Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1084 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1084 Sunday, 26 January 2003 Today's Topics: Recommendations for Live365 radio stations Re: Old school vs new school Flaming Lips Re : How should the "Industry" distribute music Red a trio, Not improv FW: Vicar theory # 3854 CGT, TPTB, and the music industry What are you listening to now? the new album Re: How should the Industry distribute music Kazaa Ade on Radio 2 Epitaph, Cirkus, Lark's Tongues , Red for sales ITCOTCK as poetry alone (Resend) CD Sales down but... New King Crimson Discussion Group Re: Kazaa Fripp on Lake's website Re: USA CD help please Re: ITCOTCK as poetry alone Forgotten Irish Crimson Fans :( Private lives re video material of LTIA Re: that Toyah article ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:22:24 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Hartley Subject: Recommendations for Live365 radio stations Elephant Talk wrote: > From: "Rex Fermier" > Subject: Recommendations for Live365 radio stations > > I was wondering what other stations at Live365 might be recommended by the > readers of this fine newsletter? Check out the Eargazm netcast, through either Live365 (search on Eargazm) or check out the website @ http://eargazm.com They once played all the Lark's Tongues in sequence! -- Joe Hartley - jh at brainiac dot com "Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I consider the capacity for it terrifying." --Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:23:35 -0500 From: "iteration zero" Subject: Re: Old school vs new school Flaming Lips >Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 09:47:25 -0600 >From: "Jonathon Smith" >Subject: Re: Old school vs new school Flaming Lips > > >Inevitably,the Flaming Lips sold out,watered down their sound > >significantly,eventually completely getting rid of all the electric > >>guitars and FX. > >Sure they sold out. I forgot that there were so many bands making The Soft >Bulletin back in the mid 90s. And that's probably why so many indie bands >want to make The Soft Bulletin now. > >I like their old stuff, but there's no way in hell you can insinuate that >they sold out. I mean, who else was doing that stuff? I have to agree with Jonathon. I find it very disconcerting when an indie band gains some measure of commercial success and is immediately stigmatized as having "sold out". Heaven forbid they make money doing something they enjoy and in the meantime the masses get to experience something that's a cut above the current crop of soundalikes fed to them by the "industry". Equally distressing is when a band changes its "sound" and the same comment is made. People's tastes change over time. Not just people who listen to music, but the people who make music as well. They experience different influences and see things in a new light. It's a double edged sword : if a band doesn't change over time, their critics call them stagnant and a one-trick pony; if they change they risk alienating their fans. This is apparently what happened to the original poster. I'm sorry you don't like the Flaming Lips any longer. Move on. i0 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:26:39 -0500 From: "iteration zero" Subject: Re : How should the "Industry" distribute music >Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:33:06 -0600 >From: "Rex Fermier" >Subject: How should the "Industry" distribute music > > >From all reports, the sales of CDs is down again. The way of doing >business >in the music industry has changed from the last century. It seems that >people prefer to download their music off of the web for free, rather than >pay $15, or so, for a CD in a store. Unfortunately, there is no such thing >as a free lunch. Downloading music from file sharing web sites doesn't >compensate the musicians for all their work. And, if they aren't being >paid, why should they bother creating and performing the music we all love >to listen to? > >So here's my challenge to the readers of ET and the fans of King Crimson: >"How would YOU run the music industry in the 21st century?" > >Remember, you can't just "give it away." There are people that help that >need to be paid. For example; >The artists who write the music. >The musicians who perform the music. >The studio people who record, mix and polish the recordings. >The artists who create the nice packaging with their artwork. >The marketing/sales people who let you know the music is out there. >The distribution people who make the recordings available to you. >The accountants who keep track of the expenses. >The business managers who keep everything running smoothly. > >So what are you going to do to get the music out? I don't think it's fair to ask this question and then force the same cast of characters from the first business model. When you look at all the people you've hired into your model corporation, you're mimicking the current "big business" style of the music industry. Maybe the future is in smaller independent labels and online distribution, which would significantly downsize the list above. What am I going to do to get the music out? I'll let you know when my label is up and running later this year. i0 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 05:54:37 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Miller Subject: Red a trio, Not Gentle Readers, Three Crims on the cover does not Red a trio make. Listen to the music. Read the liner notes. I really miss Robin Miller and Marc Charig. Glenn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:19:51 +0200 From: "Rael" Subject: improv Hey all. Please excuse my ignorance, I'm only a 17-year old amateur at K.C. I was wondering to what extent all K.C.'s improvs are. Is there any degree of the song pre-planned beforehand or do they have a general idea and then extend on that idea? Thanks Rael Cline ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:24:48 +1100 From: "Keenan, Owen" Subject: FW: Vicar theory # 3854 >From Sid Smith's Diary at Krimson news... >Friday, January 17 2003 > >Inevitably, I came down with the stomach bug which had afflicted the boys >through the week. Compared to Tom's 24 hour chuck-upathon, this was minor .stuff. >From The Vicars Diary at DGM... >Thursday 23rd. January, 2003 > >Today at the Vicarage : The sickbay. > >This is the first time in three days that I have felt well enough to engage >with my computer. For two days, I have been enjoying the heights of >delirium. My mind has wandered freely while my body has remained safely >tucked up in my fine four poster bed, challenging the upper reaches of a >thermometer. > >Go on then, someone start the conspiracy theory... (I'm not saying a thing) > >Cheers, >O! Well, it's been awhile since I've posted here. I unsuccessfully unsubscribed so I'm just going to rant and rave while I still have the chance. Jon Lybrook in #1082 said the Calfornia Guitar Trio(whom I haven't heard much) has fully down-loadable albums with artwork on their websites. WOW and GREAT I say. I haven't heard much from them that would make me want to buy one of their albums so maybe this will be my chance. I wonder what all the anti-sharing whiners have to say about that--the artists themselves allowing people to have something for nothing. As far as the music industry is concerned--let it crumble. There's not much culture involved in it. Mass produce this, shove it down throats, repeat before anyone thinks too hard. For real though, if the music industry wants people to buy their cd's(cheap worthless plastic discs) they're going to have to take a little bit off of their profits. They are going to have to make every disc WORTH buying by making them all enhanced with videos or interviews or extra artwork. Get creative for christ's sake. Get small. Appeal to real fans, not consumers. Stop turning garbage into our culture. The Power to Believe may not be material that's been unlistened to in some form or another, but it is still worth checking out. I want the record though...I want to know I'm being given something of love and quality. I want to see that glorious artwork. I am so excited about this record, though. It's been a LONG time since anything worth my time and money has come through...Jeramaya "It's better to be smaller, stronger and whole than to be bigger, fractured and weak." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 22:29:47 -0500 From: John Garaguso Subject: What are you listening to now? >I was wondering what other stations at Live365 might be recommended by the >readers of this fine newsletter I would whole heartedly endorse Delicious Agony Progressive Rock Radio, www.deliciousagony.com, peace.str3am.com port 6140. They broadcast live 24/7/365. Besides the regular programming of music from every Crimson incarnation, they also excel at bringing the music of Tony Levin and Tre Gunn's solo works, Bruford's music through the years, the Levin/Bruford Upper Extremities project, and much more including live archived interviews you can download and listen to. Check out the recently archived interview with Bruford and Larry Fast. JRG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 22:46:52 EST From: AB72376 at aol dot com Subject: the new album I too am among the seeming masses that have managed to get their grubby little hands onto a promotional copy of The Power to Believe ... I would like to share a couple opinions on what I've heard... If you haven't heard any of these new songs in concert or on EP/live releases, you're in for an alarming experience - this is not the same Double Duo that left you with ConstruKction of Light. While I really did enjoy CoL, none of it really had any soul to it for me - it all sounded too mechanical and cold ... there is an attitude to this new music not present before; there also are some extremely pleasant moments here (which can't really be said for anything on CoL, which never really allowed the listener a chance to breathe a little between getting crushed). I believe part of this attitude is a credit to Machine and production - all the sound is captured in a very clear way. If you are familiar with these songs in their early stages, I think you will find that the band has managed to capture the absolute maximum out of all the new material they've toured and done a bit of improv with. I believe part of this is a credit to the Rhythm Buddies, who engaged in unprecedented (that is, in Crimson history) preproduction work. Most of the big changes in the songs from their early stages are within the rhythm section, which is absolutely fantastic throughout. Having attended several shows where new songs had been performed and having bought both EPs and the Nashville Collector's Club release I was a little afraid that the album would be something of a letdown since I had already heard all the songs, but I am pleased to report that my fear was completely unjustified. The bottom line is that this album rocks! Pat is a madman - his performance here is exceptionally creative and the album would feel terribly flat without his contributions. I've never heard a bass like this - I am a big fan of this new nylon string half-fretted half-fretless Warr guitar that Trey plays on several tracks. Adrian is in very fine vocal form and his guitar playing is extremely sharp - this has quickly become some of my favorite Adrian guitar work. I believe Ade also plays some electronic percussion on The Power to Believe II (which began life as Virtuous Circle; here it has emerged from an improv-ish sounding live piece as a true composition and is certainly a highlight of the album - the end really rocks after the vocal part). I will risk life and limb and suggest that Ade's work here is the most versatile performance on any album of Crimson's history. Robert's soundscapes are used more than ever before on a Crimson release - they are an ominous presence almost constantly rolling softly around on some songs while the other three hammer out a sinister groove. Robert also runs through some mighty fine guitar licks (especially on Facts of Life). There is a guitar solo near the end of Facts of Life that sounds to me something like a delirious, twangy take on the "banjo-on-acid" guitar solo on A Sailor's Tale that is outstanding - this really stomps around, this music means business! Dangerous Curves goes places for me that it never went in the early live performances. Level Five is just a monster - this album actually sounds like three years of work! To sum up my thoughts: I read somewhere a quote from Robert Fripp that said something along the line of this new work being the most definitive King Crimson album since 1981, I would quickly and emphatically agree with this thought. I hope others enjoy it as much as I have been - Have Fun! Syd ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 23:08:28 -0600 From: "John Spannaus" Subject: Re: How should the Industry distribute music The drop-off in record sales (which isn't nearly as dire as the record industry would have you believe) and the increase in internet downloads is the industry's own damn fault! They have been selling the CHEAPEST (not mention, LEAST DURABLE) product they can possibly put-out, and selling it for $20 bucks a pop! It's ridiculous.. It costs mere pennies (less?) to produce a CD and the cheap plastic case it comes in.. And on top of it all, this $20 cd scratches and breaks very, very easily.. Hell, most of the albums that I've downloaded, I DID buy once and the cd got scratched. I'm not going to fork out another $20 bucks to replace it.. Either CD prices need to DROP, or the record industry needs to raise their product standards if they expect people to pay current price for it.. Put some time and effort into the packaging.. I collect LPs nowadays because they are worth owning! A regular-priced cd (not just a $100 box set) should come in artful packaging, and be made into something worth keeping! Who keeps track of these cheap plastic little cases? No one. As long as the record industry is trying to get away with selling crap for a fortune, more and more people will see through their deception and simply download what they want.. Another thing is that if we are stuck with the non-durable cd-format for a while, record companies should make it so that buying the album once entitles you to download it (in high-quality format) anytime you want.. I went through about 3 Dark Side of the moons before I finally gave up and downloaded a digital copy.. And why not? Finally, as long as the record industry is creating these "pop-sensations" with one hit single and an album full of crap, why WOULD anyone pay for the full album? I have more to say on the topic, but I realize that this post is quickly turning into a ramble.. Sorry 'bout that.. Any thoughts? (on the post itself, not on my rambling problem) PS. Jordan Clifford, (GrooveHolmes394 at hotmail dot com), thanks for the heads up on the CGT show in CT.. I have family up there and I'm passing the tip on to them.. I, however, have to wait until September to see them! Have fun at the show. PPS. Bruce, (Leftsimeez at aol dot com) Sinfield's lyrical work is beautiful, and should work out great as poetry alone. Personally, for similar assignments (back in high school), I used work by Roger Waters and (to a lesser extent) Syd Barrett. For Roger, some examples might be Echoes, If, A Pillow of Winds, Two Suns in the Sunset, etc.etc. Pretty much anything he did with Floyd is gold.. Syd might be a bit harder, but between Piper, and his 2 (and a half) solo albums, there are some real gems. ("I tattooed my brain all the way") PPPS. Chris Cowan (ceez at bga dot com)..... "Howdy" from a fellow Austinite! The 7pm Mastelotto/Bozzio show was killer! (although there was a portion of the audience that didn't exactly appreciate it.. I think it was mainly people who hold season passes at the venue) Maybe I'll see you there September 5th, when the California Guitar Trio comes! I posted a URL link to my "review" (summation, really) of the show previously, but it didn't show up too well.. Here it is, along with a pic of my homemade Crimson poster signed by Pat: **** http://bbs.sonymusic.com/showpost.pl?Board=rogerw6 **** You might have to highlight it yourself if the link stops at the "?" again PPPPS. Tim (tfoster6272 at comcast dot net)... Whatever you say, Timmy, my boy. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:24:47 -0000 From: "Alan Gent" Subject: Kazaa Re Dave Bradshaw's views on Kazaa, I downloaded it briefly for my son (Student, no money) I hated the look and feel and the constant barrage of ads. He now uses WinMX which is neat, ad free and (he tells me) very efficient (And large number of KC downloads going on!) www.winmx.com By the way, if you suspect that you have adware lodged on your PC, have it checked out at www.parasiteware.com Alan www.alangent.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:01:11 +0000 From: Paul Timms Subject: Ade on Radio 2 Yeah it was Ade. I missed the show but fortunately Radio 2 are good enough to allow you to listen to the whole show on the web, using BBC's own player. Go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/album_show/index.shtml, then click on the "BBC Radio Player Listen Again" icon on the right hand side. When the window appears, click on the Album Chart Show icon and you can listen to the whole thing including Eyes Wide Open afterwards. It plays fine even with a 28.8k connection. When the sound kicks in, click on Skip 5 Mins and it will take you to about a minute before the King Crimson bit comes on. The interview lasts about 10 minutes with HWWYHTBHW playing in the background, followed by some of Eyes Wide Open (wasn't that a Yes album?) You'd better be quick though, the show is only up for a week until the next one comes on, so it will probably be replaced by Tuesday. After that, the interview will still be available on the website as a RealPlayer clip. Paul > Hi again > > It would appear I misled you into thinking that Robert Fripp was interviewed > on Radio 2. It would appear that it's actually Ade. Thanks to Paul Timm for > the info, and for the link to the websirte to hear it. If I can download > something that will actually work on a 56k modem. > > Cheers > Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 13:12:21 +0100 From: "Jean-Michel" Subject: Epitaph, Cirkus, Lark's Tongues , Red for sales I've got one copy of each of these items ready for sale. Very good condition. "Cirkus", "Lark's" and "Red" are the gatefold editions ; "Epitaph" is the first edition with 2 CD. Single CD : 9,00 including postage rates through European Community. Double CD : 12,00 including postage rates through EC. Private e-mail if someone interested. Jean-Michel ( jmg dot music at wanadoo dot fr ) FRANCE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:03:33 -0500 From: "Stick Man" Subject: ITCOTCK as poetry alone (Resend) Hi Bruce, I think a class on poetry and language woud benefit from a reading of "Elephant Talk". It's not romantic or overly evocative of rich images but it might yield some arguments, agreements, answers, and probably some articulate advice. Just a thought, Stickman PS: Another one to consider is "i carry your heart" by e.e. cummings. The piece was not originally written as song lyrics, the way Michael Hedges set these words to music on "Taproot" is a great listening experience. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 08:08:47 -0800 (PST) From: "J.R. Gattiker" Subject: CD Sales down but... Another thing overlooked (?) by the RIAA is that DVD sales are massively increasing. Market analysis shows DVDs come from the same consumer 'entertainment' budget as CDs. I don't have the ref at hand, but the actual numbers are very convincing. (from CommACM or IEEE Spectrum, both impartial and relatively reliable) z ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:54:51 -0000 From: "Darren" Subject: New King Crimson Discussion Group Hi! It is my great honour to invite you to a new King Crimson discussion group that's been set up on Yahoo. Please set your browser to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FraKctured/ and get ready to chat about some Crim. Hey, you can even bring your Robert Fripp records. Peace and good vibes, Darren www.mp3.com/lock ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:24:13 -0500 From: "Darin Lemieux" Subject: Re: Kazaa "Dave Bradshaw" wrote: > I believe that there does exist a "lite" version > that someone has hacked to get rid of the spyware. > I am somewhat dubious about the morals of using Kazaa. I have some > difficulty with the concept of stealing artists work, but greater > difficulty with the concept of someone on the other side of the world > making lots of money through faciliting this thievery (after all, the > spyware people must be paying them). Kazaa Lite (which can be found at www.kazaalite.com) is a gorgeous program. It's KAzaa with ALL spyware removed - causes no problems to your computer, and runs very nicely. As or the morals in using Kazaa, I feel it's not immoral so long as one still supports the artists they love (as I support bands like Pearl Jam, The Tragically Hip, REM, Phish, Oasis, and this other abnd I really like... ummm... oh yeah, that King Crimson group - I hear they're pretty good). For example, I download a song if it sounds cool, but I'm ont sure if I'm gonna buy the record. I f I end up downloading enough songs off the record and liking it, I buy it. This way, I still can support the music industry without dropping $20 on a CD that I'll only like 1 song on. See, when Napster/Kazaa/Morpheus/Whatever-other-sharing-program-is-out-there first came out, I figured it would be GOOD for music. I figured it would make artists take a bit more time to consider how good their records really are before putting them out, because now your main competition is the download. I figured it would make artisits take some extra time to give their record that extra bit of magic that will make people hear a song and go "wow - this is something I should buy". I figured it would be the end of one good song on an album. But alas, such was not the case - the mass media marketed mainstream still puts out commercialized crap month in month out. Ah well, so long as there's still music out there for me to enjoy, life's nice and all's well =) Take care, Darin ps - KazaaLite has a few users that have tracks off of Power To Believe. When you hear it, you'll want to buy it. I've heard some songs already, and must say I WILL be buying it. Eyes Wide Open is gorgeous, Level Five is VERY well done - good energy, nice percussion work by Mastelotto, and a track that sounds like a good mixture of Red, Larks' Tongues and THRAK themes, and Elektrik is vast improved over previous live versions, good job of keeping the pace up through the slower sections - this song is a nice cross between Discipline and Fracture-based themes. Now KCrim isn't really breaking any new ground here, but they're moving the puzzle pieces around and arranging them in a way that paints a nice picture to be sure. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:25:25 -0800 (PST) From: Wasser Dan Subject: Fripp on Lake's website I hadn't seen this mentioned in ET. Just a short snippet of Fripp, commenting on Greg Lake. Not real insightful, but it's there for you Fripp fanatics. http://www.greglake.com/newsite/html/fripp.mp3 Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 02:33:23 +0000 From: "Michel Champagne" Subject: Re: USA CD help please Jim Samuelian writes: > >Kindly put on your new "USA" CD and gently place your headphones on. >Skip to track 7 (Schizoid Man). Does your CD have a few seconds of >dropouts around 2:29-2:31 (around start of guitar solo)? > >Weird, since its perfect on the old Russian CD version of USA, plus that >version of Schizoid Man (Providence) is on Great Deceiver box, also fine. >My new USA CD is the US Caroline (in jewel case) pressing, if that matters. >Is this on everybody's, or did I just get a klinker? > Hmmmm, I see what you mean - I have the same 'defect' on the mini-LP gatefold version. I pulled out my old vinyl copy (a facsimile of which I must assume the Russian pirates were mastered from) and it's A-OK in this department. Ah well, something else to tell my wife when she argues that I should chuck the vinyl now that I have all these CDs (as if *that's* going to change her mind!) OK, Bob, when can we expect to receive our replacement copies?! :) Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 02:54:10 +0000 From: "Michel Champagne" Subject: Re: ITCOTCK as poetry alone Leftsimeez at aol dot com writes: > >So in my poetry class i have to recite 5 works. I can do a couple writings >from songs . . . I once used the lyrics to 'In the Wake of Poseidon' in a compare/contrast exercise with T. S. Eliot's 'The Waste Land'. I was a senior in high school and had forgotton to prepare for the assignment and remembered while showering that morning. Lucky for me I was so heavily into Crimso at the time that I knew the lyrics by heart! I worked it all out in my head while showering and, although I don't recall what kind of a grade I got on the paper, I remember quite clearly that my teacher didn't quite know what to make of ITWoP; he said something like, "I don't know where you found that, but it's interesting." I seem to recall that you have a fondness for the Zombies - I always thought that some of the lyrics from the 'Odyssey & Oracle' LP stood well on their own as poetry, perhaps minus some of the repeated lines, but 'A Rose for Emily' and 'Butcher's Tale' spring to mind, reminiscent (to me at least) of some of Robinson Jeffers' wistful lines, such as "Hurt Hawks," from which Mr. Mister borrowed a tad (but we won't go there...). On the other hand, I would think that Zappa's "What's the Ugliest Part of your Body" and "I'm the Slime" stand on their own as well, not to mention "Trouble Every Day." "Who are the Brain Police" might be pushing things a bit too far . . . :) Or you can ignore everything I've just written and go with your original plan! Best of luck - Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 03:18:32 +0000 (GMT) From: "Suzie :P" Subject: Forgotten Irish Crimson Fans :( Hi, I'm a young king Crimson fan(18) and am desperate to see Crimson live! Do they have a problem with playing in Ireland? As far as I know they have never played here. Will I have to travel abroad to see them play this year? My Dad and one of my best friends are also huge fans with the same concerns and all the record shops appear to sell Crimson's albums so it's not like there is no fan basis here. Is there any chance they'll ever play here?!? Thanks, All the best, Sue :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:45:55 +1000 From: "prof. Dawid" Subject: Private lives Hello guys Just wondering if you know anything about private lives of KC members? There's almost nothing in Smith's book on that topic. I'd like to know if they have any children, where they live etc. The only thing I know is that Toyah has been Fripp's wife since 86 and I don't think if he had any woman before that. Is there any source of information about that? [ With respect Dave, what business is it of yours? --Toby ] Cheers Dave -- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 07:58:58 +0000 From: "Spear man" Subject: re video material of LTIA >Video material of LTIA? Is it available, tell me where it is and I'll buy it's region two but you can find it here: http://www.groove.nl/cd/3/39589.html --spearman ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:46:50 +0100 From: "FS.Info" Subject: Re: that Toyah article http://www.femail.co.uk/pages/standard/article.html?in_article_id=112396&in_ page_id=112 "Your most memorable fame moment? Playing in front of 10,000 people in Belfast in 1981, at the height of the Troubles. The crowd went totally mental. They pulled the heels off my boots, and pulled out my hair. I got back on stage in only my tights and bra and had to be saved." Video, photos anyone??? [ Heels, hair, anyone? --Toby ] ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1084 *********************************