Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1097 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1097 Friday, 28 February 2003 Today's Topics: GIG BIZ: 2 Tickets for NYC 3/5 for sale CGT March Tour Re: Torn related TPTB..... Re: It's time to vote in MD's annual poll/Crimson drummers/Mike Giles 'Name-calling and jumping to conclusions' a dream, release date True Enthusiasts/TPTB There are a few Real fans! Re: Clear Channel's not all Bad Re: Live Crim Clarification on SCI Ticketing and KC TM requirements, fave/crappy SF bay venues Crimson @ the Birchmere -- expect things to be different At least the froggies aren't anti-KC Cat Food TPTB Re: Tour-Asheville-respect, to Robert Dis'd in the desert, bo'rd in the b'rain. tptb -review in "the times", england ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:15:59 -0500 From: Josh Emery Subject: GIG BIZ: 2 Tickets for NYC 3/5 for sale I have 2 tickets I can't use for Town Hall on 3/5. They are Orchestra row R 106 and 108. Origianl cost was $45 each plus charges. In my hope to sell them fast I'm willing to take $80 for the pair. Please contact me privatly ASAP as time before the show is short. Josh Emery ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:42:29 -0700 From: Bert Lams Subject: CGT March Tour Dear All, CGT returned the week before last from a great tour in the North East. Highlight was the An Arbor Folk Festival where we played a set before Taj Mahal. Just over a week from now we start our West Coast tour. It begins on March 3 in San Diego and ends on the 16th in Seattle. We will present a lot of new material on this upcoming tour, along with some CGT "classics". Please check our website at http://cgtrio.com/yamanews.htm#tour for updates and details. For those who don't know yet: CGT is featured on a Grammy Awards nominated track called "Apollo". This is the opening piece from Tony Levin's recently released "Pieces of the Sun" CD. You can check out Tony Levin's website at http://tonylevin.com on Sunday evening (2/23) to see if we won! You can also order Pieces of the Sun from Tony's website. Very best and hope to see you all soon! Bert Below is our tourschedule: ~^*~^*~^*~^*~^*^~~*^^~*^~*~^*^*^*~^*^*~^*~*^~*^~*^ California Guitar Trio March West Coast Tour Mon 3 - 8pm San Diego, CA * Dizzy's, 344 Seventh Ave Tix 858-270-7467 Tue 4 - 8pm Los Angeles CA * The Mint, 6010 W. Pico Blvd. Tix: 323/937-9630 Wed 5 - 8pm Goleta, CA * he Mercury, 5871 Hollister Ave Tix: (805) 967-0907 Fri 7 - 8pm Santa Cruz, CA * Kuumbwa Jazz Center, 320 Cedar St. #2 Tix: (831) 425-7335 Sat 8 - 7:30pm Palo Alto, CA * Unitarian Hall, 505 E. Charleston Rd. Tix: chrisflorkowski at yahoo dot com Sun 9 - 6pm Carmichael, CA * Sacramento Academy,5601 Winding Way Tix: 916-481-2300 Mon 10 - 8pm Sacramento, CA Sacramento School Clinic (Private Performance) Tue 11 - 8pm Mill Valley, CA * Sweetwater Showcase Club, 153 Throckmorton Avenue Tix: (415)388-2820 Wed 12 - 8pm Redway, CA * Redwood Pub, 3492 Redwood Drive Tix: 707-923-1313 Thur 13 - 8pm Eugene, OR * WOW Hall, 291 W. 8th Tix: 541-687-2747 Fri 14 - 8pm Seattle, WA Seattle Circle House, 603 NW 65th Street Tix: 206.789.8481 Sat 15 - 8pm Seattle, WA Seattle Circle House, 603 NW 65th Street Tix: 206.789.8481 Sun 16 - 1pm Everett, WA KSER Benefit, Historic Everett Theater, 2911 Colby Ave Tix:(425) 258-6766 * = Tom Griesgraber opening All times and dates are subject to change. Please check the CGT Tour schedule at http://cgtrio.com/yamanews.htm#tour for the latest, up-to-date information. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:34:45 -0600 From: Craig Subject: Re: Torn related >Yet another "Dream Team" recording, which includes Torn and Isham (but >neither of the former Crims), is found on Michael Shrieve's "Stiletto." >Andy Summers and a bassist named Terje Gewelt round out the lineup for >this most interesting and colorful (albeit short) space-jazz excursion. >Unfortunately, it's out of print, but well worth the effort to track it >down. Great one.......... Even better is the 1989 CD "Many Bobbing Heads at Last"- Marty Fogel (Everyman Band) w/ David Torn & Michael (Santana) Shrieve, & Dean Johnson . Fantastic! ....Investigate. ~Craig ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:20:01 +0100 From: Andrea Tolin Subject: TPTB..... So, I bought the CD today, here in Italy. I'm part of the group that didn't like TCOL from the very first listening and since then I had "the power to believe" that their new work would have been better. Well, I was wrong.....maybe it's me, for sure it's me, but I can't hear a single phrase that grab my attention, nothing, simply nothing, I'm bored to death. This band is not for me anymore, I'll move on. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:08:49 -0800 (PST) From: Steven Munari Subject: Re: It's time to vote in MD's annual poll/Crimson drummers/Mike Giles Hello kid's! I thought i'd bring this up in case anyone reading this newlstter doesn't ALREADY know. It's that time to cast your vote in the annual "Modern Drummer" poll for drummer's in various catagories. Just go to: www.moderndrummer.com & click on the annual poll & see which catagories you'd like to vote for your favortie drummer in, be they from KC or not. Like if you'd like to vote for PM or Bilford, or even Michael Giles(more in him in a sec) from the "Schizoid Band"! Just pls vote for whom you really believe belongs in whatever catagory, as too many(That's why i'm writing this)vote as if it were a 'poularity' contest, so way too many 'undeserving' drummer's get voted in by the impressionable youth of today, & NOT on merit! Personally(I know this isn't the place but)i'm voting for the incredible Virgil Donati in a few catagories, not because he's the finest drummer playing today(which he is w/o a doubt)but because he deserves my vote in those catagories as he is the 'best' for them! Ok on Mike Giles. I know everyone reading this already knows Michael quit the great "21st Cen. Schizoid Band" & will be replaced by Ian Wallace, whom I feel is a "great" choice to fill Michael's shoe's, as I always thought Ian was 1 of KC's finest drummers!However i'd like to know why he quit? (Ian if your reading this, contact me as I can get you some incredible photo's of your 'hand painted' kit that was stolen, which you used on the great tours you did w/KC. These are CLOSE UP photo's that I KNOW you've been looking for!) Back to Mike. Does anyone know his reasons for leaving the "SB"? I haven't read the last 2 ET's yet, maybe the answers are in there. I simply cannot understand why he'd quit a band that was giving him the finest opportunity to, a)record on a regular basis, something he really hasn't done much of in 33 years now, b)Make money playing music. Another thing he hasn't had much of in the past 33 yrs. As i've been told he & brother Pete wrote material for the upcoming new "SB" cd. I have to guess that this material will still be used by Peter, only Ian will play it? c)Was getting his 1st real opportunity for 'exposure'to the rest of the planet. So if anyone knows about Mike's departure, & the reasons why i'd love to know? So, who are your choices as the greatest of Crimson drummer's considering the fact there have been a few, throughout the years? I have read what some thought of Andy McCulloch's drumming, and KNOW that many of Crimson's fan's were upset when Bill left, but have'nt read alot more than this. I didn't mean that Robert or anyone else in KC "used" a particular drummer in the sense of only hiring them for their ability to play on 1 song or album, although that could be the correct term for what happened w/Andy McCulloch? I just want to hear whom everyone's feels the best Crimson drummer's have been & why you feel that way. I apologize if this is an 'old thread' but this old brain doesn't reall things it's read more than a few months back. I guess that's it except if you want to hear see some "INCREDIBLE" drumming & MUSIC, check out the "Ultimate Drummer's Weekend 2002" sponsered by Australia's "Drumtek" & an event that's been happening for 10 years now! It's called TUDW btw. You can find out more about it by going to; www.drumtek.co.au as they tell you how you can order this incredible 4 hr dvd which has many camera angles so you can see things (for the 1st time!) like Donati's alien(as in from another planet-galaxy)footwork from behind or the side & they even have a box which appears in the upper left of your tv sceen, alowing you to see both the regular shot of someone's drumming with a band, or solo, while seeing their feet or hands at work!(This dvd is not only for drummers because there are a # of great band performances, like 30+ mins of the Dave Weckl Band. Others.) One caution. Drumtek mistakenly has only had PAL dvd's produced thus far, so unless you live in a PAL country, or have an "All Region" dvd player like I do, you won't be able to view it now. Take care, Steven "Be regular & orderly in your life so that you may be violent and original in your work." Gustave Flaubert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:12:10 +0000 From: "Anna Rose" Subject: 'Name-calling and jumping to conclusions' >I'm not really curious as to why people try to belittle Robert Fripp by >calling him "Fripper" or "Bobby" because that is juvenile, but I do >wonder >what is wrong? >>Bobby, kiss my arse >If I'm not mistaken, the requirements being referred to in the note >from >SCI are those of CLEAR CHANNEL attempting to short-circuit the growing >movement of bands ticketing their own shows, NOT Fripp and the band. >In case you hadn't heard, CC's a monopoly. Slagging KC for this is >just >confused. Direct your anger where it belongs: Clear Channel, and a US >administration which thinks monopolies are just peachy keen. >Go ahead and rant >and rave and petition and so forth to bring about the change you >desire, >True-fan, but you can do without name-calling and jumping to >conclusions. Um, I could be wrong, but is it at all possible that this person was merely joking? Or just needed someplace to vent their anger? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 04:39:56 -0800 (PST) From: Wasser Dan Subject: a dream, release date I had a wierd dream last night ... I was at the Birchmere (outside of Wash., D.C.) concert (coming up March 3!) and, literally, sitting on the floor in front of the stage and all four Crims were playing guitar right in front of me and there was another guy right behind me with his guitar and he kept pushing me away from the stage and then every time I moved away from him he kept following me and pushing me away and then all of the sudden I was in another venue and ELP was playing. What's it all mean?!?!?!?! Back to reality: I'm quite looking forward to the show on March 3rd but I'm a bit miffed that the CD is being released THE NEXT DAY. Though I dig the EP, I would have liked to have become familiar with the other songs prior to the show. Oh, well. Comment on ET posters: some people are taking themselves (and Crim/nusic, in general) a little too seriously ....... Rock on. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:07:45 +0000 From: "Anna Rose" Subject: True Enthusiasts/TPTB >The True Enthusiast: >1) Understands that if we don't like the sound of the new record, then >we >do >not have to buy it. Oh good. I downloaded some of TPTB to see if I liked it enough to buy it. I didn't. (I say this after a first time listening, btw, so it might grow on me, I suppose.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:40:16 EST From: MaLiebenthal at aol dot com Subject: There are a few Real fans! Hi, This is my first ever post to ET and what has driven me to this is the continual litany of complaints that accompany a King Crimson tour. I have been to very many shows, appx. 65 performances over the years and can never wait until the next tour. I have no expectations other than knowing I will attend and hear a well rehearsed, professional, exciting and unpredictable event. Whatever the costgs, so be it. Hey, I have attended shows in 1969 for as little as $1.50 but have no problem paying 100 times that amount for incalculable enjoyment. In this world of waste and excess what does it really matter. Money is just a means. How much money is pissed away by all of us purchasing things needlessly and sometimes never even using our purchase. I have had my personal experiences with Robert too. I have met him at record signings where he was more than cordial. I once got a personal note to him which he even replied to with "Mark, Time to grow up?" And guess what, Robert was right. But as it relates to my zeal for the music, my excitement shows no bounds. So, please dn't bother to attend the shows if you need to scream out ridiculous song titles or boo when you don't get your way. actually I have come to be embarrassed by the fans that attend most of the King Crimson shows today. It seems that the younger crowd is just without much consideration for the musician. The CGT, Bill Bruford and Tony Levin seem to attract a more civilised crowd. So, that is my note to Robert: If you want your fan base to grow with young listeners today, then you have to accept the baggage of their lack of civility. Their need for instant gratification and lack of regard for anyone is continually glaring. Though I must add one note: from my first ever KC show in 1971 through every incarnation of the band, there have been the select few who feel it necessary to scream out whatever comes to their minds regardless of those around them. This continues and seemingly will never go away. I encourage the team to continue in light of the lack of support from their supposed "true fans". Hey, I am turning 50 this year, out of gainful employmnet, but more than willing to attend both New York shows. King Crimson has brought me so much peace in my life that paying for a ticket to hear them is the least I can do. Thank you. Mark Liebenthal New York ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:38:01 -0600 From: "Buzz Fenner" Subject: Re: Clear Channel's not all Bad Andrew wrote: "Radiohead tried to buck the system by bypassing the Clear Channel summer amphitheatres and playing their Washington, DC area shows at Bull Run (near the Civil War battlefield). Both shows were cancelled because torrential rains at Bull Run caused flooding which caused the makeshift stage to sink. Had Radiohead played the Clear Channel amphitheatres, the crowd up front would have been under cover, the band would be playing in a venue designed for concerts, and the show would have gone on and started on time, notwithstanding the heavy rains." Clear Channel has exclusive agreements with the best concert venues. It seems that you either play CC's game or pick up your marbles and go home. There is nothing good about that. Buzz "Eat flaming death, facist media pigs!" - Skip Zipper ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:08:21 -0500 From: "Jack Bross" Subject: Re: Live Crim In response to Nealie McBean's post asking about Live Crim from the Wetton era (to wit: has USA and Great Deceiver. What next?): I think the Night Watch is worth having. Much of the material ended up on the SABB album, but I prefer NW to the studio album. Probably my favorite one-two punch of Talking Drum/LTIA2 on record, and lots of other good stuff. I prefer Central Park to Mainz. Both are ultimately similar to what you've already got, of course, so if you're looking to diversify you might want to wait. Mainz has Dr. Diamond, but you've already got that as part of GD. Central Park is probably a better overall performance than USA, and is actually live instead of fudged in the studio (though I love USA) -- the only downside is that it was recorded next to a talkative Audient. My favorite KCCC release from the Wetton line-up is the Zoom Club. This one is substantially different in feel and content from USA/GD, unlike the others mentioned. And while the long improvs sound potentially risky on paper, in fact they're pretty riveting stuff. Recording quality is something of an issue, but doesn't bother me particularly. The other KC line-ups are of course well worth investigating, too. The Epitaph box set is your best bet for the original line-up. Ladies of the Road is a good introduction to the Islands line-up, though my favorite disk from them is Summit Studios. Absent Lovers is a great live album from the 80's. The Broadway KCCC disk would be my recommendation for the Triple Duo (disclaimer: my least favorite line-up). And there's Heavy Construction from the current line-up. -- Jack Bross ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:51:17 -0000 From: "Alan Gent" Subject: Clarification on SCI Ticketing and KC Jason, well done for clarifying this and its worthy of debating so openly. It brings to mind the battle that Pearl Jam had with Ticketmaster about their tickets, which they ultimately lost, of course. It begs the question, is there anyway at all round this problem. From a UK perspective, I'm not aware of this problem to the same degree. Certain venues in Manchester use their own box office, or even if they don't, you can go down and just buy a ticket and then stand outside on the pavement and light a cigar based on the saving on the Ticketmaster booking fee. Bands should be bale to stipulate how their tickets are sold and under what financial constraints. Or is this all linked to the venues that they choose and the links THEY have. I become increasingly convinced that where Pearl Jam failed, the ticket buying public can succeed. (Somehow, I don't have an immediate answer) All I know is the customer IS King and when and where necessary we CAN overcome people like Ticketmaster. Right now I don't know how. Anybody?? Alan www.alangent.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:57:23 +0000 From: "Spear man" Subject: TM requirements, fave/crappy SF bay venues My fave venues are outdoors--several in the bay area come to mind from giant to small--shoreline, berkeley greek, mountain winery (a few skeeters not too annoying) and the amphitheatre on mt. tamalpais. Also the back green at Osher Marin JCC. Fuss about TM requirements of KC to have a fan club--why? KC did have a fan club--anyone remember KCCC? merely a subset of KC fans I suppose (what fan club isn't?--except the one on your mind)--it didn't charge $15/annum, but more like $96 and you got 6 CD releases to boot.... And what's wrong with a live CHAT with fans?, I mean if KC members can go around the globe say to Japan for example for press meet-and-greets--something as lame as a live chat can certainly be pulled off and hell if you've a savvy enough fan--say sid smith--the band wouldn't even really need to show up (if text-based only) he'd answer and none the wiser. These hoops aren't so large--certainly when compared to what fans must endure to jump thru said hoops to get tickets for what can be mediocre venues and what they endure before/during the concerts--long waiting lines for virtually standing room only shows, poor lighting--can't really see the artists--smoke machines, lack of decent sight lines, no flash photography, no taping, no smoking, high priced drinks--no fun! now how 'bout the crappy venues KC has performed in thread?--take the warfield theatre for an example. Berkeley Coomunity Theatre isn't far behind--terrible sound courtesy of TOOL. In the Bay area, good ones for fans at least have been Marin Civic and Berkeley Zellerbach Aud. And for the projekcts if you must stand--I liked the 7th note and the great american music hall and palookaville (now defunct) --spearman ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:42:06 -0600 (CST) From: Joseph Shelby Subject: Crimson @ the Birchmere -- expect things to be different The Birchmere isn't a rock club in the same sense as the 9:30. They often deal with jazz, country, and folk artists as well, and have a very different approach to things. First timers can sometimes be a bit jolted by things (certainly, many Marillion fans were back in '95). The place is divided up into two rooms, plus the gift shop. The outer room has the bar and a dance-floor stage area, with lots of other tables. From there you can see into the rooms where they brew Virginia Native brand beers that they serve (along with some standards like Guiness and Harpoon and Seirra Nevada, plus some of that yellow stuff, too (what, me a beer snob? nah...)). Plenty of hard-liquor choices as well, but pricey of course. The doors to the whole place including the ticket booth (which is totally indoors) will open at 5. The doors to the inner hall (all table-seating, more like a dinner club than a rock club) will open usually around 6. To avoid making everybody wait in line inside, where they'd rather have people relaxing, drinking, and perusing the shop, they have a "take a number" policy. As you go in the front door, immediately go to the ticket counter to the left, whether you have will-call tix or not. Take a number. Only one person needs to take a number for a party. Once you have a number, you can relax and not worry about things. Around 6 (or when they're ready given that sometimes the sound-check runs late), they'll start to announce the numbers to go in. Inside is where you order dinner, more drinks, and chill 'til around 730 or so when the show starts. One person can save seats for others inside, but be polite and reasonable -- saving a seat in front of you just to have a place to stick your coat or feet is a bit out in a sold-out show). The tables seat 4 or 8, with a few 2-seaters on the sides. Note: 7:30 is 7:30 -- the shows @ the birchmere start on time, regardless of who hasn't gotten there yet (well, except when the band's late). They haven't had opening acts for most of the groups i've seen this past year, so i doubt there will be one. I've seen Steve Howe, Steve Hackett, Bruford/Levin, Allan Holdsworth, Marillion, and a vast number of celtic and celtic-rock artists there over the years, especially Fairport Convention (6 times since '95). Fripp's done soundscapes shows there before, opening for G3 (but Fripp was opening for most of the tour, not just this one night). General policy is to stay seated during the show, standing only to applaud between songs (if warrented), and the call for the encore (if Fripp and guys decide to have one). Birchmere has a very explicit no-photos, no-recording policy. No dancing and no long-term standing is allowed inside the main stage room, due to fire-marshall regs (which will likely be more strictly enforced in reaction to the Great White gig last week). A few of the folk groups try to nudge the stodgy fans out of their seats, but rarely with success. Its waiter/waitress-based service, and yes, at times its annoying during quiet-bits or towards the end where the check comes in the middle of the encore, but one gets used to it i suppose. The food is quite good; considerably better than typical pub-grub. Parking should be adequate, unless this snow still hasn't finished melting by then, or we get another round. The spots facing the building directly are two-spaces deep -- don't park there unless you're going to stick around late. Though the place usually has autograph/meet-the-band sessions out in the main hall after the show, I wouldn't expect that with Fripp/Crim. If you come expecting an autograph, you haven't been reading ET nearly long enough... Joe -- Joseph Shelby mailto:acroyear at io dot com http://www.celticdistrict.com/ http://www.io.com/~acroyear ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 23:00:57 +0100 From: "A.D." Subject: At least the froggies aren't anti-KC Dear Kcomrades, >From: "Christophe Coutant" Subject: TPTB "TPTB is now out in France and according to those men who are selling Cds it is very well welcomed." Oui, en effet. Oops, I meant yes indeed - I was there when the disc shops were opening last Tuesday (day of the French release) and it really was an event. We were a bunch of fans waiting to get our hands on TPtB and "Dangerous Curves" was playing when I bought the album. There was 750 albums in stock, much, much more than for previous releases (I had asked a member of the personnel the day before). Now, I wouldn't say there's a KC craze in Paris... but then again, in my circle of friends, there really is a sort of hype. In a matter of months, close and not-so-close friends have become KC fans, some are getting close to becoming freaks. Even my sister is into some of the early stuff. Alas, I have not quite managed to convince everybody but most metal, jazz and "intelligence dance music" fans have admitted getting to like this "weird" music. (Pop fans too, well sometimes.) Oh, and please, don't despise the French ... at least not for KC-related reasons. Who knows, maybe all this promotional effort (namely "Fnac" disc stores and magazines such as Rock Hard) will have some longstanding effect on at least the fraction of the French record-buying public which is open to quality music... Sorry, I'm going to talk about myself just a wee bit more (French arrogance I guess): a couple of weeks a go, there were student elections in my business school with tons of, hum, partying go on during the campaign. Who cares? Well, the thing is I got to be the DJ for a couple of hours and made a hundred of club-goers listen to and, yes, dance to the "Larks' Tongues in Aspic (Part III) / Thela Hun Ginjeet" sequence from Absent Lovers. (By the way, if you want to read a rave article on that album, check out http://starling.rinet.ru/music/king.htm but please try not get a heart attack if you fall on this crazy yet amazing Russian guy's reviews of "Starless and Bible Black" or "THRaKaTTaK" ;) That was quite an impressive sight. Anyway, before boycotting French products, remember that France does not boycott King Crimson. And that is a fact of life, A voidD, indisciplined. P.S. A couple of weeks a go, I sent an e-mail to a friend who currently only really knows the Cirkus live album (yep, he's a beginner) and told him I was to come late at a rendez-vous and that I was also going to come bare-handed and penniless because of an expensive Elle press meeting. Here's his answer: "Well, I'm rather bemused by your proeminent Indiscipline. First, you're telling me you might come late or even not at all, which would cause a Fracture in the Starless v.i.p. section for the Caligula Validation Party. Second, you sound more or less as a Neurotic(a) when you refer to an official "pot d'adieu" with your colleagues (what kind of business are you in anyway? Publishing or Heavy ConstruKction? I thought you only worked with Ladies Of The Road...) as if you were In The Court Of The Crimson King or some other business involving Easy Money; Three(Of A Perfect Pair), you display the manners of a Dinosaur by suggesting you will be incapable of bringing either food or drink(instead of just telling me you're in the Red). After all this Elephant Talk, you can imagine my Deception Of The Thrush; and I wouldn't be surprised to suffer a Sleepless night knowing you didn't show up... Whatever your decision, just try to aVoid being such a 21st Century Schizoid Man. Here are is the Coda: Marine 475 (*****) and I hope you'll come tonight anyway just to enjoy the Cirkus. Regards, SeneKctus. " ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:35:42 -0600 From: "Marc Gonzalez" Subject: Cat Food ET-er's, I'm not very familiar with pre-Bruford KC (Cat Food especially), but someone mentioned that the possibility of KC playing Cat Food on this tour would suffer without a piano player. Don't you think Bob or Trey could slap on a piano patch on their guitars and go for it? I know I've heard several piano style runs on P3, ThrackAttack and TCOL....... I'm sure those talented guys can do Keith's piano runs justice or add a great twist of their own. Marc Gonzalez IS Customer Service Ochsner Foundation Clinic 504.842.7881 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:47:28 -0000 From: "Wafo" Subject: TPTB There was never a better time to be a King Crimson enthusiast. I have just listened through The Power to Believe for the first time, and it is STUNNING. There is so much to say about this record, it's going to be hard to know where to begin, but having listened to the whole back catalogue recently while I've been waiting, even one listen proves to me it's the best album ever released under the King Crimson name. That an album can be so terrifying and so beautiful at the same time is absolutely staggering to me. Level Five is possibly the ultimate Crimson track - blending Red, LTIA and Thrak, with interlocking guitars too - but the percussion takes it one step further, making it so fractured, it's a startling opening. In fact, surprise seems to be the major weapon on the album, arising mainly from the percussion and the production - Pat Mastelotto is the hero/genius of the whole thing, and Elektrik is a real gem. Just stick your headphones on, turn it up loud and wait for it to make you jump, over and over. Facts of Life is a serious headbanger, and scared the shit out of me, even though it's quite funny really (like Happy With). But Dangerous Curves - wow. It's like being strapped to a conveyor belt going into an abattoir. And nothing prepared me for that final note - the most terrifying thing I have ever heard, like A Day in the Life from Hell. I'm almost hesitating to admit this, but the title track made me cry (both Parts 2 and 4 - the third one is just plain scary). To think, this record made me laugh, scream and cry in the same hour, and I really felt it. As if I haven't used enough hyperbole already - I'm going to stick my neck out now and say it. This is the best album I've ever heard. And I'm going to force everyone I know to listen to it. "Wafo" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:39:01 -0500 From: "Gus Sanchez" Subject: Re: Tour-Asheville-respect, to Robert For those of you going to the Asheville show at the Orange Peel on Friday the 28th, let me say welcome. If you're coming from some distance, you'll not be disappointed, especially if this is your first time in Asheville. I've been coming down here for the past five years before I moved here from NYC last November. The Orange Peel is quickly gaining a local (and not so local) reputation as a terrific place to see a show, and more and more established acts are booking shows here. Just last month Aimee Mann played here, and from what I gather, Steve Earle's gig was completely kick-ass last Friday. So, imaging my surprise when I learned KC was blessing us with their presence here. Just goes to show you you don't have to live in a big city like I did to see a great show. Just a word of warning: there is no parking lot on the premises, and parking is quite limited on Biltmore Avenue. Oh, and Asheville's public transportation is notorious for its non-existence. So, hope to see you all there. My wife, who knows absolutely nada about KC, has agreed to attend the show. So if you see a guy totally enjoying the show and a blonde woman standing next to him looking confused or terrified, say hello, won't you? Cheers to all, Gus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 02:07:38 -0800 (PST) From: Raymond Raupers Subject: Dis'd in the desert, bo'rd in the b'rain. The Brit' could travel better. And write a lyric more than last. But that would be gettin' wouldn't it? And if the valley's sun warmed a stoic core, Adrian would have to learn 'em somethin' to do with themselves. Without spillin' any money about. Later, Rockabilly Ray [ Zany. --Toby ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:18:57 +0100 From: Roderich von Detten Subject: tptb -review in "the times", england good evening hippies, this is from a review of TPTB by David Sinclair, found at "the times -online" (www.timesonline.co.uk). the reviewer compares the new krimson cd with new releases by "thomson" and "matchbox 20". to whom it may concern: "While the youngsters wallow in the sounds of the past, prog-rock warhorses King Crimson sound miraculously up-to-date on The Power to Believe (Discipline Mobile Global/Sanctuary), an album of material previewed on live and studio EPs released in the past couple of years. The current line-up, featuring Adrian Belew (guitar/vocals), Robert Fripp (guitar), Trey Gunn (weird bass-type instruments) and Pat Mastelotto (drums) harks back to the bands Discipline era of the early 1980s. But their current sound is every bit as powerful and relentless as modern ultra-rock acts such as Tool and Rammstein who have undoubtedly been influenced by Crimson in the first place. The standout track, Level Five, is a perfectly constructed instrumental of Wagnerian intensity, an orchestrated rain of metallic hammerblows delivered in a tricky time signature which would not sound out of place as the soundtrack to one of those PlayStation games such as Dynasty Warriors. By comparison, Eyes Wide Open has a gentle, ethereal touch as Belew muses on the meaning of lifes choices. Some of us kill what some of us eat, he sings with rather more menace on Facts of Life. When it comes to survival, King Crimson have proved a lot fitter than most." 4 out of 5 stars greetings roderich ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1097 *********************************