Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1083 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1083 Friday, 24 January 2003 Today's Topics: KC Interview Kazaa How should the Industry distribute music Robert Fripp on Radio 2 Pat and Terry live365 stations/kazaa/Michael Brook Review of the review of the review Longest posts ever ???? Bozzio/Mastelotto Seminar Review >like The Edge with a graduate degree in ethnomusicology. USA CD help please My last post ITCOTCK as poetry alone The Power To Believe Release Date Sylvian Fripp Boxed 24 carat Gold CD CD Sales down but... Re: How should the "Industry" distribute music CD Sales down but... Re: The League Of Gentlemen / God Save The King Recommendations for Live365 radio stations KING CRIMSON: BOWIE? Re: CGT in BPT?? Vintage Crafty and Gabriel stuff Trade ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:44:29 -0000 From: "Dave Bradshaw" Subject: KC Interview There is a link to the interview at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/album_show/album_interview_new.shtml but the link appears to be broken. I have emailed the website administration, so hopefully it will be fixed soon. If not, everyone bombard them with emails so that they get it fixed. Dave Bradshaw http://manchestercanoeclub.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:54:32 -0000 From: "Dave Bradshaw" Subject: Kazaa My daughter installed Kazaa on both our computers. I immediately noticed a slowdown and problems with my machine, discovered all the spyware and uninstalled it. Soon after that, my computer got worse and worse, and the only way I could fix it was to go for a clean installation of Windows. I was not happy, especially when I had to go through the same process on my daughters PC too. I am fortunate, as I keep the operating system on a separate partition to my program and data files, so I didn't lose anything except about four hours to reinstall all the software. So be warned before you install this junk. I believe that there does exist a "lite" version that someone has hacked to get rid of the spyware. I am somewhat dubious about the morals of using Kazaa. I have some difficulty with the concept of stealing artists work, but greater difficulty with the concept of someone on the other side of the world making lots of money through faciliting this thievery (after all, the spyware people must be paying them). Dave Bradshaw http://manchestercanoeclub.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:59:40 -0000 From: "Alan Gent" Subject: How should the Industry distribute music First off, there's a lot of baloney (That's English for crap) talked about downloading etc. In my collection I have 300 cassette tapes which consist of approximately 250 albums. These tapes were recorded during a 10 year period using "LP's" borrowed from my local library. That was during the late 70's and 80's and hey!! the music biz is still going. I didn't single handedly kill off aspiring artists. So, the point I'm making is that copying has always happened. Sure it wasn't as easy and widespread as it is now, but then we don't have the global wealth that is now being enjoyed either. I tend not to shed too many tears about copying or downloading as it is now. The music industry is awash with money which it uses indiscriminately. ($80m for Robbie Williams? c'mon!) Much of this is creamed off in corporate profit as the industry polarizes around a small(er) number of well known bands. For those of us who remember, the late 60's early 70's, it threw up an enormous number of high quality bands who produced an excellent range of albums. It was in many cases, these bands and albums that I now still have in my collection. Sampling them from the ;library allowed me to enjoy them more fully later as I bought subsequent albums. Bleating from record companies mostly sounds like crying wolf, at least in the UK. We know we can buy CDs much cheaper in the States and we should not forget that all global industries now employ massive economies of scale and distribution to shave pennies and cents off everything. SO when we talk about hardship and loss if income, its all about the shareholder dollar. If musicians are not getting their fair deal, they probably need to change their manager or get a better lawyer. We should not forget what Zappa did, in acquiring all his back catalogue, he achieved sole and total control over his work and cut out the record companies that he came to despite so much. Have I talked about the wrong subject? Maybe. The companies need to look at what they charge and why people are now ripping them off. Perhaps they themselves feel ripped off and this sis a way of biting back. One note for KC fans. DO we as a body approve of downloading or not? Would we rather not preserve Mr Fripps ability to keep going by buying his albums? If so, why when I visit file sharing sites (or read Elephant Talk) is there always massive activity around downloading KC material. Video material of LTIA? Is it available, tell me where it is and I'll buy it! Alan www.alangent.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 01:02:57 -0000 From: "Andrew Lehv" Subject: Robert Fripp on Radio 2 Hi all et'ers. It's a long time since I have posted but I heard that yesterday (Monday 20th) King Crimson was played on BBC Radio 2. I didn't hear it but my partner did. She has no liking for KC but knew of my interest. It may have been "The Album Chart Show with Simon Mayo". From the description, Robert Fripp must have been interviewed in the studio. The description Robert gave of the band's history seemed to be along the lines of Formed in 1969, broke up, reformed in 1970, broke up, reformed in 1971 - and so on. And apparently Robert claimed that this is the best King Crimson line-up for months! Other things of note. I was fortunate enough to see the 21st Century Schizoid Band and picked up the CD. The concert performance was excellent. Jakko managed to remain fairly faithful to the original tunes, while still putting some individuality into his performance both as guitarist and as singer. The CD I feel is less essential listening as the studio delivery strikes me as a little sterile. Live, you could feel the energy they were putting into it. Studio is flatter. Perhaps an official bootleg might have been better. One thread which arose from the 21CSB tour was whether they had more right to the name of King Crimson, although obviously that thread came from this forum rather than from the band themselves. It got me thinking about whether King Crimson really is King Crimson. From memory, in 1981 RF emerged with a new band called Discipline which subsequently became King Crimson with comments from Robert along the lines of "I felt King Crimson had come into the room" and "sometimes music arrives that can only be played by King Crimson". Both of these statements (yes, I know I have paraphrased them) can be regarded as a little pretentious. Another oft-quoted maxim is "expectation is a prison" and is used as a justification for not playing the old songs. To me, the Discipline band had no real link to the 70's KC barring the involvement of 2 band members. The music was radically different, being of a different era. And when I saw KC on the Beat tour, the only played 3 numbers from the previous incarnations (Red, Talking Drum, Larks Tongues 2). I feel that if "expectation is a prison" then that prison is of Robert's own making. When reviving the King Crimson name in 1981 and 1994, perhaps he should have considered that people would be right to expect to hear some of the old material, so if everything had to be new, he should have stuck with Discipline in 1981 and used a new name in 1994. It also seems a bit contrary that their is no place for the old songs in the current shows but Robert is churning out masses of old archive material. Supposedly looking forward while still looking back? Not that I'm complaining about this as I have bought all the KCCC stuff and the old releases. I'm even considering Ladies of the Road. And on the subject of Ladies of the Road, the English magazine Classic Rock gives the album a two page spread (one page review and a full page picture of Robert) and a 4 star (out of 5) rating, summing the album up "A masterclass in true progressive rock, from the heart of that early-70s era, from a criminally undervalued source." I had my doubts about this album from the posts on this forum but I may still splash out for this. And I note from the Discipline website that the page for the details of the album specifically notes the early cut-offs and the minute of silence. It's getting late and I seem to have rambled a bit, making up for years of silence. My last comments are on the new material. I have the "Happy" EP and I'm impressed with this, especially the title track. Many comments have been made here about the lyrics but they didn't prepare me for how HEAVY this track is. And just for the record, I shall not be buying The Power To Believe... ...It's due for release in the UK very close to Valentine's day! Thanks for your patience. Andrew Lehva ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 20:17:45 -0600 From: "John Spannaus" Subject: Pat and Terry I recently had the pleasure of seeing Pat Mastelotto and Terry Bozzio play together at a very intimate (and classy) venue located only a mile or two from my house. I wrote a brief review (more of a summary actually, as I couldn't find anything to criticize) of the night on a Roger Waters message board. Just to get a little perspective, it was written for non-Crimheads as an audience (though I still can't figure out how few Floyd fanatics ever get into Crimson!!). If you're interested, here is the link: http://bbs.sonymusic.com/showpost.pl?Board=rogerw6 &Number=106946&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5 On a sidenote, Pat mentioned that the Crimson US tour will be "very" extensive, and they might even get down into Texas during the second leg (Good news for us Southerners!). --Sir Nicholas James Spannaus III ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:41:23 -0800 From: "Mark Forrest" Subject: live365 stations/kazaa/Michael Brook This is my first plunge into the ET pool and the water's fine, it seems...In response to rfermier's post re: live 365 --I couldn't agree more...listening to KNR right now; some tasty Bill Rieflin has just preceded a CGT version of Heart of the Sunrise -- fascinating...now on to my recommendations for live 365 stations...here are the stations currently on my presets: www.JamBands.fm; 70 English Progressive; Radar Station (from the excellent Captain Beefheart site of the same name); my personal favourite at the moment -- funk.fm 100%pure uncut; Koolkat's Odd Sky; Rivmic Melodies; FusionGroovin (although this may soon go by the wayside...too much chaff and not enough wheat...);aTTeNTioN sPaN raDiO and, last but not least, KNR...I think if you try any or all of those, you're bound to find something to your liking...I agree that it's a bit of a trial to find what's good but the journey can be as good as the destination, correct? Other suggestions by other ET'ers would be much appreciated, I'm sure... Briefly to two other topics...yes to kazaalite...leaner and meaner (in the best way) than the original -- and it should appeal to the subversive nature in all of us...and yes to Michael Brook -- an unsung giant in the music world...he seems to have that Enoesque instinct of combining disparate elements of musical vocabulary that also makes Bill Laswell so fascinating/appealing; even in the stuff that I may not like so much, Laswell does it with a lot of style/panache -- check out his solo album Baselines for bass work as tasty as TL's, imho...my final word on Brook is to check out his album Hybrid for some fine work by Eno/Lanois/Brook and others.... Here's hoping that KC make it to the West Coast (and Canada, please) before too long...I'll post again soon to weigh in on TPTB and other topiKcs... mark (any other Vancouver ET'ers? shout out if you please...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:14:51 -0500 From: Tim Subject: Review of the review of the review > Subject: Setting the record straight(er) about 'The power to believe' > > This is a response to "dude"'s rather scathing response to my original > TPTB review: Man, enough already! "Dude" was right on with most of what he said about your "review". > I'm sorry if you were offended by my review, I certainly wasn't > intending to alienate anyone. > I used the term "suckers" in my subject line as a > joke, perhaps you are looking a little too far into that.. You call all of us "suckers" and don't think you're alienating everyone? Hey, sorry we're all not as "with it" as you and didn't get your very sophisticated joke. You DID come off as gloating... > One thing that you didn't seem to keep in mind > while reading my review was that it written immediately after listening to > the album ONCE. Next time take a minute to get your thoughts together, and listen to the album more than ONCE before you pronounce judgement on it. We're supposed to forgive the sloppiness of your review because of your laziness in throwing it together? > "And finally, a last quote from you: "And while you're anxiously waiting > for it, try to remember that you've already heard about half of it > (assuming you own Nashville) and, most likely, the other half isn't going > to totally rock your socks off.." > > What are you talking about ?" > > I also stand by those comments as well. Most people HAVE heard (at > least) half of it, and the other half consists of The Facts of Life songs, > which I wasn't particularly "blown away" by, and the rest (The Power to > Believe title tracks) is rather light-weight compared to the other half of > the album. This is all my personal opinion, I don't really see what you > are trying to argue here. Well, if it's "your opinion" then how can you tell me it "isn't going to totally rock {my} socks off"? How could you possibly know what I or anyone is going to think of the music? That's the big problem with reviewers, as someone once said, "the review tells us more about the reviewer than the actual music." If you'd have laid out the facts, pointed out similarities and left the ill-advised insults behind then we'd all probably be fine with it. But you really thumbed your nose at everyone, first by gloating over the fact that you had your advance copy (yes, you did), then presuming to think we would share your hasty opinion. Tim [ OK, that's enough. Please take this offline now. Thanks --Toby ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:16:15 +0000 From: "Clive Lathrope" Subject: Longest posts ever ???? ET 1081 must contain 2 of the longest ever posts WoW!! ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 2003 23:59:57 -0500 From: Chris Cowan Subject: Bozzio/Mastelotto Seminar Review I managed to see the "Master Class" at 3PM this past Saturday, but was unable to get into the "sold-out" show at 7PM. I managed to talk to few people beforehand, and almost everyone was a Krim-head and/or Zappa/Bozzio fan. Quite a few of those "drummer" types there, as would be expected. I honestly had a different expectation of the show, having seen Terry do his solo music on the traps, at 2 successive SxSW festivals, as well as a previous seminar with Chad Wackerman. One of the big surprises, was the absence of Terry's massive trap kit. In addition, everything was improvised. The stage consisted of a very minimal trap kit on the right of the stage. Gongs and cymbals in a chromatic scale layout, were arranged all along the back wall, and a cockpit at the left with lots of electronics. There several stations in the middle of the stage. 2 were hand percussion oriented, one Latin Congos, and the other Indian Tablas. Of course, there was the obligatory Bozzio rack of of Roto-toms. At the front of the stage were various percussion knick-knacks (a lot of it custom made), whistles, castanets, talking drums, water drums, and the like. In general, other than the trap kit, the performers had no seats whatsoever. The show proceeded in 3 sections: - 20-30 minutes of improvised performance - A question and answer session, which was quite fun - Another 15-20 minutes of improvisation There was something surprising about the whole thing, since there were 3 performers on stage. Terry and Pat just referred to the 3rd gentleman as "Hart". Most of the audience, including myself were wondering who he was. Turns out that he (Hart Stearns) runs and/or owns the One World Theatre, and plays Indian percussion. (I discovered this only after reading the theatre brochures, and seeing his picture). It interesting to see the contrast in styles, since Terry is more extroverted than Pat. Pat spent a lot of time playing the "electronics". Terry gravitated towards the tuned metal. Hart was clearly a hand percussionist, and stayed focused there. There were some interesting segment where all 3 facing each other and the improvisation took on a "conversational" feel. In general, I found it to be an interesting experiment, although I was in the minority I suspect. About 50% of the crowd lasted only part of the way through the show. I was happy, because at the end of the show, I was able to speak with both Pat and Terry. Some of the more interesting snippets from the Q&A and my after the show conversations with them: - Terry commented on how difficult it was to find a Club Owner willing to take a risk on this kind of show. - Pat and Terry appear to have practiced at the same rehearsal studio in LA, during Terry's Zappa days. They talked a bit about their mutual history, and encounters during that time, as well as their relocations to Austin. Pat commented several times on hearing Terry practice constantly back in those days. They also mentioned that they both communicate with Adrian Belew often. - Pat on playing with Bruford: There was clearly a game plan, and no significant improvisation in the double trio configuration. - Both commented on being trap players, and getting to deal more with hand percussion, and using mallets and sticks that allowed them to deal with "friction" as opposed to just impact. - Pat said Krim had no plans to play Austin during the upcoming tour. ;( Other than ProjeKct 3, Krim has been no where near Pat's home town since 1995. - Terry will touring the Netherlands, and probably supporting Billy Sheehan's tour. Said he didn't expect to do another album with Stevens, and Levin (another ;( for me because I've listened ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:03:45 +0000 From: "Spear man" Subject: >like The Edge with a graduate degree in ethnomusicology. >like The Edge with a graduate degree in ethnomusicology. um, wrong Michael Brook is not like The Edge. And why you'd blaspheme Michael Brook by mentioning the Edge in the same sentence.... ;) --spearman np Negativland--U2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:54:42 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Samuelian Subject: USA CD help please Kindly put on your new "USA" CD and gently place your headphones on. Skip to track 7 (Schizoid Man). Does your CD have a few seconds of dropouts around 2:29-2:31 (around start of guitar solo)? Weird, since its perfect on the old Russian CD version of USA, plus that version of Schizoid Man (Providence) is on Great Deceiver box, also fine. My new USA CD is the US Caroline (in jewel case) pressing, if that matters. Is this on everybody's, or did I just get a klinker? Thanks- Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 02:04:51 -0000 From: "Andrew Lehv" Subject: My last post Hi again It would appear I misled you into thinking that Robert Fripp was interviewed on Radio 2. It would appear that it's actually Ade. Thanks to Paul Timm for the info, and for the link to the websirte to hear it. If I can download something that will actually work on a 56k modem. Cheers Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:07:19 EST From: Leftsimeez at aol dot com Subject: ITCOTCK as poetry alone So in my poetry class i have to recite 5 works. I can do a couple writings from songs. Since i love Sinfield's stuff i'm considering moonchild, in the court, and epitaph... are there any other prog songs that paint excellent pictures or display great ideas that can be used in my poetry class? i'm thinking the soft machine is too adolescent, lyrically- when there are lyrics... yes is too confusing for my classmates... greg lake is not the greatest lyricist... and so on and so forth... any suggestions? ~Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:55:27 EST From: Guitar86rick at aol dot com Subject: The Power To Believe Release Date I don't really know if I'm missing something or am just an idiot, but I can't seem to find the official!!!!! release date of KC's new album. I have only read that it is supposed to come out sometime in February 2003. If someone knows, PLEASE post or email me. I want to buy that album. thanks, Rick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:21:00 -0700 From: "Richard Bischoff" Subject: Sylvian Fripp Boxed 24 carat Gold CD For sale if anyone is interested. Purchased two by mistake. Getting rid of my second one. Does have shrink wrap, but I am suspicious it is not new, so am selling it as used. Price 25.00 Plus shipping or best offer. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:51:59 -0600 From: Don Hosek Subject: CD Sales down but... One thing that gets left our of the decline in CD sales is that while sales are down, so are the number of titles being released. If the major labels had released as many titles as they had pre-Napster and each of the unreleased titles had sold just 2000 copies each, then there would have been no decline in sales. -dh -- Don Hosek, bassist http://don.dream-in-color.net/ Dream in Color - http://www.dream-in-color.net/ http://www.mp3.com/DreamInColor/ 312/953-3679 don at dream-in-color dot net Next Dream in Color show: Sunday, 2 February at Beat Kitchen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 00:02:53 -0500 From: "Alexander Haas" Subject: Re: How should the "Industry" distribute music Ultimately, the problem with the way in which record companies are coping with music downloads is that they are trying to make a cheap dollar off of it (how a dollar itself is cheap, I do not know - it just sounded good ^_^). What I could see is a system of releasing albums (or partial albums or singles, etc - work with me) via proprietary media. In this way, fans get their music previews and record companies can offer free single distribution and timed record previews. You needn't even do away with conventional single sales as you could simply offer a better deal (music videos on the maxi single, etc). This is altogether very half-baked, but I'd love to hear some feedback on it. "Who gives a fuck who they write for when they can't fucking write?" -Roger Waters ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 23:58:37 -0600 From: Don Hosek Subject: CD Sales down but... Make that 3000, I managed to find the relevant article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/28588.html -dh -- Don Hosek, bassist http://don.dream-in-color.net/ Dream in Color - http://www.dream-in-color.net/ http://www.mp3.com/DreamInColor/ 312/953-3679 don at dream-in-color dot net Next Dream in Color show: Sunday, 2 February at Beat Kitchen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:26:25 +0100 From: Laurent Masse Subject: Re: The League Of Gentlemen / God Save The King I've read a few posts where people refer to the vinyl version of God Save The King. Actually, the vinyl version was simply titled "Robert Fripp - The League Of Gentlemen" (with this absolutely wonderful pink cover) and has a lot of things which are not on the CD edition. Namely, "Minor Man", the three dialogue collages "Indiscreet", and three pieces sounding to me like Barry Andrews through Frippertronics gear (Pareto Optimum I and II, Ochre). And yes, as mentioned by someone, there are a lot of silly statements by various people throughout all the pieces, including extracts of JG Bennett talks. The CD edition is titled "God Save The King" and is actually 2/3 of this album remixed and with the voices erased, plus the "Discotronics" half of the "God Save the Queen/Under Heavy Manners" remixed. The title piece God Save The King is "The Zero Of The Signified" with a Fripp solo overdubbed throughout. I actually have a copy of both original vinyl editions as these are significantly different experiences from the CD. While GSTQ/UHM is far less boring on the CD, The League of Gentlemen with the initial running order, the interludes and the voices is to me WAY better than the CD edition. Exactly like comparing the full sized vinyl pink cover and its tiny reprint on the CD booklet, if you know what I mean. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 06:28:52 -0500 From: "Joe Brizzolara" Subject: Recommendations for Live365 radio stations > "Rex Fermier" > Subject: Recommendations for Live365 radio stations > I was wondering what other stations at Live365 might be recommended by the > readers of this fine newsletter? > > Anybody? I would very heartily recommend the Radar Station, programmed by Graham Johnston, originator and curator of beefheart.com. He describes it as "...a tip-topping, hip genre-hopping collection of Krautrock, country blues, free jazz, bebop, exotica, psychedelia, swing, punk, fried pop, post-rock, hip hop, folk, drum & bass and any other genre you care to think of from anywhere around the world". It's the berries! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 13:26:21 -0500 From: "MALCOLM XERXES" Subject: KING CRIMSON: BOWIE? PARLIAMENT OF PACHYDERMS: This morning, I played KING CRIMSON: BEAT for a girlfriend of mine, who had been exposed previously to KING CRIMSON: DEJA VROOOM!, KING CRIMSON: THE CONSTRUKCTION OF LIGHT & KING CRIMSON: VROOOM! She had heard me playing them, but had not audited them actively. While "NEAL & JACK & ME" was playing, the following exchange took place: "Who is this, DAVID BOWIE?" "No, it's KING CRIMSON." "Really?! I didn't recognise it because there's an actual melody, this time!" (Laughing) "What did you say?" (Blushing) "Oh, was that my out-loud voice?" This lent credence to my belief that KING CRIMSON: BEAT had the potential to become @ least as popular as PETER GABRIEL IV, had it been promoted with "HEARTBEAT" as its lead-off single, and the accompanying video shown with the same saturation that "SHOCK THE MONKEY" had been. MALCOLM XERXES Batterie/Percussives ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:39:02 -0500 From: "Jordan Clifford" Subject: Re: CGT in BPT?? Sat 1 Bridgeport, CT Acoustic Cafe 2926 Fairfield Ave. TIX: 203-335-3655 Showtime: 9pm GOOD GOD! An AMAZING band like this playing but 2 1/2 minutes from my house?!? THANK YOU LORD! here! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:36:37 -0500 From: "Larry Rodman" Subject: Vintage Crafty and Gabriel stuff Want to find good homes for mostly eighties artifacts: Guitar Craft, Fripp interview, etc. in cassette format. Three part Guitar Craft monograph, various associated books, and magazines containing pertinent articles. Please contact for full list and pricing. larry_rodman at hotmail dot com Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:59:16 -0800 From: "Kevin Fleming" Subject: Trade I am looking to trade Rhythm Buddies -"Thunderbird Suite" and King Crimson -"Earthbound" (gatefold) for any of the following CDs. KCCC#3 "The Beat Club, Bremen 1972" KCCC#17 "Projekct Two-Live in Northampton" KCCC#15 "Live in Mainz 1974" King Crimson- "Epitaph Vol.1&2" If interested please email me directly at kevinsf at earthlink dot net -Kevin ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1083 *********************************