Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1087 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1087 Friday, 31 January 2003 Today's Topics: GIG BIZ: Krimson ConneKctions page Re: Privates Lives Re: Seeking an Answer... Re: Private Lives dodgy CDs Re: USA CD help please Re: Using KingCrim in school projects tptb - review in german rolling stone mag Re: USA CD help please Levin/Bruford/ABWH Live Correction we ain't communists Re: USA CD help please Re: Seeking an Answer My response to Toby's malicious remark Belew, Carey and Claypool. Bruford and time. Discipline, Levin/Bruford, et#1086 Club 21 Re: CD Durability Downloading / copying cds Texas; Britney Re: Seeking An Answer ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:36:47 -0500 From: dave Subject: GIG BIZ: Krimson ConneKctions page Hey gang... With the tour upcoming, a reminder that http://www.midnightmecca.com/crim/fsguest.html is awaiting posts from/for Crimsos going to shows that want to find others needing or having spare tix/hotel space/etc to swap/sell/share, or even just to meet up! Drop in and check it out... Thanx Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:47:08 -0500 From: "Mark A Stansbery" Subject: Re: Privates Lives Thanks to David Vella for an excellent dose of humor in ET #1085. That has to be the funniest thing I've read here since the occasional adventures of Norbert Fragg. Where is Bill Kent these days, anyway? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:17:57 -0700 (MST) From: checkman Subject: Re: Seeking an Answer... I sent the following reply to the poster: >You asked a question at the Elephant Talk newsletter: > >> What name did Angel use in RF ep The Empty Frame? > >You're not likely to get a useful answer, because RF here refers to >the "Rockford Files", and "ep" means "episode". I don't know the answer, >but there are websites devoted to television shows which include a >run-down of the episodes. > I only knew what the question was asking because my Dad watches RF. -- Christopher "HeKcman" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:40:33 -0500 From: J A Sontag Subject: Re: Private Lives >From: David Vella >Subject: Re: Private Lives >...Obviously, Dave has never seen "The Young Stalker's Guide to King >Crimson", by Mr. Sid Jones. Beautiful! It got me thinking: given most people's total unawareness of satire, I wonder if you posted this in a general music forum somewhere, how many people would be scouring the net looking for the "book"? Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:49:05 +0800 From: Errol Tout Subject: dodgy CDs Apologies if I sound like an old chook here, but I have read a number of posts describing headaches with scratched, and thus unplayable, CDs. I have found that there are plastic polishes available. Some of them are a cutting compound and allow you to polish the scratches off a CD and very often an unplayable CD may be brought back to 'active service' in this manner. They are available from plastics suppliers, and difficult to source form a supermarket or hardware store. It does not always work, as sometime the CD is corroded inside the plastic, but some of you may find this useful. If it will not resuscitate your CD, you can always polish the lid of your turntable with it, or make the jewel case shiny at least. Perhaps I should mention that I do not have shares in any plastics or polishes company. Best wishes to all Errol H. Tout ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:17:43 +0100 From: "Eddy de Causmaecker" Subject: Re: USA CD help please [quote] Unfortunately fellows, it seems to be a flaw in the American print. My copy (gatefold edition), bought directly from DGM, has NO defect. The music flows continuously just at the begin of guitar solo. It is a Virgin edition (CDVKCX12) and has a sticker printed "Made in Holland" in the back. Cheers, Diderot[quote] I have the same copy, but the flaw is not in the continously flowing of the music, but in the few seconds of dropouts, which are there, but not so strong that there are a few seconds of silence, the volume just slightly reduces a few times, I think it's so trivial, not worth mentioning really. Best Wishes, Eddy Flycatcher "I'm very happy playing the bass, playing what you might consider the normal function of the bass, as opposed to being a virtuoso soloist." - Tony Levin flycatcher at zeelandnet dot nl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 04:59:57 EST From: VincentDeBoule at aol dot com Subject: Re: Using KingCrim in school projects Heh, in my acting class, we do daily journals, drawing inspiration from instrumental music. Thanks to me, we've used LTiA Part 1, Industry, and GG& F's Suite No. 1. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:11:22 +0100 From: Roderich von Detten Subject: tptb - review in german rolling stone mag good evening hippies, to whom it may concern: here is my (clumsy) translation of a freshly published review of "the power to believe" in the german issue of the "rolling stone"-magazine (no.2; feb. 2003) "KING CRIMSON The Power To Believe Everything remains unaffected: Prog-Rock with flowery mysticism - up the pole The king is dead -long live the king: contrary to all expectations, Robert Fripp and Adrian Belew have sent the monarch, no more than undead in the past, on his way to the new millenium; and the anew reanimation has proved itself to be quite sustainable up to now. Line-up no. 6 (Fripp, Belew, Gunn, Mastelotto) seems to stand consolidated since the last studio-work, "The ConstruKction Of Light". It is audible from the new music, that the things now will happen regularly again - not in terms of chaotic incidential publications. The Ep "Happy With What You Have To Be Happy With", published last year, presented the slightly dated exceptional musicians in a jolly mood, presenting a (daft) blues, nearly incidental fragments of songs and laughter from the studio - we never came that close to the throne room of the crimson king. Even when there is nothing to laugh at on "The Power To Believe", Fripp and Belew try hard to find relaxation here -as you may hear. Being jugglers under the burden of proof on "The ConstruKction Of Light", on the new "The Power to Believe", recorded in Belew's studio in Nashville, they present theirselves as what they have been all the time: prog rockers with the tendency to the claustrophobic and the monstrous, scholastic [sic] and devoted to an ethos that from time to time resurrects with both NIN and Tool - but which is thoroughly an anachronism. The obscure, polyrhythmic (this term is a must in this genre) declined tone series of "Level Five" and "Facts Of Life" display, by all means, a level of energy, which Fripp evokes with a flowery (and daft) mysticism all the time. The drama of the umpteen notes, the angrily stamping art-metal-riffs, the calculated constructivism - everything is celebrated more cavalierly, more frankly, and more antiquated than the last time. Without doubt: The king is an old man. But after all, he lives. *** (3 stars out of five) Jorn Schluter" additional comment: my clumsy english is, in parts, a mirror of the clumsy german of the original review. best regards roderich ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 05:07:37 EST From: VincentDeBoule at aol dot com Subject: Re: USA CD help please That's odd... I bought mine (gatefold edition) at Borders (in US) shortly after its release, and there's no defect. Maybe it's not specifically related to the US printing. On a somewhat related note, my jewel case In the Wake, Lizard, and Islands say "King Crismson" on the side, while nobody else I've talked to seems to have this typo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 05:41:17 -0500 From: "Neil Wicker" Subject: Levin/Bruford/ABWH Live Correction Josh Chasin Posted: "It has served as a reminder of how much I enjoyed the '81-'84 Crim, how much warmth and texture and color the Levin/Bruford rhythm section brought to the table (as a controlled experiment, you can hear them together elsewhere, e.g. that live ABWH album)." The ABWH live album "An Evening of Yes Music Plus..." features Jeff Berlin on Bass, not Tony Levin. I beleive Tony left the tour due to illness. Cheers Neil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 06:06:41 EST From: GORTAY at aol dot com Subject: we ain't communists In ET 1086 John Spannaus says, "As for your plea to people not to discuss the new album until "everyone" has had a chance to hear it.... I really disagree.. This is America and we ain't communists.". Fidel Castro says, "drat and double drat, my plan of bringing the accursed Americans to their knees by discussing albums before they have been released has been foiled". Karl Marx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:35:10 -0500 From: Gary Davis Subject: Re: USA CD help please At 06:20 AM 1/31/03 GMT, Diderot wrote: > >and Michel Champagne replied: > >> Hmmmm, I see what you mean - I have the same 'defect' on the mini-LP >> gatefold version. (...) > >Unfortunately fellows, it seems to be a flaw in the American print. > >My copy (gatefold edition), bought directly from DGM, has NO defect. The >music flows continuously just at the begin of guitar solo. > >It is a Virgin edition (CDVKCX12) and has a sticker printed "Made in >Holland" in the back. > For the mini-LP sleeve releases of USA (and all the rest of the KC remastered catalog for that matter), there are no American prints. Caroline just brought in the Holland pressings. They all have that same 'made in Holland' sticker on the back. On another topic, has anyone heard the CD GHS3 by Frank Gambale, Stu Hamm and Steve Smith? There's a track on there called The Great Roberto which is an hommage to Robert Fripp. Kind of a neat little piece with very obvious Crimson references. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Artist Shop Radio Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:15:41 -0500 From: Brett g Porter Subject: Re: Seeking an Answer Hm. "RF" = "Rockford Files" (American TV show from the 1970s) "ep" = episode "Angel" = Rockford Files character, played by Stuart Margolin. "The Empty Frame" = title of a Rockford Files episode originally brodacast Nov 17, 1978, written by Stephen J Cannell, directed by Corey Allen. Google is your friend. -- // Today's Oblique Strategy (c Brian Eno/Peter Schmidt): // Consult other sources -promising -unpromising // Brett g Porter * BgPorter at acm dot org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 00:30:44 +1000 From: "prof. Dawid" Subject: My response to Toby's malicious remark Hi I am writing this post as my respond to Toby's final remark at the end of my last post concerning KC's private lives. If my understanding of English is correct what he meant was that I should keep off such things as personal lives of the members of KC. This is why I asked about that. 1) The subheading of this newsletter is "for KC enthusiasts". I call myself a KC enthusiast and that's why I want to know as much as possible about the group itself and the people who create that music. Where, as not here, can I get information that I'm interested in? It's ridiculous for me when some people call themselves fans of a band and at the same time they don't even know the names of the band members. 2) If you visit a library or a bookstore, you can easily find a shelf with books known as biographies. I am sure that each book contains at least one chapter devoted to the private life of the character described. Either it is Hitler, Picasso or Morrison or Beckham. To understand their lives (political, artistical etc.), you have to know the background. 3) When I was 15/16 I loved Deep Purple. When the conflict between Blackmore and Gillan appeared I wanted Blackmore to stay as I thought that Gillan just wanted to be a leader and was too bossy. After I read their biography I understood what kind of people they are. If I ever had a chance to go for a drink with one of them, what do you think who I'd go with? The one who left 4 wives to live with the 5th one or with the stable and loyal husband to his first love? This knowledge helped me understand what kind of human beings they are. 4) Without knowing personal details of Neil Peart's life I'd still be pissed off with Rush stopped playing for 5 long years. 5) When you are touched by a piece of art (a book, painting, song) you want to know more about it. You want to know how it was created, who or what influenced the author, what the circumstances were like etc. Can't a few facts from their lives put some light upon the understanding of the process of creating it? Can it be easier understandable? 6) If I know that Mr. XY has a family, lives in a city Z and likes jogging, at least for me, he becomes a human just like I am. He's no longer an unreachable idol, star or even god. With respect Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:51:37 +0000 From: "Dale cleary" Subject: Belew, Carey and Claypool. Bruford and time. Hello all. I have not had much of a chance to read ET of late so I am unsure if this info' has been posted here. Adrian Belew, Danny Carey and Les Claypool are recording an album. That is all I know I'm afraid. I would also like to know what Tim meant when he said Bill "Could" keep time. Do you mean steady tempos ? I think Bills time is superb. When he plays against and around the time, the time itself continues and his tempos remain rock solid. This technique that he was instrumental in making popular goes on quite a bit these days. Bye all. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:05:34 -0500 From: "Thompson T. Terry Jr." Subject: Discipline, Levin/Bruford, et#1086 Hi Josh: A correction to your post in Elephant Talk #1086: The live ABWH album, "An Evening of YES Music Plus" doesn't have Tony Levin on it. Tony was ill at the end of the tour and former Bruford bandmate Jeff Berlin filled in for him. It is Jeff who was playing the night they recorded the ABWH show which is on the album; it is Bruford's and Berlin's interplay you hear. Nevertheless, the Discipline-era band were quite compelling and startlingly different from earlier KC incarnations and their subsequent evolution. It is the phase of the band when I first bought a (then) current KC album, and I frequently come back to them. You might enjoy the further collaboration of Bruford and Levin as BLUE. Check them out for some smoking performances, both studio and live (BLUE Nights). be well, TTT Thompson T. Terry Jr. tterry at palisade dot com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:26:34 -0500 From: bruce higgins Subject: Club 21 I'm only about 2/3 of the way through my first listen to Club 21, but it is something of a treasure. Just to hear those four guys playing an albums worth of music I have never heard before is a long-standing dream come true. It makes the unexpected and most irritating wait due to the insertion of the execrable Club 12 into the release cycle all worthwhile. However, given that the tracks are just jams, really, the disc has a fragementary, incomplete feel to it. Since some of the tracks are clearly related to album tracks, I'm tempted to make a Franken-disc, where I'd take tracks from 3oaPP and Beat (but probably not Discipline, I only have so much heresy in me) and digitally splice Club 21 jams into their middles. I think there's a monster version of Waiting Man to be assembled ;-) Or given the just slightly so ratty sound quality, maybe I should operate on Absent Lovers. If anybody has suggestions about what Club 21 tracks might best mate with which album tracks, I'm all ears...or eyes... (NOTE: Just to be clear. That I find the disc to feel 'fragmentary' and 'incomplete' and the sound quality to be slightly subpar (4 maybe 4.5 stars, not so bad at all) should in no way be interpreted as criticism or disappointment. It is simply the nature of the beast and no more or less than could be reasonably expected of 20 year old unreleased studio rehearsal tapes. I give this release a ringing endorsement. Get your copy today!) B___ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:07:23 -0500 From: J A Sontag Subject: Re: CD Durability Said Steven Paul Rewa: "...I'd like to stand up and be counted among those who think that CD's are rather shoddy. I think I take really good care of my cds. I store them in their cases, I don't leave them lying around, and I do my best not to touch the surfaces. Regardless of what I do, most of them seem to have scratches or pock marks on them and they skip in my stereo." I started buying CDs in the mid-80s, and still have several from that time. I have never had a commercial CD get worse with age. I have scratched a few through my own carelessness - a sharp edge will scratch them without much pressure - but never have they been harmed through use. I do not, of course, question Steven's experience - I just wonder if there is another explanation. On the other hand, even well-taken care of LPs and tapes clearly deteriorate with use. The damage can be minimized, but not prevented - there is just too much direct contact with the medium. That is why I cannot agree with LP aficionados; the LP may sound as good or better than the CD the first time it is played, but the laws of physics make it inevitable that it will never sound quite as good after a couple hundred plays, while, at least in my experience, CDs can be played that often (and I do have albums that I've played that often over the years) and not lose anything. I wonder what percentage of readers have had negative experiences with CD life? I wonder what the cause could be of such a dichotomy? Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:09:40 -0500 From: Lesajima at aol dot com Subject: Downloading / copying cds In a message dated 1/31/2003 1:20:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, et at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk writes: > Ken suggests making copies of the CD's in case they go bad and > I've done this. It's a great suggestion, but I would point out that making > a copy and downloading a copy are the same thing. I've done > both and I > couldn't really have a problem with either. Anon, > -Steve I would disagree here. If you make a copy for your own use after purchasing the cd is much different than downloading a cd. In the former you have paid for the product.In the later you have not paid for the product. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:46:47 -0800 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: Texas; Britney >"Manek Dubash" "Texas? This is called 'extensive'? What about the UK, where it all started?" Anyone who has ever traversed Texas by car will know how extensive that mutha can be. >Britney, Whitney and Shitney Ah - the Three Bares - S. np: Chad Wackerman, Scream scottst at ohsu dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:59:29 -0600 From: MarkF Subject: Re: Seeking An Answer > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 00:17:07 -0800 > From: "Leanne Morton" > Subject: Seeking an Answer... > > The question that I have to find the answer to is: > > What name did Angel use in RF ep The Empty Frame? > > So far, I have been able to figure out that RF is Robert Fripp and the "ep" > is an extended play single... and the Song is Empty Frame. Leanne, you're way off on this one! :-) "The Empty Frame" was a 1978 episode of The Rockford Files (70s TV series), hence the "RF ep" abbreviation. Angel was a character on the show played by actor Stuart Margolin. Good luck from there, I have no idea what name "Angel" used in the episode. Maybe there's a transcript online somewhere. -- YesELPkCrimson (MarkF) MAFortFamattbicom _Cyberian Khatru: the sounds of alt.music.yes_ http://www.amycd.com http://www.cdbaby.com/amycd http://www.musicstreetjournal.com/amycd.htm ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1087 *********************************