Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1060 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1060 Thursday, 21 November 2002 Today's Topics: Re: Ladies of the Road Chart Success Andy McCullloch Niacin Tour--Cover of "Red" Dr Who again Ladies Of The Road Exposure & Happy... Rachel Z and Tony Levin at J&R Music (11/20) Ladies of The Road the TBA album Re: Dream Theater Zoom KC Pop songs Mr. Fripp, the shameless money grubber adrian and les together Prog and Classical Music. Also Another Mastering Mistake Soft Machine & Fripp Compilations Dream Theater's sound system Bill Bruford Interview Vivaldi Re: "Improv:?" 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ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:56:10 EST From: IanSharwood at aol dot com Subject: Re: Ladies of the Road Dear Folk I have just listened to the longest 21st CSM ever and I have to say that I enjoyed it no end! I think this was a brilliant idea. A dear friend of mine has often said that he loves Robert's Solos but doesn't hear enough of them. Guess what he is getting for Xmas! I would love to hear the same from the 1972 - 1974 band. I was sceptical but am now convinced, excellent idea. Regarding whether there is any new material here, there must be a wealth. This line-up has only (did I say only!) released 5 live albums; there are eleven tracks. I am a bit pushed for time but I don't recognise tracks 3, 4, 6, 7, 9 and 11 (I have everything the band has produced). Track 11 appears to contain two separate guitar solos cut together. The mathematics add up, 5 plus 7 equals twelve; there are eleven tracks with one containing two solos. I may well be wrong but I have a fair ear even at my age. Any thoughts? (I can't be bothered to do a side by side comparison and I really don't have the time.) Thank you all at DGM for an interesting listen. Great stuff! Ian Sharwood I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:38:20 -0600 From: "Brothers, Michael (IA)" Subject: Chart Success Sometimes, a band or artist can achieve popular success without even trying. I can remember being a closet Gabriel fan for years, wondering when the Styx/Journey/Roxette listening crowd was going to wake up and appreciate true talent. 'So' took care of that, and I found myself liking him even more. The hardcore fan, though, cried 'Sell out!' and left the fold. [ Good illustration of what an idiotic idea the "hardcore fan" is. "Hardcore fans" are "fan"-tasists. -- Toby ] KC seems poised to break out in a similar fashion. Probably not to the level Gabriel did, of course, but breakout to several hundred thousand new fans. The reasoning behind this assertion--the new music has 'muscle', RF has injected some young, energetic blood into the mix in the persons of Gunn and Mastelloto (and Belew just keeps getting better), the music industry today is fragmented beyond belief, the bubblegum trend seems to be wearing quite thin, there are more radio stations in existence that will play cuts from 'The Power To Believe'. I do not find it inconceivable that with the right marketing mix, KC could break into mainstream consciousness, leading to magazine articles, an appearance on Conan, perhaps having to book into larger venues on tour. I for one would be thrilled if this would happen. What do you good people think? Would you embrace a more popular Crim, or would greater popularity turn you off? Or am I just daffy and there's no way they can reach a larger audience? Take Care, mike np - My Kids 'You're a Booger nose! Am not! Are too!' Michael S. Brothers "You can't handle the truth. Nooo truth handler you. I deride your truth handling abilities." - Sideshow Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:58:37 -0600 (Central Standard Time) From: "Jeffc0101 at comcast dot net" Subject: Andy McCullloch well, I guess someone struck a nerve criticizing our esteemed Mr.. Bruford, but I decided to go the other way and listen very closely to Andy McCulloch s drumming on Lizard. I was curious because I really had no opinion of him. Bruford caught my ear immediately upon hearing him on Fragile, I remember thinking, "This guy is INCREDIBLE!". His touch on the drums and placement of the groove are unique. On the other hand, I've listened to Lizard a number of times and really came away with no solid opinion of the drumming. Focusing on it , I now have one : very annoying! (An emotion, I might add, that I have never experienced while listening to BB, and I've heard most everything he's played on) Not to say that Andy is an annoying drummer himself, but his constant use of either fast single strokes or slow double strokes on the snare (I can't tell which) really grates on the nerves after a while. Like I said before, I didn't notice this until I deliberately focused on the drums. And what's the deal with the toms? I think he hits a small tom on the first song and then all that's heard for the rest of the record are snare, cymbals and kick.Did Fripp take away his toms? As far as mixing it up, he basically seems to play the Crimso - style groove established by Michael Giles on Court. Not as imaginative, though (IMHO). Overall, I'd say Andy is a solid, competent player. But to even compare him to one of the world's most gifted percussionists is just asking for trouble. Viva le batterie ! Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:16:47 -0800 From: "Pam& Dave" Subject: Niacin Tour--Cover of "Red" Caught Niacin (Billy Sheehan, John Novello, Dennis Chambers) at Brick By Brick on Nov 14, the first night of their tour. A spectacular show. They played nothing but their own instrumental compositions, with a single exception: At one point, Billy Sheehan announced that they wanted to do an old song "by a British Rock Group. If you know the words, feel free to sing along!" And then they launched into "Red." A strange sound when the lead instrument is an organ rather than a guitar, but Sheehan picked up many of the guitar parts on the bass. "Red" is also covered on their new album "Time Crunch," though the recording doesn't to justice to the live version. Crimson aficionados might like Niacin (I certainly do, but KC audients are a mixed bag.) You can check out their tour dates and a few cuts from their new album at www.niacinb3.com. Happy listening. David Isaak ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:59:36 -0000 From: "Wafo" Subject: Dr Who again In response to the question about the possible connections between King Crimson and Doctor Who, I notice this: 1. Each spans several decades, beginning in the sixties 2. A constantly changing line-up, resulting in several distinct "periods" 3. Like King Crimson, Dr Who was a lot darker, scarier and heavier in 1974 than it was when it began, by 1981 it was cleverer but lighter with more synthesisers, and by the mid-nineties it had become a primarily North American production, a far cry from its quintessentially European roots 4. The general public in the UK, if indeed they are old enough to have heard of either, has a particular image of both which is picks up on one tiny aspect of each and enlarges it to become the principle thing of note - for Dr Who it's "wobbly sets", for King Crimson it's "prog rock" 5. Both constantly over-reach themselves trying to express greatness (and not always succeeding) - it is the striving in each case which is attractive 6. Both are fond of utilising sheer terror to scare the hell out of the viewer/listener 7. Both seem to have a fanbase which isn't afraid of slagging off the material they don't like, usually in a "They aren't as good as they used to be" sort of way. (Mind you, Crimso's is less violent. The production team on Dr Who were known to receive death threats on occasion). Compare this with the fanbase for something like Star Trek, which seems to treat its subject more referentially 8. Both attract intelligent people, who enjoy sinking their teeth into an ever-changing, impenetrable world of contradiction and discontinuity - I think this might be the main thing for me - trying to make sense of something that, at first glance, doesn't Just some thoughts... Wafo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:11:22 -0000 From: "Keith Burns" Subject: Ladies Of The Road I'd long been looking forward to "Ladies Of The Road", but am a bit disappointed by the final form of the release. This should have been the mainstream release to set the record straight on the Mel, Ian, Boz & Bob lineup, and because of the excellent KCCC we know that ample good quality material exists. But, like many others, I'm left somewhat perplexed. Disc 1 is particulary frustrating as it clearly had the potential to be excellent. It's a compilation of the best of the Collector's Club material, plus a bit of as-yet unreleased material from the Zoom Club shows. What IS included is excellent and shows, as the KCCC releases have done, that this band was much better than either "Islands" or "Earthbound" would have led one to believe. My disappointment is centred around what is NOT included! Given that the running time is only 45 minutes, I can't understand why the following choices were made: The Omissions: 1) "Ladies Of The Road". When the track list was announced I was somewhat surprised that the "title" song itself was not included, as there is quite a good version of it on the "Circus" live compilation. 2) "Lady Of The Dancing Water / Cadence & Cascade". Excellent versions of these exist on the "Live In Detroit" release, and would have shown off the gentler side of the band to good effect. The Edits: 1) "Formentera Lady". From the "abridged" note on the sleeve I thought that this would mean they'd just trimmed the improv at the end a bit. What they've actually done is cut out most of the vocal portion! Why??? But at least the sleeve mentions that there IS an edit, unlike... 2) "Cirkus". The cracking version from Detroit, except that the first verse (after the vocal/piano intro) has been entirely cut out. Again, why??? 3) "ITCOTKC". OK, it's the joke version from Detroit, but why only the first 45 seconds? Again, the tracklist does not mention that this is severely abridged and that it is not a serious reading of the song. Many buyers unaware of the KCCC might be rather more disappointed by this track. Actually there are other edits too, but IMHO these do serve to improve the material given that this is a mainstream release, i.e. the long drum solo on "Groon" is largely cut and I'm sure that little bits of less than scintillating improv on "Schizoid Man" are cut too. As far as Disc 2 goes, I can only agree with the views already expressed. It's a great idea, and contains much great playing, but the sudden stop leaves one "hanging", and the extra bit is just confusing. The whole thing would have been great if it had been continuous and was bookended with the non-improv bits of the song itself, as was the excellent "Thrakatack". Overall, great material by a great band, but a bit of a missed opportunity too. Keith Burns ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:12:58 +0000 From: Curtis Martens Subject: Exposure & Happy... For those taken aback by the songs on HWWYHTBHW, get out your copy of Robert Fripp's EXPOSURE (paying special attention to Chicago, Disengage, North Star), then try listening to the new one. If you don't own a copy of Exposure, go buy one right away! You'll never regret it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:17:37 -0500 From: "Robert C. Parducci" Subject: Rachel Z and Tony Levin at J&R Music (11/20) I was walking past J&R Music during lunch and noticed the flyer for Wednesday perfomance. Anyone who lives or works in downtown NYC should check this out! - Robert >From Tony's web site Rachel Z, the pianist here on the Gabriel tour, has arranged an instore appearance in New York on Nov. 20th. She's asked me to play bass with her, so we'll make it a kind of dual appearance for playing and signing, in that the store will, I think, feature my new CD too. We'll be playing Rachel's music, though, from her new CD Moon at the Window - her jazz trio versions of songs of Joni Mitchell.) The instore is at 12:30pm on Nov. 20th, at J&R Music - 23 Park Row (I think that is B'way way downtown at Ann St.) [ Folks, sorry that this didn't make it to ET in time -- Toby ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:16:48 -0500 From: "Donald Gavron" Subject: Ladies of The Road On Disc 2, track 11, the sound drops out for about a minute from 4:57 to about 5:57. Is this intentional? If so, why? Or is this just a flaw in the manufacture? Any help would be appreciated. DJ Gavron gav dot don at worldnet dot att dot net www.nitetimedesign.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:27:59 +1100 From: "Keenan, Owen" Subject: the TBA album edward at mysticinsect dot freeserve dot co dot uk mentioned this... >I found something weird when browsing Amazon.co.uk, a scheduled release by >King Crimson for 2002, on Sanctuary, with the title "T.B.A". This is >separate from the listing for the upcoming "The Power to Believe", and >most interestingly provides a track-listing for "T.B.A", as follows: 1. >Flood 2. Forever 3. Helpless... That CD is a new solo album by Queensryche singer Geoff Tate and not a forthcoming Crimson release. The false listing seems to have its origins in both releases having originally been listed as having the same catalogue number (SANCD123). I think that number is actually just a dummy number that Sanctuary attaches to all its forthcoming releases... or something like that. Hope that clears things up, sorry to disappoint anyone who was expecting any extra Crim. Cheers, O! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:36:00 -0500 From: "Roy Miles" Subject: Re: Dream Theater Don't blame the band for the venue's sound.. On their previous tour, I saw DT at the Beacon Theater here in NYC, and they were amazing.. They played over 4 hours, including Metallica's "Master of Puppets" in it's entirety. And the musicianship was tremendous.. Nice change from KC playing their paltry 80 minutes... Actually on the Level 5 tour, John Paul Jones played longer as the opening act than KC did as the main attraction! Oh, and if anyone cares to try out some DT, start with "Scenes From a Memory".. Just an amazing album.. Roy from Brooklyn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:33:28 +0100 From: Laurent Masse Subject: Zoom >Notice, BTW, that the track is listed as "Zoom", not "Improv: Zoom" (whereas >the improvs on the album are generally listed as "Improv: Zoom Zoom" etc.). >This makes me wonder how much of Zoom is improvized, and how much is >planned. It certainly sounds largely improvizational, but it may have >certain composed sections (including the pre-Lament excerpts) with >improvizational sections as well. There's also a bit of Dr. Diamond in there. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:34:04 -0000 From: "Wafo" Subject: KC Pop songs In ET 1059, David Reilly writes: "I was interested to read that one poster, whose name eludes me I'm afraid, suggested that every KC album (except Lizard) had a potential single. Can they post what those potential singles are?" Yes, it was me I'm afraid. This is a hotly debatable list but here we go: I Talk to the Wind Cat Food Ladies of the Road Book of Saturday The Great Deceiver The Night Watch Fallen Angel Elephant Talk Matte Kudasai Heartbeat Three of a Perfect Pair Sleepless Dinosaur Sex Sleep Eat Drink Dream People Into the Frying Pan Happy With... (and presumably) Eyes Wide Open And no, I don't think it would make a great compilation, though there may be one in there somewhere... PS. I'm not saying these are all really good examples of hit singles, but they're the nearest to classic pop songs I can find in the KC catalogue. ITCOTCK was a single, I believe, but I can't bring myself to include it here. Book of Saturday has no percussion and I'm sure it wouldn't sell, but it's got a classic pop ballad structure and it's the right length. Actually, the more I look at the list, the more wrong it looks. But I think the point I was trying to make in my last post is that KC does attempt pop songs frequently, and Happy With should be no surprise. Aren't lists great? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:20:02 -0500 From: Gregory Faiers Subject: Mr. Fripp, the shameless money grubber Donovans "must read diatribe" in #1059 concluded with the quip "My record dealer summed it up in one sentence: "he needs cash"." If you don't need cash sir, consider yourself blessed. If Mr. Fripp didn't do these things for cash, we'd have nothing to listen to. Do you think the muse gives Mr. Fripp a monthly stipend? BTW, I don't feel obligated to purchase everything Krimson. I have some of the archival live material, but I don't have a need to own everything. Perhaps my selectiveness precludes me from feeling that I am getting ripped off and lining the pockets of a shameless money grubber. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:09:34 +0000 From: "Spear man" Subject: adrian and les together wow adrian belew and les claypool's frog brigade http://www.adrianbelew.net/ ADRIAN TO PERFORM WITH LES CLAYPOOL / FROG BRIGADE On November 19, 2002, Adrian will be dropping in on Les Claypool and the Frog Brigade at the Newport Music Hall in Columbus, OH. The Frog Brigade has been performing Adrian's King Crimson tune, "Thela Hun Ginjeet" on their tour so who better to join them than Adrian? You do not want to miss this once in a lifetime show. [ Folks, sorry again this didn't make it to ET in time -- Toby ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:28:52 +0000 From: "Anna Rose" Subject: Prog and Classical Music. Also Another Mastering Mistake Hi ET! Does anyone have anything interesting to say about people who treat prog as though it were classical music? This comes up because today in school for music class we were played the entire of DARK SIDE OF THE MOON. We are, it seems, doing concept albums, and something called MUSIQUE CONCRETE was mentioned - apparently a fancy name for music with noises in it. I also have permission to bring in a concept album and more musique-using-noises for next week so if anyone has any bright ideas apart from the obvious - THE WAITING ROOM - please mail me with them. It is quite annoying when people talk about rock music seriously. I am sure the reason it was invented was to NOT be taken seriously. And another thing... I think my copy of CONSTRUkCTION has a mastering mistake. Before HEAVEN AND EARTH begins there is a 51-second period of silence in which the CD player counts backwards down to 00:00. I take it this is NOT intentional? I seem to have very bad luck with Crim CDs. Thanks - Anna. Fantastic Crim quote:And if a bird can talk who once was a dinosaur And a dog can dream Should it be implausible that a man might supervise The construKction of light? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:58:08 -0000 From: "DAVID TATE" Subject: Soft Machine & Fripp Compilations I enjoyed reading Craigs endorsement of Soft Machine albums 1 to 4 in ET1059 and agree totally. Two very good live CDs are also available and well worth having. 1) NOISETTE recorded at Fairfield Hall 1970 and VIRTUALLY Bremen 1971. I understand that part of THIRD is taken from the Fairfield Hall gig, either way you are poorer without any of these recordings to turn on to when the need arises. It is strange that this first post to ET commenced with matters not concerned with our great love Crimso but with another band. This might be because having given away all my records at the end of the 1970s (Including Crimso) and not getting a cd player until 1995, my music collection now only consists of King Crimson and Soft Machine. (Not including classical and Indian music) I have discovered that there is very little indeed that I can listen to from those days which really moves heart and mind. This is not true of Crimso and I am always moved by Fripps guitar and the collective work of the musical heroes who go forth to create with him. I re-bought the first Crimso album in 95 and the other 70s albums soon after. However after obtaining the superb EPITAPH box set and extra two official bootlegs that go with it, I was perfectly situated to get involved with the KC Collectors Club when it commenced. I was not sure that I wanted the later groups KCCC issues, but decided to get them anyway and this was wise because I very swiftly came to love the Belew Crimson almost as much as the old and even have all the mainstream releases now. For all you chaps out there who don't know which KCCC discs to get, stop worrying and get them all, they are all works of genius. This might not be a bad idea anyway because it would help the bands cash flow, and encourage the Frippster to give us much more. (Which we need). I would even pay double the price for more 60s & 70s warts and all concerts, they're so fascinating and indeed 'Priceless'. Excuse the length, but just one more observation. I find myself agreeing very much with Donovan Mayne Nicholls in his DIATRIBE in ET1059 concerning Roberts 'Compilations', which are undoubtedly rather irritating to some of us. (Amusingly, It has I think, been mentioned before in ET, that he should not be allowed to do any more of them) He does them very well generally and they are artistic, but apart from EARTHBOUND which was a triumph, and perhaps YOUNG PERSONS GUIDE TO KC which was fine at the time, they don't satisfy, or get played much. Like Donovan Mayne Nicholls and I suspect hundreds of like minded Crimso gig lovers, we would much rather have the unabridged boz collins band playing the Zoom club, or any other place for that matter in its entirety. I, along with many others, love all the early Crimso line-ups and I don't want to mix them up.They are different and should remain so, as they were recorded. This is why the HYDE PARK or CENTRAL PARK discs are so superb. On this last note it is now the right moment to say a very big thanks to you dear old Uncle BOBBIE FRIPP for the KCCC. Thankyou, more! more! DT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:15:05 -0300 From: "The Necron Stratomailer" Subject: Dream Theater's sound system Neil Wicker wrote: "I recently saw them in Atlanta touring with Joe Satriani and King's X and thought they were a horrible live band. They could clearly play what they were supposed to, but the sound was poorly mixed and WAY too loud for the venue. Jordan Rudess could barely be heard at times and James LaBrie was so distorted that he was unintelligible." Humm... maybe it's just me but that kind of thing should be blamed on the sound engineer or anyone *out* of the band, shouldn't it? Maybe live albums are not a good source to talk about how good a band is live, but... Check the live part of DT's "A Change of Seasons": Not only are the guys in great shape, but the sound quality is amazing as well. Then check their live album "Once in a LIVEtime": The performance is pretty good (James has some ups and downs here and there, but what the hey anyways) but the sound is not that good - The bass guitar has no presence, it sounds real thin (like a rubber band - this can be heard very well on "Puppies on Acid", where the guitar stops playing the riff and goes for a solo, and the base falls down completely). In any case... I saw a Red Hot Chili Peppers concert last week on MTV. It was a concert they did on Moscow during the "Californication" tour: great sound, horrible performance (John Frusciante, in particular). So I'd take DT with bad sound anyday (although a good sound is , well... a good thing ). Our moderator is probably thinking about how we should take this discussion somewhere else so I'll , err.... shut my fingers? In any case, KC RULES!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:57:43 -0500 From: John Garaguso Subject: Bill Bruford Interview Hiya all, I'm an avid reader and sometimes contributor to ET, (as well as a KC fan for close to 4 decades), but lately just haven't had the time to post much. I wish I had more advance notice for everyone on this, as I'd love to get some interesting questions to ask from his fans, but I will be conducting and taping an interview with Bill Bruford for my progressive music internet website this Thursday. (11/21/02) It will be taped and aired on our station sometime over the next 2 weeks. In respect to ET I won't advertise our site on their page, but if anyone is interested in acquiring information on when and how to listen to Bill speak on what he's been doing lately and what's in store for the future, I will gladly respond to all emails with our URL. All the best John Garaguso DAPRR jrgmmg at comcast dot net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:06:14 -0500 From: Michael Bennett Subject: Vivaldi While visiting Peter Sinfield's web site, I discovered something interesting. One of my favorite songs is his The Song of the Sea Goat from his album Stillusion. The background music is actually Vivaldi's Concerto in D Major for Lute and Strings, second movement. I have loved the Vivaldi piece since I first heard Steve Howe perform it on his second solo album. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:08:08 -0500 From: "Jordan Clifford" Subject: Re: "Improv:?" >Notice, BTW, that the track is listed as "Zoom", not "Improv: >Zoom"(whereas the improvs on the album are generally listed as "Improv: >Zoom Zoom" etc.). This makes me wonder how much of Zoom is improvized, >and how much is planned. It certainly sounds largely improvizational, but >it may have certain composed sections (including the pre-Lament excerpts) >with improvizational sections as well. Yes, I have often wondering about that. It also makes me think about other songs I thought were basically Improv that don't start with "Improv:" in the title. Like Providence (unless I'm mistaken and that is shown as Improv:Providence somewhere I'm forgeting) or ...It Is For You But Not For Us. I've also wondered what about Sharks Lungs in Lemsip is composed. I don't really remember what it sounds like, but I remember it sounding improvised. I could be very wrong because the name indicates it is an offshoot from LTIA, so perhaps it is an improv based on the frame and structure of that song. I don't know/remember. But Zoom certainly sounds very improvised, but I could see where they might have been working on some parts of it. But then again, Trio sounds almost entirely composed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:02:28 -0500 From: "Jordan Clifford" Subject: Re: crimtoos >Howdy: Any Eters out there who have Crim- related tattoos.(CRIMTOOS?) Just >daydreaming aloud at this point, but I would love to hear what you have, >where the work was done and your experience. Personally, The LTIA Sun/Moon >cover has its own and would look cool. Personally, I've always thought that the Sun/Moon from LTIA would be a perfect tattoo, as would the knot from Discipline, and if you're REALLY into tattooing Krimson art the THRAK symbol could work pretty well too. If I were to get a tattoo I would really consider the LTIA symbol, not because its KC but because its really beautiful. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:28:10 -0500 From: "Jordan Clifford" Subject: Re: live kc videos >A full DVD supplement to Heavy ConstruKction (a la "deja VROOOM"). We know >the Bootleg TV stuff must still exist! I completely agree. I want especially to see KC live doing improvs, and the what i think is a generous live video on the Heavy ConstruKction set is the only place we see that. Why was KC so well documeted in the mid 70s on audio but not on video. There are existing live videos of MANY bands that played in the 70s-why none of KC? seeing a live KC show from the 70s would be amazing. Seeing a live KC show of recent time would be amazing too, I'm just very interested in their improv and unfortunately I believe Deja VROOOM offers none, unless I'm forgetting and there is something like Circular Improv or whatever for 2 minutes on there. Anybody know of any live KC videos from the 70s? or any others besides official releases? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:26:02 -0600 From: CRAIG Subject: LOW FLYING AIRPLANE (w/David Cross, Keith Tippett, etc) Hullo All, FYI: Just posted this rare KING CRIMSON off-shoot band`s LP on eBay Features David Cross, Keith Tippett, Jim Juhn, & Dan Maurer (w/ guest Eric Drew Feldman (of Capt Beefheart`s Magic Band)............. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=923749906 LOW FLYING AIRCRAFT-"S/T" LP on Subterranean Records label(featuring members of KING CRIMSON, OVARY LODGE, CENTIPEDE, and HAZARD PROFILE!) Very rare,MINT/*sealed*, Out of Print 1986 recording by this excellent one-off avant- progressive rock group. ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1060 *********************************