Reply-To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Discipline #109 D I S C I P L I N E The INTERNET newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 109, Friday, 1 October 1993 Today's Topics: David Cross name suggestions, S/F airplay Adrian Belew tour - venue clarification Discipline #108 KC bootlegs *new* standard tuning pros/cons The First Day bruford and king crimson post to the discipline list Names and string breaking The Compact King Crimson Fripp and Flea? A little tidbit.... Adrian Belew Re: Sylvian/Fripp in Bay Area Sylvian/Fripp in Berkeley [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Hi everyone. Many thanks to all of you who sent name suggestions. If you haven't yet done so -- please do! Keep them coming! To keep the Discipline traffic down, I haven't included all these messages in this issue, but next time I'll summarise. Thanks for your participation. -- Toby [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 17:43 BST From: ronc at cogs dot sussex dot ac dot uk (Ron Chrisley) Subject: David Cross Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 12:48:23 -0400 (EDT) From: MCGLINCJ at bcvms dot bc dot edu Subject: David Cross album? Has anyone out there heard anything about there being a new David Cross album out? Yes, it's called "The Big Picture". Pretty good, pretty intense and disturbing. Better than Memos from Purgatory. A friend of mine said that supposedly there was and that David was touring (he also supposedly played "Exiles", IMHO, one of the best Crimso songs of all time!). Rumor or Fact? Fact. I saw him in may, and will see him this weekend (opening for the Enid at the Astoria) Ron [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 12:13:05 -0500 From: nash at chem dot wisc dot edu (John R. Nash) Subject: name suggestions, S/F airplay Well, "Elephant Talk" springs to mind for a name for this list! [[ Yes, a number of you have suggested this! -- Toby ]] On another note, the station in Madison, WI that was playing "God's Monkey" for a while is now playing "Jean the Birdman." The latter seems to be getting more airplay, and the song is really growing on me... I haven't even called to request it (yet)! This station also plays "Heartbeat" from "Young Lions" from time to time; always interesting to hear Belew's different take on the song. It's only talk, john ----------------------------------- John R. Nash nash at chem dot wisc dot edu ----------------------------------- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 23 Sep 93 14:35:03 EDT From: Joe D'Andrea <76336 dot 1715 at CompuServe dot COM> Subject: Adrian Belew tour - venue clarification Erik, I noticed you put a (?) by the October 6th date for Adrian Belew's solo tour, so I thought about it for a bit...then I realized: It's the Club Bene in Sayreville, NJ, Annie Haslam's (Renaissance) favorite! (Is Adrian Belew allowing taping at all of these venues?) Joe D'Andrea 76336 dot 1715 at compuserve dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 11:44:39 -0700 From: rpeck at pure dot com (Ray Peck) Subject: Discipline #108 >Date: Tue, 21 Sep 93 14:31:38 -0400 >From: javasque at entropy dot bph dot jhu dot edu (Jaime Vasquez) >Subject: USA Sylvian & Fripp info. > >Hi, I called Sylvian's management people here in the US. There will be only >four dates in the US: San Fran, La, Chigago and NYC. Since the first two >are too far away I didn't bother asking exact data about them, sorry. ... >The tickets for Chicago went on sale 9/4. Hope this helps you. ARRRRRRRRGH! Does anyone have an SF date? I haven't heard a thing! [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 12:08:11 PDT From: steve at scopus dot com (Steve Yockey) Subject: KC bootlegs >From: "John M. Relph" > >I'm trying to get more information for the Fripp/Crimso discography. Does >anybody have more information for the following OREOs? Thanks, > > -- John > >KING CRIMSON > The Mince (Rainbow, London 1973) 2 CD > Get Thy Bearings (U.K. live & BBC 1969) 2 CD > Circus 1971 (live Academy Of Music, N.Y.) > Lament (Amsterdam 11/1973) Great Dane I have all of these. I'll bring them to work and report on them soon. > Live Orpheum Theater (Boston '73) This one I have at work already: King Crimson Live at Orpheum Theatre Boston May 4, 1973 Moonchild Records MC910102 It appears to be a German CD. Larks' Tongues In Aspic Pt.1 10:49 Easy Money 6:39 The Nightwatch 4:43 Fracture 15:07 The Talking Rhythm Box (improv)13:44 Larks' Tongues In Aspic Pt.2 6:33 21st Century Schizoid Man 8:01 Total time: 66:58 Track times according to liner notes (they seem to be slightly longer by my CD player). Sound Quality: nice quality audience recording, 7-8/10 You definitely get the concert feel on this disc. And the improv is very cool. Improvs don't seem to appear on a lot of the bootlegs out there. > 21st Century Schizoid Man (Amsterdam 1973) > Black Bible (Toronto 1974) > Atlanta 1973/Pittsburg 1975 > Return Of The Crimson King (Frankfurt 1973) > Songs For Europe (Amsterdam '73 & BBC '69) I don't have these. Most sound like rehashes of stuff I have on other bootlegs. more later.... -steve steve at scopus dot com ps. anyone know the fripp/sylvian San Francisco date?? [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 14:22:24 CDT From: oskardma at ukraine dot corp dot mot dot com Subject: *new* standard tuning pros/cons Chris writes: > I keep hearing references to Fripp's "new standard tuning." What is the > tuning? What are the claimed advantages? The most obvious advantage is that your range is increased on both the low and high ends. Another plus is that you have to get rid of all your old licks and reinvent your playing, unless you're already a stick player or a cellist. Chords are a whole new ball game of course--many of the old voicings are gone, but then you have a new set of possibilities to work with. ... and it's really interesting to see other people try to play your guitar. Disadvantages: Yeah, maybe you break more strings, but if you customize your gauges a bit, it's not that bad. What I do (instead of buying the custom Guitar Craft set) is to buy medium gauge strings, use the low 4, throw away the 2nd string (or use it to floss your teeth), use the 1st string as your 2nd (E) string, and buy an extra light 1st string for the G. As for the minor 3rd, I don't like it that much. I would be nicer if it were a 5th, but I don't think you could stretch the 1st string to a B without some major engineering. Take care, david [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 14:50:27 -0400 (EDT) From: MCGLINCJ at bcvms dot bc dot edu Subject: The First Day Finally got around to listening to The First Day, the new Sylvian/Fripp album. I really liked it ("Darshan" really is WAY too long, though). I thought the best one was "Bringing Down the Light" at the end- that one just blew me away. It's probably the best Frippertronics I've heard in a while. It would be great for a Ridley Scott film! :) Joe McGlinchey Boston College [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 14:34:16 -0700 From: David A. Craig Subject: bruford and king crimson as to why bruford isn't lined up for the crimso of the 90's ... i just read in (creem? terrible mag ... or ray gun, i forget which) that bruford couldn't be involved because he's still tied up with eg, not because of personal/musical conflicts. opinions as to the credibility of this story? also: someone post those west coast sylvian fripp dates !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and finally: anyone out there have the track listing for the opal artists compilation "assembly one" ? in particular, are there any eno tracks unavailable elsewhere? [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: rubli at udlapvms dot pue dot udlap dot mx dot ac dot uk (Ing. Alexander Rubli) Subject: post to the discipline list Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 18:04:41 -0600 (CST) From: Rubli at udlapvms dot pue dot udlap dot mx RE: Brian Eno List Hi, I opened a list recently of Brian Eno. Unfortuantely the beggining of this list was a little humpy, I will make this list in a digested format preety soon, The list is up and running right now and I apologize my naiveness and my errors and the unrelated messages in spanish. 'Honor thy error as a hidden intention' an oblique startegie by Brian Eno (just kidding) If somebody likes to join, please send a sub request to eno-l-request at udlapvms dot pue dot udlap dot mx I am setting up a ftp at udlapvms.pue.udlap.mx login anonymous pw=your ID cd pub/eno-l thanks -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= - Universidad de las Americas . - - P.O. Box 100 .. ...... - - Sta. Catarina Martir ... ....... - - Cholula Puebla .... ........ - - vox:(22) 29-2036 FAX:(22) 29-2140 ..... ... - - MEXICO ..... . - - computer department (CECUA) ...... - - ................. - - Alex Rubli ............... - - Rubli@udlapvms (Bitnet) ............. - - Rubli at udlapvms dot pue dot udlap dot mx (Internet) ........... - - LAIMEX.ULA03 (Applelink) ........ - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 03:14:08 edt From: Sheeran_F at ODG dot ceo dot dg dot com Subject: Names and string breaking New name: Crimheads? A recent new contributor refered to us as Crimheads; seemed pretty natural. Friends of Crimson? Desirously ambiguous as to whether "we" are the friends or whether the *topic* is the friends (like Eno, Gunn, Sylvian etc.) who have never been on a record with the King Crimson title. RE: tuning breaking strings: well, of course reasonable gauges are necessary! I was always meaning to get into the first semester Physics labs and make a chart of tension vs tuning for a good handful of strings - a typical set in typical tuning has more or less the same tension on all six strings - yes, about the same for high E to low E - and so we could cut out on some uneconomical experimentation by trying to achieve the same for a CGDAEG tuning. Anyone actually using such a tuning report on their guages as a starting point? I am thinking of buying a second guitar to use as this tuning only. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 14:16:58 PDT From: "John M. Relph" Subject: The Compact King Crimson Does anybody remember why the CD version of _The Compact King Crimson_ omits "Red" and "Cat Food"? Was it just the 60 minute time constraint on early CD pressings? The gatefold double LP includes both of those songs. -- John [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 15:48:13 -0700 From: Malcolm Humes Subject: Fripp and Flea? After the news that Adrian had auditioned for the Red Hot Chili Peppers I found it amusing to see that Fripp recently recorded with their bassist Flea. That's right! Fripp and Flea are guest artists on a new recording by Cheikina Rimitti (described as godmother of Rai, and Algerian form of pop music). Guitarist East Bay Ray (ex-Dead Kennedys) also joined them... I don't have any other details like label info or if this is even released yet. - malcolm [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: gtaylor%vme dot heurikon dot com%heurikon dot UUCP at cs dot wisc dot edu (Gregory Taylor) Subject: A little tidbit.... Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 16:32:40 CDT During a long talk with a friend in a position to know, the Fripp/Sylvian stuff came up. The word is that Ingrid Chavez is very close to due date for someone with 22 of David's chromosomes. The other bit of info is that the Grid are doing remixes of Darshan. There was no mention of any kind of release date. With every good wish, Gregory [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 16:25:43 BST From: Toby Howard Subject: Adrian Belew I just got this great news about Adrian Belew from a friend of mine, Phil Bradley, from Adrian's fan newsletter: It's been a long time coming ... but the news was worth waiting for: Announcing... "ADRIAN BELEW: Extremely Unplugged Tour 1993" This is Adrian Belew as you've never seen him - just Adrian, his guitar and dobro, alone onstage. Here is your chance to get closer to Adrian than ever before as he performs acoustic versions of past and new material and engages in conversation with the audience. In addition to the performance onstage, Adrian has recorded an album of acoustic music. Entitled, "THE ACOUSTIC ADRIAN BELEW", the cd will be sold at the concerts and through the Fan Club only. This special, limited edition disc will not be sold in stores, and once it is sold out, it is gone. Mail order details later in this newsletter. It's been a busy year since the Inner Revolution Tour wrapped up with a concert in Italy. Adrian returned from the tour and took enough time off to marry Martha shortly before Christmas 1992. Congratulations, Mr. and Mrs. Belew! He has also been busy working in the studio on his own material for a new record label (details on this in the next newsletter), as well as sessions with Sara Hickman, Nine Inch Nails, and his old buddies Paul Simon and most recently, Laurie Anderson. There have been seminars, conferences, and another trip to Mexico with CAIFANES (whose album is now certified platinum). There as a King Crimson rehearsal and writing session, with plans for the full-tilt reunion (album and tour) in 1994. Adrian has been so busy, in fact, that he had to give up on his plan to personally write this newsletter because he simply ran out of time. He will have plenty to say, however, when you see him face-to- face on the Extremely Unplugged Tour: 9/27: Club Metronome Burlington, VT 9/28: Iron House Music Hall Northampton, MA 9/30: The Paradise Boston, MA 10/1: The Bottom Line (2 shows) New York City 10/2: Theatre of Living Arts Philadelphia, PA 10/6: Club Bene Sayreville, NJ 10/7: Max's on Broadway Baltimore, MD 10/8: Wolftrap Vienna, VA 10/9: Grafitti Showcase Pittsburgh, PA 10/11: Kilgore's Cincinnati, OH 10/13: The Icon Buffalo, NY 10/14: Milestone's Rochester, NY 10/15: The Agora Cleveland, OH 10/16: Majestic Theatre Detroit, MI 10/18: Phoenix Hill Tavern Louisville, KY 10/19: The Vogue Indianapolis, IN 10/21: The Cubby Bear Chicago, IL 10/22: Shank Hall Milwaukee, WI 10/23: (TBA) Minneapolis or Madison, WI 10/24: (TBA) Madison, WI or Minneapolis, MN One final note -- we unearthed a very small number of the first Bears album on CD, and can make them available on a first-come first serve basis. The following order form can be used for BEARS cds or THE ACOUSTIC ADRIAN BELEW cd. PLEASE SEND ME ______ THE BEARS first album on CD @ $15.00 ea. ______ THE ACOUSTIC ADRIAN BELEW CD @ $15.00 ea. For immediate shipment send certified check or Money Order. Orders accompanied by personal checks will be held two weeks before shipping. Make checks payable to: "HAL BERNARD ENTERPRISES" SHIP TO:__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ Mail this order form along with payment to: HAL BERNARD ENTERPRISES / P. O. BOX 8385 / CINCINNATI, OH 45208 No Credit Card orders. For more information call 513 / 871-1500 --Roy DeRousse ------------------------------ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: trevor at netcom dot com (Sandy Santra) Subject: Re: Sylvian/Fripp in Bay Area Date: 27 Sep 93 02:15:46 GMT Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) The Sylvian/Fripp Berkeley tickets are now on sale. They're at Zellerbach on October 28 (that's on campus at UC Berkeley). Apparently the tickets are going fast. The orchestra seats are almost gone. I think the ticket price is $22.50 + 4.25 per ticket, with an additional $2.65 for processing an order. Michael Brook opens. -- sandy santra trevor at netcom dot com berkeley, california trevor at well dot sf dot ca dot us [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 15:59:33 PDT From: "John M. Relph" Subject: Sylvian/Fripp in Berkeley Yes, I too have purchased tickets to the Berkeley Sylvian/Fripp show. So who else here is going? Shall we meet there before the show? Maybe I should wear my Discipline shirt... Or my Craft pin... -- John [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] To join this mailing list or have your thoughts in the next issue, please send electronic mail to Toby Howard at the following address: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk The Discipline archives are available on ftp.uwp.edu, in /pub/music/lists/discipline. The views expressed in Discipline are those of the individual authors only.