Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1093 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1093 Saturday, 15 February 2003 Today's Topics: GIG BIZ: get good tix for LA Wiltern Show Nuovo metal in London this week! Trey Gunn gets famous! Request for KC Re: Crimson in da South Re: Club 16 Live in Berkeley Replacement? Hugh Hopper / Attention Deficit / lipsmack Re: Club 16 Live in Berkeley Replacement?; Bruford/Levin + Trio...of questions! New Iain Ballamy Interview w/Commentary on Bruford Re: Questions Re: Soundscape on 'Happy' Re: KC TPTB tour, et #1092 The Power to Believe review; Brian Eno Opening Acts Opening Acts New Address, New Forum live ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 19:11:21 -0800 From: Zachary Paul Subject: GIG BIZ: get good tix for LA Wiltern Show If you go to the Wiltern box office - open 3 hours before any event - you can get prime tickets right up front. I just went today and got fourth row tickets - far better than what's available through Ticketmaster, and SCI Ticketing tells me that they will not have tickets for this show. Just thought I'd share the tip. Zach [ Can I just remind ETers to please use "GIG BIZ: " or "GIG REVIEW: " at the start of their Subject lines, where relevant -- Thx, Toby ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 11:06:33 -0000 From: "D. Chinn" Subject: Nuovo metal in London this week! If anyone reading this is from London or south-east England (and is currently grinding their teeth waiting for KC to book/consider booking dates there), this is just to let you know that there's a Nuovo Metal-type event happening in London this week. The House Of Stairs art-rock label is putting on a couple of gigs. The one on February 12 (at The Underworld, Camden Town) is probably the one to go for. The bill includes the distinctly blood-"Red" instrumental bands Nought and Foe. The former specialise in a kind of KC/John McLaughlin electric art-rock roar fused with latterday hardcore influences from bands such as Nation Of Ulysses or Shellac. The second are a continually morphing, stripped-down math-metal power trio whose complex music falls between Don Caballero and "The ConstruKCtion Of Light". As part of the bargain you also get Scottish art-rockers Lapsus Linguae (something like a chaotic cross between Kiss and Van Der Graff Generator, would you believe) and the rather wonderful Defeat the Young (a sardonic Edwardian-styled art-rock/folk hybrid who are worth the price of the ticket alone - they're what Giles Giles and Fripp might have become had they grown up!) I should also mention the second House Of Stairs gig on February 17 at The Arts Cafe,Toynbee Hall, Aldgate East. This is a more acoustic night featuring William D. Drake (ex-Cardiacs keyboard person doing lo-fi alt.folk music), Stars In Battledress (Defeat The Young's slimmed-down, further-out alter-ego), an acoustic set from Miss Helsinki (intricate XTC/Henry Cow-styled psychedelic pop from ex-Monsoon Bassoon members) and a rare UK appearance from Cheval De Frise and their "highly-detailed acoustic-guitar-and-percussion pastoral mathcore". Anyone missing out on either gig (or who's living in another continent!) can get some idea of what the House Of Stairs ethos is like by picking up a copy of their new compilation "Useless In Bed" (only five quid, too - see http://www.houseofstairs.co.uk). This features most of the above bands, plus contributions from various American hardcore/art-rock fringe bands like Sweep The Leg Johnny and American Heritage, all of whom betray a certain post-punk Crimson influence (sometimes distant, but it's there...) cheers, and happy gigging wherever you are, Dann ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:48:30 +0800 From: Errol Tout Subject: Trey Gunn gets famous! I don't know if he is aware of this, but Trey Gunn has been quoted in a book. The book is Leach, Neil [Editor], 2002. 'Designing for a Digital World' Wiley Academy, UK. This book is based on the conference E-Futures: Designing for a Digital World, held at the RIBA, London, 4 June 2002. The quote is as follows; 'This is where the amateurs have an advantage over pros. A pro knows what he can deliver, and rarely goes beyond it. An amateur has no concept of his limitations and generally goes beyond them'. Trey Gunn, Road Diaries, Project Two, Discipline Global Mobile, 1998. It heads an essay entitled 'Roller Coaster Construction' which covers the joys of moving from a digital model of the Yokohama Ferry Terminal Building to the actual construction in the material world. The building involves hellishly complex geometry that would send a sane person screaming from the room if they ever considered the complexity of constructing the design of the building in question. Not only is the project rich in geometrical sophistication, but is actually quite beautiful. Nice work son. Errol H. Tout ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 19:13:56 -0500 From: "Peter Badore" Subject: Request for KC An open letter to all members of King Crimson, past and present: Currently, a thread has appeared on this site regarding requests for more details revealing your privacy. Of course, if you comply, that is your choosing, but from my view, apparently biographies, interviews, weblogging, diary entries, and the like are not sufficient for these people. In this age of disrespectfulness, I suppose it was bound to happen. I would like to make an alternative request in a similar respect. Could I please have all the money you have ever made over the years with and without Crimson? Gross earnings, of course, converted into American currency. I noticed that was also something Sid Smith didn't go into too much detail. Please contact me at the above e-mail address for mailing instructions. I await every converted U.S. penny. And I promise I'll never complain about ticket prices and concert lengths again if I get it all. Wondering what's also in the fridge, Peter Badore (Why do I just know someone is going to take this seriously?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 20:28:20 -0600 From: "Buzz Fenner" Subject: Re: Crimson in da South VincentDeBoule at aol dot com The tour dates/locations have me worried, as I live in South Florida. Especially since in 1995 (long before I'd even heard of Crimson, and when I would have been much too young to appreciate them), they played at Sunrise Musical Theater (according to THRaKaTTaK tour booklet), which I lived about a mile away from at the time. I'm really hoping this isn't the COMPLETE tour list. You and me both. I live in Northeast Arkansas; the last time a King Crimson visited Memphis was the early 80s opening for Foghat for crying out loud. Wasnt interested in seeing a blues-cum-hard-rock band, but had I only known who the opening act was Buzz Trust me, I know what Im doing Sledge Hammer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 03:51:45 -0500 (EST) From: david craig Subject: Re: Club 16 Live in Berkeley Replacement? Been wondering about that ... I even called them up and gave them my change of address. David Craig ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 11:33:05 -0000 From: "D. Chinn" Subject: Hugh Hopper / Attention Deficit / lipsmack And while I'm making recommendations... Hugh Hopper's new album "Jazzloops" (out on Burning Shed) is a rather wonderful thing. It's basically him (bassist out of Soft Machine, Soft Heap, Isotope, etc etc) plus a kind of virtual jam band he's assembled from his extensive tape archive of musical parts played by various associates and allies fro the Canterbury scene and beyond. This includes performances by Elton Dean, John Marshall, Didier Malherbe, Robert Wyatt, Steve Franklin, Pierre-Oliver Govin, Patrice Meyer, Nigel Morris, Simon Picard, Kim Weemhoff and others. It's quite remarkably consistent - although all the pieces have been edited together from disparate sources, you really can't see the joins. For anyone whose interested in the Canterbury art-rock end of things and likes a bit of avant-groove, this is one for you. Details at http://www.burningshed.com - and while you're there, think about getting Theo Travis/Mark Hewin's "Guerilla Music" which has next to nothing Crimsonic about it but is nonetheless gorgeous beyond words. I'd also like to put in a word for Attention Deficit's "The Idiot King" (on Magna Carta and already a couple of years old, but what the hell...). They're a power trio of Alex Skolnick on guitar, Michael Manring on bass and Tim Alexander on drums, and present something of a Crimsonized version of American jazz-fusion. The music is more fluid and slinky than Fripp would allow, and full of lovely bits of tension and release. One for Bruford Levin Upper Extremities fans who fancy a bit of Nuovo Metal rough, I suppose. More info on http://www.magnacarta.net if you want it. Good to see The Flaming Lips making an appearance in ET. Has anyone else noticed the strain of latterday alt.rock bands with about a decade of albums behind them, who now seem to be mixing very early '70s prog in with Americana? The way The Flaming Lips sound like the meeting point of The Beach Boys with "The Yes Album"; and how Mercury Rev currently sound like The Band playing "Nursery Cryme" with Neil Young up front? Dann ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 10:26:18 -0500 From: Gary Davis Subject: Re: Club 16 Live in Berkeley Replacement?; Bruford/Levin + At 12:04 AM 2/8/03 GMT, James wrote: >"We also plan to send a free remastered reissue of Club 16 Live in Berkeley >to all those with existing memberships as of April 1st, or anyone who >received any of Clubs 16-19, as an acknowledgement of their patience during >a change in our process." > >Did this ever happen? I never received anything but I've moved house in the >meantime so it may have been lost in the mail. I got 16 when it first came out, but I never received a replacement. And Dr. Howard wrote: >Greetings Geeks >I thought that before the Bruford/Levin thread unravels I'd mention for >those who may have missed it David Torn's Cloud About Mercury, which came >out in between TOAPP and VROOM..'87ish, I believe. I have concert photage >from this tour (which also features Mark Isham- Mick Karn replaced Tony for >the tour) and these guys cooked! Was Mark Isham actually with them? I did catch that tour in Cleveland and at the time they had Michael White on trumpet. While it was a great show I, unfortunately, did not catch the entire show. They were billed as having two shows that evening and I bought tickets for the later show. However, when I arrived expecting to stand in line while the first show finished, I was told I could go right in because the later show was cancelled. I ended up missing half the show. I was not a happy camper. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Artist Shop Radio Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 22:00:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert J. Fries" Subject: Trio...of questions! 3 KC questions I've been meaning to ask (and a comment at the end): Where can I find the lyrics to the live version of 'Starless' on TGD? (or whatever version is on Cirkus) They don't quite match up to the lyrics on ETWeb, and I know there are differences even between performances. Thanx in advance. Again on 'Starless,' I remember seeing something like the "tab" for a mobile phone somewhere on ETWeb, but I can't seem to find it now. Can someone either email it or direct me to it? Or even just the notes would be enough, I think. (like qA#eBCD, where q=quarter notes, e=eighth notes, or something similar) I don't play guitar (or know anyone who can read guitar tabs) so I have no idea what's going on in the tabs posted. Back to the present, were any of the bits from "Clouds" on Happy... used on The Power to Believe? I really thought some of them were pretty neat and would rock if they were developed more. I really like Happy... as an album. I think it's really 'balanced.' It's got the haiku-things to space out the songs (unnecessary but not unenjoyable), some real rockin' songs, along with the scrambled blues, and Eyes Wide Open is a real gem IMHO. Further, I think the track order also really plays a part in this balance. First, an intro haiku, then right into heavy stuff, (then the haiku slightly revised in between), a beautiful soundscape, ... I can't think of any sufficient adjectives right now. And I hadn't heard any of the songs before (bar LTIA IV on TCOL), if that makes a difference. Waiting for DC tour locations... - Buddy Fries ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:33:21 -0800 From: "Anil Prasad" Subject: New Iain Ballamy Interview w/Commentary on Bruford Hi folks, Innerviews has just published a new interview with saxophonist Iain Ballamy, formerly of Bill Bruford's Earthworks. Along with detailing his recent activities, the article includes discussion of why he and Django Bates left Earthworks in 1992 -- something I haven't seen chronicled elsewhere in any depth. Other commentary on his time with the group is included as well. You can check it out here: http://www.innerviews.org Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 01:58:44 -0500 From: "sportsterrpm1" Subject: Re: Questions Crimheads! Thank you Laurent for correcting me on LTiA IV. I listen and now I know! Good Ears!!! Rick & Ruthie in Salem N.H. Thank you for the ticket @ the orphium!!! And you're right!!! That is a strat on potato Pie... To the person who wants to know of a good soundscape... Check out the " Pie Jesu" EP... It's Good... One of Frpps better soundscapes... But I agree with you that "Mie Gakure" is one of his best yet!!! What Next??? Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:44:26 +0100 From: "Julien Laurencelle" Subject: Re: Soundscape on 'Happy' Marc, I may suggest you to get Robert's "Gates of Paradise" from DGM and, of course, to buy The Power to Believe, in which the last track (TPTB part IV) is another rendition of the soudscape you refer to. Julien Laurencelle > From: "Marc Gonzalez" > Subject: Soundscape on 'Happy' > > I was wondering about the soundscape on the > Happy EP. It is by far the best soundscape I've heard from Robert; I > find myself replaying it over and over. Can anyone recommend one of > Robert's Soundscape CDs that is on par with that one? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:51:49 -0600 From: "Golden, David J." Subject: Re: KC TPTB tour, et #1092 Rick posted: "I just hope KC will do an "extensive" tour in Texas so I can see them." and Chris Holderfield posted: "It sounds like King Crimson may also be touring later this fall...I read that in an interview with Adrian Belew (can't remember the URL..." Here's the url for the Belew interview: http://www.electricbasement.com/interview_kingcrimson_february2003.htm And I'm with Rick, I also hope they eventually find their way down to Texas. Houston would be particularly nice. :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:46:27 -0600 From: "Alexander Domrin" Subject: The Power to Believe review; Brian Eno Hello everybody - If this information hasn't appeared on ET yet, the latest issue of Sound & Vision magazine (February/March 2003) features an article "Art for Rock's Sake" by Ken Richardson. The author reviews several new prog rock releases, including The Power to Believe, as well as Yes / In a Word 5CD; Porcupine Tree / In Absentia; Spock's Beard / Snow; Dream Theater / Six Degrees of Turbulence; and The Flower Kings / Unfold the Future. On a different subject, did anybody notice Brian Eno's name among those 40,000+ signers of "Not In Our Name" statement protesting against Bush's new war and rapid transformation of America to a police state. You can see the statement and the list of signers in Chicago Tribune (Jan 13, 2003), The New York Review of Books (Jan.16, 2003), The New York Times (Jan.27, 2003; two full pages); USA Today (International Edition; Jan.31-Febr.2, 2003) and on www.nion.us I wasn't surprised to see names of Laurie Anderson, Jim Jarmush, Oliver Stone, Gore Vidal, Kurt Vonnegut, Susan Sarandon, Bill Frisell, Jane Fonda, Martin Sheen, Terry Gilliam, Yoko Ono, Graham Nash, Bonnie Riatt, and many other progressive American writers, actors, performers, next to Angela Davis, a radical black activist, a political prisoner, and a hero of the Soviet youth like myself in the mid-1970s. But Eno? Is he a U.S. citizen now? If he is still British, then why not protest against "Blair's new war"? Or maybe he does, and I don't know. Just wondering. I had a pleasure and privilege of meeting and speaking with Brian Eno in Moscow in 1987 and since then my attitude to him have got a warm personal touch. Regards, Alexander Domrin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:07:19 -0700 (MST) From: Troy Puls Subject: Opening Acts I would love to see King Crimson bring Lake Trout out as support for a tour. Lake Trout is an intense live act, but they rarely get out of the Northeast corner of the U.S. KC fans would be the perfect audience to expose them to. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 01:18:23 -0500 From: "sportsterrpm1" Subject: Opening Acts Crimheads; I haven't heared anyone mention 21st CSB as a possible opening act lately!!! These guys would be the absolute best choice to open for KC. You get the old and the new!!! How could you not enjoy this show!!! Has anybody heard if the two bands have talked about this? I thought Robert would be very encourageing to any past bandmates willing to reserect the old stuff ...And give them a hand to expose them to the perfect audience market... Alot of these people haven't heard of them yet...And most of us have the resources to support the work of both bands... Looking forward to Boston....Rick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:59:03 -0000 From: "Darren" Subject: New Address, New Forum Hi! A big thank you to all of those who came along a subscribed to the Frakctured Yahoo Group I mentioned a couple of issues back. Now there's a new place to hang out and discuss KC, yes it's the official Frakctured home page at: http://www.frakctured.net. Come on over, you know you want to! Darren ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:05:58 -0800 From: stgor at apricorn dot com (Steven Gordon) Subject: live I was wondering if anyone could send me a list of the most essential King Crimson live cd's from each era. Is there any material on the frame by frame boxed set that is not available anywhere else? 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