Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1105 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1105 Tuesday, 18 March 2003 Today's Topics: KC Live Video/DVD...tangent on the new music Belew on Jambase.com Fripp & Satriani the importance of being there TPTB_/_larks_infinity Eyes Wide Open KC-drummers & poll Win a Copy of A Musical Guide to Larks' Tongues in Aspic Re: The Tour The Power To Believe and Producer The Neglected Deception THRaKaTTaK and Level 5 Make art not litanies Bill rejoins KC?!? Re: Free Bird!; Setlist from 3/8??? Performance of P3 on 3/3/3 TPTB Part II = Virtuous Circle, END OF STORY. Rich Hovis' KCat Re: The Power to Believe GIG REVIEW: KC Quebec City GIG REVIEW: Toronto through childrens eyes ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:38:19 -0500 From: "Jordan Clifford" Subject: KC Live Video/DVD...tangent on the new music At some point we were talking about the possibility of the 2 Live KC videos from 82 and 84 being released as one amazing DVD... Any word about when or if this is actually happening? I'm dying to see them, but I won't order the videos if they are coming to DVD (if they are even available on video anymore). Is there an official release date, or any news about the progress of this project?? Also, any word about a live DVD from this tour or the 2001 tour? or any other tour for that matter!!! I've become very into the new music, listening to everything I have from 2001-2003... Live in Nashville, Level Five Tour EP, TPTB(except i have a strong distaste for "The Facts Of Life"), HWWYHTBHW (not as much), and the Dangerous Curves bootleg that I have which I told the list about a long time ago.. Did anyone download this bootleg and listen to it. Listening to it now after hearing the new material is amazing. It's an absolutely remarkable look at KC developing newly created songs live on the tour.. longer, instrumental versions of songs like Potato Pie, Elektrik, HWWYHTBHW, Power To Believe 2 (which used to be called Virtuous Circle if I remember correctly from Level Five.. which i also thought was an improv on the tour, and a highpoint on this new tour), and many others... also other songs that, unless I'm mistaken, have not been developed further like Response to Stimuli and Return to Stimuli. Maybe they became other songs that I'm less familar with, but the only lyrics to those 2 songs were their respective titles being repeated as a chorus. The new band is quite good, and I want to balance out what I was saying about them getting repetative and reusing all the old ideas. I still think they are, but I love what they are doing now anyway. I also forgot to mention the influence of "Red" on all the new songs, which was really an influence on THRAK in the first place.. but anyway, the point is I can't stop listening to the new stuff. Each release has such a wealth of interesting music and detail for the listener(despite all the songs starting to sound alike, and some being too similiar to older songs, or reworkings of songs from THRAK and TCOL in some respect). One of my favorite things is the opening of Level Five Tour EP where they use Adrien saying "Can you turn the lights down please? In fact, why don't you turn them off. Then you can really see how mean we can play" (something like that?) and repeat it over in a very menacing way for Dangerous Curves, a very menacing song. It's truly unique. I also love the opening of the new album.. it REALLY draws me deeper and closer into the music. its beautiful.. she carries me through days of apathy she washes over me she saved my life in a manner of speaking when she gave me back the power to believe its great. Favorites from the new/newer material: Power To Believe 1:A Cappella, Dangerous Curves (all versions), Level Five, Power To Believe Part 2, Deception of the Thrush, Elektrik (love the opening, getting more into the rest of it), while I really like Facts of Life: Intro I really don't like the actual song, Power to Believe 2/Virtuous Circle.. Yes, I liked HWWYHTBHW the song when I first heard it, and sometimes it gets in my head, but it just doesnt stand up that well for me against the better KC or Ade material. Potato Pie as well, even though I dig the original lyric-less version "Crimson Blue" a lot, but I do like them both. And I'm finding a new appreciation for the 6 minutes of instrumental music before the lyrical part of tCoL starts. It's really great. I still don't like the lyrics very much, but whatever. I'm just thankful that KC is still making music and performing. Maybe I've worn out all the 70's material I have and now need to focus on something new(not possible, come to think of it), but I'm getting myself more into everything from Absent Lovers - Power To Believe (yet, I'm saying this as I finish the whole Red album...). I hope there is a really cool Live release for the new tour. I'm finding myself close to buying just about every KCCC Release I don't already have... it's sick. Later you might find me complaining again about the new group, and getting into all their faults about what they are doing and not doing and how the band is ripping itself off, or repeating themes and structures too much and resusing ideas and being repetative and staying with this same industrial freakout apocalypitc style of dark nerve racking 'nuovo' metal, but right now im reveling in it. oh and not that it's really a big issue or topic for people as far as I know, but I've read complaints of the new album just being a repeat of the EP... I wasn't a fan at the time, but did people complain about VROOOM after THRAK came out? or the otherway around? that's what THRAK is.. the same songs as VROOOM, just a little different with some extra new songs (THRAK has more songs than TPTB, but they are also shorter). Just curious. Jordan, a KC fan for better or for worse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:34:56 +0000 From: "Matt D" Subject: Belew on Jambase.com There is an interesting interview with Belew on Jambase.com. Belew speaks about his views on the jam scene, a future album with Danny Carey and Les Claypool, and more. For those who have never been to this website, it is a hub for all types of music that fall under the 'jam' category (whatever 'jam' means). It is a great place to find out about some of the better improvisational live bands in the country, and where they are playing. Here is the link. http://www.jambase.com/headsup.asp?storyID=3581 Matt Deibert www.spacestationintegration.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:39:12 -0500 From: Joan Bull Subject: Fripp & Satriani >From the August, 2002 issue of Guitar Player: Joe Satriani: Strangely Beautiful: ... And yet, in an ironic twist that would probably delight Hendrix, it's Satriani's stirring rendition of the 1959 jukebox classic "Sleepwalk" that most embodies the album's title. ... ... But while the notes were correct, Satriani felt something was missing. "It was beautiful," he says, "but it didn't sound strange. I found myself asking, 'Where's the weird part?'" That's when an old friend came into the mix. "Robert Fripp was in town with King Crimson, so I invited him over," says Satriani. "He put down five tracks of sustained notes in his Frippertronics, soundscape kind of vein. Then I panned his parts left to right, and we were totally amazed. Suddenly 'Sleepwalk' had the atmosphere it needed - and he had just winged it." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:25:39 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Miller Subject: the importance of being there Are any of the new releases available on vinyl? Are they ever gonna be? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:38:11 +0100 From: "dok" Subject: TPTB_/_larks_infinity hi everybody, first post but reading for years (well humm 8 months actually). about TPTB, which is indeed a title for a celine dion album, am i the only one thinking that "facts of life" and "happy with..." shoud have never been composed by a band like KC ? i mean the album contains great moments (especially dangerous curves, that of course reminds me Mars) but these 2 tracks are spoiling the album : it's just 2 basic metal tracks without any great interest (except the sailor's tale style at the end of F.O.L). i find it a bit sad from this band whereas this album could have been a great record ! i often read this album's the best since _ _ _ _ (insert the album name you want), but what about thrak ?? isn't it a great album ? come on, it's awesome and "one time" is fat better than than "eyes wide open". finally, larks' tongues in aspic : obviously level 5, is larks' V, elektrik is fracktured 2, but if we remind that fracktured was at first named larks' V, it means we're at larks'8. Time to change no ? The end of this circle must be near. cordialement, seb np : b'boom (argentina) ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:00:05 -0500 From: Dan Gallagher Subject: Eyes Wide Open I make no secret of the fact that "Eyes Wide Open" is far and away my favorite track from TPTB. But what could have suggested the title? Devotees of the Avatar Meher Baba (of Poona, India) know that he attained Enlightenment at the age of 19, but the experience was no trip to Disneyland. According to what Babar himself has written, he lay in bed for three days, "eyes wide open", staring at nothing. He was thought to be seriously ill. And when he did begin to regain the physical, "sex-sleep-eat-drink-dream" consciousness, he would often pound his head against the walls and windows, even to the point of cracking them. --sassure (a.k.a. Dan Gallagher) http://sassure1.tripod.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:15:12 +0100 From: "lichtafee" Subject: KC-drummers & poll Hello! I recognized another discussion about KC-drummers popping up in ET, so I thought of contributing. I always loved Micheal Giles for his raw sound and style. On the early KC-records he maybe sometimes played a little bit "unprecise" and some of his grooves and fills rolled on with certain edges, but exactly these individual variations in microtime surely contributed immensely to his individual sound. And I always adored him for his almost melodical drum-arrangements (especially in softer moments, when he plays his characteristical cymbal-figures). But when he starts playing jazzy (with G,G&F), it is easily audible that he's at first a rockdrummer. But anyway: ahead of his time of course (just like other KC-drummers). (Unfortunately I don't know anything he recorded after 1970!) Regarding Andy McCulloch, I always wondered about some ETers moaning about his playing. On "Lizard" he doesn't play as colourful as other KC-drummers, but I always wondered where this guy gets those beautiful rhythmic ideas from he executes for example in "Circus". His playing around the beat sounds so easy and natural to me that I couldn't believe he felt uneasy playing this stuff (didn't he quit for that reason?). Considering his soft touch and wonderful laidback style I always thought of him as a drummer with a jazz-sensibility (I remember an ET-reader complaining about one stereotyped fill of his: open snare-roll and (slightly delayed) soft crash - wooosh! I LOVE those). All this sounds like a very original and sensitive approach to me, and in rock-drumming I never heard anything like that again! And I think the very special band-sound on "Lizard" owes a lot to McCulloch. Ian Wallace always seemed to be some sort of opposite to McCulloch - pretty heavy in sound (the monolithic live-versions of "Circus" he plays on - compared to the studioversion - might be a good indication for the difference between the two drummers). And together with Mel Collins he often pushed KC into areas of energy-playing related to free jazz, and I always loved that freewheeling side of his playing. But on the several jams of the 71/72-line-up, he often had a funky groove-attidude but actually didn't groove very much, I would say. Jamie Muir's rockgroove-contributions sound (and on video also look) a bit stiff I think, but his characteristical side anyway is his texture- and energy-orientated approach, and to incorporate his free jazz/free improvisation-elements into the KC-sound was a fantastic idea. In this context, his playing of course sounds very exotic and highly original, but put back into the free jazz context he evolved from - this soundorientated approach is more or less commonground for players like Han Bennink, Paul Lovens, Tony Oxley and many others. So here, Muir is one among several - but he played in a rockband, and that's the big difference to the others. How I love his contributions to LTIA, but in the context of his improvising ensembles, his contributions had more weight and structural relevance than in KC. I always loved Bill Bruford, he was my big hero for a long time, but (to refer to the recent discussion wether he could keep time or not) his playfulness sometimes disturbs the music when he looses the metrical context - indeed a lot of rhythmic tension disappears then for some moments. So he had a pretty bold (and sympathetic to me) approach in the seventies with a fantastic sense for athmosphere of percussive textures and for turning odd meters upside down - for a long time I swallowed every beat of him (also the misplaced ones, who cares?). But in my ears his playing later lost some edgy qualities, and nowadays a lot of his playing seems to be very technical-orientated. I often think it sounds more like placing into the music some elements he practised than instantly creating music - might sound a bit provoking now but I sometimes thought of "insurance business in progressive rock-drumming" when listening to some of Bruford's later contributions ;o) And when examining some of his own and RF's verbal statements, again one gets the impression that he was more interested in presenting his "rhythmic inventions" than in the music actually happening around those. So he carries on successfully with his own band & music and everything is fine. Pat Mastelotto is a mystery to me as I do not understand all this drum-triggering, and I simply can't tell what he actually plays, what comes out of his digital machinery and how this is controlled (the same in some places with Belew in P2 - what a nice surprise!). I never cared a lot for drum'n'bass (except for Derek Bailey's attempt into this style) or related music, but Mastelotto's contributions to the several ProjeKcts sound very adventurous to me. On the other hand I condemned his playing on the "Heavy ConstruKction"-box, which often sounds incredibly stiff in my ears (how happy I was to see some later photos, that show him again with some real cymbals and acoustic drums next to his machinery). Good to know that he's in the current KC :o) So - to sum it up - the most interesting (and that doesn't automatically mean: "best") KC-drummers in my opinion are McCulloch and Mastelotto, as they both had/have elements that are still pretty strange (and that often does automatically mean: interesting) to me. But if I would vote any rock drummer in a drummer's poll, I'd probably get into Zappa's or Beefheart's camp: I still think Vinnie Colaiuta's free polyrhythmic contributions for example to the 3 acts of "Joe's Garage" are unbelieveable (what does Zappa say inbetween? - "I'm suffering with the click track right now" :o) Or just listen to his intense drumming on top of the 19/16-bassfigure in "Keep it greasy"!) And the way John French gets everything he played in 1969/70 sounding so chaotically fucked up opened up new areas for rock drumming and band-structure, unfortunately nobody delved into later (except for Beefheart's later copycat-drummers and bands). But opening it up stilistically, my favorite surely would be improvising master-drummer Tony Oxley - wonderful sound-poetry (with industrial touch) grown during the last 35 years. Just listen to his ear-flattening playing with Cecil Taylor! Greetings, Joerg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:42:40 -0000 From: "Darren" Subject: Win a Copy of A Musical Guide to Larks' Tongues in Aspic For those of you who aren't in the know, KC musicologist extraordinaire, Andrew Keeling and Mark Graham of Spacward Graphics have produced an excellent multimedia guide to the King Crimson classic "Larks' Tongues in Aspic". You can get more details here: http://www.larkstonguesinaspic.ukf.net Anyway, on the FraKctured site, we've got a copy of this excellent interactive musical guide to give away in our very first competition. Just head on over to http://www.frakctured.net and register for our messageboard to get access to the question. If you get it right and are randomly chosen, you could be the winner of this fantastic prize. Thanks for reading this and good luck! Darren FraKctured - A King Crimson Discussion Group www.frakctured.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:47:36 -0500 From: "Jack Bross" Subject: Re: The Tour Jeffrey Breis said: >Remember folks, on this tour, as on others, Robert Fripp will probably >not be jumping around or screaming out "WHO WANTS TO ROCK?". Although actually in Atlanta he quietly announced "I am ready to rock out now" before blasting into Happy at full tilt boogie. Also, he did skip/prance across the stage during the encores (imagine a Christmas elf wired on too many eggnog lattes trying to dance the hora at Blitzen's bar mitzvah...). RF may be looser and more relaxed than you think... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:53:40 -0500 From: "Ernest & Amy Scribner" Subject: The Power To Believe and Producer The new KC is fantastic!; much better than...what was it called? I like the Aphex Twin stuff in "Level Five". And "PtB II" is beautiful--it touches deep places... Mastelotto is the menace! He blows me away! As a drummer growing up in awe of Bruford, Mastelotto's playing continues the tradition: it is a true joy to listen to; reminiscent, yet new. Machine did a good production job. Who is this Machine guy? Anyone know who else he has worked with? Ernest (a bespeckled white male in early thirties) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:05:39 -0800 (PST) From: rone at ennui dot org (circadian rhyme) Subject: The Neglected Deception > From: "Cameron Devlin" > > HOWEVER, my only real complaint with it is that they put Deception > of the Thrush on (as Power To Beleve Part 3) and DIDN'T include the > soaring Gunn solo?! What were you thinking?! As a ending to an album > (even with the little final coda) that would have been BEAUTIFUL. Of > all the parts of that song to have, the cacophanous bit at the > beginning isn't the one. :( My sentiments exactly. However, i will note that none of the recorded versions of TDOTT that i own convey half of the beauty of the performances that i saw live. rone -- "Alan Alda's all we are." - Kurt Cobain ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:47:32 +0100 From: Laurent Masse Subject: THRaKaTTaK and Level 5 >Some >of the songs have their beginnings on the Nashville rehearsals CD ( Too Many >eeeee's being the most notable) It's clear that Too Many eeee's is a first run through of the middle section of Level 5. But returning to VROOOM VROOOM Mexico the other day, I was struck by the similarity between the ascending Fripp line at the beginning of "Biker Babes Of The Rio Grande / Fearless And Highly Thrakked" and that Too Many eeee's / Level 5 thing. The same motif may appear elsewhere on THRaKaTTaK, but this is too tedious a lsiten for myself to check. However the basic idea may date back to 1995. Laurent Masse Universite Bordeaux 1 Departement Geologie et Oceanographie UMR CNRS 5805 EPOC "Environnements et Paleoenvironnements Oceaniques" Tel: 05 56 84 28 24 Fax: 05 56 84 08 48 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:49:52 +0100 From: "Mats Carlsson" Subject: Make art not litanies Make art not litanies Have been listening on KC thirty years but since living in Sweden I never got the opportunity to see them live (and I probably won't in the future). I never really bothered about the past of the band; the break-up in -74 only puzzled me. After the Beat album in -82 they faded away like most music to me and I got other priorities in life. Just by chance in 2000 I happened to hear something familiar on my pc. For some obscure reason my daughter had been looking thru my vinyl's and searched for some of the band names and obviously she found this. A recognisable bell hit me like thunder. It turned out be a piece called FraKcutered. She hated it of course but I started to find out weather this was KC and yes, it was. After that I bought TCOL, THRAK and, so help me God, downloaded some live stuff from the seventies that I was denied at the time. My USA recording on vinyl is awful. I slowly also caught up what Fripp been doing in the meantime, read some articles on internet and finally bought the very informative but extraordinary boring book by Sid Smith. Ok, I new from the seventies that this Fripp guy never was easy. If you stick to your vision 100% you will always get in trouble with the commercial industry. Imagine Stanley Kubrick keeping a deadline (or budget) to satisfy Hollywood. Much of the best art in history is produced by people faithful to their ideals. You don't have to like them just enjoy their art and thank God that some people are blessed with the gift to make the life for the rest of the human race endurable. Well last year I finally bought The Great Deceiver, Epitaph, Nightwatch and the dvd Deja Vroom. The music was of course outstanding. I never bothered reading all the text up till recently and when I did it was a strange almost surrealistic feeling. How can one produce such outstanding music together with an excellent band and spend so many words explaining how awful it was most of the time (and continue in press-conferences about TPTB). Except for a few positive sentences it's a puzzle that he could spend time with the guys in the incarnations of the seventies. You can't read anything about the making of the music, an anecdote from the studio, who came up with a certain passage, telling about the encouragement he gave the band the support he got back. They were drug addicts, competing about the space or playing as loud as possible or preferred fame and glory or whatever. Fripp continues telling that he isn't/wasn't in charge of the band then he's spending pages telling exactly that but not in direct way. Many bands have leaders so what's the big deal. The members of the band are still you work mates and brothers in art. Treat them gently. Finally, is it necessary to have this depressing attitude to produce great art? Why fill these excellent pieces of work with the haunted history of Fripp. I don't know him and as I said earlier I forgive everything as long as he and KC keeps on making rock music like The Power To Believe but not many people get the possibility to be published in public, so when you finally have that chance it's a privilege you should handle with care. Is it relevant to the public that buys the records reading how awful it was in the band, all these mean commentaries about the people around Fripp, some philosophic stuff about music and art in general but nothing about the production of the record you're holding in your hand? Such a contradiction! I hope that mr. Fripp and his band mates will continue doing great music in the future and I dream of the day I read an article that says that Robert Fripp is very satisfied with the atmosphere in the band and the struggle for new musical boundaries doesn't mean that he can't enjoy the present and about past he admits that the bad vibes that occurred wasn't fully the production of others. Mats Kcarlsson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:17:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert J. Fries" Subject: Bill rejoins KC?!? In ET1099, "Cheryl Thorpe" wrote: > for Pat, Adrian was in the way visually as I was standing at the edge of the > stage in front of Ade, so I did not focus on him much. Darn, I had to focus > on Adrian, Bill, and Trey! Whew! What an honor. I think you mean Adrian, Robert, and Trey. You have to admit though, I had everyone going with the subject line, huh? :aD - Robert Fries rjf at glue dot umd dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:40:34 -0500 From: David Vella Subject: Re: Free Bird!; Setlist from 3/8??? Eletalkers, In ET #1103, Jordan Clifford aired some welcome venting about people shouting out at concerts: >>Especially when that asshole yells "Freebird!" >or some unwanted, loud whispers are heard during the quiet parts of Thrush > It never fails.. ever. Except maybe in the case of that one DC show some > one was talking about. They always have to do it.. they should know KC > doesn't play requests. Strangely enough, after the shouting for "Freebird" > and "Epitaph" and "Schizoid Man" and what not, someone yelled out "PROZAC > BLUES!!" and then they played it. That happened at the Boston show on March 8, too. Do you think it was staged? > I'm guessing either it was on the set list... Yes, I believe it was. > What gets me about people who yell out that crap, especially Freebird, is > that there are always a few people who laugh at it. .. > But there were people laughing at that guy like "hahahah oh > my god, freebird? thats hilarious! kc would never play freebird, but how > witty of him to suggest it! hahaha good one!". Have you guys ever been to a > concert before or what? I couldn't agree more. Any shouting is most unwelcome. But here's a thought - are you sure the offenders are not shouting "Free AS A Bird", the John Lennon song that Adrian has been known to cover? In fact, on the last tour, I saw KCrimson also at the Orpheum in Boston exactly 15 months prior to this show. That would put it on December 8, 2001, the anniversary of Lennon's murder. It was also a great show, but I always felt a little disappointed that the band, especially Adrian, let that date pass without playing Free as a Bird. What a missed opportunity. The Orpheum show this past Saturday was in many ways even better than the one from 2001 (better sonics, less rude shouting, slightly longer in duration, I even had better seats.) But I broke a long habit of attending shows with a pencil and paper to write down the set list, and my memory just isn't... what was I talking about? Oh, yeah! What I'd really like is an accurate setlist from the Boston show on March 8. Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance, David Vella PS. To Adrian (& Robert & Pat & Trey), I know you guys are busy before a show and have a lot to think about, so could you just check with me before each show so we can go over your setlists? That way you won't have to worry about mistakes and omissions like Free Bird, excuse me, I mean Free As a Bird, in the future. OK? Leave the worrying to me. I think there is room for a "Setlist Checker" in your organization, don't you? I mean, it's not like I would be getting a percentage of your CD sales or anything. My salary would just come from a cut of the take at the door. In the old days, I'd have done it pro bono, but with modern day realities like $40 TOUR BOX CDS (ouch!) at the merch tables, I feel like I have to ask for some small pittance for my services in order to survive .... Anyway, thanks for one of the greatest shows in my life on Saturday, the omission of Free Bird notwithstanding. PPS. How would you fill in the end of this sentence: The Power to Believe is my favorite KC album since.....? I've heard several answers. I'm trying to make up my mind if my own answer would be Discipline or Red. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:04:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert J. Fries" Subject: Performance of P3 on 3/3/3 The scoop on P3 3/3/3: > >>The Birchmere gig of 3rd March inc Q & A session and Fracture, > >>sounds like a natural for a KCCC release I second the motion! > > Did you say Fracture? Intro: Near the end of the Q&A, an audience member basically asked RF to play FraKctured. RF replied in saying that one of the reasons they didn't play it was because it is a horribly difficult song to play, and that it was there to keep him from falling asleep on stage. :a) So, RF picked up his guitar to much applause and started to play...But a few bars into he realized his mistake, stopped, and said, "Notice I'm actually playing two songs at once here: I'm playing the notes from FraKctured with the changes from Fracture." (laughter) He started over and began to do one of the fast parts from FraKctured. When it came time for the rhythm section to do its accents on whatever beats, PM clapped (which I personally thought was pretty funny). PM and TG then proceeded to slap their knees when they needed to play. Before RF got to the really shredding part, he stopped and said, "I want more money for more." (Much laughter and applause) > Anyone go to this show and could review it? Shameless Self-Promotion: I'm slowly writing one and putting it up piece by piece on my (over-modest) website. I actually took a few notes during the show, originally intended to be a setlist, but since most of the night was improvised, it just kind developed into whatever, so that's something. http://www.glue.umd.edu/~rjf/ - Robert Fries rjf at glue dot umd dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:43:19 -0500 From: "Ryan Tassone" Subject: TPTB Part II = Virtuous Circle, END OF STORY. Am I the only one who sees that Virtuous Circle INCLUDES ShoGaNai and the soundscape from Bringing Down the Light? Everybody keeps saying, "The Power To Believe Part II is a combination of Virtuous Circle, ShoGaNai, and a soundscape from..." All of those themes are already IN Virtuous Circle, just listen to the damn thing on the L5 EP! There is practically no difference between Virtuous Circle in its entirety and The Power To Believe Part II, other than the voice from Part I coming in, and a few minor rhythm changes. So TBTB II should NOT be listed as: The Power to Believe II (including Virtuous Circle and ShoGaNai) Because Virtuous Circle already includes ShoGaNai! And for that matter, The Power to Believe III doesn't "include" Deception of the Thrush," it's the same freaking song with a different title...and no solo at the end, sadly. Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:34:29 -0500 From: David Vella Subject: Rich Hovis' KCat >From ET #1104: (about playing Lizard at full volume) > The family cat woke up, became quite agitated and > even left the room--unusual, because it only moves under the stimulus of > food, in vectors connecting its chair, cat dish, and the back door. She > seemed to hate it--yeah, its a female cat--although a simple aversion to Jon > Anderson cannot be ruled out. > About a year later I got Level 5 at a local KC appearance. So the cat > and I settled in again and . . .nothing. Not even a tail twitch or dirty > look. The question then became, aAre these guys losina it, or is the cat > just getting old?a > Now Iave got the new one, and this time the cat actually puked! Ha Ha! We have a new standard in excellence folks: "It was so good my cat puked!" > And she never does that. So now the question is, aAre these guys back, > better than ever, or is my cat just sick?a Here's an answer and another question for you: A. Yes, these guys ARE back, better than ever! Q. So, have you ever played ITWOP for your cat? What does she think of 'Cat Food'? -David Vella -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:00:23 -0800 From: "Andy Gower" Subject: Re: The Power to Believe >From: MichaelWBrownSr at aol dot com >Subject: The Power to Believe > >I have not heard the new CD but a friend says it's "Red meets Discipline". > >Is that a fair Assessment? I guess you could say that. It has the power of "Red" & the interlocking guitar lines/technological whiz-bangs of "Discipline". But then again, when I listen to the album, I only hear "The Power To Believe". I think this album is pretty distinctive on it's own. The only comparing I was doing in my mind, was comparing the versions here to the versions I heard on the various previous releases like live Nashville & Level 5. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 23:01:18 -0500 From: Michel Drolet Subject: GIG REVIEW: KC Quebec City Hello all, I'm back from the show in Quebec City, which ended about 30 minutes ago!! WOW!! What a performance!! Everybody in the band was in a good mood, so that was perfect for us! Ade as usual was smiling at everyone and everything, Pat was awesome behind the drum kitwell you get my drift!! The crowd was very loud when it needed to be and very quiet when it was necessary, maybe thats why Fripp left his dark spot and the end of the show and at every encore and went almost at the front of the stage to clap at the crowd, he seemed really happy indeed!! The crowd wouldnt let them go so they came back for a third unplanned encore, they played a blues song that I dont know so I cant give you the title but Im sure a lot you know that song, it starts something like: someday.. (sorry thats all I can remember now!!). Pat broke a lot of drumsticks during the show, so at the end he came close to the front stage and put a whole stack of them for the crowd to pick them out, I wasnt quick enough but at the very last encore I asked him for one and he gave me an unbroken one!! Merchandising: A lot of t-shirts all at $40.00, a baseball cap, a poster. A whole bunch of cds: The Bears Live, The Trey Gunn Band 2 cd Road Journals 2002, Rhythm Buddies Thunderbird Suite and both Mastica albums and of course the tour box. I took one of each cd as I was on the mood for new things to listen to and this week is payday anyway!!!!! All the cds were $20.00 except for the 2cd set which was $25.00 and the tour box at $30.00. Thats in Canadian dollars so if you plan to go to a show in the US, plan accordingly! Set list (that was given to me by one of the crew member): 1-The ConstruKction Of Light 2-ProzaKc Blues 3-Elektrik 4-Facts Of Life 5-Level Five 6-One Time 7-Happy With What You Have To Be Happy With 8-The Worlds My Oyster Soup Kitchen Floor Wax Museum 9-Power Circle 10-Dangerous Curves 11-Larks Tongues In Aspic Part IV Encore 1: 12-The Deception Of The Thrush 13-Dinosaur Encore 2: 14-Vrooom Encore 3: 15-"Someday." So everyone had a great time!!! Thanks. Michel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:45:16 -0500 From: "Greg Amann" Subject: GIG REVIEW: Toronto through childrens eyes Here is a review of the Toronto gig by my 11 year old (third time seeing KC) and my 9 year old (second time seeing KC): 1.- It was so much fun it was really cool. 2.- It was load but not too loud. Dad gave us hearing protection but we didn't need them and our ears didn't ring at all! 3.- Pat Mastelotto's glasses were too big, and we should know since our Mom is an optometrist. 4.- We had good sound and a good view once we moved to better seats. 5.- The lights were awesome. 6.- The blow-up sharks teeth were cool but we think they bent the wrong way. 7.- Trey playing 2 guitars was cool and he was dressed al in white and we wish he would smile more. We only need one Robert Fripp in the band. 8.- They did 2 encores. One of us liked Dinosaur most and the other liked HTBHWWYHTBHW most. 9.- They didn't bow. We play piano and our teacher makes us bow. Fripp hid in the shadows at the end when we applauded. And that's what children think. I am somewhat concerned that my 9 year old immediately knew the smell of marijuana ;-) Peace, light and love. Big Fat Greg ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1105 *********************************