Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1049 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1049 Tuesday, 22 October 2002 Today's Topics: EPITAPH...Confess! "bude" Re: just a controversial commentary Re: Schizoid Band...Again! Sorry Schizoid band and Genesis Elektrik Wot? No Tool and Crimson tour Re: I'd never go to see any band playing 'Foxtrot' lyrics Happy Haiku in Bude?? imbued?? Hello! recycled bands (so to speak) KC's Impact FA: 2 Fripp CD's Re: Schizoid Band...Again! Sorry A commercial gimmick; Bruford; Gong Happy Title/grammatics bootleg tv HeeBeeGeeBees - Boring Song ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:07:41 +0000 From: "Anna Rose" Subject: EPITAPH...Confess! Own up! Who bought MY copy of EPITAPH sometime in the last week?? It had my name all over it! I saw it in HMV a couple of weeks back but, having just bought THE LAMB LIES DOWN ON BROADWAY on CD I couldnt afford it. During the following week I: walked everywhere to save bus fair ran errands so I could keep the change saved scrimped begged borrowed stole (primarily the latter) and then I returned to buy it, rolling in cash, only to find it was gone! I dont know who out of you lot so much as lives in the same country as me, but if you bought EPITAPH in the last couple of weeks I bet it was you, you evil balding hippie. I really, really wanted that. As it was I had to buy CONSTRUkCTION OF LIGHT, which I must say is a rather fantastic consolation prize. Isnt it great that Crimso havent gone crap yet ... :-D Having said that I do not own the new EP, it was extortionately priced so I think I'll wait for the album. I'm glad it appears, from the general reaction, to be good. A rubbish Crim album is a radical concept. Previously Fripp has always known when to disband KC, I hope he doesnt lose the knack in his old age. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 10:46:41 +0200 (MEST) From: rikki dot nadir at gmx dot net Subject: "bude" let's also not forget that douglas adams (in "the meaning of liff") defines "bude" as "a polite joke reserved for use in the presence of vicars". (i understand that the vicar is occasionally associated with his royal frippness). on another note, i'd like to add that the new cd by porcupine tree is indeed quite impressive. i happened to see them live in athens on september 5 & was particularly impressed with the sound of steven wilson's guitar. the fact that the band has moved away from the earlier floydoid sounds ("sky moves sideways"-era) is, in my view, rather commendable and whatever mr. wilson might have said in interviews, his record(s) shows that he has long been following his musical visions with scant regard for what was then (or is now) en vogue, musically/commercially. i would also like to "rescue" one track from the archives of oblivion that features both mr. fripp & mr. wilson (and mr. mel collins, too): "angel got caught in the beauty trap" from no-man's "flowermouth" cd. a sublime song that can hardly be played often enough, imho. -- rikki nadir "smash the system with the song!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 07:55:26 -0400 From: "Neil Wicker" Subject: Re: just a controversial commentary xavery made a recent reference to the new Porcupine Tree CD "In Absentia" regarding its commercial leanings. I would agree completely with the assessment. I bought it at a local record store for $11 recently and the first two listens didn't impress me (except for 'wedding nails'). It is not as dark and depressing as Steven Wilson would have you believe and subsequent listenings have brought me around to thinking it is a pretty good CD. I was particularly impressed with some of the vocal arrangements(Trains and Lips of Ashes stand out). It is not as cool as "The Sky Moves Sideways" or even "Up the Downstair", but a good listen once you get into it. There is a full webcast of their 2001 NEARFest concert at this link (along with CGT/TLEV) http://www.studiomlive.com/nearfest2001/ Cheers Neil ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 08:20:15 -0400 From: Gary Davis Subject: Re: Schizoid Band...Again! Sorry At 07:22 AM 10/20/02 GMT, Anna Rose wrote: >Sorry about coming back to this as it should without doubt be left alone by >now, but really all that the Schizoid Band is for, is to be a commercial >gimmick. Crimson are still exploring new horizons. The old music was done a >long time ago. For people like me who weren't born then, or who hadn't >gotten into KC yet in the 1970s... that's our bad luck. We missed it. We >should move on, go to see the modern KC and appreciate it. It's like that >Re-Genesis thing. Perhaps not quite as bad, because the Schizoid Band is >old Crim members. My point is that I'd be the first to say I wish that I >could hear the old KC / Genesis music played live, but I'd never go to see >any band playing 'Foxtrot' if they didn't have Peter Gabriel in them, and >I'd never go see any band play 'Larks' Tongues' if they were Fripp-less. It's interesting how this subject has evolved in ET. Some people have made conjectures or expressed an opinion and others have responded to it as though it were fact. Take for instance the claims that Schizoid Band IS Crimson. I don't think the person who first said that was even stating an opinion, but just saying it as a way to expresss how great he felt after having seen the band deliver what he considered a stunning performance. To him it was just the best compliment he could give the band. But as the thread continued some peole were responding to the whole thing as though the band themselves had stated, "We are the true Crimson, not Fripp," which never happened. And then there's the "Oh, they're just a tribute band paying tribute to themselves" thread. But it should be noted here that members of the Schizoid Band have stated their intention to create new music. Such being the case the current touring by the band serves to fulfill a number of very valid purposes toward that end. Most importantly it gives the members a very concentrated period of time to work together, to experience each other's playing in a live setting and to become a tight performing ensemble. It also gives them a concentrated period of time to create ideas and bounce them off each other towards the creation of new work. I think Fripp himself throughout Crimson's history has claimed that a good deal of Crimson's music was created while on the road. Creating a band entails considerable time, effort and money. Doing the tour allows them that time and effort while defraying the considerable expense. And in doing this tour they are preparing the fan base and setting them up for what's to come next. They're telling the fans, "Hey, we're here and this is our starting point, but we plan to move on from that starting point. Are you interested?" Given all the glowing reviews I've seen so far I'd say there's considerable interest! And if they're looking for label involvement for a recording, then audience response to this tour can give them greater leverage at the bargaining table! So for those people who are concerned that they're just a tribute band paying tribute to themselves, I would just encourage you to go to the show and enjoy yourself. When the band comes out afterwards to sign autographs, ask them very loudly, "When's the new album coming out?" Let them know that's what you want. Your support will help them create new music. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Artist Shop Radio Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:10:43 -0400 From: "Bob Bennett" Subject: Schizoid band and Genesis Two Things: 1. I looked for Schizoid band in cdnow.com and it wasn't there. Does anyone know where a person can find this cd?; 2. There was a comment about Schizoid Band being in it just for the money (i.e. commercial) and that we should all just listen to new Crimson and move on. This post further commented on cover bands like the "Re-Genesis thing". I don't know what the motives of the Giles brothers or Ian may be, but if they want to form a group and play old Crimson tunes and tunes from their LP, that's fine by me. I would love to hear anything new that they write and hope that they do just that (I wonder if the new material will work - unlike recent Yes, which in my opinion is really bad - and I love old Yes). Now, on the Genesis thing - I saw several times the Genesis cover band Musical Box. Not only do they cover the music, but they cover every and I mean every aspect of the live shows from 1972, 1973 and 1974-75. The shows are amazing and done brilliantly. So brilliantly, that on the recent Tour of the UK, Steve Hackett played an encore with the band and Peter Gabriel attended the show with his new wife and one of his older daughters (she like the rest of us to young to attend the first time around, wanted to see what the experience was like). This may sound odd - but the Musical Box is not Beatle Mania or anything close to "camp" or silly. On the re-creation of the Lamb Lies Down show, Genesis actually authorized the use of all the original slides that were used in their Tour. It was really something to see and experience even though Peter was actually performing. The power is in the music and the live visual events that was old Genesis. It is really to bad that some people seem to miss that point and will criticize just for the point of criticism. For all those of my age that were unable to attend these wonderful shows in the early 70's - If you ever get a chance to see the Musical Box, I would suggest you go - you will enjoy it. If Schizoid band ever plays the States, I will attend. Bob Bennett ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:41:34 -0400 From: "Les B. Labbauf" Subject: Elektrik Anyone else notice that the back of the new Crimson EP states that the title track, Happy With ..., is a tone probe edit from the forthcoming album EleKtriK. Is this album different than "The Power To Believe", or just a misprint on the EP Artwork? Les ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 10:44:06 -0700 From: "David C." Subject: Wot? No Tool and Crimson tour Did someone heed all the commentary regarding how unreceptive and disruptful Tool fans are when Crimson embraced the stage on the 2001 tour? What a relief. King was not destined to warm up for anybody; not even their contemporaries let alone their disciples. I have a ticket to the Terry Bozzio and Pat Mastelotto show in Austin 01/18/03 and may not be able to attend. However if anybody has a ticket to the Tool Long Beach show and would like to trade tix drop me an email. I only wish Gabriel was playing the Long Beach Arena. The Staples Center is awful. King used to play at the Santa Monica Civic and the Shrine. The Wiltern is a good place for them as they never were an arena band. I was thinking how great it would be to hear all 4 parts of Larks Tongue performed live. Someone run that thought by Bill for a last ditch attempt to congregate the Double Trio. And now for something on the local scale. To all musicians in the southern California basin who read these posts, I am a drummer seeking prog like minded individuals to collectively gather our wits and unleash the polyrhythmic beast. Drop me an email and let us create music. The objective is to paint pictures as a result of our inspirations and influences, not to clone our idols. Too many cover tribute clone bands are spoiling the pot around here. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:52:24 +0000 From: "Spear man" Subject: Re: I'd never go to see any band playing 'Foxtrot' >My point is that I'd be the first to say I wish that I could hear the old KC / Genesis music played live, but I'd never go to see any band playing 'Foxtrot' if they didn't have Peter Gabriel in them, and I'd never go see any band play 'Larks' Tongues' if they were Fripp-less.< hmm, right--you'd not deliberately go to see them do this, but if a band broke out the classics would you walk out? Last night I had the fortune of seeing the band Palace of Love. I had no idea what the set list would be (but figured with a lineup that included Henry Kaiser, Chris Cutler, and Michael Manring, along with Damon Smith, Luka Ligeti, Mike Keneally and Chris Muir) it had to be eclectic and it was. They opened with Palace of Love Theme, played a couple of improvs, covered Sun Ra (exotic forest), Miles Davis, and the highlight for me they played Interstellar Overdrive>The Other One>Interstellar Overdrive. My point being that Miles, Sun Ra and Jerry Garcia are all dead, as is largely Pink Floyd--but the music can still be held in awe and performed with reverence. And last night certainly was far from the least bit Hokey. --spearman np Live Phish 13--The Beatles (White Album) 10/31/94 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:57:52 -0500 From: "Jonathon Smith" Subject: lyrics >I actually liked the lyrics to the coda of LTIA IV (and miss them whenever >I hear the song) but I seem to be in the minority on that one. It appears >that lyrics always seem to come real easy to those who don't have to >actually write any. (Yes, I AM a songwriter, BTW) Amen. On both accounts. I LOVE the coda. It's some of the most beautiful music and lyrics I've ever heard. Jonathon "Many people wanting the elixir of youth Through defeats and through disasters Stifling the only thing that changes it all Love is what I'm going after" --Terry Taylor, from "As the World Turns" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 10:33:11 +0100 From: "Hewitt, Simon" Subject: Happy Haiku In ET1047, 'Rone' wrote: First off, I'm not sure that they're haikus. They aren't. I've checked at http://www.dublinwriters.org/haiku/Haiku.html (via the British Haiku Society website) for their definition, and they state that in English, a haiku usually consists of seventeen syllables (although there can be fewer, since Japanese is a phonetic language), generally arranged in three lines, divided into 5-7-5. (This rule can also be broken.) Haiku are usually inspired by some aspect of nature. The challenge is for the writer to experience something sensual in an intense way (a "haiku moment") and to communicate the feeling that this evokes in a small number of words. Mere observations or thoughts are not enough, the poem must be able to present the reader with the emotion evoked by the moment of epiphany. None of the little poems have the strict syllable count required for haiku, and nor do they explore the 'haiku moment'. They are very like the 'haiku' published by Michael Stipe, in being not very like haiku. The usual 'classic haiku' offered as an example is this one by Basho (1644-1694): The old pond: a frog jumps in,- the sound of water. You will note that in English this haiku does not fit the strict syllable count. Now, let's look at the 'haiku' on 'Happy'. 'Bude': Japanese for "martial way". in one small pane of my window imbued the ocean fits Firstly may I suggest that the third line here is 'In Bude, the ocean fits'. Bude being in Cornwall. According to a martial-arts website, Bushido is 'the way of the warrior'. Secondly, this is the most haiku-like of these little poems, in that it is about nature. But what feeling is it intended to evoke? I would stress that I do like the image, but I'm not sure what is being expressed. In fact this looks like a faked haiku, in that it is simply a re-arrangement of the statement 'In Bude, the ocean fits in one small pane of my window', which is a bit prosaic. 'She Shudders' like a leaf when I touch her she shudders when I touch her when I touch her This is definitely not a haiku. It is possibly a senryu (which I cannot exactly recall the rules for), since it is related to a person. The simile 'like a leaf' is not haiku however. 'I Ran' I ran to a man with whom I had nothing in common I ran to a man with whom I had no conversation This is not a haiku either. It does stand alone, however. 'Clouds' for a moment it seemed like the clouds stopped moving Again, this is not a haiku. Like 'Bude' it seems to be on the verge of becoming something that is almost a haiku, but 'it seemed like' is very weak as a linking line, and again no feeling is captured here. There is almost something, though, but this piece does not stand alone - there is a phrase or statement missing from this poem. What happened to make it seem that the clouds stopped moving? I don't want to come across as too dismissive. I usually like Adrian's lyrics, and as lyrics these are fine. Just not haiku. Sorry if I've gone on a bit, Simon Hewitt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:14:28 +0200 From: Roderich von Detten Subject: in Bude?? imbued?? good evening hippies, hi rone, and now to something completely different: "in Bude" or "imbued", that's the question... for me, i like it to be "Bude" - a lovely place in Cornwall, England: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?grid2map?X=221500&Y=106500&arrow=Y&zoom=5 imagine our most beloved guitarist, spending his holidays in the lovely south-west of England.and then, on one day, recognizing that the ocean fits, in one small pane, of his hotel-window.It happened in Bude. When shall we all meet there? Next bank-holidays, I would like to suggest. sincerely yours, roderich >"Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:28:56 -0700 (PDT) >From: rone at ennui dot org (definitely what) >Subject: REVIEW: HWWYHTBHW [...] >- 'Bude': Japanese for "martial way". "Haiku". >in one small pane >of my window >imbued the ocean fits >I am not certain if 'Bude' is some sort of pun with 'imbued' (im-bude? geddit? ah, never mind)." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:21:49 +0200 From: "honoriusz" Subject: Hello! Does anybody know something about KC's plan to visit Poland next year? Or, at least T.Levin, P. Mastellotto A.Belew alone (collaborating with non-KC musicians). Stay K, honoriusz honoriusz at poczta dot onet dot pl honoriusz at gazeta dot pl gg: 1869294 mobile: 504 142 147 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:22:52 -0400 From: Lesajima at aol dot com Subject: recycled bands (so to speak) In a message dated 10/20/2002 2:22:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, et at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk writes: > My point is that I'd be the first to say I wish that I > could hear the old KC / Genesis music played live, but I'd never go to see > any band playing 'Foxtrot' if they didn't have Peter Gabriel in them, and > I'd never go see any band play 'Larks' Tongues' if they > were Fripp-less. I would agree with you except for one thing. A number of years ago a girlfriend talked me into going down to Houston to see the Phil Collins led Genesis (proof that I'm a nice guy). When they came out for the encore they did a straight set of Gabriel era Genisis with selections from Nursury Crimes through the Lamb. Now I saw Genesis on the Selling England by the Pound Tour and the Collins led band was still pretty damn good playing the old material.It was funny though. My girlfriend had no clue as to the music. How the heck did Phil Collins ever become a sex symbol? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:06:10 +0100 From: "Mike Dennis" Subject: KC's Impact Hi I'm not sure how this fits in or really puts across what I am trying to say - but have a look anyway! In some of the recent posts there has been discussion of the impact of ICOTCK and Hyde Park with the release of CC12. At some point someone speculated that a critic of ICOTCK must be under 45. Being in the category of over 45 I have given this some thought and realise that those not 'there' in 1969 probably cannot realise what an impact that first KC album really did make. In previous post I gave a brief recollection of how I first encountered that album, but the impact of the actual music is somewhat harder to explain. Most music (and here I am talking specifically about the UK) you hear on radio or TV is safely mainstream, and the pop single of manufactured music dominates. Those who want music that develops, progresses had to look elsewhere. The likes of KC could be found but only on late night radio programmes or by taking a chance of buying albums of artists you had never heard of. In 1969 I was a sixteen year old at school in a small provincial town with two independent record shops and two chain stores, and, more importantly, very little money so relying on birthday and Christmas presents to acquire more records. Fortunately I had a friend in the same position who, as he was a musician, seem to know one or two people with remote connections with the music world, he was the one who bought ICOTCK and played it to me. Here was an album of music that you could instantly tell was different, it was not manufactured to order to ensure a top twenty hit. The musicians were clearly playing themselves, by turn it was loud and harsh and gentle and melodic. The lyrics appeared to have meaning, yet bordered on the nonsensical. The opening track (Schizoid Man) introduced with that electronic swirling that gave no hint whatsoever of what was to follow. I think most of us had turned the volume up to hear the opening and then got blasted by this amazing noise! Even the cover itself had impact. Before then most LP covers had either a well airbrushed picture of the performer, a 'nice' photograph that related to the content or something artistic that related to the content. ICOTCK had this extreme image and no name or title. For those of you born much later think about the bands and performers that you like that have come along in recent years - can you imagine that you will be still listening to them and discussing their work in 30 odd years time? If you can, then you should be able to see why those of us around in 1969 feel about all things KC in the way that we do. Mike Dennis PS KC without RF is not KC! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:12:38 -0400 From: "brad cook" Subject: FA: 2 Fripp CD's How-d. Just wanted to alert you to two Fripp CD's that I'm auctioning on Ebay. The two CD's are the Fripp solo CD Exposure and the Robert Fripp and The League of Crafty Guitarists CD Show of Hands. The only reason I'm selling is to pay the rent because I find myself jobless at this time. If you're interested then see my auctions at this site: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/digme/ Thanks, brad cook ps - there are other interesting CD's too that aren't crim-related Get 250 full-color business cards FREE right now! http://businesscards.lycos.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:08:26 -0700 From: "Jonathan" Subject: Re: Schizoid Band...Again! Sorry "Anna Rose" writes: > > My point is that I'd be the first to say I wish that I > could hear the old KC / Genesis music played live, but I'd never > go to see any band playing 'Foxtrot' if they didn't have Peter > Gabriel in them, and I'd never go see any band play 'Larks' Tongues' > if they were Fripp-less. What a sad thought! I'm hoping that crim music will be played many years after Fripp and the rest of us are long gone. Here, I'm thinking in terms of Claypool's live performance of Pink Floyd's Animals (released on CD as Live Frogs Set 2), or Phish's performance of the Beatles' White Ablum (Live Phish Vol 13). In both cases, the performers inject a lot of their own vision and musicianship into the proceedings (with, IMO, more success in Claypool's case - Live Frogs Set 2 rocks - but the Phish performances have their moments also). If an artist I respected decided to perform the LPs LTIA or Foxtrot in their entirety, I'd certainly be interested if not outright enthusiastic. Regards, Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:36:12 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: A commercial gimmick; Bruford; Gong >Sorry about coming back to this as it should without doubt be left alone by now, but really all that the Schizoid Band is for, is to be a commercial gimmick. I disagree with this Anna. They are already playing new songs from Ian McDonald's newest record; plus, if they begin to write new songs, they can remain vital while still providing a service the current Crimson does not wish to provide (eg, a live version of 21st CSM). They have not had a chance yet to be anything - let's wait until they are fully formed before we offer this sort of criticism. > if bruford's rock gigs--e.g. KC or even YES--paid nearly as well as what he gets now for his jazz gigs, he'd return to rock in a Heartbeat. I disagree Spearman, if it was only about money he'd be in one of those bands right now. I imagine that, as a jazz drummer, he earns a small fraction of what he might earn as the drummer of YES. >np: Gong--YOU An excellent choice sir! - S. np: Jethro Tull, Thick as a Brick scottst at ohsu dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:47:59 +1000 From: orlando_jk at optusnet dot com dot au Subject: Happy Title/grammatics In response to David M.J>Bartolf in ET 30 >firing troll #1... >...i can't believe i'm the first person to post to ET the anal retentive >complaint that the new kc release, Happy With What You Have To Be Happy >With, should be corrected, for grammar's sake, to Happy With What You Have >With Which To Be Happy. I interpret it as what you HAVE TO be happy with ("have to" as in "forced") Maybe "you have to be happy with that which you are forced to be happy with? In this respect the title of the EP makes more sense (grammatically). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:32:40 +0100 From: "Richard Adams" Subject: bootleg tv Hi, I was wondering the other day what ever became of the shows filmed and recorded by Bootleg TV during the summer of 2000? Apart from 'Heavy ConstruKction' the material must be gathering dust somewhere... Surely the KCCC stuff could use these tapes? It wasn't just Crimson shows either. Peter Murphy had quite a few gigs filmed and recorded too - I'd love to see / hear those too. Then I remembered that the opening shows at Nashville that year were available for download weren't they? But I can't seem to find them anywhere. The Bootleg TV site is defunct, the related Concert Archive site is dead too. Does anyone know of an site / archive from where I might be able to download one or more of these gigs? Cheers, Richard. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 10:47:50 -0700 From: "Paul Dowling" Subject: HeeBeeGeeBees - Boring Song As well as Matching Mole, the "meta-lyrics" of Happy... reminded me of a pop parody group in the early 80s called the HeeBeeGeeBees (starring one Angus Deayton...). They spoofed Status Quo with a tune called Boring Song that has the same lyrical idea - it's pretty funny, and frighteningly realistic... You can listen to it on the home site of one of the group members: http://www.mikefs.co.uk/HBGB.html It includes a RealAudio version of Boring Song amongst other parodies (Bee Gees, the Eagles, the Police, Michael Jackson, ...). It's worth a visit for some fun - go on, listen to something low-brow for a change. Paul np: HeeBeeGeeBees "Boring Song"! ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1049 *********************************