Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1054 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1054 Thursday, 7 November 2002 Today's Topics: NEWS: Fripp diary update Frippian Encounters Heavy Construction - Live Concert Video Re: Greg Lake & John Wetton ladies of the rip-off Re: Ladies of the Road = ripoff? KC/21stCSB Happy, QOTSA, ET 1052... United States of Whatever The New Album, the Eno connection Left out drummers, Gabriel and the term Pre Teen is just a pun on my former A Straight Answer Re: Grand Funk Railroad Re: A reflection on Lizard and Andy McCulloch I'm Working Backwards Through Crimson Re: Live Concert Video Heavy ConstruKction Re: Bill Bruford Hyde Park for sale schizoid band and Mick Abrahms Heavy Construkction Video Ladies of Road--Zoom Club '71: at least the sound will be from the soundboar ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:42:02 -0800 (PST) From: rone at ennui dot org (definitely what) Subject: NEWS: Fripp diary update In case you haven't visited in a while, Robert updated his diary on November 1. rone ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:13:41 EST From: RC248 at aol dot com Subject: Frippian Encounters ETaholics : Having started to read this column of self flagellation with the human sparklers of Crimsonesque delirium, I will pass along two ever so small vignettes. Living in my own start of delirium in New York City, we often encounter close encounters of the third kind - and Senor Fripp is yet another to pass along for your digestation. I have 'encountered' him twice. Once, you just had to laugh, there he was, in my Barnes and Nobles bookstore, alone, ever the mad professor, with - a shopping cart, LOADED with all sorts of wonderfully pretentious books titles. ( markdowns, of course ). How Frippian, to see this loaded cart of preposterous titles ( which now escape me, I know - you are dying to know what he was reading ) but this was several years ago. He looked ever the mad academic. He looked at me with the look of an antagonized intellectual who writes about 16th. Century Elizabethan poetry. He had an imaginary, cosmic halo around him, that protected him from all violators. The second Frippianesque moment is even more funny - him, alone in a falafel place in the Village ! This time, I did introduce myself, ever so quietly, and he DID speak in what can be called 'clipped' tones. Again, his eternal Fripp halo protects him from all encounters of this kind. I murmured my appreciation of his work, which seemed to wound him personally, and almost mortally. Thank God I left before inflicting a fatal blow, such as, LOVE THE NEW WORK. That would have caused a coronary, so I left. The owner of the store, a friend, told me, who's Greek - " Oh, yeah, that's this guy Fripp - he's a big rock star, always comes here when he's in town !! " Next title : " In the Court of the Falafel King " ? Crimson and clover, over and over......... King Richard of Manhattan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:18:17 +1100 From: "Peter Allen" Subject: Heavy Construction - Live Concert Video I find it works best in Internet Explorer with the password "rome" (as in Live in Rome video). Perhaps the easiest way is to avoid the web browser interface altogether (with its "click_me" file), and just open the audio/video file :\data\kcrome.asf in Windows Media player. You go straight to Windows Media Player - no password required. Peter > Help! How do I access this video? The password link appears to be > dead. Is this something that might now unofficially circulate in VCD > format? > > Tony Iremonger Dr Peter Allen (pda at melbpc dot org dot au) Melbourne PC User Group ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:54:05 +0100 From: "Eddy de Causmaecker" Subject: Re: Greg Lake & John Wetton I don't know who posted the comment on Greg Lake having gained weight, but I just visited John Wetton's site, and I couldn't believe my eyes! http://www.johnwetton.co.uk/ Eddy Flycatcher (trying a lifetime to lose some weight) flycatcher at zeelandnet dot nl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 05:30:16 -0800 (PST) From: hugh manatee Subject: ladies of the rip-off > > Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:32:46 -0500 > > From: "Nik Smith" > > Subject: Ladies of the Road=ripoff? > > I read what will be included in the Ladies of the > Road 2CD release and I am > VERY VERY disapointed. They devote 4 CDs to the > Wetton-era, 2 CDs to the > Greg Lake-era, and just one to Boz, with some > solos mashed together for the second CD? > > Is it just me, or does anyone else feel cheated? quite the opposite - the 2nd disc is the one that i am most interested in, i will be (plesantly) surprized if disc 1 gets multiple playings from me. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:46:03 -0000 From: Sandy Starr Subject: Re: Ladies of the Road = ripoff? Nik Smith wrote, regarding the new 'Ladies of the Road' release: > I would have rather have, instead of what is included on CD2, either > songs that weren't included on the first CD, songs like Peoria and stuff > like that, OR if those two weren't possible, then just different versions > of the songs that already appeared on CD1. Mashing together a bunch of > solos from schizoid man just seems like such a cop-out to me. I disagree. First of all, editing pieces together from different sources can be a great method of composition, provided that the editing is done well and that the source material is good. This is why I like Pat Mastellotto's ProjeKcts/BPM&M editing work, and why I really dig 'THRaKaTTaK'. Frank Zappa was, of course, a master at using editing as a composition tool. I dig the idea of the Vicar stitching Schizoid Man solos together into a new piece. The piece might reveal something new about the essence of the music. And the piece is a glimpse into an alternate world, where those musicians played that extended piece. Sadly, this isn't the world we live in - just as we don't live in a world that would have allowed the Double Trio to perform the material on 'THRaKaTTaK' straight through and still earn a profit touring. I understand Nik's desire for more material from this line-up to be represented. I love 'Islands', and I love the 'Live at Summit Studios' collector's cub release, which has good sound quality, good interpretations of repertoire, and good improvs. But the way I see the 'Ladies of the Road' release is as a definitive summary (necessarily incomplete) of this particular line-up live. It's similar to 'VROOOM VROOOM' in that respect. Some people called 'VROOOM VROOOM' a rip-off, but that misses the point. Prior to 'VROOOM VROOOM', the Double Trio in concert was only represented by its tentative earliest concert recording ('B'Boom'), a collector's club release ('On Broadway'), a collection of improvs ('THRaKaTTaK'), snippets on compilations ('Cirkus' and 'Sometimes God Smiles') and singles ('Dinosaur' and 'Sex Sleep Eat Drink Dream'), a video ('Live in Japan'), and an internet download ('Live in Mexico City'). That may seem like an awful lot (it is), but it doesn't amount to a distilled record of the Double Trio at their live best, playing the repertoire after plenty of touring experience. 'VROOOM VROOOM' filled the gap. Collectors who own all of the aforementioned releases may decline to buy 'VROOOM VROOOM', but I for one appreciate having it, and in nice packaging. 'Ladies of the Road' is the same thing, with a nice PJ Crook cover, only for the 'Islands' line-up rather than the Double Trio. And as a bonus, with a new composition - one assembled in the editing room by the Vicar. What's to complain about? The Vicar is himself baffled at Robert Fripp's and David Singleton's dedication in bringing us 'Ladies of the Road'. In his diary on the DGM website, he says: 'Robert is currently planning the future of the greater Crim with Adrian B, and David is preparing the final run through of "Ladies of the Road". Why anyone would spend three months struggling to flatter a band from 30 years ago is beyond me. That he would do it for a share of royalties which will probably total less than $2,000 beggars belief.' I think we're very lucky that King Crimson and its colleagues find so much time to attend to the band's archives and legacy, at the same time as working to bring entirely new music into the world. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:25:40 -0600 From: "Grant Colburn" Subject: KC/21stCSB David Allen wrote: "As far as I'm concerned, the 21stCSB has more right to the damn name (NOT THAT THEY'RE USING IT!!!) than the actual "King Crimson" has had from LTIA onward." Though this would seem to perhaps be some type of a "moral" issue, I'm sure the reality is far different. As each member left the original band they couldn't take the name with them, nor did they have the ability to see the future and realize that a group with the name King Crimson would continue to exist for 30 years. (heck, chances are NO band in 1969 figured their group would survive that long!) When it came down to Fripp and Sinfield being the last 2 members, it seems logical that Fripp would keep the name by default. Sinfield being a non playing member would have had limited use of the name and probably didn't give it much thought who owned the name by that point. "And they (21stCSB) certainly have every right to play the KC music they helped create. I DON'T SEE THE ISSUE! " I don't either. If people want to see it, that's all that matters. Surely a band of NO original members could hit the road playing KC covers so why not the original members? "I really feel KC '72-'74 should have had it's own original name, as should have the '81-'84 KC. Again, its really a brand name. Fripp was in his early 20's during the '72-'74 years and wanted the band to be successful. Why would he shoot himself in the toe on purpose by releasing music under an unknown name? In the '80s band he "almost" did, yet even then that version of KC had 2/3rds of the members from the remaining '70s band. Clearly Fripp OWNS the name, and chances are it was basically GIVEN to him by the other members leaving. Its not like KC was seen as a big money maker to those leaving members so why would they care? Its only in hindsight that some old members have realized the value to the name. The same thing happened with Jimmy Page and the Yardbirds too. He was the last to join, the band was in shambles and when the rest of the members left, he ended up owning the name. From there he was able to get gigs for the New Yardbirds which of course changed their name afterword to Led Zeppelin. "'94-present KC's name should have been some kind of "creative" synthesis of these two names (not to put it down, some of my favorite music is from this period - specifically the "Heavy ConstruKction"-? period)." I don't think most people question it that much. The band Jethro Tull could be Ian Anderson plus a bunch of unknown guys (which it pretty much is!), but the future of the band and its name have to do with how good the group delivers to its fan base. Had all KC's after 1969 completely sucked the band and its name would have died long ago. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:45:53 +0000 From: "satan's right hand" Subject: Happy, QOTSA, ET 1052... Hey kids, posting on a few topics... First of all, the new EP: I have to admit this is the first KC cd that I've bought where I'm a little puzzled. I 'like' most of it, but what does it MEAN? Does it mean anything? Does a lack of meaning (for me) define whether I LOVE it or just like it? Does it have to...not necessarily. Also, personally, I'm a bit of a conservative in my "blues" music, so I have to say I didn't care for "Potato pie". I like to listen to it though. I think it sounds great. As far as TCOL, well, I can't ever listen to an entire KC album without skipping at least one track. Certain tracks grate on my ears(in both pleasant and unpleasant ways). As a matter of fact...I think this is what is confusing about the new EP--NONE OF THE TRACKS grate on my ears. It was the smoothest of their cd's for me to get through...the key to the puzzle!!! Good news I think for the full album and what I said earlier in the year--that I'm very excited about the new directions. Dream Theater...laughable--GOOD at what they do, but hysterical--just watch james labrie's little moves he does when he is singing. Theater and rock do not a good concoction make...IMO, of course. Queens of the Stone Age...well, I can't recommend this band, BUT, BUT, BUT--if you love heavy sounding(thick, juicy production) guitars, gobs of bass, and phat drums, check out KYUSS. Particuliarly check out "Sky Valley"(pinkish orange cover) and "And the Circus Left Town". That is the band QOTSA guitarist Josh Homme had previously, and they smolder! This is not prog-rock really, but it is great music regardless. One last band to recommend: NoMeansNo. period. Awesome bass, drums, and guitar. Fans of KC and punk beware. Check out "0 +2 =1", "the Dance of the Headless Bourgeoisie", and "Wrong". Pure genius. Love, Jeramaya "there are worse things than being alone but it often takes decades to realize this and most often when you do it's too late and there's nothing worse than too late." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:39:40 EST From: GORTAY at aol dot com Subject: United States of Whatever The "United States of Whatever" song mentioned by Mr. Tea in ET1052 is by Liam Lynch. He's a producer/artist/musician responsible for the "Sifl'n Olly" show on MTV (whatever that is!) and works with Foo Fighters and Tenacious D. The song is a work of genius because (a) it's only 1 minute and 26 seconds (i.e. 20 minutes and 58 seconds shorter than Side 2 of "Lizard") and (b) it just is. It kinda reminds me of Frank Zappa's 'Valley Girl'. Gordy. xx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 19:13:05 -0600 From: "David Jackson" Subject: The New Album, the Eno connection The first time I heard that the new KC album would be named Metal Nuveau (or however its spelled) I actually didn't like it. It seemed like they were trying a little too hard. So I have this theory that Fripp and co. realised this too, which led to the new title Happy with what you have to be happy with. It seems logical but I might be reading into this too much. Also, I was listening to Another Green World by Eno the other day and I came to two realizations. One was that I dont listen to Eno enough, and the other was that I was starting to hear Fripp on most of the tracks. Now, obviously Fripp plays the guitar solo on St. Elmo's Fire, but its harder to tell on the other tracks where the guitar parts are more toned down. I dont know if this is just because from collaborating they shared some sound tech with eachother (I'm sure a guy like Eno would be intrested in the whole Frippertronics thing) or it actually is RF playing. thanks. I'm happy that everyones happy that theyre happy with what they have to be happy with -David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:54:07 -0800 From: "David C." Subject: Left out drummers, Gabriel and the term Pre Teen is just a pun on my former innocence Sorry. I got numerous emails reflecting on my over looked drum heroes. Apologies to all. Tony Williams who happens to be one of my fave jazz drummers (how on earth could I pass him up?) Jack Dejohnette Danny Carey of TOOL. Ok now who can tell me did Gabriel actually pen the words: Why do we suffer each race to believe that no race has been grander, and all the rest of those clever lines in Time Table from Foxtrot? Peter and Robert should consider officially releasing the Roxy 4/9/77show. Soaking up......... in my pre teens. Well I could have called it The Wonder Bread Years but the fact is I am enjoying myself now more than ever. Why don't they teach all this great musical homework in class instead of being subject to some mindless bicker banter of Eminem? As for who played at Hyde Park it was not Grand Funk but rather Family, Roy Harper etc. However this concert in the park carried on for years. The link below should answer your question. The Stones did not stand a chance, even if they were in the fine form they were in on the 1974 tour. http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/ebony/546/stones-in-the-park.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:14:15 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: A Straight Answer >From: "PT" >Subject: can anyone give me a straight answer ? > >does Ladies Of The Road contain any previously "unreleased" material >or is it 100% taken from various (previous) collectors club releases, etc ? The description of the disc's contents posted on the DGM website and sent out in the most recent newsletter says that the material on the disc would range from the band's "play-in" at the Zoom Club to the final 'Earthbound' tour. Since this band's Zoom Club date in 1971 is *not* the one available through the Collector's Club (that's the 1972 play-in by the 'Larks' lineup), this leads me to believe that there is indeed at least something on 'Ladies' that is previously unreleased. Hey, even if it's just one tune, I don't care - I have eagerly picked up everything available from this most maligned lineup (as well as a considerable amount that's not available, so to speak), and I ordered 'Ladies' today. The track list looked pretty good, though I agree with the previous poster who felt that this band was being shortchanged with a single disc-plus-bonus remix release where others got multiple discs. Personally, I would have appreciated an authorized live documentation of "Islands" (so gorgeous, so underrated, so much more deserving than the cringe-worthy "The Letters") or the "Lady of the Dancing Water" / "Cadence and Cascade" medley from the early '71 shows, with Mel's baritone sax subbing for both the flute and trombone in the former, his sweet flute taking over in the latter. It also would have been worthwhile to have a few more examples of this band's bluesy "blows," even if they're not as varied and intricate as the improvisations of the previous or subsequent bands. But there's still one genuine rarity in "Get Thy Bearings," and the "Schizoid" apotheosis makes purchase compulsory in my view, anyway. Here's the track list, from the DGM website: CD One: Volume One: Ladies Of The Road 1. Pictures of a City 2. The Letters 3. Formentera Lady (abridged) 4. The Sailors Tale 5. Cirkus 6. Groon 7. Get Thy Bearings 8. 21st Century Schizoid Man 9. In the Court of the Crimson King CD Two: Volume Two: Schizoid Men 1-11. Steve Smith ssmith36 at sprynet dot com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:43:56 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Tanigawa Subject: Re: Grand Funk Railroad >Am I imagining it, or did King Crimson support Grand Funk Railroad in >Hyde Park (or some other London park) around 1969? > >I saw them both there, but can't remember if it was one or two concerts >- and I didn't do drugs, by the way! Maybe you saw Mick Jagger and thought he was Mark Farner? Or you may have been in Palm Beach, FL but mistook it for London (in November!)?? All kidding aside, I believe the two bands played in Hyde Park almost exactly 2 years apart. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:54:40 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Tanigawa Subject: Re: A reflection on Lizard and Andy McCulloch I liked Andy McCulloch's playing on Lizard too, even though it is one of my least favorite KC albums. He did an excellent job, particularly on "Cirkus" and the "Lizard" suite. As other ETers have noted, the only drum Andy seems to own is a snare, but I prefer Andy's style to that of some present-day bands such as Dream Theater (I saw them in 1997, wearing earplugs the whole time). Andy's next major gig was Greenslade, which was an offshoot of Colosseum (the latter's "Beware the Ides of March" sounds embarrassingly like "Whiter Shade of Pale"). Now compared to KC, Greenslade is fairly lightweight and nonthreatening. I also believe that Greenslade's music is highly derivative, but I like them because they use the mellotron quite a bit on the first two albums. I've also gotten to appreciate Dave Lawson's voice and Tony Reeves is a fine bass player. Greenslade seems eminently suited for Andy's relaxed style. I wonder if he was ever under consideration for the drum job in ELP? I've no reason to believe he was, but Sid Smith's book states that he and Ian Wallace were renting rooms in Emerson's house. Andy has only one actual solo on the Greenslade albums, "Drum Folk" which was co-written with Dave Greenslade and is possibly Andy's only composing credit ever. He actually uses gongs on a few occasions and Greenslade's live cd shows an impressive double bass kit. I guess it was hard trying to be yourself while having to compete with Carl Palmer, because he pretty much retires from music after this (see another ETer's post on meeting Andy at a company which manufactured flight cases). Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:20:51 +1100 From: Stephen Higgins Subject: I'm Working Backwards Through Crimson I just finished my KC collection by buying Lizard and ITCOTCK. I discovered KC in the 80's and then promptly lost them again after TOAPP. Then i rediscovered them (or they me) in the 90's and they haven't looked back since...but i have. I was so sure i would be appalled by each earlier crimson cd that i bought but each one became my new favourite. Could I put up with the band without Adrian Belew? Well yes I could. Could I put up with those 70's lyrics? Again yes....(with the occasional exception.) I could even handle the 69 lyrics. Mainly because the music is so wonderful. I have to admit that I did listen to Red when it was released. I was heavily into guitar music, and I still am, and I thought I better check this Fripp guy out. I remember listening to Starless on Red and thinking...'oh this is going to brew into a killer of a solo....ok....you've set it up, now lets let rip...c'mon there are more than those couple of notes on that guitar.....etc. It is now one of my favourite solos. I felt the same way about the solo in the Sailors Tale on ITWOP. I had read that it was a killer solo, but it didn't do much for me. It is growing on me however. Anyway...I'm now loving Lizard. I only bought this because I'm a bit of a completist but there are parts of it that took me by surprise. I love the mellotron on this album. All of the playing is good. I guess, after reading a lot of negative comment on this list I was convinced it was going to to be all very hippy and twee or something. Certainly I expected it to sound a lot more dated than it does. Its good. Different...Which is what i like about Crim. Oh and I also took notice of a comment on this list regarding Tool and how good they are...I bought one of their albums at the same time I bought ITWOP. For me, Poseidon is the far fresher, innovative and interesting album. Its just my opinion but I was pretty disappointed with Tool's album which stuck me as just another re run of Black Sabbath in parts. Maybe its just me and i will learn to love it. I'm not attempting to heap scorn on Tool...just not what I thought it would be. Looking forward to Happy..and I also wish 21stCSB would tour Australia or release their cd here. It's hard enough to get a lot of stuff here without bands just selling stuff at concerts. Oh and apologies to the Goons for the subject title. I suppose a few will recognise it. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:43:41 +0100 From: "Eddy de Causmaecker" Subject: Re: Live Concert Video Heavy ConstruKction If You play the Live Concert Video that is on disc two of Heavy ConstruKction, at the end a windows media player screen appears, right cliKc and safe as (wherever you want it) than You'll be able to play the video without having to access the internet, there is also no need to type the password anymore. The first time however You do need to connect to the internet and fill in the password "ROME" Regards Eddy Flycatcher flycatcher at zeelandnet dot nl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:51:59 +0100 From: "Eddy de Causmaecker" Subject: Re: Bill Bruford Mr. Eden wrote: "Bruford is a great drummer, but he is a rhythm machine. I feel that he lacks a certain amount of subtlety and the ability to go off the rhythm" words can't express my feelings when I read this..............I'm hoping there is another drummer with the same name, because the Bill Bruford I know is anything but the above statement!! Very dissapointed and sad Eddy Flycatcher flycatcher at zeelandnet dot nl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:46:02 -0000 From: "Jon Scase" Subject: Hyde Park for sale Does anyone out there want a copy of Collectors' Club 12 and hasn't yet got it? I managed to order 2 copies of instead of the one that I need (the pleasures of online order forms!) - therefore have one to sell on - still in the cellophane wrapper. I'll sell at cost to me - which will be fractionally less than ordering direct from DGM in that their shipping costs will be shared. UK only (otherwise costs won't work out!) Please e-mail privately. Jon Scase ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:34:29 -0500 From: "Steven Paul Rewa B.S." Subject: schizoid band and Mick Abrahms Alexander Hass made a good comparison in 1050 when relating the Schizoid Band and King Crimson to Mick Abrahms and Jethro Tull. Mick does indeed play his tull songs in concert as well he should, they're great songs. But he doesn't tour as Jethro Tull. They're the Mick Abrahms band. Similarly, the Schizoid Band doesn't tour as as KC. What's funny is that Mick's band often gets billed as Jethro Tull by "mistake" by the people that run the venues they play in. I put mistake in scare quotes because the venue generates a lot more ticket revenue that way and it has happened that when confronted with the mistake, the people who run the venues refuse to correct the mistake saying that since he was part of the original band he has as much right to the name as Ian Anderson. I suppose that argument might hold water if Mick intended to tour by that name, but since he doesn't it's pretty obviously just the venue trying to avoid refunding ticket prices. It wouldn't surprise me to see similar mixups with 21CSB and KC. anon, -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:38:58 -0500 From: "Labbauf, Les" Subject: Heavy Construkction Video In ET 1052 Tony Asked: >> Help! How do I access this video? The password link appears to be >> dead. Is this something that might now unofficially circulate in VCD >> format? >> Tony Iremonger >> Melbourne, Australia Maybe this can be added to the FAQ. To access the video on the Heavy Construkction disc. Assuming you are using Windows ME/2000. Insert the CD in PC-CDRom Drive Open Windows Explorer (Not IE) Click On Tools Click On View Click on Show Hidden Files Click OK. You should then be able to search the disc for media files, *.wma or *.w*. The file should appear, and you will be able to open it in Windows Media player without a password. Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:50:31 -0800 (PST) From: Edgar Kausel Subject: Ladies of Road--Zoom Club '71: at least the sound will be from the soundboard... ..it seems. In the Frame by Frame booklet Richard Williams (MM journalist) says, back in '71: "They played eight sets at Frankfurt's Zoom Club, all of which were taped, purely for reference". ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1054 *********************************