Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1114 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1114 Wednesday, 9 April 2003 Today's Topics: My Vote for Peter Gabriel Summer Tour Warm-Up Band... Adrian Belew interview by Shawn Perry where are the discs made? Re: One More Red Nightmare Love those kids King Crimson ticket Prices Cancelled Denver shows SARS and KC Japan Tour History Interview/Touring Re: Denver blizzard, SCI ticketing "Facts of Life", audience appreciation (Santa Rosa vs. SF), and poem Selling Music By the Pound Ticket prices in OZ King Crimson Newsgroup Re: that new David Sylvian and Derek Bailey release Re: Mike Giles drums on the incredible "Confessions of Dr. Dream" park west GIG REVIEW: SF 3/28/03 GIG REVIEW: Portland, OR Roseland Theatre March 25 GIG REVIEW: Bill Bruford's Earthworks at Ronnie Scott's, April 5 ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 02:58:23 EST From: MikeTEACHR at aol dot com Subject: My Vote for Peter Gabriel Summer Tour Warm-Up Band... --part1_11a.20c30149.2bbbf21f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, PG is touring the states again this summer and someone on a PG newsgroup asked if there would be a warm-up act. hmmmm..... I've seen PG since 1980 with Random Hold, The Fixx, Youssou N'Dour, Blind Boys, etc... Given the totally random nature of the above; oh why the hell not; let's just not really think about it and throw this name in the hat for PG's summer tour..... King Crimson. 1. OK; so its too obvious and stupid and futile and what happens when tony tries to sneak up behind trey and boot him, but the fripp/pg history is there, as well as many crossing twines in the family trees of these two... 2. Well ya want new music? Ya got it with KC these days. I know the KC moniker carries a certain 'inertia' to it, but hey.... 3. Speaking of new music; believe it or not, there do exist a large segment of the PG population who know him from music released during MTV/PG years and "In Your Eyes". And to many of them, its "Robert WHAT?!" 4. PG has been opening shows with 'Here Comes The Flood'. OK; KC performs; leaves the stage [except fripp]; PG enters solo and we have a Fripp/PG duo; and the heavens open up and we all fly away die happy. Well; of course I'm sure there are at least a dozen reasons why this is impossible, stupid, futile, trite, and a waste. Even with the image of Trey and Tony fencing with grand sticks for control of the KC stage. Wow; and I could have been doing real Work... Mike Black [screwing up Guitar Craft courses since 1986] Miketeachr at aol dot com www.miketheteacher.com PS: Not to use this forum for to plug my site; but I have a collection of a few dozen concert ticket stubs; and many from bands mentioned on ET. The scans of the tickets are there; and you can do see the evolution of tickets prices over time [there's a PG stub in there from 23 years ago]; and in places ranging in size from clubs to football arenas. A few KC stubs too. Do your own "Ticket Price Debate Research"! --part1_11a.20c30149.2bbbf21f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well,

PG is touring the states again this summer and someone on a PG newsgroup ask= ed if there would be a warm-up act. hmmmm.....

I've seen PG since 1980 with Random Hold, The Fixx, Youssou N'Dour, Blind Bo= ys, etc... Given the totally random nature of the above; oh why the hell not= ; let's just not really think about it and throw this name in the hat for PG= 's summer tour.....

King Crimson.

1. OK; so its too obvious and stupid and futile and what happens when tony t= ries to sneak up behind trey and boot him, but the fripp/pg history is there= , as well as many crossing twines in the family trees of these two...
2. Well ya want new music? Ya got it with KC these days. I know the KC monik= er carries a certain 'inertia' to it, but hey....
3. Speaking of new music; believe it or not, there do exist a large segment=20= of the PG population who know him from music released during MTV/PG years an= d "In Your Eyes". And to many of them, its "Robert WHAT?!"
4. PG has been opening shows with 'Here Comes The Flood'. OK; KC performs; l= eaves the stage [except fripp]; PG enters solo and we have a Fripp/PG duo; a= nd the heavens open up and we all fly away die happy.

Well; of course I'm sure there are at least a dozen reasons why this is impo= ssible, stupid, futile, trite, and a waste. Even with the image of Trey and=20= Tony fencing with grand sticks for control of the KC stage.

Wow; and I could have been doing real Work...

Mike Black [screwing up Guitar Craft courses since 1986]
Miketeachr at aol dot com
www.miketheteacher.com

PS: Not to use this forum for to plug my site; but I have a collection of a=20= few dozen concert ticket stubs; and many from bands mentioned on ET. The sca= ns of the tickets are there; and you can do see the evolution of tickets pri= ces over time [there's a PG stub in there from 23 years ago]; and in places=20= ranging in size from clubs to football arenas. A few KC stubs too. Do your o= wn "Ticket Price Debate Research"!
--part1_11a.20c30149.2bbbf21f_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:31:36 -0500 From: "Gerardo Liedo" Subject: Adrian Belew interview by Shawn Perry >From Patti Williams' Classic Rock A report by special correspondent Shawn Perry It's a sunny Saturday afternoon and I'm scheduled to meet with Adrian Belew at his Beverly Hills hotel. Just as I enter the lobby I immediately catch him in the corner of my eye -- looking dapper, almost resplendent in cotton khakis and a light-colored pullover, along with his hair in a mild state of disarray. Belew is chatting it up with Robert Fripp, the de facto leader of King Crimson, who flashes me his iniquitous, demure smile and hightails it out of the lobby before I can get any closer. I would expect nothing less. Once I announce who I am, I'm told that things are running a little behind. Can I come back later, around a half-hour or so? Not a problem. Before I leave, Adrian says: "You know there used to be a Haagen-Dazs right across the street. That's one of the reasons I wanted to stay here. But they closed it. If it were still open, you could wait there." Right off the bat, I see the attention to detail, the unmistakable thought process he must pour into his music. I can be thankful that Adrian Belew is looking out for me. An hour later, I sit down with the man and I know I'm in for a treat. Adrian Belew has covered a lot of ground in his 25 years as a musician. Jumping in head first with none other than Frank Zappa, Belew went on to log time with David Bowie and Talking Heads before he ran into Fripp and reactivated King Crimson. Since then, it's been one long, crazy journey. The guy even played on Paul Simon's Graceland, for crying out loud. As passionate of a musician as you could possibly be, Belew maintains a wild pace that's well-matched with his desire to experiment and tinker with ideas, concepts and meanderings of any sort -- sitting in here, playing on that session, painting, writing, recording -- and being the front man for King Crimson, one of the most eclectic group of musicians to ever roam the earth. It's a full time job and Belew is scrupulously good at it. The first portion of our conversation focuses on the new Crimson album, The Power To Believe, their first full-length effort in over two years. According to Belew, that's roughly the amount of time the group always needs to complete an album. "It's weeks to make a King Crimson record," he says. "It's maybe two years to write one." It was a process of "writing it, rewriting it, refining it, redefining it" before the band even stepped inside a studio. Like much of Crimson's music, the key to The Power To Believe is an unspoken sense of balance, a benevolent bow to loose interpretation and a degree of improvisation based largely on syncopated chord structures and nifty little surprises around every corner. "The Power To Believe" is a four-part cycle that surrounds six other songs. Belew says it all came together in the final stages. "After two years of work, we knew we had all the major pieces. But only at the end of the record did we realize there was still something missing that could thread this all together." Within the thematic framework are some truly amazing moments between the four present members of King Crimson: Belew, Fripp, Trey Gunn and Pat Mastelotto. As a second outing by this particular combination, it's been an adjustment to say the least, especially for Belew who had felt a strong kinship with Tony Levin and Bill Bruford with whom he had been in the band with since 1981. Without much explanation, the two disappeared from the Crimson fold after 1999's Projeckts, a four disc box set of improvisational music played by various combinations (Fripp called them "fractals") of the six member, mid 90s line-up. This fractalisation of King Crimson led to 2000's The ConstruKction Of Light, which was met with some confusion by Crimson's loyal followers and casual fans alike. For one, the absence of Levin and Bruford altered the make-up of the band's unique chemistry. But as Belew sees it, internal differences between Fripp and Bruford had been brewing for a while and a change had to be made. "Even though I love being around both Robert and Bill, I'm glad to see that tension gone. Sometimes a tension can drive something, but I felt like that part of it was gone and now there was just tension," he laughs. "It's just two guys who don't really see music in the same way and probably shouldn't be working together. I'm sure they're still good friends, but it's a relief to me that I'm not stuck between the two of them. I respect them so much that I felt a lot of times I was in between these two guys who had their gloves on. And I was taking a lot of the punches." If anything, The Power To Believe shows how the group, as it always has in the face of continual shifts in personnel, has forged ahead and made the appropriate adjustments. This is especially evident now that Gunn and Mastelotto have begun to come into their own, demonstrating the sort of diligence to the Crimson cause that Belew admits was lacking. "I consider them the next-generation of King Crimson," he muses. "It's been intriguing to watch them follow in the footsteps and take over for Tony and Bill. I know it's been very difficult for them because they admire those guys. But they're different from Tony and Bill. They bring a younger and more adventurous mentality to the group. Pat is really involved in listening to all the hip-hop, loop music and all the stuff that I don't know much about. Trey plays a similar instrument to the one that Tony uses, the touch-sensitive bass, but he attacks it more from a guitar angle. He uses guitar effects and he's more apt to play something with a guitar mentality." Breaking it down, The Power To Believe evolves organic, each stride worthy of examination. "Level Five" is a hard-hitting instrumental that showcases the group's extraordinary prowess as a highly functional ball of energy with a style that instantly interlocks and fires away. Belew tells me about one of the more evocative pieces on the album -- "Eyes Wide Open," a kinder and gentler Crimson number in the grand tradition of "Heartbeat" and "Matte Kudasei." He cites it as another example of the symmetry that exists within the band. "There's a necessity for the softer side, the melodic side," he says, pausing slightly. "'Eyes Wide Open' is funny to me. One day, Robert and I were sitting quietly in my studio trying to invent some more ideas and we started playing in the same way that we used to play in the '81 band, that sort of interlocking guitar stuff that makes up songs like 'Discipline' or 'Neal And Jack And Me.' We hadn't played that way together for a long time -- 20 years, I guess. And we looked at each other and said, 'You know what -- we kind of invented this; it's ours to use if we want to.' And once that door was open, I felt like this is cool. It inspired me." Lyrically, Belew has always walked a fine line between being acerbically poetic and utterly absurd. He's an avid reader, with a penchant to incorporate various influences and ideas into the mix. "Wordplay or global meaning or romanticism or spontaneous prose." He reels them off. "It just depends on the material. If we're writing a song and it comes out to be, you know, like neurotica, then I'm going to probably say, 'You know this needs the hip jazz, fast-paced, spontaneous prose, go nuts kind of wordplay.'" One new song in particular stands out for its truly unique brand of banter: "Happy With What You Have To Be Happy With." As it turns out, the working lyrics, if you can call them that, were merely set up around the time signature of the song, never meant to stick. "We had this thing we were doing musically, where the band is playing in distant time signatures based around eleven. I thought this is going to end up on the cutting floor, unless I can formulate something to sing over it. Once I find something to sing over it, it legitimizes the idea somehow. One new song in particular stands out for its truly unique brand of banter: "Happy With What You Have To Be Happy With." As it turns out, the working lyrics, if you can call them that, were merely set up around the time signature of the song, never meant to stick. "We had this thing we were doing musically, where the band is playing in distant time signatures based around eleven. I thought this is going to end up on the cutting floor, unless I can formulate something to sing over it. Once I find something to sing over it, it legitimizes the idea somehow. "So I worked for three or four days trying to come up with exactly the right phrase to sing against it. It ended up in a phrase eleven syllables long: happy with what you have to be happy with. Once I played that for the guys, it became a song. Suddenly, we're strapping to see what ideas would go with it. We put together a lot of different arrangements and finally came up with one that everyone agreed on. Then they asked, 'Now, what would you sing over this?' And I said, 'I haven't had time to write the lyrics, but I know what I would do melodically.' And they said, 'Well, why don't you send us a tape of what you think the melody would be, because we're not sure of what to play until you develop the melody.' So they went away and I quickly wrote down this sort of funny thing. (sings) 'Well, if I had some words, I'd sing them here and I'd sing them like this and this would probably be the chorus.' I did it in a joking manner for them to learn the melody. And everybody liked it so much that we kept it that way." I inquire as to how on earth Belew has developed into the songwriter and musician he has become today. He smiles at me in such a way that says I should know the answer. "I don't know if I'd be able to write for King Crimson if I hadn't had a year of schooling from Frank Zappa. Especially in odd time signatures. Before I joined Frank's band, I didn't know anything about odd time signatures. He sat me down and said to me, 'I don't usually play in 4/4, so you're gonna have to play in 7/8.' He taught me from day one. Without that real understanding, I don't think I could have been a writer of 'Three Of A Prefect Pair' or something like that. "So I owe Frank a direct debt in that way; but moreover, I think Frank was the person who showed me the ropes on how to be a touring professional, recording musician. The daily nuts and bolts that you need to know. And he imparted it to me in such a way that was hilarious, but it was also extremely educational and valuable. I don't know how I would have fared if I hadn't had his tutoring for that year. His music was so complicated that anything that followed it seemed easy. It really put me in the right frame of mind, to be ready to take on things like playing with David Bowie or being in King Crimson or making my own records." Speaking of which, when it comes to making his own records, Belew certainly hasn't held back. Since 1982, he has issued over a dozen solo albums, along with oodles of collaborations and one-off projects. Recently, his first three solo albums originally released on Island Records have been polished off and re- issued on CD for the very first time. According to Belew, when Crimson inked a deal with a new company in Japan, they realized they owned the masters to Lone Rhino, Twang Bar King and Desire Caught By The Tail and decided it was high time to re-release them in the preferred format. Belew couldn't have been more pleased. "They did such a great job. The music sounds fantastic. The artwork is incredible. When I got those records in the mail, I just cried over them," he laughs. "I was so happy they were available and done right. I must admit that they meant a lot of to me. They still stand the test of time. I think people will really be surprised. I was because I don't have a record player anymore and I hadn't heard them in years." With his back catalog in full bloom, Belew is gearing up for a new solo project he's been working on in between breaks from Crimson and his other group, the Bears. "I have done a lot of my own material, which I work on, a little bit here and a little bit there. Now, it's compiled itself to the point that I have more than 20 tracks and I'm real excited about all of them. I'm hoping I'll get one big space where I can finish them off." I scratch my head, finding this interesting in light of the fact that Crimson is in full swing and just about to mount a full-scale tour that's taking them through the States and over to Japan. Unabated, Belew continues: "What I'm going to do is put together a record that is sort of two different musical mentalities. One is the kind of current beat box, drum loop type thinking that people have in a lot of their records now. I feel I can take it to a different place. I've written ten pieces that are like that. They're all in various states of completion. The second part of the record is a power trio, in the true sense of the word, bass, drums, guitar...maybe one or two guys singing ... playing really muscular, aggressive music, not unlike King Crimson, but in a trio format. "For this, I've chosen to have Les Claypool and Danny Carey the drummer from Tool. So after I finish this weekend's promo, I'm flying to San Francisco and we're going to record there for 10 days with the three of us. It's possible that Danny, Les and I will gather enough material to do a project apart from my solo record. So on this beat box kind of album with loops you'll hear a door open up and suddenly you're in a room with a live power trio." As if that isn't enough on his plate, Belew confirms that an anthology he's supposedly been working on for years is right on track and being prepared for release. "Dust is a huge compilation. It's over a 100 tracks long and includes everything from my earliest work till now. It's a 20-year retrospective, a box set." Then he laughs before adding, "we'll also put out a single CD called Particles..." Amazingly, with so many extracurricular activities at hand, Belew says Crimson is still a top priority. "I've stayed in and been involved in King Crimson and in its various incarnations mainly because it challenges me. Every time King Crimson does something, you're put on the spot to really do the best you can do. And do things maybe you didn't know you could do. So it's all about challenging and working at a high level of integrity. It has nothing to do with the normal machinations of a rock band. You're not worrying about being on television or videos or anything like that. The whole idea of the game is to play something remarkable together. And that's the tradition of the band. So, I'm really proud of being a part of that. I was a huge fan of King Crimson before I was in the band, and that's how I thought of them -- as being sort of a cut above your normal band. So now I look back 21, 22 years of being able to get in there and battle it out with one another. And it's still great." A report by special correspondent Shawn Perry ------ http://classicrock.about.com/library/weekly/aa031903a.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 13:29:02 -0500 From: "Brian Cameron" Subject: where are the discs made? Okay, so this might appear to be a strange question. Does anyone know in what country or countries DGM discs are manufactured? I am referring to the discs that do not carry the Virgin or EG or whatever label (these ones clearly state where they are made). In other words, where are the discs with only the DGM logo manufactured. These include releases like Heavy Construction, Vroom Vroom, Absent Lovers, and a pile of others. Are they all made in the UK? Just curious. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:04:34 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Zeien Subject: Re: One More Red Nightmare > I'm thinking about the great songs on Red I'd like someone to explain how > out of all their songs anyone thinks One More Red Nightmare is a good song? I'll sum it up in one word: Bruford. R|C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:29:35 -0600 From: "Brothers, Michael (IA)" Subject: Love those kids Hi All: I really enjoyed the post a few issues ago from the gentleman who took his children to see King Crimson. His kids' comments were so honest and insightful. I wish I could have done the same, but Park West would not allow anyone under 21. Oh well, my kids have been content listening to The Power To Believe with me in the car as we drive about to our many and varied obligations. Last night coming home from a Cub Scout meeting we are listening to 'Level 5'. When it's over, my 7 year-old said "That is so cool." Then 'Eyes Wide Open' plays, and I'm singing along with this fabulous pop song, thinking about some of the posts here, wondering how anybody could question why King Crimson could make songs like this, or 'Facts of Life', or 'Happy...', when he pipes up, "I don't think King Crimson should make songs you can sing along to." It took me a few seconds to recover and ask him, "Why do you say that?!", to which he replied, "I just like the songs about the design of music." So all you who think King Crimson has no business making songs "you can sing along to" now have my son in your corner. I still disagree with you and him, mind you, but I have a better appreciation of where you're coming from. Take Care, mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:31:26 -0500 From: "Walker Watson" Subject: King Crimson ticket Prices Would you guys stop comparing crimson to phish. These are two different bands that just happened tours around the same time. So what Crimson is a much better band than phish and in my opinion the ticket price was justified. It also kinda helps that i was in atlanta and only had to pay 25 bucks but I would have gladly payed up to 75 to see them. Walker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 18:04:42 -0700 From: Matt Sottile Subject: Cancelled Denver shows Has anyone heard whether or not SCI Ticketing, KC, or anyone plans to at least give refunds for the KC show that was cancelled at the Fillmore? Very disappointing to miss, although I wouldn't have been able to make it up anyways - that blizzard closed the road between me (northern New Mexico) and Denver. *sigh* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 17:46:20 -0800 From: 8-Stringer <8strngr at lusk3 dot net> Subject: SARS and KC Japan Tour Does anyone know if the KC tour of Japan has been impacted/cancelled/postponed by the 'severe acute respiratory syndrome'(SARS) situation? Regards, Billy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 19:16:38 +0100 From: Antonio_Cebola Subject: History For a little bit of history go to http://wnyc.org/music/articles/13077 Program n.o 852 and 862. and enjoy. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 21:08:50 -0700 (PDT) From: David Alston Subject: Interview/Touring If anybody hasn't listened to the Fripp interviews on the www.king-crimson.com website, they're definitely a hoot. One of them, maybe #6 or #7 features Fripp taking up the whole segment explaining why he doesn't like to sign autographs. We're all aware of this but to hear him explain it to a stupid reporter is quite entertaining. I recommend listening to all segments. Does anybody know if the Feb 28-Mar 30 is all Crimson is planning to do in terms of North American touring? I was very surprised to see them skip Dallas as it would have been a sellout. Crimson should have no problem selling out any city with more than 1 million inhabitants. Perhaps the brevity of the North American touring has to do with the lack of time each member has available to promote this record worldwide. ===== ~ ACCEPT NOTHING LESS THAN WHAT IS RIGHT ~ "Fear is a preparation for failure." -- unknown author "People who are unable to motivate themselves must be content with mediocrity, no matter how impressive their other talents." -- Andrew Carnegie "If we wish to know, breathe the air around someone who knows." -- Robert Fripp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 12:24:51 -0700 From: Matthew Sottile Subject: Re: Denver blizzard, SCI ticketing Funny you should send that message about the KC/SCI show in Denver. I also missed it and received the same content-free note from SCI ticketing. I followed it up after KC cancelled saying "OK - the band I *wanted* to see cancelled." -- with no response. Sigh. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 13:06:36 -0700 From: "Ellendea Thor" Subject: "Facts of Life", audience appreciation (Santa Rosa vs. SF), and poem Hi Folks. :::dips big toe into cyber waters::: This is my first post here, so please bear with me. I'll try not to break netiquette as I wipe off the Fripp vomit from my "I'm a friend of Bill B" T-Shirt. Lucky for me, I don't have a favorite KC line-up :-) So anyway, I was tickled to read here that Adrian quotes Lennon after performing "The Facts of Life". The first time I heard this song, I remarked to myself that Belew sounded a LOT like John and I wondered if it was on purpose. The song certainly has some Lennon-like qualities to it even outside of the vocals. If ghosts exist, then I think John was there. In other news, I was at the show in Santa Rosa and it was the most surreal concert experience I've ever had. Every single person remained seated throughout the entire performance and I counted 6 people actually moving around, ever so slightly, in their seats! How bizarre is that? I mean, I don't expect moshing, but these folks barely applauded (the couple next to me did not let their hands make a sound all night). I know it was a Thursday night. I know that lots of us are bummed about the war. I know that Fripp likes a well behaved audience, but I have never been to a show where the audience was so, dare I say, lazy. At one point, my husband shouted out, "woo-hoo!" after a song and he got some weird stares as if to say, "how dare you joyously exclaim your appreciation of a song at a rock concert". Weird, eh? I think that the band felt the lack of enthusiasm as well because I felt a strange vibe from them. Oh and the sound was pretty bad...way too loud and clipping. I'm a musician myself and can handle loud music, but this time I actually had to wear earplugs (a first for me). Before you flame me as not understanding KC, let me add that I was at the following night's show at the Warfield in SF and it was awesome. The audience was actually into the music and the sound was a lot better. The energy flowed from audience to band/ band to audience quite nicely. I left the venue feel well satiated, unlike the night before (whose weirdness I blame on the audience, not the band). I love the new album, it just might be my favorite KC release to date, and am grateful to have been given the opportunity to see this tour. I hope that there are more shows in the future and that audiences then realize, encourage, and not take for granted, the brilliance that is before them. Namaste, Ellendea Thor "Riding the notes on a San Frankcisco evening" by Ellendea Thor (after seeing KC on their CoL tour) Dancing in 7/8 time, I hopped on a note, held tight for life, and kcoursed through the sonic wild tamed only by choice. Fractured, with scar tissue. Entranced beyond a state of mind, I fell between grooves, slid through all kcracks, and let myself become a layer of some constant voice. Fractured, I'm stronger for it. Captured, to break again. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 17:09:54 -0400 From: "josh chasin" Subject: Selling Music By the Pound For the love of all that is good and decent, enough already about concert ticket prices. You don't buy music by the bushel, the pound, the hour, the note. They (whoever "they" is) charge what they charge, play where they want to play. If you want to buy a ticket, you do. If you think it isn't worth the money (as I did this past January, with the Stones at the garden at $300 a throw) you don't. If the band isn't selling their tickets, they cancel shows (as Paul Weller had to do here in the states) or lower prices. If they sell out, obviously the price is "worth it." Supply and demand and all that. Please, and I direct this at no one in particular, refrain from whining about the justification for concert ticket prices until you have taken a basic economics course. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 10:03:57 +1000 From: "prof. Dawid" Subject: Ticket prices in OZ Hi I've been reading quite a lot about ticket pricing in the US and I think I have to tell you about Santana's concert which I attended a week ago. It was outdoor, in the park and you could watch the entire concert from behind the fence. What is more, they provided 4 big screens for you to see better. There were approx. 18,000 people. The show was excellent and lasted for 160 minutes! Photography was allowed. The set consisted of songs from the last two commercial LPs as well as the old stuff from the '70s. You wonder how much I paid? Well, AUD$146.50 which is roughly US$70. I don't complain. Never do... Dave PS. The Yes show in September costs the same. -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 10:29:28 +1000 From: "Polli, Brian" Subject: King Crimson Newsgroup Hi Everyone, Is there a King Crimson Usenet User group? I've looked for one without success... If there isn't one, perhaps it's time there is... Cheers! Brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 21:50:44 -0500 From: Craig Subject: Re: that new David Sylvian and Derek Bailey release >David Sylvian and Derek Bailey got together in February and improvised three >pieces of music which make up the bulk of Sylvian's upcoming release, >"Blemish"...due in April. Of a marginal connection to KC, but thanks......... that`s strange news. Bailey w/ Ruins (kinda makes sense),..... but Sylvian? Good grief! I`m a bit behind, & have yet to hear "Camphor". Do I need it? 8^D ~C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 21:44:57 -0500 From: Craig Subject: Re: Mike Giles drums on the incredible "Confessions of Dr. Dream" >>You may wish to check out Kevin Ayers-"Yes, We Have No Mananas". >MG plays drums on all tracks. >Not on the copy I have he doesn't. Perhaps on another Ayers LP he does, but >not this one. Thanks for the correction. (I was working from memory,... should`ve checked). I meant "Confessions of Dr. Dream", (which is, BTW, infinitely better). *Awesome* record! Kevin & Nico share vocals on the (nearly) side long title track. M.Giles plays drums on all tracks. ~C ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 02:11:39 EDT From: Jjvince1 at aol dot com Subject: park west the saturday nite show at park west was incredible the absolute greatest show i have ever seen, and i have seen everyone. i am a 20 yr krim fan and this was the first time i ever had the chance to see them .drove from stl mo to chi had a great time st pats day weekend and the person that said the park west crowd was rude was probably some boring old suit and tie guy the crowd was enthusiastic and excited to see kc back in the us please come back robert for a longer tour of the states this time and does anyone have the song list for the second park west show sat nite ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:23:58 -0800 From: "Eric Heinitz" Subject: GIG REVIEW: SF 3/28/03 Anti-war demonstrators, a three-block long procession of principled bicyclists, and the orange glow of the Market Streetlamps greeted me as I escalated up to street level from the BART subway. I got my forty dollar tour box at the schwag stand and went up to the balcony to see where my twenty-five dollar plus five dollar and eighty cent inconvenience fee seat was. Dead center, seventh row up. Not bad. Out to the second floor lobby bar for a pale ale and to watch the crowd. I talked to a couple of Tool converts and ogled t-shirts amid the bordello-like splendor of this former movie palace which opened in 1922. I even saw a Yes Fragile shirt! When I say bordello, I mean that in a nice way. I don't know enough architecture to call it art deco or art nouveau, but it is splendorous to be sure. Fripp came on stage with the house lights still on and Soundscaped for ten minutes to the delight and relatively silent joy of most everyone. Then the lights dimmed and The Show Proper began. This band rocked. I don't mean in general but specifically. The August 2001 show with Tool in Berkeley was nicely grinding but spacey, the November 2001 Level Five show I saw seemed to be more of a chore for the band than a joy. But Friday was a rock band rocking hard yet seemingly effortlessly. Admittedly, I was too far away to see sweat quantities, but I saw no trace of whatever illness had sidelined Adrian a few weeks ago, nor body language battles between bandmates about who wanted to go where. Nor did I see any camera flashes, laser pointers, or beach balls, and smelled just the bare minimum of weed smoke--it IS Northern California after all--and heard no audience buffoonery but a barely audible "Cat Food." "Eyes Wide Open" seemed to be the bathroom song, for what that is worth, but from my perch the audience was either spellbound, raising happy fists of joy, or roaring at the appropriate roaring times. Adrian smiled a lot. Robert left his murky stool and applauded the audience at the end--after 4 encores by my count. On the Tour Box CD Robert says that this is a live band. While I thought the Level Five CD was better than that show I saw, Friday's San Francisco thrillfest left the Happy To Be Happy CD in the dust. There's your unscientific gig review from someone who saw 3 1981 shows, a 1982, a 1984, 2 1995's, a 1996 (Berkeley, with Schizoid), two different ProjeKCts, and the aforementioned 2001 Tool and Level Five King Crimson concerts; and to quote that Nazi chick in Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade, I was "giddy as a schoolgirl." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:58:33 -0800 From: "Joseph A. DeGregorio" Subject: GIG REVIEW: Portland, OR Roseland Theatre March 25 This is my first post to your most enjoyable newsletter. I have learned a great deal about other related bands and am particularly gratified to have found other lovers of the music of KC. The Roseland Theatre is a small venue which can barely hold 1,000 people. As a result the concert was conducted in a warm and relaxed atmosphere. I was seated in the balcony close to the stage with my wife, whose musical tastes range from world to traditional country and western(!!!). Although KC's music is most definitely out of her experience, by the end of the show she was whistling, standing and yelling. My my. What a concert!! I had seen Crimson when I lived in New York at the Savoy, Pier 84, the Beacon Theatre and Stony Brook University, all during their Discipline, Beat and TOAPP phase and have followed them since 1972. But none of this prepared me for this fantastic show. Words fail me though I am considered an articulate person, but all I can say is that as soon as the band launched into Level Five, I was floored, in a trance. I could do little but move my feet to the beat and follow the oft-changing rhythmic patterns that are of course found in most of the songs/pieces. The show started with TPTB Part 1, and there were technical problems. Adrian's voice echoed too much as he sang "She carries me...", and he had to stop, and with a look of mild frustration, made some adjustments on a pad to his right and finished singing the "haiku." There were still audio problems with his vocals but he let it go, and they moved right into Level Five. The awesome power of the song could be heard cleanly and distortion-free through the PA system. Indeed every little nuance and banging from Pat was clear and resonant. I sat in direct view to Robert who played the Mach 1 lead in "Facts of Life" as if he were focusing on something entirely different during the solo. So effortless was his playing that he barely moved and he rarely looked down at the strings to see what he was doing. If was almost as if he was exercising a forced restraint, compelling himself to show no outward sign of emotion. His playing throughout the show was, of course, breathtaking. One of the highlights of the show for me was The Power to Believe-Part 2. It was so beautiful, something akin to a profound religious awakening. I was deeply moved; the band played with such a dedication and a love for the music, and yet with a lightness and a learned self-confidence. Other songs played were Happy, TCOL, Elektrik, Eyes Wide Open (slightly different from the album where Pat hit the snare right on the downbeat instead of the off-beat), Dinosaur, Dangerous Curves and so on. Adrian, surprisingly had virtually no conversation with the audience, except when he said, "Good evening. I'm Robert Fripp and that (pointing to Robert) is Brian Eno." The band took several bows at the end, did two encores and seemed to genuinely appreciate the audiences' exuberance. I waved at Pat (who waved back) and gave a thumbs up to Robert, who gave it right back. What else is there to say? A great disc, a fantastic concert. I have every KC record, vinyl and otherwise. In my life I've been to literally hundreds of concerts and can confidently state that this is one of the best show I've ever been to in my 43 years. Take care, Joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 13:21:11 +0100 From: "Russell Whitworth" Subject: GIG REVIEW: Bill Bruford's Earthworks at Ronnie Scott's, April 5 If I've counted correctly, this is my 9th Earthworks gig - and the most enjoyable yet. The atmosphere in Ronnie Scott's is something special, with all those black & white photographs of jazz legends - Ellington, Davis, Mingus, etc. It's not just fashionable interior decorating... they've all played there. Bill Bruford clearly appreciates the historical aspect, too - in one of his chats to the audience he claimed to have learnt jazz "slumped somewhere at the back" of Ronnie Scott's. The audience is also very close to the stage here, in true jazz club style with tables in a semicircle around the front. The sound is superb; well balanced and easy to listen to. Comfortable volume. All of which helps communication in both directions - the audience can hear and see every detail the performance, and the perfomers benefit from an enthusiastic audience response. Sheena Davis came on first at around 10 pm. Excellent vocal jazz, mostly classics ranging from the 30s to the 70s. The music is not really the sort of thing I would go out and buy, but her voice is superb as are her backing musicians, and I enjoyed the performance. Enthusiastic audience, and she clearly had her own supporters in attendance. A good choice of warm-up. Bill came on at about 11:30, opening with "Revel without a Pause". The new boy in the band - Tim Garland - has actually been with them for 18 months now, and has really made the Earthworks repertoire his own. To my ear his timing is more fluid and flowing with looser timing than Patrick Clahar, which I find more interesting to listen to. He also has a rather stronger stage presence - perhaps heightened by the atmosphere of Ronnie Scott's. Tim now seems to have taken over most of the writing from Bill, and we heard a couple of new pieces (actually not that new - one has been in the set for a year, to my knowledge). He's a bit of a multi-instrumentalist, and we got to hear saxophone, tenor sax, bass clarinet (excellent fun!), flute, and a little bit of percussion. Not only that, but there was some use of electronic effects (what? Bill is allowing electronics again), producing a cool chordal flute sound. He also got to do one of the announcements... which I took as a sign of trust in the new front-man! Tim's solo towards the end of "Come To Dust" was outstanding - I would really like to hear that again - and got the best applause of the set. "The Wooden Man Sings and the Stone Woman Dances" also had some excellent solos. Bill was doing his thing, of course, on his now familiar trimmed-down acoustic kit. Flawless, and fascinating to watch. Not too many drum solos these days - but there were two beauties in there. A new piece in 11 (working title: "White Knuckle Wedding") starts and finishes using the wood-block percussion instrument - reminiscent of The Sheltering Sky. Mark Hodgson's bass was supportive as ever, and it was nice to be able to hear him clearly for a change. Steve Hamilton's piano seemed less involving than usual, perhaps because he was over the far side of the stage from me, and also the pieces in the first set didn't really highlight his work. Perhaps he got to shine a bit more in the second set. The set finished with a quick blast of "Beelzebub" - good to hear that one back in the repertoire. It was almost 1 a.m. by the end of Bill's first set, and we decided to leave as Sheena Davis came back on stage. I would have loved to stay for the second set, but I'm afraid there are limits as to how late us middle-aged folk are able to stay out on a Saturday night! Conclusion: Tim Garland has brought a new dynamic to Earthworks, and they are really well worth seeing at the moment. I hope they manage to capture the atmosphere on CD in the not too distant future. ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1114 *********************************