Reply-To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Discipline #110 D I S C I P L I N E The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 110, Friday, 8 October 1993 Today's Topics: Belew in Boston (Sept. 30, 1993 @ The Paradise) Belew tour clarification New Standard Tuning Adrian Belew @ Paradise in Boston Adrian Belew Unplugged Fripp/Sylvian in Toronto Berkeley Show Re: Sylvian/Fripp in SF,CA CANADIAN Sylvian/Fripp dates? Gordon Haskell John Wetton and Asia David Cross gig on November 6th in London Belew Acoustic King Claypool Re: Belew (fwd) The Concise King Crimson Sylvian bootleg Wetton's New Album Thoughts from Germany [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1993 13:34:08 -0400 (EDT) From: MCGLINCJ at bcvms dot bc dot edu Subject: Belew in Boston (Sept. 30, 1993 @ The Paradise) Hello! Adrian's concert was an awesome experience! Got to shake his hand, ask him questions, and got him to autograph "Discipline" and the new acoustic Belew album sold at the show. Here's what he played (to the best extent of my knowledge, not in any particular order): "Lone Rhinoceros", "Young Lions", "Inner Revolution" (these WERE the first three), "Fly", "The Man in the Moon", "Shoe Salesman (a really funny song, loaded with double entendres about the shoe business)", "Matte Kudasai (he even mimicked the "bird" noises), a little riff of "Discipline", a Bears song about "complicated potatoes"(?), "Across the Universe", "Blackbird", and "Heartbeat". This is by no means everything he played. He allowed the crowd to ask him questions. His responses were very informing and often witty. Here's all I can remember; I'll paraphrase what he said. Exact quotations will be represented by quotation marks. I'll start it off with the four me and my friends asked him: - How did the song "Indiscipline" come to be written? They came up with the 5/4 heavy guitar riff, and then the lyrics were taken from a letter Adrian received. He extracted certain parts and made it non-sensical. - Is his Crimso lyrics different in any way from his Bears/ solo lyrics? Yes. More personal stuff tends to go on the solo albums. More global, worldly stuff tends to go on the Crimson albums. Many Bears' lyrics were co-written by the rest of the group. - Was it ever distracting to work with Bruford's unorthodox, syncopation-from- hell method of playing? No. Adrian stated that Bill was a great talent to work with, though sometimes when the band would be up on stage playing in different time signatures, and Bill would wind up the classic Bruford drum roll, he would be very confused as to where they were. He said that Tony Levin would then look at everyone else, as if to say, "Is anybody hurt?" ! :) But overall, Belew reacted very positively to playing with Bill. - What was the most pompous thing Fripp ever said to you? Adrian said that since he would be playing with Robert next year, perhaps it wouldn't be too politic to say! - How does a Midwestern guy like you get mixed up with Robert Fripp? They met at a club in New York, when Adrian accompanied David Bowie. - Did you ever listen to old King Crimson before you joined them? He said that he loved old Crimson, and never dreamed that one day he would end up IN the band. He also said that he thought he was the only one who listened to them! - What was it like working with Zappa? How did they meet? They met in a seedy bar in Memphis [or was it Nashville?]. Zappa was watching Belew's band, the "Shweethearts" [pronounced like Humphery Bogart would say it]. Zappa shook his hand, took down his name and number. Belew didn't think anything would come of it, but six months later, Zappa called him, requesting him to fly out to California. Belew said the audition was really tough [for those of you who have never heard Zappa, his music can get really complicated, and he only hires cream-of-the-crop musical mercenary types who KNOW what they're doing. For those of you who have the "Sheik Yerbouti" album and are wondering about Adrian's impression of Bob Dylan on the song "Flakes", he said that when Zappa first played him the song, Adrian thought it sounded like a bad Bob Dylan song. Zappa liked his impression, and said, "You're gonna do that tonight on stage!". Adrian also said that he would wear a harmonica, but for the sake of comedy would strap the harmonica up near his forehead and blow into the microphone!]. - As a session musician, who have you enjoyed working with the most? He's enjoyed working with them all, and claims to have never had a horrible experience. - Is it blue in Tangiers? [the guy who asked this looked pretty baked, IMHO] "It is if you want it to be!" - What's the weirdest event/person you've ever experienced in the music business? "Is this a multiple choice? We would be here all night..." - What didn't the gig with the Chili Peppers work out? "If you saw me wearing a sock, you'd know!" - Is your daughter [I guess the one on "Oh Daddy"] going to pursue a singing career? No. His daughter, who is sixteen, is going to pursue art. - How dangerous is a dangerous place? "It's pretty dangerous! I thought I was going to die...Do you want to hear the 'Thela Hun Ginjeet' story?" [large cheers from audience] Basically, Adrian said that when they recorded Discipline they recorded it in a bad section of London, where there were race riots, etc., and basically, everyone was either a drug dealer or an undercover cop. Fripp sent him out to tape the vocals for the song (which was about molestation) on the street with a portable walkman. Adrian said that with his hair he must have been mistaken for an undercover cop by a group of menacing Rastafariens! They grabbed the walkman, played it ("he held a gun in his hand", etc.) and the situation got worse. Adrian was wearing a Talking Heads t-shirt underneath a Hawaiian shirt, and desperately convinced the Rastas that he belonged to the Talking Heads and that they were making a recording! After they let him go, he walked around the corner where he ran into two English bobbies--who grabbed the walkman from him and searched him/it for drugs!!! :):) - Influences? The Beatles. - How was the lyrics to "Neurotica" written? He was up in a room at the Milford Plaza Hotel looking down at the hustle and bustle of New York. Here was a woman with a leopard-skin dress, there a man with a bear hat, etc. He thought it looked like a big jungle, ran to get a nature-world encyclopedia and wrote down animals he had never heard before (the giant snorkled spoonfish, etc.). The rest is history! Well, that's about all I can think of now. If I remember anything else, I'll tell you. By the way, he wrote "Lone Rhinoceros" in a Swiss chalet during his session work for Bowie. He's planning an extensive series of experimental guitar work on his "Adrian Belew Presents" label. Lastly, and perhaps most importantly to some, he previewed a future Crimson song. It is still pretty rudimentary- only two verses, and a chorus so far. It was a beautiful, mellow song in Gminor called "One Life". It will probably go through a lot of changes though, in between now and the album. Still, if the rest of the stuff matches up to the quality of this one, it'll be one hell of an album! The line up is still Belew/Fripp/ Gunn/Levin/Marotta, for the curious. If anyone else goes to a show, ask him to play, "One Life"!!! CHEERS!!! :) ...More Questions I forgot - Who is Neal and Jack (of "Neal and Jack and Me")? They are Jack Kerouac and Neal Cassady, an influence of Adrian's while they were recording Beat. The song was written in Paris. - What's it like working with Brian Eno? He cited Eno as a very creative force. "Basically, Brian likes to process everything you do." He says that Eno has gotten him to play things he wouldn't normally consider, and then has taken his work even further. - Also mentioned was that he will play on an upcoming Nine Inch Nails LP (recorded in the infamous Sharon Tate mansion). He said he put some really happy guitar down on the tracks! Joe McGlinchey Boston College [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 14:30:41 -0500 From: nash at chem dot wisc dot edu (John R. Nash) Subject: Belew tour clarification Just a clarification on the posted tour info for Adrian Belew's acoustic tour. The fan club information had a possible Madison, WI date on Oct 23rd. Sadly (for me), I have confirmed that there will be no Madison show. Thus, the end of the tour schedule is: Oct 22 Milwaukee Oct 24 Minneapolis This info comes from the "for more info" number given in the post. ----------------------------------- John R. Nash nash at chem dot wisc dot edu ----------------------------------- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 16:22:01 EDT From: White_Lily Subject: New Standard Tuning In reply to the questions regarding the string gauges of the New Standard Tuning, for acoustic, two possible sets as sold by Guitar Craft services are 11 12 23 32 46 56 and 12 15 23 32 47 60. For electric, I had asked Robert Fripp what he used and he said 9 12 15 22 38 48-50. This is a fairly even tension on the neck. A few comments I would like to make in regards to string tension on the neck: it very often is NOT even, as can easily been seen on packages of strings that state the tension of each string tuned to pitch, also it is not easy to use simple physics equations to compute string tension since the diameter is not in direct correlation to the mass per unit length. Because of the windings on the strings, it makes it much more difficult and the only way to easily find out the mass per unit length is to weigh them and measure them. One last thing: do not buy many packs of strings to piece together a set of strings for the new standard tuning, as someone proposed. I know many music stores that will let you put together a custom set and charge you the same price as a normal set. Even if they do not, individual strings are not that expensive. And make sure that you buy extra strings for your G (9, 11, 12 depending on what set you use). It is very easy to break them at first :) Sincerely, White Lily fenkner at clam dot rutgers dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: mdorman at world dot std dot com (Michael A Dorman) Subject: Adrian Belew @ Paradise in Boston Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 16:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Well, the show lasted about two hours from the time Adrian came on until the time he finally left. At the outset he said that this was going to be a sort of interactive experience and that he'd take a break every three or four songs to field questions. He played quite a bit of stuff, opening with "Lone Rhino" and moving through stuff off of all six of his solo albums, including a couple of songs from the B-side of the "Pretty Pink Rose" CD-single--"Shoe Salesman" and "Neptune Pool"--"Young Lions", "I'd Rather Be Right Here", "Men in Helicopters", "Heartbeet", "Inner Revolution", and a song that comprises the second half of the instrumental "Tango Zebra" >from _Desire Caught by the Tail_ with words. He also played "Heartbeat". and "Matte Kudesai" as well as previewing a new song he's written for the Crimson album, called "One Time" (at least for the moment), stating at the outset that he only had words for the first verse and chorus. It sounds quite promising. He did a couple of songs from the Bears, as well as a couple of songs that are going to show up on his new studio album which is due around the beginning of the year. He close the show with the song "1967", which ends with the words "Goodbye, I've got to go now". He came back for an encore which included two Beatles songs, "Across the Universe" and "Blackbird", with the comment that "it wouldn't be fair to do a John song and not do a Paul song." The questions he fielded ranged from "How did you meet Frank Zappa" to "What was the wierdest experience you have ever had in the music business" to "What has been your favorite musical experience". He was quite open, and had nice things to say about everyone. Notably, someone asked about what it was like to play with Bruford, to which he responded that he found it entertaining, even though it was very challenging--he made a comment about how sometimes Bruford would do a long roll and Tony Levin would look up and ask, "Anyone hurt?" This may well be the best show I've ever seen. The setting was small, and the intent of the show was intimate from the outset. His voice is as amazing in person as it is on record (and I wonder if anyone knows if he has a delay on his voice that increases as the volume increases--it certainly sounds like it), and he was willing to try just about anything--he played the first verse and chorus of "This is what I believe in" just to please someone who asked for it, even though he admitted that the syncopation made it hard for him to play it at all. He's a wonderful performer and a damn nice guy. If he's coming nearby, I highly recommend this show. Mike. -- Michael Dorman, Programmer, TAD Technical Services, Cambridge, MA. "I want to tell her that I love her a lot, but I've got to get a belly-full of wine." [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Andy Wilson Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 16:59:29 EDT Subject: Adrian Belew Unplugged Adrian Belew played "unplugged" at the Paradise in Boston last night. The format was that he would play three or four songs and then take questions from the audience. He did songs from the past and upcoming solo albums, a few King Crimson songs (including a new one), a Bears song, and a couple of Beatles songs, including: Lone Rhino Inner Revolution What I Believe In (which he said he could barely do) The Man in the Moon Heartbeat Matte Kudasai Shoe Salesman Here Across the Universe Blackbird He also mentioned that he is finishing up a new recording contract that will specifically include some experimental guitar records. A limited edition CD of 2000 copies was available for sale after the show, and Adrian ended up signing most of them. What was really special for me in seeing this was that he has such a beautiful voice that comes across much better with just an acoustic guitar than with an entire band. KING CRIMSON REFORMING The first question was predictably about the rumored King Crimson reformation. Adrian confirmed that this will be happening and said that it won't happen until 1994 when everyone is available. He said he had rehearsed for a week with everyone but Tony Levin. He was very upbeat about this, and expressed his interest in playing percussion in addition to guitar in the new lineup. THE BENTMEN Adrian recently did some recording with the Bentmen, a project led by the husband-and-wife songwriting duo Bill and Kathy Desmond and which has included Adrian's fellow sometime Bowie sideman Reeves Gabrels for the past five years. Adrian said "I played my skinny little butt off on this." I've heard some of it, and I would have to concur. The Desmonds have the uncanny ability to take great musicians and coax out some of their best playing and fit it into a tightly organized composition with the kind of dramatic changes in dynamics and extreme emotions that suit their theatrical stage show. The lineup on this recording includes: Voice, Programming: Bill Desmond Keyboards, Programming: Kathy Desmond Guitars: Reeves Gabrels, Adrian Belew, Eddie Nowak Bass: Matt Gruenberg Drums: Larry Dersch NINE INCH NAILS The new Nine Inch Nails album is produced by Flood and features Adrian on guitar, and was recorded in the house where the Manson family murdered Sharon Tate. BRIAN ENO AND LAURIE ANDERSON Adrian mentioned that he has also been working on a project including Brian Eno and Laurie Anderson. Andy [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 17:34:34 -0400 (EDT) From: MACDOUGA at SRCL dot SUNNYBROOK dot UTORONTO dot CA Subject: Fripp/Sylvian in Toronto Hi Everybody For anybody who is interested Fripp/Sylvian tickets went on sale this week (Monday September 27) and were sold out in about 1/2 hour. They are playing a venue some of you may be familiar with, that being Massey Hall. A nice venue indeed (one of the recordings from the KC box set The Great Deceiver was recorded at Massey Hall). Tickets were a whopping $29.50 plus service charge for our friends at TicketMaster 8-(. The show is Nov. first. I'll post a full review shortly after. Thanks to the individual who posted the Belew tour information. I'm going to try to get to see him in Buffalo. If I can't I at least get a chance at the CD's. I have especially been looking for the Bears early stuff. Thanks again!!! See Ya John [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 14:49:27 -0700 From: rpeck at pure dot com (Ray Peck) Subject: Berkeley show >Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 15:59:33 PDT >From: "John M. Relph" >Subject: Sylvian/Fripp in Berkeley > >Yes, I too have purchased tickets to the Berkeley Sylvian/Fripp show. So >who else here is going? Shall we meet there before the show? Maybe I >should wear my Discipline shirt... Or my Craft pin... I'm going. I'm sitting on "tier left". I'd be happy to meet with some O the same people I met at the SF Quintet show (plus Malcolm!). [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 22:34:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Patrick Arnold Subject: Re: Sylvian/Fripp in SF,CA Area: SF, Bay Area, California Venue: Zellerbach (UC Berkeley campus) Date: Thu, Oct 28, 8 PM Cost: $22.50 + misc, tickets selling fast Tix: BASS, 408-998-2277 or 510-762-2277 What I know. - Brian [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: wcsanil at ccs dot carleton dot ca (Anil Prasad) Subject: CANADIAN Sylvian/Fripp dates? Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 22:52:52 EDT Does anyone know of ANY Canadian dates for Sylvian/Fripp? -- Anil Prasad/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\wcsanil at ccs dot carleton dot ca /\/\/\/\/\/\"Without music, life would be a mistake." -- Nietzsche/\/\/\/\/\/\ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: r dot derousse2 at genie dot geis dot com Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 03:48:00 BST Subject: Gordon Haskell I just learned that Gordon Haskell will appear at The Tuba on October 19 at 9:00 PM. This is presumably in Kansas City since that is part of the return address on the postcard I received, and I probably got it from Voiceprint (based in K.C.), who is sponsoring the tour. Gordon was a bassist/vocalist for King Crimson and has played bass for Alvin Lee, Van Morrison, and Cliff Richard. He has also done some at least 4 albums. This is his first solo U.S. tour. Tickets are $5 in advance or $7 at the door. --Roy [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 2 Oct 93 09:45:48 EDT From: Greg dot Andrade at um dot cc dot umich dot edu Subject: John Wetton and Asia While I am certainly not a fan of Asia, I recently noticed that the band has a live album recorded in Moscow. It features John Wetton and Carl Palmer, two personal favorites of mine. Has anyone heard this album? It has at least two King Crimson songs ("Book of Saturday" and "Starless"), so it might be worth the purchase. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 2 Oct 93 12:46 BST From: ronc at cogs dot susx dot ac dot uk (Ron Chrisley) Subject: David Cross gig on November 6th in London Well, the Cross gig at the Astoria on Sep 25th was excellent, as usual. Intense, forceful, aggresive, sometimes delicate, and they played Exiles once again. Their live sound is much better than what has been captured on album. I said as much to David Cross, and he agreed. The next album will have an ex-Gong man (sorry, I forget which) producing; this figures, since I saw Cross talking to him at the Orange gig last May. Hopefully it will do more justice to the actual band sound. Anyway, the good news is that there is going to be another gig, on Nov 6th, at the Orange, West Kensington, London (again). They will be recording for a new album; not a "live" album, although some of the "live" tracks will be used on it. They are also video taping! SO: all UK Crimheads should find an excuse for a trip to London on Nov 6th. You will not be disappointed, and you might end up on video/CD! Ron [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: wcsanil at ccs dot carleton dot ca (Anil Prasad) Subject: Belew Acoustic Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 17:27:31 EDT If anyone has some high quality tapes of the Belew acoustic tour, please get in touch with me. Thanks, -- Anil Prasad/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\wcsanil at ccs dot carleton dot ca /\/\/\/\/\/\"Without music, life would be a mistake." -- Nietzsche/\/\/\/\/\/\ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: wcsanil at ccs dot carleton dot ca (Anil Prasad) Subject: King Claypool Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 0:38:22 EDT I haven't seen (or at least I don't think I've seen) any discussion on this list about Primus. Since all of the hoopla about their mega-successful album "Pork Soda" came out, I haven't seen a SINGLE article mention the blatant King Crimson influence the group posesses. At times, you might even think they were the bastard offspring of the Discipline line-up, or even the Red line-up if you stretched it. Does anyone agree with this, or am I totally off-base here? I hear tons of Frippisms and even Belewisms in Ler Lalonde's guitar playing, and I'll be damned if Bruford isn't a MAJOR influence on Herb Alexander's percussion outlook. The press keeps harping on Rush comparisons, but I don't hear them. Anyway, I'm interested in any opinions pro or con. -- Anil Prasad/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\wcsanil at ccs dot carleton dot ca /\/\/\/\/\/\"Without music, life would be a mistake." -- Nietzsche/\/\/\/\/\/\ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 12:12:14 +0501 (EDT) From: Jeffrey Hoffman Subject: Re: Belew (fwd) I saw Adrian Belew in Philly on Sat. nite and it was the most refreshing concert I have been to in quite some time. It was just him on stage with an acoustic guitar and a dobro. He would play 3 or 4 songs and then answer questions from the audience. He also sold a limited ed. CD which is all acoustic -- mostly the stuff he plays at the show and (I think) worth the $15. The music itself included solo Belew, Bears stuff, and some KC --- Matte Kudasai and a tune that will be (drum-roll please) on the new album. A sampling of the comments Belew made: 1. They have played together once in preparation and a new KC album should be out by this time next year. So you may have to wait longer than you thought, as I have read that this album was expected sometime soon. There will also be a tour. Remember that for Discipline they toured before the album was recorded. It would be nice if they did this again. 2. Adrian played on the new Laurie Anderson album which is due any day now. A must buy. 3. He also played on the new track on the Paul Simon box set and on some stuff by Nine Inch Nails. Very interesting. 4. He does not listen to the Grateful Dead. Yes, there is a God. 5. There were several questions regarding his work and opinions of other artists, too much so to go into here. 6. (The question I asked) Although he is credited in several magazine articles as having played on Studio Tan by Mr. Zappa, Belew did not specifically record for this album. He said that he is always finding out that he has been credited for playing on Zappa ablums that he really didn't "play" on. Mr. Zappa has (shocker) a huge collection of recorded sounds, grunts, music, noise, etc. and I guess that when he uses your sound, grunt, etc. then you get credit on the album. This seems to be the case for Studio Tan. 7. Belew and P. Gabriel worked together on a musical track for the Steve Spielberg film "Gremlins." Only about 6 seconds of it get on film, during the bar scene. 8. Belew did not take the question about his "whatever" with the Red Hot Chili Pepers too seriously and did not indicate that he ever plans to work with them. That's about all for now. If you get a chance to see this show, by all means do it. The dates have been posted before, but if you need them just let me know and I'll e-mail them to you. Jeff Hoffman jeff_hoffman at unc dot edu P.S. -- Call the newsletter Elephant Talk or Neurotica. It doesn't matter if the name comes from KC yet we talk about other related artists. Neurotica just sounds kind of twisted -- it would fit this journal. However, Elephant Talk is PERFECT. I don't think we could come up with anything even half as good. -- Jeff Hoffman jeff_hoffman at unc dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 04 Oct 93 22:59:22 EDT From: Mike Subject: The Concise King Crimson Greetings! I recently heard that there was yet another Crimson compilation coming out, to be known as "The Concise King Crimson." This was reported in ICE mag and my local record store had a reference to it in his computer. The only problem is that no one knows what it is or when it's coming out. Does anybody have any info or release dates?? Is this supposed to tide us over until we can get some new King Crimson?? I mean Fripp/Sylvian is nice, and I don't mind Adrian doing a little solo tour, but haven't we waited long enough? [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 19:53:14 -0400 From: javasque at entropy dot bph dot jhu dot edu (Jaime Vasquez) Subject: Sylvian bootleg How many Sylvian bootlegs are out there. I just recently borrowed one made in Japan from the '88 tour. I think I've heard of one made in Italy from the same tour... is it the same performance? Jaime Vasquez javasque at eos dot ncsu dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 11:56:20 -0400 From: Randy Alley Subject: Wetton's New Album I have a friend who passed on this information, supposedly from another friend who knows John Wetton: His new album release was delayed by dinosaurs, oops, by his record company because they wanted him to give tour support to it. Supposedly Fripp and other notables play extensively on it, and they were unavailable for touring. So Wetton was left with the task of assembling a suitable touring outfit. Some re-recording of the LP may have been involved as well. So maybe he'll tour, or maybe the album will be delayed further. In the rumour dept.: Fripp was supposedly considering a King Crimson Reunion Tour, with Wetton, Greg Lake, and others involved. This has apparently fallen through. Does anyone else know about this. Who all was to be involved ? This was of course in addition to the New Crimson outfit expected in 1994. Randy [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 11:27:56 +0100 From: Christian Guettge Subject: Thoughts from Germany Dear Toby, first of all, thanks for DISCIPLINE, it`s real great and my every monday morming joy. [[ -- Thank you ]] In Discipline 104 you wrote the dates for the Fripp/sylvian world tour. I'm very disappointed, that there is no date in Germany. Does someone know anything about a Fripp Concert in Germany?? If there is real no German Concert, I will by very thankful about a contact with some of the Netherland Guy's for the Concert in Sittard ! I saw Robert with the Crafties in Bonn 1990. This was a great moment and a faboulous concert. But when I look to Discipline and the numbers of german Discipline Readers , I think l live in an Crimson/Fripp-Third-World-Country. Now another question to all goodinformed frippers. On the crafty-LP "LIVE" ,my favourite track is NEW WORLD. Is this Robert alone or is there somebody else playing frippertronic or the leadguitar?? At least my suggestion for the new Discipluine name: CRAFTY-POST so long Christian [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] To join this mailing list or have your thoughts in the next issue, please send electronic mail to Toby Howard at the following address: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk The Discipline archives are available on ftp.uwp.edu, in /pub/music/lists/discipline. 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