Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 16:42:36 -0500 From: "MALCOLM XERXES" <malcolmxerxes at hotmail dot com> Subject: 21st CENTURY SCHIZOID 'PHONE
PARLIAMENT OF PACHYDERMS:
I have an almost pathological aversion to cellular telephones, but I am now covetous of a NOKIAtm, so that I may download that piece of music, which I find far more pleasant than the usual butchered MOZART excerpts which are being inflicted almost constantly upon my auditory canals.
MALCOLM XERXES Slagenwerk/Batterie http://www.malcolmxerxes.com
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 20:27:25 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Miller <profjgmiller at yahoo dot com> Subject: snippy comment by Bill Bruford?
I was somewhat taken aback by the quote attributed to Bruford in the following article.
GORDIAN KNOT TIES UP BRUFORD, HACKETT
Bassist and composer Sean Malone's Gordian Knot project returns early next year with the release of "Emergent" on Sensory Records. On "Emergent," the second Gordian Knot release, Malone is joined by onetime Cynic bandmate Jason Gobel on guitar and the legendary Yes/King Crimson drummer Bill Bruford. This is the trio Sean describes as the "core group," with an array of guests helping to fill out the sound: Steve Hackett on guitar (Genesis), Jim Matheos on guitar (Fates Warning), and fellow Cynic players Paul Masvidal (guitar) and Sean Reinert (drums). "Bill Bruford is one of the most original, creative and influential musicians in the genre," says Malone. "I grew up listening to Yes and King Crimson, and now to collaborate with him is something almost beyond description. I'm not embarrassed to admit that as I reflect on our recording sessions, there's always some sense of disbelief. While recording, he described the music on this disc as 'the kind of music our fans wish King Cr! imson would write, only we haven't gotten around to it.' I'm grateful he thought enough of the music to participate."
Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 16:19:55 +1000 From: "prof. Dawid" <prof dot davy at usa dot com> Subject: 41 pictures of a man in the city on TV
Hi again!
To cut a long story short:
What the hell is the difference between "Pictures of a City" and "A Man, A City"? Does anyone know?
Has anyone seen any of the Tv appearances by KC listed in FAQ question no.41 (esp. from the 70s)? How may an ordinary fan like me have a chance to see it? Is it possible at all? Can anyone explain it to me?
Dave
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Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 01:37:32 -0500 From: "Craig J. Clark" <cjclark at earthlink dot net> Subject: Re: PG "Up" Tour
In ET #1063, EBotti at aol dot com wrote:
> > To this day, I still say that if Peter would have stayed a little > longer "Trick of the Tail" and "Duke" would have been classics.
Two things:
"Trick of the Tail" and "Duke" _are_ classics.
If Gabriel had remained in the band, then neither "A Trick of the Tail" nor "Duke" would have been made (at least in the way we know them) because of the different group dynamics that would have been in play. "Trick" came out of the turmoil immediately following Gabriel's departure and "Duke" came two albums after Steve Hackett left the group. Compare them to the music that Gabriel was making at the same time and you'll see how far apart they had grown musically since (and arguable during) "Lamb Lies."
That said, I'm glad you enjoyed Gabriel's current show. I got to see him (and, by entension, Tony Levin), a decade ago on the "Us" tour and he was pretty damned impressive then. Some folks just get better with age.
-- Craig J. Clark "I believe -- so strongly -- in mayonnaise." cjclark at earthlink dot net --Elmo Oxygen, http://home.earthlink.net/~cjclark denizen of for the uneasily amused --> http://dada.warped.com Schizopolis
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 03:07:53 -0500 (EST) From: david craig <dac at panix dot com> Subject: Re: Merriweather Post Pavi, Columbia, Maryland 1984 show
> Some Official documents says this show was canceled ,but I have a Tape > of the complet show (and one of the best KC shows) since the 86 ,came > from USA ,and the guy say the show was real. 1984/06/30 Merriweather > Post
I have a copy of this show as well. The person from whom I got it (many years ago, by now) swore he was there. Frame by Frame says the show was rained out. Perhaps this was a joke based on the name of the venue?
I have quite a few recordings of the 80's band, and this show is not a mislabeled copy of any of them. That's not quite evidence, of course. In any event, it's clearly a show from the same tour. (I can't recall offhand if Adrian mentions the location by name; it's been a while since I've listened to that particular show.)
[Sadly, most of these recordings are wretchedly awful in terms of sound quality, which is why I so desperately wish DGM would release more wonders from this unit. (Savoy, anyone? And whatever happened to the remastered Berkeley disks promised some months ago...? A marvel, that show. Too bad the CD doesn't have the complete set.)]
David Craig
Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 08:08:12 +0000 From: Curtis Martens <curtmart at powwwer dot net> Subject: Tjotjog
TJOTJOG (CHOT-chog): A Javanese verb denoting when "cooperative efforts mesh together to an almost supernatural degree through a combination of practice, skill, confidence, mutual regard and timing." (From "They Have A Word For It" by Howard Rheingold) Sound like anyone we know?
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 22:10:23 -0000 From: "Alan Gent" <alan at alangent dot com> Subject: UK v US
I prefer not to get into the UK v US thing. Fripp is British, but not necessarily quintessentially British, whatever that means in the context of rock music. As to it being metal I think it goes beyond that and, I suspect even Schizoid Man, made when it was , was not considered a metal album - I didn't regard it as such and I was around then. In those days (oh my God!!!) we had Rock and Metal. Two different things as they are now, but clinically so then.
By the way Wafo - I have had USA for months courtesy of a very enlightened organisation called G&S music who do all things Zappa and associated band members, thus KC qualify on account of Adrian Belew being an ex Zappa band member. They are UK based, do mail order and are fiendishly efficient.
Alan
www.alangent.com <http://www.alangent.com> Phone 07798 571 354
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:07:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Philip Johnston <philipjamesjohnston at yahoo dot co dot uk> Subject: McDonald & Giles
Hi there!
I've noticed that the recently remastered 'McDonald & Giles' cd doesn't seem to have attracted as much interest as some of the other recent King Crimson remasters. Why? It basically amounts to being crimso's second album...
Play it back to back with 'In the Wake of Poseidon' to get a glimpse of how KC might have sounded had Ian & Mike not Left!
So enough of this scoffing!! Go buy 'McDonald & Giles'.
Best Wishes
Philip
Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 22:06:12 -0600 From: "Brandon S." <jazzgeek at hotmail dot com> Subject: Re: Burnt Guitar
In issue #1063, a poster stated that Frank Zappa purchased a burnt Hendrix guitar in an auction. This information is incorrect: this guitar was given to Zappa by Jimi himself. It is not the famed "Monterray" guitar, but one that was made aflame in Florida around '68 or so. Anyhow, the guitar was misplaced, and found several years ago by Zappa's son Dweezil. He has fixed the guitar up (it was in pieces) and recently attempted to sell the guitar in an auction. Perhaps this is what you were thinking of?
BS
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:05:02 -0800 (PST) From: andy mania <andymania1a at yahoo dot com> Subject: im curious as to who is the Vicar?
Hello,
I evertime i visit DGM i see the section entitled "robert fripp and the vicar". Who is the Vicar?
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:08:00 -0800 (PST) From: andy mania <andymania1a at yahoo dot com> Subject: how do i send a letter to RF?
Can anyone tell me how can i send a letter to RF?
[ I suggest you write to him c/o Discipline Global Mobile -- Toby ]
-Andy
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:33:01 +0300 From: "Turusinov, Andrei S." <Andrei dot S dot Turusinov at plc dot conoco dot com> Subject: Re: Belew's guitar
Hi, everybody!
Regarding my previous e-mail published in ET1063, Vladimir Sovetov, famous Russian Zappa huru, gave me a complete answer for that. Please read below:
=============================
Charles Ulrich
The other three 1981 solos were performed on a sunburst
Stratocaster that had formerly belonged to Jimi Hendrix, who burned
it on stage. FZ received this guitar from Howard Parker, who had been
a roadie for Hendrix. FZ believed that Jimi had burned it at the
Miami Pop Festival in 1968, but Caesar Glebbeek has argued that he
actually burned it at the Astoria in London in 1967. The burned
guitar hung on FZ's wall for many years, but around 1976 he had it
fixed by Rex Bogue, who replaced the neck and pick-ups and installed
parametric EQ. FZ told Guitarist, "I haven't played it all that
often, because unless you're in the right environment and you're
standing in exactly the right relationship to the amplifier, it likes
to feed back all the time."
Bill Lantz
Might it be worth mentioning that Adrian Belew used the Hendrix strat
during the 77-78 tours? He liked it so much that after leaving FZ's
band, he custom burned his own Strat and used that one (most famously
with the Talking Heads) till around mid-1981 during early Discipline
(later King Crimson) gigs.
=======================================cheers
andrei
Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 10:26:04 +0100 From: Ferenc Riesz <riesz at mfa dot kfki dot hu> Subject: Red cover trivium.
Dear ET-ers,
Have you noticed that on the cover of the anniversary remastered reissue of Red, "One more red nightmare" is listed as "One mere red nightmare" (on the original CD issue it is correct)? Is it on purpose...?
Ferenc (Hungary)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:57:43 -0000 From: "Wafo" <meat dot bag at ntlworld dot com> Subject: British/American band again
Finding myself unable to stop posting to Elephant Talk almost every edition these days, I have to add to the things I was saying about Krim being an American band. In truth, I don't believe it is - a Transatlantic band, certainly, and more American than it used to be. But it got me thinking about the content of the actual music, especially with reference to the latest stuff, and I think, all in all, King Crimson are one of the best examples of "world music" in rock.
The influences on the Happy EP are extremely wide-ranging. The title track veers between American metal (itself inspired by British metal, which was an extension of the blues) and The Beatles (a Liverpudlian band who tried to emulate the American sound of rock and roll), LTIA IV is the metalised Eastern European classical piece, Potato Pie is blues, Eyes Wide Open has a Mediterranean flavour, the electronic voices have their roots in Western European electronica, many of the titles are Far Eastern in origin, with Shoganai standing out as some sort of cross between Far Eastern and African. All infused with the African-inspired polyrhythms tried out on Discipline. And it's all seemingly effortless.
The more I listen to that CD, the more I like it. There seems to have been a thread opening up since its release that the new King Crimson is somehow dumbed down, but I find this the most eclectic mix of stuff they've released in a long while.
To change direction a bit - Ladies of the Road. I'm lucky enough not to have heard too many of the KCCC releases (most importantly, not Summit Studios) so I was pretty much blown away by the new CD. It knocks seven shades out of Islands and Earthbound. In fact, I'd consider it a much better record than any of the first four studio albums, and since it contains material from each of them, it may even be a very good starting point for anyone interested in early KC.
Re the abrupt cut-off on the final track - my only reaction so far has been laughter. The Detroit 71 CD is the only gig I'd heard by this band, and I can safely say I don't think this track could have been dealt with better. I think it cuts off just before Boz embarrassingly starts singing about having his "Crimson thing" in his hand. Fading it out would have sounded terrible, but cutting it off like that makes it seem just how it was intended in the first place - as a joke.
As for Disc 2, I keep trying to imagine what on Earth was going on in the collective DGM heads by cutting out the sound for a minute. But it must be a joke too. In fact, if anyone has the patience to listen through what is essentially a barrage of noise for around 45 minutes, they'll feel pretty disorientated when it just cuts off like that - I did at any rate, sitting there with my headphones on and my ears ringing. Then, just when you've readjusted, the whole thing starts again, that endless noise... Putting the end of the song onto it by that point seems a bit pointless, because who cares? It's just a load of noise, not a song. Perhaps this is Fripp's way of saying, don't take it too seriously?
I expect now to get flamed for calling 21st Century Schizoid Man "a load of noise".
Wafo
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:34:58 +0100 From: "VAN DE PEER, Tobias (Gillingham)" <Tobias dot VAN dot DE dot PEER at dds dot delphiauto dot com> Subject: Chapman Stick Damping ... and the Vicar
Hello Amigos!
I have a query for any Stick owners out there... what do you use to damp the strings at the headstock? I have acquired a nice copy of one but there is no damping thing there.. thus much string noise is heard. I would like to know how much noise you are supposed to hear, ie just how much damping there is.
Also, look please, will someone give me the lowdown on the vicar! I'm still very confused, maybe a leedle scared but also amused. It is a bit like the prisoner ... "Who is the Vicar?" but you need to get hit by the "WTF" factor in life, that's what its all about!
Would be really chuffed if anyone could give me any answers to these deep and meaningful questions. You can e-mail privately if these are too off-topic!
Cheers
Toby van de Peer AKA The Masked Marauder, Kent Wrestling Federation (three times Champion)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:05:57 -0800 (PST) From: B K Partridge <derangedwombat at yahoo dot com> Subject: Re: PG "Up" Tour
Just to offer a counter to claims that the "Up" tour was so amazing, I saw the Boston show at the Fleet Center and I have to say, I was disappointed.
PG's voice was excellent, and, of course, all the musicians involved were stellar. But there were production aspects that made the show a mere fraction of what it could have been, from my perspective.
First of all, whoever did the sound at the Fleet Center show did a terrible job. Everything in the low end sounded very muddy, and it was impossible to hear Tony's bass lines (or, really, anything in the low end) with any clarity.
As if that wasn't a big enough bummer all by itself, somebody had the bright idea to dress all the stage-hands in bright orange jump-suits, while all the performers were dressed in black. I can understand PG wanting a black outfit, given his protruding belly, but the orange-outfitted stage-hands were impossible to ignore, making it tougher to experience the "magic" of the show. (It is difficult to feel exhilerated about PG singing "Sledgehammer" wearing a flashing jacket when there is a guy in orange crouched on the stage following him around so his power cord doesn't get caught on anything, for example...)
I thought there were other aspects of the show that just didn't work - it wasn't just the "Sledgehammer" jacket. Most notably, the choice of having the performers face in towards the center of the stage (they hardly connected with the audience at all - it seemed like they were having a private party and we weren't invited), and the performance of "Downside-Up" where PG and his daughter strapped themselves to a ring and walked around upside down. PG's face was turing bright red, and the whole silly apparatus just looked plain uncomfortable!
There were aspects of the show that were great, and things that really worked as well as things that didn't. I've mainly mentioned the negative things here. But to say the show was even close to one of the best I've ever seen would be, unfortunately, false. Just another perspective on the tour...
The Wombat
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:22:02 +0100 From: xavery <xavery dot i at wp dot pl> Subject: HC video problem solved
Thank you very much for your help everyone.
I finally won the battle with my win xp.
I think that putting some advice on the ET website will be helpful for future problems that are likely to occur along with further software upgrades...
** HC vide solution ** (a compilation of advice I received)
Toby, how about making this codec's package available on ET website? Just in case it will disappear someday...
[ Dan? -- Toby ]
xavery
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:07:30 -0500 From: "Claude Badley" <claudebadley at citlink dot net> Subject: Re: Merriweather Post Pavillon, Columbia, Maryland June 30, 1984
I, too, was at that show and have my ticket stubs. That's right, stubs, plural. The concert was not canceled. It rained that day. My boyfriend, Will, and I had lawn seats. We were celebrating our birthdays by attending the show. It was my second concert (the first being David Gilmour in DC on June 1, 1984.) This was my first "outdoor" concert. There was straw on the ground to help prevent "spills" as the hillside lawn was muddy. We took our shoes off and sat on them so we wouldn't get so muddy on our butts. A lady approached us looking to give away 2 pavilion seats because her friends couldn't make it. I was too shy to even look at her, much less talk to her. (My, how times have changed!) Will graciously accepted the tickets on our behalf. (Thus, 2 ticket stubs.) King Crimson was so awesome that night! What a treat to have them set the standard for my future concerts. Robert sat on a stool, near the front of the stage. He was so intriguing to watch, so intense. Tony and Bill were obviously into what they were doing too. However, Adrian stole the show and I will never be *right* because of seeing him that night. He was having such a good time, so contrary to everything I've been taught by my musical family about touring musicians. He was having such a good time performing that intriguingly complex music! I was still very new to King Crimson then, but completely enraptured by it. That concert was the nail in my *popular music* coffin. No more top 40 radio for this girl from that point forward. So, yes, that show DID go on. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise!
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:25:08 EST From: NajiBaji at aol dot com Subject: Re: KC's Port of Registry
Hello "dere" Crimrades:
I was bemused by recent debates over KC's "nationality." The Muse has no nationality. It has become a truly world based unit. Mr. Fripp maintains he is an equal partner, and from this I draw the conclusion, the guiding light governing KC as a Unit ceased to shine from England with the first "cease to exist" at the end of the seventies. Mr. Fripp's playing does not have a British accent. No offense intended, but he not likely to be Knighted anytime soon. Even with shift of musicianship and production to the USA, this still does not hold territorial sway over the music. Crimson's music is truly unique and without frontier. Should Mr. Fripp "Cease to exist" as a member of the bad, for whatever reason, it is entirely possible that KC can continue as a viable and productive unit with whoever the Muse beckons. Given the DGM setup, ( I surmise) this can happen without interference from record company execs (As I believe the case was from the move from "Discipline" back to KC).
Dave Meshowski
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 00:26:26 -0500 From: John Garaguso <jrgmmg at comcast dot net> Subject: Bill Bruford Interview
Dear Crim and Bruford fans,
My most humblest and sincerest apologies for the Bill Bruford interview not airing last Saturday as previously announced. Comcast lost it's broadcasting capabilities in the South Jersey area which, unfortunately, is where I broadcast from. The engineers at the remote site in North Carolina did not have the interview file available to them so we were stuck without a server to broadcast the interview. As it is, the interview will be aired in it's entirety this Saturday at 3PM EST and again at 9PM EST. Bill spoke for just over 30 minutes on such subject matters as King Crimson, Earthworks, his love for jazz and more. After both interviews, we will be broadcasting a 3 hour special covering the 30 years of Bill's career. From his early days with Yes, his many years with Crimson, his solo material from the late 70's, his collaborations with various artists, and finally his recordings with Earthworks. Hope to see you there.
I don't wish to offend anyone at ET, but I will this time post our URL address for any fan who wishes to listen to the Bruford interview this Saturday. I had a tremendous response to requests for our address the last time that I almost couldn't keep up with answering them all. Thank you all for writing. Again, I apologize for the technical problems we experienced last weekend and I hope to see you all there this Saturday.
All the best,
John Garaguso
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