most awful puns) Frame By Frame (by request..one of my personal highlights) Big Accoustic Cat (another request....was really quite funny) Blackbird (beatles song.....someone mentioned a CD on NYC records where him and other artists perform instrumentals of beatles songs so belew did the one he had on the CD...except his CD version he said had all sorts of synths etc....if anyone knows how to find this CD please let me know) 1967 (very last song of the evening....he didn't do an encore per se. he said he was comfortable and what was the point of him running off stage etc.... he did the "encore songs" before this one) Accross the Universe (beatles) Couple other fun things....while explaining the technique used in Crimson, he played what I believe to be the opening section of Three of a Perfect Pair. Also when someone asked him about his Rhinocerous motif he cupped his hands around the microphone and did the vocals for Sexy Rhino. All in all a simply incredible evening...very much like having Adrian Belew in your living room...and one of the top shows I have ever seen. dave | Dave Markfield | The truth of sport plays rings around you 3633 Nobscot Court Apt 2A | - Yes - Indianapolis, IN 46222 | (317) 924-9631 | Thundering Herd 7-0, #1 Offense, #2 Defense | Indianapolis Colts 2-3 With Time to Regroup [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Andy Wilson Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 17:20:57 EDT Subject: Bentmen (Discipline Entry) The Bentmen are a Boston-based band that Adrian Belew recently recorded with. They played a show this past Saturday at the Middle East in Cambridge Mass. Since Adrian is on tour and was unable to make the show, his guitar parts were played by guitarist Eddie Nowak. The Bentmen have the most outrageous stage show I have ever seen. The stage was built up with some strange kind of mesh in front of the players, and all kinds of ducts and springs and things hanging >from the ceiling. Each band member wore a different bizarre costume. At different times during the set various players would come out to the front of the stage which extended unto the audience. A number of pee-wee-herman-masked lunatics in yellow Dick Tracy raincoats roamed through the audience wildly gyrating and making obscene gestures. The first song was "Patient Zero", a funereal number about the first AIDS patient. The singer, Bill "Des" Desmond was dressed as a medical patient and other members of the band were covering him with "blood" as he sang. Other highlights of the set included "Messiah's Gun", one of the band's best songs, which is about the immolation of the Branch Davidians under the leadership of madman David Koresh. Other highlights were "Oblivion's Engine", "Bad Thing", and "Bona Fide Lies". The Bentmen motto is "BIG, BIG, BIG" and this affects not only the stage show but the musical arrangements as well. The band has two of everything except there is only one bass (keyboards, drums, guitars). Some of the wildest moments were when guitarists Reeves Gabrels and Eddie Nowak were both up front slamming into each other and cranking out some of the most blistering guitar I've ever seen. At one point in the show Reeves was talking to his guitar's microphonic middle pickup through a walkie-talkie, talking into one while holding the other one up to the guitar. At the end of the show Reeves was scraping his guitar against the ceiling and Eddie was holding his guitar while keyboardist Kathy Desmond was playing it with her foot, then singer Bill Desmond put him in a headlock and helped him abuse his guitar, and Eddie he threw it repeatedly against his Marhall cabinet while it screamed with feedback. Drummer Larry Dersch at one point took one of the drums in his kit and strapped it to his waist and ran around the stage while playing it. Rotund keyboardist Chris Burbul in a moment up depravity supplicated before the cabbage-patch-doll heads on the end of Reeves' guitar and bassist Matt Gruenberg's bass. One could go on and on...all in all, it was an experience I will not soon forget and which is causing me to completely reevaluate my notion of the limits of live performance. Another thing I am convinced of after seeing this show is that Steinberger guitars, (ab)used by both Reeves Gabrels and Eddie Nowak, are virtually indestructible. The Bentmen will be doing a show at the Limelight in New York City in November. Andy [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 15:12:46 PDT From: "John Relph" Subject: The Concise King Crimson According to the latest Recent And Upcoming Album Releases posting, The Concise King Crimson is scheduled for release on 26 October. Perhaps it is in fact already available in the UK? Please send all details to me via e-mail so I can update the discography! By the way, can someone e-mail the tracklisting and times for The Great Deceiver Box Set? I have not been able to track them down as of yet. And I'll see you at the Sylvian & Fripp concert in Berkeley this Thursday! -- John [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 09:55:09 +0100 (MET) From: E dot Roos at buro dot kun dot nl Subject: The Concise King Crimson In the list of new releases nr. 93-43 (available on: new-releases-request at cs dot uwp dot edu) I read that on October 26 a "Best of" King Crimson will come out. Title: The Concise King Crimson. Does anyone know which songs are on this album? Eric [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] To join this mailing list or have your thoughts in the next issue, please send electronic mail to Toby Howard at the following address: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk The Discipline archives are available on ftp.uwp.edu, in /pub/music/lists/discipline. The views expressed in Discipline are those of the individual authors only.