Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1116 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1116 Thursday, 17 April 2003 Today's Topics: Andrew Keeling Musical Guides to King Crimson - Newsletter, April 2003 Crimson and kids/John Lennon The Power to Be Leafed King Crimson music played by the Metropole Orchestra Marillion's latest experiment in bucking the music industry New FraKctured Competition King Henry? Crimson Cow? Re: Recycled (?) guitar riff in TPtB II Re: Love those kids North Star Lyrics TPTB Re: Effect? The LTIA Set Crimson in Santa Rosa, CA 3/27 In The Court Of The Crimson King 30th Anniv. Robert Fripp the Capatalist! KC playing in the UK King Crimson Songs Digital Art Collage ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:39:44 +0100 From: "A Musical Guide to King Crimson" Subject: Andrew Keeling Musical Guides to King Crimson - Newsletter, April 2003 Andrew Keeling Musical Guides to King Crimson - Latest News! Volume 1 - Larks' Tongues In Aspic (SGLMG001) published by Spaceward Graphics Ltd - Price #12.75 (+ VAT + postage & packing) www.larkstonguesinaspic.ukf.net a.. Now available at DGM Online Shop - http://www.nexternal.com/dgm/?Target=products.asp&RowID=448 b.. Now available via PayPal - http://www.larkstonguesinaspic.ukf.net/PayPal.htm c.. Now available at Helter Skelter Bookshop in London - http://www.helterskelterbooks.com/ Volume 2 - In The Court Of The Crimson King (SGLMG002) Coming soon! Proposed price #12.75 (+ VAT + postage & packing) a.. Now under construction! See Andrew Keeling's diary at http://diaries.krimson-news.com/AndrewKeeling.shtml for the very latest news and progress reports. A 20% discount will again be offered to those who pre-order (i.e. in advance of publication) Full details will be announced in the next newsletter. Recent Reviews of Vol 1... "This guide strips the album of its mystique and presents the raw musical components for you to play with. Fripp's musical theories are explained, his influences pointed out and there are even electronic scores to follow, complete with computerised soundtrack so you can see exactly what note goes where." Darren Lock at http://www.frakctured.net "I'd say if you are a musician and you are familiar with "Larks' Tongues in Aspic", this is a worthwhile buy - it will certainly enlighten you. I will be listening to the album in a different way in future." Big Block 454 from http://www.progressiveears.com/ "Indispensable if you are to call yourself a Crimhead!" Sid Smith, King Crimson biographer at http://diaries.krimson-news.com/SidSmith.shtml "Your combined efforts have given me academic insight into LTIA that enhances my overall appreciation." from an E-mail from Ray Segura What is it? It is a CD-ROM for PC and Mac - the first in a series of informative, insightful, interactive musical guides by Andrew Keeling to the secret mechanics that power the mysterious music of King Crimson. It is generously illustrated with photographs and musical notation diagrams that you simply click with your mouse to play using your computer's sound card. In addition to an analysis there's a not-to-be-missed, full study-score of 'Larks' Tongues In Aspic Part 2' that you can play, print out and keep. 13,600 words, 15 photographs (including some previously unpublished) More than 80 resolution independent, multimedia, 'musical' illustrations* Full score and synthetic performance of Larks' Tongues In Aspic, Part 2* *Comes complete with all necessary software to view and play score This is a scholastic yet accessible work. Andrew Keeling's credentials as composer and academic are impeccable and he will be well-known to King Crimson enthusiasts as DGM recording artist and erstwhile diarist. Keeling's powerful, challenging ideas are given full throat by Mark Graham's brilliant, interactive, multimedia illustrations. This guide takes you through all the complexities of the music, stripping away layer after layer to reveal the inner workings of the exquisite machinery of harmony, counterpoint and rhythm that, seemingly so effortlessly, go together to make: "Larks' Tongues In Aspic. This is a 'must-have' for all fans of good music and a definitive work on an icon of Progressive Rock. ~ Find out more and download free samples at www.larkstonguesinaspic.ukf.net ~ "I found the content stimulating, provocative, challenging and entertaining. It's extremely well-written, easily followed in terms of its navigation and lay-out and above all else it made me want to hear the album again" - Sid Smith, author of "In The Court of King Crimson" "This is seriously cool. Downloaded and played around with the sample program for Song of the Gulls and it is a very nice interface. Ordered my copy and I seriously can't wait to dive into the theory of Krim. I've taken a good bit of music theory but I have no real "ear" for harmony. Seeing how LTIA really operates will do a lot for my understanding of the music. The cost was about 16 bucks US, plus 4 bucks shipping. Well worth it in my opinion." - Matthew Dunlop - Elephant Talk #1077 ~ Spaceward Graphics Ltd are developers and suppliers of Satori FilmFX (www.satoripaint.com), which is award-winning, resolution-independent, paint and image-editing software. The Spaceward brand will also be familiar to music fans - in the 70's and 80's Spaceward Studios was the location for the recording of many classic albums and singles as the discography at www.spacewardstudios.ukf.net attests. ~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:07:34 EDT From: Pat6915 at cs dot com Subject: Crimson and kids/John Lennon My son is six and loves King Crimson. His favorite song is Three of a Perfect Pair from Heavy Construction. He loves to sing along with it. He also really likes HWWYHTBHW as well as Eyes Wide Open. He says the drum part in The Power To Believe III sounds like a T-Rex and is always asking me to play it again for him. I'm glad he has such great tastes in music. Also in a recent issue of Elephant Talk someone mentioned that Adrian said something about John Lennon after performing The Facts Of Life. Could someone please remind me of what that was. Pat Sullivan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 18:17:23 EDT From: Boobird at aol dot com Subject: The Power to Be Leafed Dear Folks -- More spring-like weather (until tomorrow), more Crimson on the CD player. "The Power to Believe" just keeps evoking thoughts, thoughts and more thoughts. At the risk of alienating this entire list... 1)With the various (non-)treatments of Mr. Belew's voice on this recording, one can almost hear another voice singing. Please do not take this as a slam on his efforts here; to me they are superb. But subtle alterations can play big tricks on my empty mind. So who could sing which songs? TPTB 1 -- Greg Lake Eyes Wide Open -- Chrissie Hynde Facts of Life -- John Wetton TPTB 2 -- Mary Fahl Happy... -- Boz TPTB 3 + TPTB 4 -- just Mr. Belew... 2) What drove my cat to leap off the condo balcony to his untimely demise? At about 3:59 into "Dangerous Curves:" miaomiaomiaomiaomiaomiaomiaomiao.... (animal lovers: no cats were harmed for this bullet point) 3) The overall similar feel between this album and "In the Wake of Poseidon" is uncanny. So why does the former float my boat, while with the latter I'm stuck at the pier? (ITWOP lovers: my opinion only...) Also read Mr. Fripp's most interesting diary entries. Before this is declared a dead thread (and it might get snipped anyways): Audience- Soothing Soundscape While I Need Downtime Many thanks to Mr. Gunn's inspiration... Mustn't forget Mr. Mastelotto. Pat is Pat. Da phat cat o' da rat-a-tat-tat. I tip my hat. And dat ain't no rat, Matt. (Apologies to pro wrestler John Cena...) Now back to that most perfect of albums (finally on CD), "Presenting the New Christy Minstrels." Best wishes to all (Josette, where are you?). Toby, Dan and the whole crew, keep up the great work! -- Mark Newstrom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:28:18 +0200 From: "Bruinenberg, Fred" Subject: King Crimson music played by the Metropole Orchestra Hello, I posted this news already on the Krimson-news forum and on the cgtrio yahoo group, but for those who didn't know. Andrew Keeling and Bert Lams' transcriptions of Robert Fripp's work that will be performed by the Metropole Orchestra at the Paradiso in Amsterdam on June 28th as part of this year's Holland Festival. ( http://www.hollandfestival.nl/holnd_fstvl/?menuitem 03voorstellingen&id=10 46790200329 for more info) will also be broadcast on internet radio on: Zo 29 juni between 19.00 - 23.00 uur in the evening by the NPS Radio 4 ( http://portal.omroep.nl/radio/mplayer4 ), this is european time and i'm not sure what the time will be overthere in America (maybe someone can help me out?) Also On the 28th of june after the concert, there will be a Meet The Arts with Andrew Keeling en Bert Lams, interviewed by Aad van Nieuwkerk ( VPRO Radio), not sure if this also will be broadcast on the 29e. Cheers Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:24:33 +0100 From: Sandy Starr Subject: Marillion's latest experiment in bucking the music industry As part of my ongoing campaign to get KC fans interested in the (partially) DGM-inspired business innovations (not to mention brilliant music!) of Marillion, I urge you to look at this new FAQ they've posted about their forthcoming album: http://www.marillion.com/news/newalbum/faq.html Marillion set a precedent with their last album, Anoraknophobia, when they raised over #100,000 from their fans by getting them to pay for it when it hadn't even been recorded yet. This enabled the band to record and manufacture the album without a record company advance, and without any of the stifling conditions that come with such an advance. They got to retain the recording copyright (not just the publishing copyright) in the music, and the album was picked up for distribution - on the strength of the guaranteed presales - by their former label EMI. With their forthcoming album, they're planning to raise money from fans not only for the recording, but also for the marketing. This is because they were disappointed with the way EMI marketed Anoraknophobia, and they desperately need to grow their fanbase beyond its loyal core if they are to reverse their dwindling album sales. If you're too busy to read the FAQ, here are some parts that the KC fan might find interesting: 'We did better financially out of the 13,000 sales we made directly to you, the fans, than we did out of the 85,000 that EMI sold. So thank you for that.' 'At what point will Marillion cease to exist? When will our sales fall below the point that music ceases to be a career and becomes a part-time hobby for the five of us?' 'Normally, when an artist signs to a record label, they are given an "advance" against future royalty income. This is on a repayable but non-returnable basis. This means if the band never manages to earn enough royalties to repay the advance, they don't have to sell their grandmother to repay the debt. This cash advance is normally required by the band to cover the costs of writing and recording the album, not to mention living expenses. The reason why the record companies are happy to advance money to an artist who may never sell any CDs is because when an artist does hit the big time they make enough money out of them to cover all the money wasted on the failures...and still more on top.' 'Here is one example of how little we get paid by EMI for the sale of one copy of our biggest selling album. Misplaced Childhood is what's called a "mid-priced album" and sells for roughly #9 -#10. We are paid the princely sum of 15p, not each, but between us! Didn't we have a lawyer look over the contract? Yes, of course we did. He thought it was OK. That's how it was, and still is, in the music industry. Legal theft.' 'If you don't live in the UK, Germany, France, or the Netherlands it may have been a few years since you've seen Marillion live. What can we say? Sorry...sorry...sorry. We really have tried to look at touring in all those places we haven't been to for so long, but by going to those countries, we would stand to lose more money than we can afford. What would you do?' Once again, I urge you to check out this great and always interesting band, and I wish them success with this latest experiment. As CD sales continue to fall, and the risk-averse music industry battens down the hatches, business experiments by bands like KC and Marillion are crucial to the future of good music. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:07:59 +0100 From: "Darren" Subject: New FraKctured Competition A big thank you to all you Elephant Talk subscribers who came over to FraKctured.net and took part in our recent competition to win a copy of "A Musical Guide to Larks' Tongues in Aspic" by Andrew Keeling and Mark Graham. The answer to the question "Who designed the sleeve to Larks' Tongues in Aspic" was, of course, Tantric Design of London. A random name was selected from the winning answers and the aptly titled Mike Champagne was the lucky winner. Well done to all those who entered. This month, we have a new competition at FraKctured to win a signed copy of Tony Levin's excellent CD "Pieces of the Sun". To take part, head over to the FraKctured website at http://www.frakctured.net/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=14 for all the details. You've got until 11 May 2003 to get your entries in - so there's plenty of time to track down the answer to this particularly tricky question. Thanks for reading this far, Darren FraKctured - A King Crimson ColleKctive http://www.frakctured.net More crappy MP3.com music http://www.mp3.com/lock ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 00:40:17 +0100 From: "phill lister" Subject: King Henry? Crimson Cow? Just an observation and IMHO, I can't help recognising in the new cKrimso something that was in Henry Cow. Superficially, is it that they both incorporate sounds of significant european composers in their soundworld? The wierd stuff? Mozart, etc.? :0) And is it that the musicians all work busily with others and bring that freshness to their discovery? I'm a bit distracted here. I'm listening to the stuff from the link on the ET site going to a 59 min audio of a Fripp - Gunn - CGT - other wonderful people. Another link is the virtuoso female vocal in this performance and Dagmar's with Henry. Just finished listening to broadcast. I can't talk about the music. Except to say it was wonderful in itself and also gives insights into the building of TPTB - e.g. the acapella intro, bit in the middle, right at the end. A device used on TPTB. It works, the structure allows the parts to be dynamic not sequential. Good night and good listening ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:34:52 +0300 From: "Jari Schroderus" Subject: Re: Recycled (?) guitar riff in TPtB II In ET#1110 Mike was wondering about a guitar riff in TPtB II. I found it today: its on "Bringing Down the Light" from the Sylvian/Fripp album "The First Day". But then again, it might be somewhere else too. Jari Schroderus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:44:23 -0500 From: Loren Claypool Subject: Re: Love those kids > I really enjoyed the post a few issues ago from the gentleman who took his > children to see King Crimson. His kids' comments were so honest and > insightful. I wish I could have done the same, but Park West would not > allow anyone under 21. Somehow you got the wrong info as both shows at the Park West were all ages shows. I took my sixteen year old son both nights. Interestingly enough, two weekends later my wife and I saw Joe Jackson at an 18 and over show at the Vic. This marks our fifth KC show in the last three years: Shepherds Bush Empire, Park West, Chicago Theatre, Park West, and Park West. They keep getting better and better and better... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:29:41 EDT From: GORTAY at aol dot com Subject: North Star Lyrics Jim from Canada (ET 1115) wanted the lyrics to "North Star" from "Exposure". The lyrics are on the inner sleeve to the original release of the LP. They are by Joanna Walton and are as follows (deep breath): "North star, we stare, how far, how clear, now touch, touch here, now warm, now near, now near within, with you, with love, with love, how sweet, how filled, now time, now time, now touch, how sweet, how near, how filled, now time, times still, I'm still, tonight. North star, we stare, how far, how clear, how far, how clear, how far, how clear, now touch, touch here, now warm, now near, within you, with you, with love, with love, with love. I stand in the hallway, she stands in the hall, I stand in the doorway, she stands at the door, I lean in the window, she leans on the wind, I wait for beginnings, she waits for the end. North star, north star, how far, how clear, now touch, touch here, now warm, now near, now near, how far, how clear, now touch, touch here, now warm, now near, now near." The punctuation was added by me cos on the album each line consists of 2 words running down the page, apart from the part "I stand...the end" and it would take up the whole of the newsletter, though it does make a pretty pattern. Whilst I'm here I would like to take exception to Jim's description of Mr. Hall"s usual output as "pop junk". Pah!!!! Darryl Hall and John Oates released absolutely loads of great songs including "She's Gone" from the fantastic "Abandoned Luncheonette" album. Not to mention the sublime "I can't go for that (no can do)". Hall and Oates output was really, though I don't like the term myself, blue eyed soul and the worst to be said about hem was that they had too many poor imitators. Step forward Simply Red! Even so, pop junk? Can't get enough of it myself. Gordy. xx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 19:22:59 EDT From: Guitar86rick at aol dot com Subject: TPTB The most unique property concerning The Power To Believe album is that it has been the only KC cd that I enjoyed on the first listen. Every other one of their albums seemed either strange to my virgin ears or just not appealing. After several more times through, I always begin to love them. But the first time I heard TPTB, a smile spread across my face and stayed there the whole way through. Has anyone else had similar thoughts? Rick PS: I love the lyrics to Into the Frying Pan so much. I don't know why. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:04:40 -0700 From: Billy Lusk Subject: Re: Effect? While there may be some effects involved, what you are primarily hearing is the 9-string half-fretless Warr Artisan. There is a great photo of this instrument on the Krimson-News roadcams page http://roadcam.krimson-news.com/image/800/kc030503-g.jpg For more information on the Warr Guitar and the Artisan line go to www.warrguitars.com. Best Regards, Billy Lusk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:00:56 -0400 From: Tim Subject: The LTIA Set > I wondered why Krim hasn't ever > played all four parts of LTIA in a row. How's this for a set list for the KC Instrumental Tour? Set 1-Larking and Thrakking Lark's Tongues in Aspic Part 1 Lark's Tongues in Aspic Part 2 Lark's Tongues in Aspic Part 3 THRAK Lark's THRAK (from the Intergalactic Boogie Express) Lark's Tongues in Aspic Part 4 Level 5 Set 2-Circulations and Patterns Fracture Discipline Fraktured The Construction of Light (instrumental) Hope Painting and Dance (Adrian/Robert duet) Elektrik Encore- One More Red Night VROOOM Breathless Red VROOOM VROOOM Bring your earplugs...! Tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:10:21 -0700 From: Steve Mullany Subject: Crimson in Santa Rosa, CA 3/27 Small venue, half full. Terrific sound, close up audience and musicians. Two encores, Adrian saying "I can use the practice". Mostly middle aged males audience. RF in the dark while the rest in spotlights. Controlled virtuosity from all, beautiful delicate "One Time". Audience member shouted out "Adrian!" in the pre-start silence just after taking the stage. Adrian bowed, raised his fist and grinned. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 18:59:54 +0200 From: "Sieciech" Subject: In The Court Of The Crimson King 30th Anniv. Hello, I've just got the 30th Anniv. edition of the first KC album and at about 33-34th second of the recording there's a 'sound problem' (sorry bout my English) in the right channel. Does it occur on all copies or is my cd defective. (there's no such problem on the 1989 version). Michal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:53:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Raymond Raupers Subject: Robert Fripp the Capatalist! I just love the posts regarding Fripp's use of capitalism! Nothing could be more proper than exposing the socialists to a working man's earned stature. Or maybe Rock 'n' Roll is straight from hell? Later, Rockabilly Ray ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:45:04 +0100 From: "David Hudson" Subject: KC playing in the UK >From Fripp's postings it is clear that he dislikes (to put it mildly) playing in London and/or the rest of the country. Does anyone know why this is? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:14:09 -0400 From: "Rich Schmitt" Subject: King Crimson Songs Digital Art Collage Hello ETers, I am a ET newbie,but long time KC fan. I want to invite you to check out a digital collage I made which visually represents every King Crimson song from all their full length studio albums. Here is the link: http://tinyurl.com/9mpj I also have made a Adrian Belew Songs Collage which can be viewed here: http://tinyurl.com/3nzt Hope you all enjoy it. Thanks. Viva La Crimson! Rich ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1116 *********************************