Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1061 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1061 Monday, 25 November 2002 Today's Topics: EVO e-digest #2 - topics (Crimson, Schizoid review+) Re: "T.B.A" release by Crimson Sylvian/Fripp video KC live alone Adrian Belew sits in with Les & Frog Brigade Singles Compilation KC Singles ITCOTCK "Tapestry" Ladies Of The Road Dr Who vs KC schizoid band CD A Popular KC PG, Exposure, money, soft machine review Mastering mistake - no Re: Chart Success Re: Chart Success Newbie Rantings (continued) the origins of 'Zoom' and other CLUB CD observations club 21: the 80's band For Trey Gunn Fans and Touchstyle Players . . . ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. 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ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:19:39 -0000 From: "Evo Music site \(Ed -- Tiz\)" Subject: EVO e-digest #2 - topics (Crimson, Schizoid review+) Our site now titled Evo Music (think evolutionary!) http://www.geocities.com/evo_music/ carries the following reviews at its *new* URL (extra reviewers + news-gatherers always welcome, world-wide) 21st Century Schizoid Band, UK show in 2002 (original King Crimson members) http://www.geocities.com/evo_music/g-sch.html Keith Emerson and The Nice, 2002 London show http://www.geocities.com/evo_music/g-nic01.html Michael Manring / David Friesen / Steve Lawson, UK show http://www.geocities.com/evo_music/g-3bass.html Porcupine Tree CD 'in absentia' http://www.geocities.com/evo_music/cd-por-in.html The online version of our latest EVO e-digest features : * Anglagard to perform at NEARfest 2003 in U.S. * Sigur Ros - new CD + U.S. tour dates * King Crimson - further details on forthcoming CD * Focus - new CD + current world tour dates * Antonio Forcione - UK + Austrian tour dates * It Bites - live CDs + possible reunion + Dunnery / Difford * Cardiacs - new label / compilations * Defeat The Young - new line-up for London gig + how to subscribe to receive EVO e-digests via e-mail http://www.geocities.com/evo_music/p-3art.html awaits your vote, please, for the 3 best current music acts (bands / duos / solo artists) - the ever-growing results are updated online, regularly. Please invite friends to visit the page, and to vote. Tiz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:14:12 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Perkowsky Subject: Re: "T.B.A" release by Crimson Hey everyone, --- Edward wrote: > I found something weird when browsing Amazon.co.uk, > a scheduled > release by King Crimson for 2002, on Sanctuary, with > the title "T.B.A". > This is separate from the listing for the upcoming > "The Power to Believe", > and most interestingly provides a track-listing for > "T.B.A", as follows: > > Does anyone know what this is? Is this some > pre-existing proposed > track listing for tPtB? Or perhaps a tracklisting > from something else > entirely that glitched its way onto this Crimso > entry? The answer is "Yes" to the last question. Somehow, the tracklist for Queensryche vocalist Geoff Tate's horrible solo album is the one that was listed for this "TBA" entry. Maybe Tate figures he can sell more of this horrific release by calling it a forthcoming KC release? :) Take care, Adam Perkowsky ===== "It's such a fine line between stupid and... clever" -- David St. Hubbins & Derek Smalls, Spinal Tap ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:32:07 -0500 From: "Brian Hopely" Subject: Sylvian/Fripp video Hey All out there. I was wondering if any one of you folks would be willing to part with a copy of the Sylvian/Fripp live video? As far as I know, it was only released on Laser Disc, thus making it a COMPLETE WASTE! I may have some interesting material for trade. Please respond off list to cirkusfreak at hotmail dot com Thanks, B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:47:54 -0500 From: PBurnside at dcb-t dot com Subject: KC live alone Dave posted: > I'm thinking I may go to the next KC concert that rolls around ALONE, > seeing as I know no one who shares the same level of enthusiasm for the > band that I do. Anyone else had this same experience? Is going to a KC > show alone better than going with someone who only thinks they're amusing > you? I attended the show in Columbus, Ohio last November alone, as my wife just does not understand or appreciate KC, and all of my concert-going chums had moved away long ago, none of whom were into KC that much anyway. Once JPJones's set ended and Fripp & Co. began, the migraine which I had suffered all day lifted, soothed by the sensuousness that is KC, and I didn't care that I was alone. I enjoyed a certain amount of freedom in my solitary attendance, in that I was free to move around the venue to get a better view. So being alone is okay, as long as you don't mind being alone. Many people become nervous or self-conscious when alone. I would thus be of the opinion that it is better to be a loner than to be with someone who's liable to whine and gripe, and want to leave before the encore. Besides, you're never really alone at a concert anyway. Now, my brother and his wife saw the show about two weeks before me in Phoenix. Although she was not really a fan, she admitted that it was possibly the best concert she had ever attended. She didn't share the same level of experience, but they had a great time anyway. However, my brother and his wife are 10-15 years younger than me and my wife, so they experienced the show from a different perspective than we old fogies. Paul P.S. Please let's end the debate about the merits or demerits of the 21stCSB. If you like the music in the first place, go to see them and enjoy. If not, don't go and ignore the reviews and discussions of their concerts. There are much more important and interesting things to discuss than who has a "right" to the name or to perform the music. Besides, it is a non-subject anyway, as the only people it concerns are those directly involved. The whole subject is just nonsense, imho. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:57:27 -0800 From: Andrew Benzie Subject: Adrian Belew sits in with Les & Frog Brigade This was just posted to a local music list I'm on so I thought I'd pass it along: From a friend of mine... I have no idea how they hooked up, but Adrian Belew showed up at the Newport last night to sit in with Les Claypool. Adrian and Skerik were goofing off one another constantly, making faces, hand gestures, and jokes both verbal and musical. I'm pasting the set list below. It was AWESOME!! I'll try to get discs. Les Claypool Frog Brigade 1/19/2002 Columbus, Ohio -- Newport Music Hall Les. Eenor. Skerik. Mike D. Dean Johnson. Purple and Green balloons everywhere to start the set!!!! Makalaster I> Southbound Pachyderm tease> Makalaster I Buzzards of Green Hill Long in the Tooth Thela Hun Ginjeet* Highball with the Devil*> Drums> Highball with the Devil* Holy Mackeral* D's Diner* Calling Kyle* Makalaster II Whamola! E: Taxman* * with Adrian Belew from King Crimson -- http://www.andreworld.com ======================================================= "You will never find anybody who can give you a clear and compelling reason why we observe daylight savings time." - Dave Barry ======================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:00:26 -0600 From: "Phillip Ciskowski" Subject: Singles Compilation If I had to pick one song from each album that could be or was a single, they would be: 21CSM Cat Food Happy Family Ladies Of The Road Book Of Saturday The Night Watch Starless (edit) Elephant Talk Heartbeat Sleepless (Levin Mix) Dinosaur TWMOSKFWM (edit out spider fingers solo) Eyes Wide Open Note that these are not my favorites, just the most "radio friendly" IMHO. In the case of 21CSM it's the only one I have actually heard on the radio, although it was the April Wine version and the Greg Lake version on King Biscuit Flower Hour. By the way, isn't it curious that Ladies Of The Road is not on Ladies Of The Road? Phil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:27:33 -0500 From: Tim Subject: KC Singles > From: "David Reilly" > Subject: King Crimson Singles Compilation CD > > Looking forward to comiling that imaginary singles colection - surely it > would be the ideal taster for anyone looking to introduce the band? > > I know everyone loves a list..... I'm sure everyone has a lot of opinions-great idea for a list! Here's my take. Not being a huge fan of the pre-Wetton days I'll start my list with LTIA. My list is geared towards what-might-sound-good-on-the-radio, and what-would-a-newbie-most-likely-go-for (not necessarily the best song on the album!) Remember, it's all in fun! Here we go! LTIA: Easy Money (the 3 minute "single" version of course! :-) ) SABB: The Great Deceiver Red: Fallen Angel Discipline: Frame by Frame (ET is too obvious...!) Beat: Waiting Man TOAPP: Model Man (my vote for the best potential single from the 80s band-and one of the most overlooked tracks. Sounded like a great Cars song when I first heard it, at least until the loopy fretless guitar chorus! Elliot Easton never sounded like that, notwithstanding the Fripp-ish solo in "Since You're Gone". Doing a Belew solo may be another matter!) THRAK: People (sans the long ending) TCOL: TCOL-the vocal part (with some lyrics-ahem-"cleaned up" for radio!) Tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:56:47 -0500 From: "DENNIS DONEGAN" Subject: ITCOTCK "Tapestry" Upon hearing the 2nd disc from "Ladies of the road", that tapestry of various solos, I was not surprised at the way it was put together. Anyone with a copy of 'The Guide To LarKs' TonGues In AspiC' will have heard this done before with Parts One through IV c.of 'LTIA", the studio versions live recordings also. All the parts connected into one long piece. One complete studio and one complete live, he said redundantly. I do agree with most of the critiques of "Ladies.." as I've read them so far. I've never really liked abridged anything. I figure I'm a big boy and can take some disappointing moments from my favorite band, so leave it all in. --- DENNIS DONEGAN --- dennispca at earthlink dot net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:08:17 +0100 From: Laurent Masse Subject: Ladies Of The Road Also made my comparison with existing CC releases when receiving Ladies Of The Road yesterday. What I can add to the previous posts is that: 1) There is nothing in Sailor's Tale that we've not already heard: this is the unedited Detroit version with the fast opening theme and Mel's solo taken from Summit Studios. 2) Groon is clearly abridged (6+ min instead of 12+ on the original Summit), 21CSM is also shortened at the end of the solo (15 sec are missing). With the abridged Formentera, Cirkus and ITCOTKC, only Pictures and Letters are the complete versions. 3) All of Vol.2 has that very distinctive bass-heavy, not so good Earthbound sound; I assume everything there is taken from that tour. The first two tracks are the edited Jacksonville version found on Cirkus, and Wilmington (Earthbound version) is somewhere in the middle (track 5 I think). 4) If there is indeed something from the Zoom Club, it has to be Get Thy Bearings, the only real novelty on Disc 1. On a personal note, I really begin to be fed up with the obligatory hidden track. It sometimes works (on Happy or Level 5), but here it really feels like there is a 1 mn gap in what could have been a continuous flow, so what's the point? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:05:28 -0000 From: "S.P. Goodman" Subject: Dr Who vs KC I have to ask after "Wafo", who posted this: 3. Like King Crimson, Dr Who was a lot darker, scarier and heavier in 1974 than it was when it began, by 1981 it was cleverer but lighter with more synthesisers, and by the mid-nineties it had become a primarily North American production, a far cry from its quintessentially European roots When exactly did Dr Who OR King Crimson become a "primarily North American production"? Just having an American or three onboard doesn't in itself make such a thing so, unless perhaps one thinks that a "British production" must be 100% British. One would hope that such Siege Mentality isn't woven THAT deep into the psyche here in the UK. Or perhaps THAT'S why it's so difficult for an American to get work here, eh? S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 05:42:19 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Stack Subject: schizoid band CD This morning I'm on my third listen of the Schizoid Band CD. I received it two days ago courtesy of the folks at burningshed.com, and have had limited time. On my first headphone listen now, which presents a different perspective on music, but I'm also at work, which limits the amount of attention I pay to it. Still, a few initial thoughts on the album: 1. I enjoy Jakko's vocal quite a bit, but his guitar playing seems noticably absent. With the exception of "Ladies of the Road" and "21st Century Schizoid Man", the guitar is noticably absent/restrained in most of the pieces. 2. There's something about the performance that I can't quite put my finger on. The musicianship and performance are both excellent, but there's very much a quality that I can't describe that somewhat bothers me. I think it's something close to the music feels dated in many ways both in terms of the time of performance and the age of performers. I guess it feels like older men playing the part of younger men. They can certainly play the music in their sleep, but there's something about it that seems to have a museum quality to me. 3. Regardless of all of this, "Formentera Lady" is completely brilliant, what a performance! However, it's the only one that really stands out for me. Just my 2 cents. mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:36:26 -0500 From: Tim Subject: A Popular KC > with the right marketing mix, KC could break into mainstream consciousness, > leading to magazine articles, an appearance on Conan, perhaps having to > book into larger venues on tour. Well let's see-I've read many magazine articles on KC, they did indeed appear on Conan already, and the Tool tour was kinda big. I guess they're on their way! But to answer your question, in an odd way, yes, I would probably be less interested if they all of a sudden became quite the rage. I guess because there not "our little secret" anymore. It just seems that to become more popular, there is an inevitable push to appeal to the lowest common denominator (which I guess defines popularity-especially these days now that music is so much a business now). "So" is my least favorite PG album just for that reason-it just sounds so 80s in many ways-the loud snare on every beat like clockwork, the thin production. On the whole I like it (sorta) but it just doesn't seem to have the same creative spirit (though no doubt it was very successful from a commercial standpoint). Not that PG meant to sell out or anything, I think it was just a sign of the times and the industry. If KC went that direction I would definitely lose interest-simply because I wouldn't like the music as much. I think that if they continue on the path they're on, they may gain some popularity--but I don't see that "breaking them through" to the big time (not unless they write an "Owner of a Lonely Heart" type tune...shudder). But who knows-stranger things have happened! If the next era of the music industry reverts back to a more experimental, creative environment (after the demise of the bubble gum, which I agree is coming to the end of its cycle), then who knows! Stadium tours! Action figures! The Fripp Diet! Bring it on...! Tim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:34:22 -0600 From: Albert Oller Subject: PG, Exposure, money, soft machine review Hi all, Peter Gabriel's new CD "Up" has something Crimsonesque to it, when played to my ears and a few of my friends', and not just because of Tony Levin's contributions. There is a good review, not just of the CD but also this CD in the state of music today, at : http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/music/other_stories/documents/02466784.h tm Curtis mentioned that we should all get "Exposure". I agree, it's a great album. Which version do you like better? I prefer the first release (I think it was first), which never made it to CD. I find the overall production, especially vocals, to be more effective. This could just be because I heard that version first and it grew into me. The title cut is one of my all time favorites. Peter Gabriel's version of 'Exposure' is excellent too. It seems to me that Robert Fripp is pretty straight forward about money and music; both as a musician producing music in the music industry and as a musician producing music for consumers/audients. It also seems to me that the people writing into ET about Robert Fripp being 'money grubbing' have base desires themselves that they are projecting as Robert Fripp's motives. Sort of an inverse to William Shakespeare's "... protest too much". I really liked Craig's review of Soft Machine's albums. It was so positive and enthusiastic that it made me grab my old tapes and dig into their music again. Thank you. Regards, ago ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:35:47 -0500 From: jasontag at csionline dot net Subject: Mastering mistake - no Anna asks: "Before HEAVEN AND EARTH begins there is a 51-second period of silence in which the CD player counts backwards down to 00:00." This is not an error. Different CD players display these kinds of blanks differently; I have one that does the backwards countdown, while another just shows 00:00 during the entire time. This is an intentional gap. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:42:40 -0500 From: jasontag at csionline dot net Subject: Re: Chart Success Michael Brothers asks: "Would you embrace a more popular Crim, or would greater popularity turn you off? Or am I just daffy and there's no way they can reach a larger audience?" I would love a more popular Crim, assuming it was due to the audience expanding their sights, rather than Crimson contracting theirs. But the former is unlikely, so unless Crimson loses their edge completely, I doubt they will ever reach a larger audience. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:07:15 -0500 From: Dan Cooper Subject: Re: Chart Success In 1060, Michael Brothers wrote: "Would you embrace a more popular Crim, or would greater popularity turn you off? Or am I just daffy and there's no way they can reach a larger audience?" Interesting question. First off, let me relay a story from my youth. When Discipline came out a few of my high school fans & I were big fans, and were annoyed by the lack of interesting radio in our little Midwestern town. One station in particular loved playing Hall&Oates (after Fripp had moved on), Journey, Styx, etc. etc. Anyway, this station had a "Top Ten at Ten" deal every evening where they took requests all night, and the top ten requested songs were played back at 10pm. So...my friends and I started calling the station every night requesting "Elephant Talk." And each time we would call, the DJ would tell us that we couldn't request that song because it wasn't on their play list and that we should stop bothering him. Our point was that the Top ten list was irrelevant of phone calls, and was set based on what the Program Director prescribed for that night. My point is that Crimson will never get airplay, at least in the US. This has nothing to do with the merit of their new CD, only that commercial radio won't play anything that isn't treading a mainstream path. It's sad, but true. And, to be honest, I would not begrudge KC selling out bigger venues, but I think they are best appreciated live in a theater or club, where there is a more intimate connection with the audience. I've seen them at the so-called "sheds" (both as headliners and as part of the HORDE tour a few years back) and in venues as small as the 9:30 Club in Washington, DC, and I must say I appreciated the club venue much better. Some bands are just meant to be "boutique" bands with a selective audience, and KC is one of those bands. Let's revel in our uniqueness for appreciating this amazing band! Cheers, Dan Cooper ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:45:16 -0600 From: "John Spannaus" Subject: Newbie Rantings (continued) I haven't heard the splicings of Ladies of the Road yet, but I'm a bit uncomfortable with the premise of editing together numerous songs/takes to create a new track... I mean, I think the KCCC is a great idea. But only because it provides NEW tracks with every release.. Yes, I realize that Ladies of the Road is more of a "sampler".. But anyone that is into the Crim's enough to even CONSIDER buying KCCC material, surely doesn't need to take the time to buy a sampler first. Is this what is to come of the KCCC? Edits and remixes of previous released material?? Hell, we could do that ourselves and trade it around for free.. Oh and just to chime in on the whole Bruford debate.. He kicks ass.. Case closed. Only Ginger Baker is higher in my book. And they have very different styles anyways. And whoever claimed that HWWYHTBHW will be the Crim's most poppy album to date, is probably right.. But we'll see where they take it.. I wish they'd just come and tour through Austin, Texas sometime soon, though! On the Dream Theater front.. I saw them live with King's X and Joe Satriani.. Great show overall.. Dream Theater has some amazing musicianship. The ONLY reason I can't get into them is the VOCALS!! (the lizard complex) That guy sounds like some Pseudo-80's Ronnie James Dio dude.. If I wanted that I'd go and listen to some Mob Rules or Heaven & Hell.. Totally ruined their set in my opinion.. As for the list-making trend going on right now.. (yes, I too am a compulsive list-maker) This is a 1-disc compilation of KC (I know, I know.. KC doesn't FIT on 1-disc!!) for one of my friends who isn't familiar with them but has great taste in music: (Uh.. this is all hypothetical, Mr. Fripp!!) 21st Century Schizoid Man Epitaph (Sometimes God Hides Mix) Cat Food Ladies of the Road Red Fallen Angel One More Red Nightmare Improv - The Savage (Live KCCC 15) Dr Diamond (Live KCCC 15) <-- GREAT SONG!! How'd it never make the album?? Starless Easy Money (Live The Night Watch) <-- Much stronger than the studio version IMO Pictures of a City Obviously I'm a big RED fan.. But who isn't?? --Nick Spannaus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:00:42 +0000 From: "Michel Champagne" Subject: the origins of 'Zoom' and other CLUB CD observations Regarding the current queries regarding 'Zoom' on CLUB20 . . . my initial reaction upon reading the track listing was that it was indeed a composed piece of music, due to the omission of the 'Improv:' prefix, and this was borne out most definitely after actually listening to it. I don't care how good you are, four musicians pulling ideas out of thin air don't converge that often in a single twenty-two minute session. Of course, not every KC piece labeled as an improvisation sprang TOTALLY from thin air without ANY preconceived ideas, however rough. Even though it was apparently attempted after first appearing in Amsterdam, 'Trio' is conceptually much easier to arrive at in pure improvisatory mode, as it is a good bit slower and looser than many of the quasi-unison (or at the very least requiring a fair amount of coordination between the players) parts found on 'Zoom'. This is not to say that any four bums with instruments could come up with 'Trio,' (hardly!) but that its style lends itself more to the ability to come up with it via subtle interplay between musicians than does 'Zoom.' Also, the rather disjointed nature of the different sections of 'Zoom' as they move from one to the next give me the impression that this was (initially at least) really 'nothing more' than a collection of ideas that the band had been working on in rehearsals that had not yet made their way to finished form as a *song* per. se. And that it was probably a list of 'working titles' like "screechy bit", "jungle drums", "John and Bill" etc. that they planned to run through, assuming that they might take a left (or right) turn a few times along the way and happen upon some additional material in the process. What is indisputable (to me at least), is that these two CDs comprise the most indispensable KCCC release thus far, from a purely historical viewpoint. This, taken with their relatively poor sound quality, makes them the ideal material for the CLUB, and definitely why the club was formed in the first place. Hmmmm, this sounds familiar,might I be quoting the liner notes? Oh well, if I am then I agree wholeheartedly! But, taken in context alongside Live in Jacksonville (CLUB2), Live at Summit Studios (CLUB9), Earthbound, and Live at the Beat Club (CLUB3) this recording is in many ways (to me) somewhat of a 'missing link' between the Islands band and the fruition of the Larks' band proper. Fripp's apparent use of a wah-wah pedal (in Zoom, I believe) hearkens back to a few solos on 'Earthbound', and the general 'feel' of much of the music is definitely something new straining to present itself and be heard. This doesn't mean that many of the other KCCC releases have *no* historical significance; in fact CLUB9 has probably hit more folks in the face like a wet fish than Robert ever expected, for it shows the Islands band in top *professional* form (particularly without a mellotron at their disposal), despite the alleged disharmony between the members at the time, and lays to waste the oft-heard dismissal of that incarnation of Crimso was somehow not entitled to the same level of respect as were those that came before and after it. And actually all of the CLUB selections documenting work by the Islands band have been serious eye-openers for me. Oh, what the hell, ALL the CLUB CDs are great! (took me a while but I eventually got there!) But I do still think that CLUB20 is the real deal! Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:17:23 -0500 From: rspeak Subject: club 21: the 80's band Recommended reading for "eve" of the next club release or for any fan of the 80s quartet. http://www.elephant-talk.com/intervws/kingc-mu.htm Misc dates. according to the Crimson live website, the Beat tour ended late September 1982, the club release is from Jan 1983 and 3ofaPP was not released until April 1984, then band went their seperate ways at the end touring in July 1984. The above interview is from the August 84 edition of Musician. "inevitable frictions" Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:03:33 EST From: ProgressiveSP at cs dot com Subject: For Trey Gunn Fans and Touchstyle Players . . . For all of you Touchstyle players / enthusiasts there is a very nice Warr Guitar currently up for auction on ebay. Check it out at : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=924277809 You don't see many of these for sale or auction. Just thought I'd give a polite "heads up!" PSP ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1061 *********************************