Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 03:40:49 -0500 From: "MALCOLM XERXES" <malcolmxerxes at hotmail dot com> Subject: "THIS FRIPP'S" COMPOSITIONAL STYLE
PARLIAMENT OF PACHYDERMS:
In response to the following:
> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 17:34:22 +0000 > From: "Dave Allen" <allen508 at hotmail dot com> > Subject: RF's compositional style > > Anyone else ever get the impression that RF's compositional style has its > roots more in chromatic guitar exercises than anything else?
...My response is no, not @ all!
To my ear, his work on THE CHEERFUL INSANITY OF GILES, GILES & FRIPP is rather Baroque/Jazz, especially on works such as "ERUDITE EYES".
MALCOLM XERXES Slagenwerk/Batterie http://www.malcolmxerxes.com
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 6:46:42 -0600 From: number6 at mcttelecom dot com Subject: Re: PG and UP Tour
A Wombat wrote:
>I saw the Boston show at the Fleet Center and >I have to say, I was disappointed.
Unfortunately I'd have to agree. I have seen PG a dozen times now and though I am glad to have seen both the Fleet Center and Mohegan Sun shows, I'd put this tour at the bottom of the list.
Aspects of the show did seem a bit clunky like the orange men bringing the ladders the step onto the stage for "Downside Up". An awkward set up to a minimal pay off for what is a forgettable song. Though the band was very solid I missed having a Shankar, Katche, Fast, Cole etc also in in the band. The opening acts (Blind Boys of Alabama and the duo from Tanzania) did not compare to Papa Wemba or Youssou N'Dour or The Call ....for me anyway.
All that complaining aside, it was great to see/hear Peter again and overall it was an above the average show, just not the typical "spiritual experience" that I have had all of the 10 previous times. Highlights for me included a great version of Secret World and silly fun with Growing Up.
Here's hoping we do not have to wait another decade to hear from PG. Wouldn't it be nice if RF would spray some fire on his next album?!
mlk
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:32:44 +0100 From: "Eddy de Causmaecker" <flycatcher at zeelandnet dot nl> Subject: Re: Catfood Single
I still have the original vinyl single version of CATFOOD b/w GROON, it is still in it's original cover, however not in mint condition anymore (I don't mind, I'm not planning on selling it). Does anybody have any idea of the value?
Best Wishes,
Eddy Flycatcher
flycatcher at zeelandnet dot nl
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:09:02 +0100 From: starless <starless at simail dot it> Subject: Thunderbird Suite on CD
Hello to all, long-time lurker here.
I've found this interesting news on the web site of this graphic designer: http://www.rodierstudio.com/engl/introeng.html
"Denis just completed a new CD cover. This time for the RHYTHM BUDDIES (Trey Gunn & Pat Mastelotto from KING CRIMSON). It will be released soon in a limited edition available only at their concerts and on their website. You can see the artwork in the Digital section."
So it seems that Thunderbird Suite will be soon available. Weird cover anyway...
Dario
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:24:33 -0600 From: wviland at thin-film dot com Subject: improv - just plain irritating?
>Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 17:56:07 +0000 >From: "dileep bagnall" <bagnalldm at hotmail dot com> >Subject: improv/hwwyhtbhw/i have a dream/not fun? >Am I alone in thinking that a lot of KC improv is just plain irritating? >Some works very well, and when so attains a remarkable beauty. But most >seems little more than an opportunity to record and release material >relatively quickly and cheaply. Space Groove is the only bad KC (related) >CD I've heard. The Deception of the Trush is challenging and enjoyable. >HWWYHTBHW is very refreshing. In particular the title track and the new >Larks' Tongues IV. The latter is much freer (and shorter). I bought the CD >at the same time as Level Five. I think together they present a fair >representation of KC currently. >Dileep
Did I talk to you the other night at the Walker Art Center, listening to Tim Sparks and Marc Ribot? If not their are two of you. I didn't want to argue at the show but now I have a second. The improves are the BEST!, hands down. Everyone knows that. And Space Groove is one of my all time favorites. It's not really cold improv, but refined. This record is a perfect example of Fripp's guitar superiority. I think a lot of Crim fans are beginning to associate Ade's guitar bends, screams, and whales (akin to popular rock)to being the KC sound. I do love Ade's work, but if I had to pick one, Roberts precision chops and obscure tonations would be my choice. You have to listen more closely, Ade's most always up front. Robert tends to move around in back, always has. Check out some of the runs the Frippster pulls of in the early portions of the first track on SG. Blows my #ucking mind. Its kind of like watching a ice skater pull off a triple jump spin at full speed without falter.
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:29:27 -0500 From: David Gargano <David_Gargano at ASCR dot com> Subject: Toyah on Trigger Happy TV
Did anyone else see the Trigger Happy TV episode (on Comedy Central in the US) where the host begins to interview Toyah Wilcox and then runs away mid sentence? Kind of funny, but the joke was at her expense. I think Bobby Fripp should give the host a beating!
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:55:48 -0000 From: "Alan Gent" <alan at alangent dot com> Subject: More on Tours
Just received a post from the Rolling Stones (well, not personally, you understand) about their European Tour. 3 UK dates all in London. Gone are the days of course when a UK tour meant London, now a European tour means - er, London.
Robert when you come to tour the UK or even Europe, please bear in mind as I've said before, that there is life North of Watford.
I agree with Dileep Bagnall, the Apollo would be great for a 2 night set in Manchester......
Alan
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 01:37:14 -0500 From: "Jordan Clifford" <GrooveHolmes394 at hotmail dot com> Subject: Re: speaking of VH1
Speaking of VH1...
did anyone catch one of those VH1's Top Hard Rock Bands countdown? King Crimson was on it, but I missed the episode where there was a segment on them, I only saw the next epissode where it runs back who they named last time. I really wanted to see what footage they used and what they had to say. anyone see it?
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:14:34 -0500 From: "Eden, Scott C Mr (Contractor)" <scott dot eden at monroe dot army dot mil> Subject: Merriweather Post Pavilion Columbia, Maryland 1984 show
Hey Ho
> 1984/06/30 Merriweather Post Pavilion, Columbia, Maryland
I think I read on the Crimson Live site that a Crimson document said that the show was rained out. However, like donovan at bway dot net I was at the show and had a great time. Oddly, I think it was a clear blue sky summer day.
Scott Eden
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:16:23 -0500 From: Dan Cooper <dcooper at lspa dot com> Subject: PG
Two comments on the poster who raved about the PG Coming Up tour:
I saw the same show in Washington, DC, and I must say that given the potential the stage provided (I can't remember the last time I saw a rock show with such a complicated stage set-up), I was a bit disappointed by Gabriel's performance this time out. For pure theatrics, I recommend finding the Secret World DVD from his '92 tour. That show was almost as elaborate as this one, but the effects were more humanistic and interesting visually. I didn't get the whole upside down thing, the big throbbing egg didn't do it for me, why was the drummer under a tent, and what in the hell was his daughter doing in a row boat during Mercy Street? The band was great as always, and it seemed as though the biggest ovation of the night came for Tony Levin - including one silly man who TWICE during quiet points in the show hollered out "Tony Levin is God!" But all in all it wasn't as moving as previous Gabriel concerts have been.
As for Trick of the Tail & Duke being better if Gabriel were there - not a chance. In fact, the albums wouldn't have been remotely similar to what they are if Gabriel were on board. Do you really think he would have been interested in doing "Turn It On Again"?
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 21:56:31 +0000 From: "Spear man" <spearman at hotmail dot com> Subject: Re: improv
re:[q] Am I alone in thinking
[a1] um
[a2] yes
[a3] egads, I hope so
--spearman
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:00:58 -0300 From: "The Necron Stratomailer" <stratomailer at data54 dot com> Subject: "Return to Top of the Page" issues...
Dileep wrote:
>Could ET include 'return to top of page' at the bottom? It would make >things easier.
Using the 'home' and 'end' buttons on my keyboard work just as well for me. Although (just to show that I'm not so smart) it was my brother who noted that for me
KC rulez!
(that's the mandatory KC-related part of the mail, if you didn't realize so by now)
Strato
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 02:26:22 -0500 From: Sylvan <psiogen at mindspring dot com> Subject: Re: A Man, A Cutting Remark
Dave implored:
> 1. What the hell is the difference between "Pictures of a City" and "A Man, > A City"? Does anyone know?
Why, the title, of course. ;)
Glenn Miller was 'taken aback' by Bill B.'s:
> 'the kind of music our fans wish King Crimson would write, > only we haven't gotten around to it.'
Hey, what's wrong with that? I'm sure he, Fripp, and just about everyone else is well aware that there's a large contingent of KC fans who wish the band would write a different kind of music than the stuff they are in fact doing. Fripp & co. obviously don't particularly want to cater to the fans in that sense, so they shouldn't be offended by the suggestion that they aren't doing it.
Ferenc prodded:
> Have you noticed that on the cover of the anniversary remastered > reissue of Red, "One more red nightmare" is listed as "One mere red > nightmare" (on the original CD issue it is correct)? Is it on purpose...?
My cardboard sleeve remaster says "more". Have you got the jewel case edition?
-- Sylvan http://www.webcomics.org "Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life." --Terry Pratchett
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:15:39 +0100 From: Dan Jonsson <dannepop at mac dot com> Subject: Re: Something Crimsonesque
>This I found the other day. A new band playing Crimson like music. They >are called Tow Truck Two. >http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/330/tow_truck_two.html >It's on mp3.com and I think that it's really refreshing. It's what I like >with guitar playing. What do you think? >Indeed! Nice..... This group is from Sweden. They feature two members of >a most incredible `70s group called Psynkopat (think Zappa meets Krimson) >whose sole album is impossible to find...... (I did finally score one on >eBay after a loooong search) >It never fails to amaze me how many bands KC has influenced over the >years. >C
Isn't there several Crimson inspired groups from Sweden?
Like Anekdoten and Anglagard.
But they sounds more like early Crimson with a lot of mellotron sounds.
This Tow Truck Two has got it focus on the guitar playing.
A twang bar like music!
Steven
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:49:35 +0100 From: "Eddy de Causmaecker" <flycatcher at zeelandnet dot nl> Subject: Red cover trivium.
"Have you noticed that on the cover of the anniversary remastered reissue of Red, "One more red nightmare" is listed as "One mere red nightmare" (on the original CD issue it is correct)? Is it on purpose...?"
That must be a misprint, because my copy says: "One more red nightmare"
Best Wishes,
Eddy Flycatcher
flycatcher at zeelandnet dot nl
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:34:34 EST From: Lesajima at aol dot com Subject: a reference
In a message dated 12/4/02 12:52:39 AM, et at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk writes:
> #1- "Trick of the Tail" and "Duke" _are_ classics.
You any good with a chainsaw? :-)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 05:24:53 -0800 From: "adam" <crimsonadam at hotmail dot com> Subject: the truth comes out
If anything can be learned from the EP "Happy With What..." (aka, the album that should not have been), it's that Robert Fripp is completely full of crap. This is proved by the laughter thrown upon him by the rest of the band at 2:45 mark of track 10. Really, how long have we been falling for his little joke upon us. Robert Fripp...Professional Litigant/Jokester/Musician.
i feel dirty,
brad
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:15:26 -0000 From: "Evo Music site : Ed -- Tiz" <info at progress dot freeserve dot co dot uk> Subject: The Power to Believe - synopsis online (pre-review)
http://www.geocities.com/evo_music/cd-kin-p.html carries the Evo Music site 'synopsis' (pre-review) of King Crimson's forthcoming CD "The Power to Believe", due for UK release February 17th.
Sympathies to ET contributor John Garaguso re postponement of his online interview with Bill Bruford. The Evo Music reviewing team would greatly have enjoyed tuning in to Delicious Agony online radio, this coming Saturday, to hear the 'conversation' in its new slot. But most of us are off to join Sid Smith in Norwich, England, for the Burning Shed event featuring (this Friday / Saturday) :
Roger Eno, Theo Travis, GP Hall, Centrozoon, Deive Montaigue, Andy Butler + Darkroom
Tiz @ Evo Music site http://www.geocities.com/evo_music/ select 'news' for latest EVO e-digest (or subscribe) *new* e-address : info at evo-music dot freeserve dot co dot uk
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:33:43 -0600 From: Albert Oller <alberto at exlibris-usa dot com> Subject: off topic: PG "Up" tour
Hi all,
Hey Wombat! Just a different perspective on the Boston show. I thought it was very good. The black outfits didn't bother me at all, but I was very close to the stage and had a perfect view. I also think that the outfits fit in with the general theme of 'Up', which I take to be passing on from one life to another. And, the bright orange outfits (martial arts gis) that the stage-hands wore, were actually such a contrast that I didn't notice them once the show started. I could heard everything, including the low end.
I agree that a few of the production aspects got in the way, notably the upside down roller-skating. But, several of the effects were stunning. I especially liked "The Barry Williams Show" with the almost obscene video-camera shots of the band and audience flicking on and off of the tubular screen. "Signal to Noise" was a great piece to end the main show, and the tubular center piece was mesmerizing. I liked the light-bulb jacket: it was goofy. Best of all though, was the giant ball (hamster-ball) that Gabriel climbed into for "Growing Up". When he started bouncing it up and down with the chorus it was great. Levin was laughing his head off, and pulled out his camera to take pictures of Gabriel inside, while still playing bass. The band was having a great time with the music and each other. I also closed my eyes at several points so that I would be hearing the music, and not be 'taken in' by the production. Even when I did that I thought the music was strong and worth hearing.
Regards,
ago
p.s. Peter Gabriel does have a bit of a belly, but he moved around just fine for a man in his 50's. My girlfriend said she thinks he is sexy, now more than ever.
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:47:48 +0000 From: "Dan Ceo" <dancrimson at hotmail dot com> Subject: so many releases...
In the past few weeks, I've been buying everything Crimson--meaning all of the releases that have come out in the past couple of months. At first it was very difficult because after hearing about these releases, I travelled all around to every store I could think of in Ann Arbor and no one had any of them. So, I started by ordering "Happy..." from DGM, which I was very happy with the service and the disc itself is great; I can't wait for "The Power To Believe." A couple of weeks ago, while I was in Chicago, I stopped in the Virgin Megastore and they had Earthbound and USA--my views on these two albums have to concur with everyone else's (Earthbound: while musically stimulating, the sound quality is appalling; USA: very powerful, tight and cohesive).
Yesterday, I finally found a copy of "Ladies of the Road." I've read quite a few posts from people saying that they were disappointed and that these releases pale in comparison to the actual Collectors Club releases. Now, I really like King Crimson a lot, but I must admit, I've never had the money to invest in a membership with KCCC. But, I do have all the official releases. For those fans, like me, who can't afford to be a club member--and wouldn't be able to catch up with all the releases even if I did join--I think "Ladies" is an excellent release. For one thing, it gives every fan a chance to hear some of the things that some might be missing out on. For another, it's great to have a live recording that provides a more in-depth look at the '71/'72 line-up, surpasses the quality of "Earthbound" and keeps in the tradition of the "Official Bootleg" series. On that basis, I really can't be too picky about much on this album. I'm really happy with what I got for my money. The sound quality is clear, the performances are top notch and there are some interesting alternative approaches to some of the pieces. The only complaint I have, however, is that disc 2-Schizoid Men could have been edited a bit better. The idea is great and throughout 95% of this disc, it's seemless. Alas, though, on track 11, there is an abrupt stop right in the middle of the improv, a few seconds later it comes back and after a few more minutes, it stops again, there is no conclusion to it. It doesn't return to the main theme, it just leaves you hanging. Other than that, it's a great release. I don't feel cheated.
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 08:08:26 -0800 From: "dileep michael bagnall" <kreem dot fuj at eudoramail dot com> Subject: two four piece bands?/Bears/Projekct X and more
I apologise if my first question is inappropriate.
Has Uncle Bobby made plans for KC for when he Flies from this Earth? Will KC continue? I'd like there to be a version of KC still around in 50 years time.
Could KC operate as two four-piece bands?
Mastelotto/Gunn/Fripp/Belew
Bruford(?)/Levin/Fripp/Belew
For me the four-piece line-ups have been the best.
I've been a KC fan since Thrak, but I'm still not entirely sure how to pronounce 'Belew'. Can someone confirm?
The Bears' 'Car Caught Fire' is good, but I'd like to see Belew take over.
Projekct X doesn't seem to have had much influence on the band.
What do people think of the late Ronnie Laine as a Bass player?
What are the chances of KC appearing at Glastonbury and getting on TV?
The version of 'Red' on B'Boom is sublime.
I am not addicted. I can quit any time I want.
Kreem Fuj (Watching the Wheels)