Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1036 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1036 Wednesday, 25 September 2002 Today's Topics: Least favorite songs; Earthbound and USA Ow To Say It Proper TCoL | Afraid of Nuovo Metal? | Least-Liked Track Re: thoughts on Doctor Diamond ET Newsletter Communism Re: Fripp-Gunn-Rieflin album Don Caballero (math rock) Tull-Bashing lyrics Nuovo Metal Re: Fripp-Gunn-Rieflin album Re: Songs You Hate! complaining about ice cream (or USA) Red Nightmare about this band....... 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ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:01:27 -0700 From: "Alec Sugar" Subject: Least favorite songs; Earthbound and USA My least favorite crim songs (in chronological order): 1. The Court of the Crimson King - I like the initial verses and everything, but doesn't the chorus seem to just repeat itself a bit too much? 2. The Letters - Oof, the last Sinfield straw on my back. 3. Prelude: Song of the Gulls - Dynamics, please? 4. THRAK - Noise, followed by bad improv... not my idea of a good time. 5. ProzaKc Blues - This is the point Belew really gets annoying. I thought he was pretty good in the 80s. On THRAK his Beatles imitations are tolerable, but here he's downright obnoxious. PLEASE NOTE - I never skip tracks when listening to a KC album. Earthbound: I actually like this album. The music and even the sound quality give the whole thing an organic or "earthy" feel. 1. 21st Century Schizoid Man - Good soloing from Fripp and Collins. Boz doesn't have a bloody clue as to how to deliver the vocals, IMO. 2. Peoria - The more successful of the two improvs. Starts off with a good riff and holds together well. Collins' solos are good as usual, and Boz's scatting is amusing albeit a bit pathetic. 3. The Sailor's Tale - If you've heard the versions available on the CC release of this band, especially on #18, then this track doesn't really cut it. It's pretty much just the solo, which doesn't happen to be particularly exciting. 4. Earthbound - Another improv. Pretty much rehashing the style of Peoria. The jam is fun, but Fripp's solo doesn't jell with the overall style of the song. 5. Groon - A bit disappointing. The band can't seem to hold the jazzy intro section together like on CC #18. Wallace does a fairly nice solo, but the VSC3 is not well received. USA Wow! This sounds like a collection of the most intense versions available of each track. 1. Walk on. No Pussyfooting - The nice soothing lines of frippertronics are heard as the audience cheers, and then. 2. Larks' Tongues in Aspic, Part II - Bam! This version is the most aggressive and intense I've heard. Call it heresy, but I've always found the version on LTiA to be rather sterile, but not this. It doesn't even need The Talking Drum (much as I love that tune) to set the tone. 3. Lament - Perhaps the only mediocre moment on the album. Lament, in my opinion, is pretty much just a rock song. This version is good, but not particularly different from that heard on SaBB. 4. Exiles - My favorite part about this version is the extended jam on the opening "Mantra" section. The whole song has more of a driving feel to it than the studio version. 5. Asbury Park - Starting off with a clean 4/4 drum beat, you'd never guess what follows. But as soon as Fripp and Wetton join in (Cross can be heard in the background doing something on mellotron) the piece takes off. It's like Trio in that the musicians clearly know where they're going, but this track showcases the band's aggressive side rather than their gentle one. Ties with Trio as my favorite improv. 6. Easy Money - Once you get past the first verse/chorus section, a lovely jam breaks out. It starts quietly, builds up, and mysteriously fades away. What a disappointment! I'd love to hear Fripp finish his soloing and the band burst into the climax of the piece, but oh well. 7. 21st Century Schizoid - Comes in behind the Night Watch version as my second favorite. A powerful middle section, and the band does a great job of mixing things up to vary from the album middle section, but not as much as they do on TNW. Like it or not, Wetton's vocals are treated. Personally, I like them that way. It makes them sound almost like Greg Lake, and unlike with Boz, they're not excessively noticeable. 8. Fracture Easily superior to the version on SaBB. The performance is tight, well-executed, and full of climax. 9. Starless Comes close behind the Red version as my favorite. I like the early theme played on violin better than on guitar. The middle section is very intense, and unlike on Red Bruford does some great drumming to keep the listener jolted. On this version I could very much see Crimson's influence on heavy metal bands, especially with Wetton's roaring bass. All in all, definitely worth having for Crimheads and I'd wager it's a good way to turn others on to this great band. Why on earth Fripp has delayed releasing USA on CD until now eludes me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:59:10 +0100 From: "Dougie" Subject: Ow To Say It Proper Hi all, > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:47:09 -0700 > From: "Scott Steele" > I would defer to Mike Dickson here but since McLaughlin is Scottish I > would expect that his name is pronounced McGlocklin. Being Scottish, I'd like to offer the correct pronunciation of the above surname. It's not "McGlocklin" as Scott expected. I'm not actually sure how best to try and phonetically write how it should be said. It's not a "hard" ck sound as in lock. It's more of a soft, cat like hiss. If you press the back of you tongue against your palette and close your throat, so that no air can be pushed out, then, relax your tongue slightly so that it comes away from the back of the palette, letting air out slightly over and along the length of your tongue, it resembles the hiss of a cat. That's the sound your after. Chhhhhhhhhhhhhh. So you get McGlauchhhhhhhhlin. And Lochhhhhhhhhhh Ness, not Lock Ness. I'm not criticising anybody here, just trying to help you all get it right, as it does annoy me to hear people talk of "The Lock Ness" monster and the like. Regards Dougie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 03:23:34 +0200 (CEST) From: nsh at slicedsuitcase dot com Subject: TCoL | Afraid of Nuovo Metal? | Least-Liked Track Hello! As a short introductory note: some of the recent correspondence on ET was rather rough in terms of respect toward other posters etc. Please, let's be nice to each other and respect each other's opinions. :) Now... "TCoL": This is my first KC album, after my U.S. History teacher lent me "The Great Deceiver" in 11th grade. I couldn't do much with the band, except that I loved "Easy Money" and "Starless", but on the next summer's Wales trip my English teacher and his wife put together, I just had to try out some KC of my own -- for 19 Pounds... Anyway, I didn't like the album too much initially (which doesn't mean I disliked it), and I didn't become a big big Crimson fan until the beginning of my Freshman year in college (so, last fall). But since then the album grew on me and helped me out as a kind of power-up music, just like "VROOOM VROOOM", in depressive and other times. The album itself is by far not my favorite, but I do appreciate Adrian's whacked lyrics (and also "I Have a Dream") and the more aggressive sound of the whole band. And unfortunately I wasn't as much of a fan on November 15, 2001, when I saw on ticketmaster.com that they'd play live in Chicago nine days from them; I didn't by a ticket and am now butt-kicking myself regularly for missing such opportunity. "Nuovo Metal" and "Happy": I am always open for new sights and sounds. The new cover looks very crisp and a little brighter compared to "TCoL", as does the title. If the band should disappoint me, I would only know it after listening to the EP and/or the ensuing album, but I would definitely stay away from speculating: it almost never helps but rather most likely hurts. I, for one, already have "Happy" pre-ordered and can't wait. "Least-Liked Track": That's what the thread should have been christened some time ago when it started... I don't hate any tracks, but there are certainly tracks I don't care about (and when I sum them up, it's scary that there are more than I expected...). There are, for example, the tracks on "THRAK" that were carried over from "VROOOM": the re-recorded tracks sound, to me, very sterile and played without too much enthusiasm; the "VROOOM" versions sound fresh, new, and with lots of enthusiasm about the band's reunion and the new material and opportunities they were trying out. I don't care very much about "ItWoP" except for "Pictures" and the title track; "The Devil's Triangle" is good but annoys me after a few minutes with its repetitive pattern, so I can't listen to it very often; however, it has the most beautiful conclusion with Robert's small guitar solo emerging out of the chaos. Well, that's it for now. Just remember, as Scott wrote in 1034 or 35 (?), it is always better to bring a point across in a positive tone than a negative one. Nadim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:46:37 -0400 From: "Jim Loman" Subject: Re: thoughts on Doctor Diamond >Ps - anyone have thoughts on the track "Doctor Diamond" off of the Great >Deceiver box set? Terrific song. I saw KC at the May 73 show in Waterbury, CT, and if I remember the set list correctly it was the 2nd piece, right after LTIA Part 1. It was great to finally hear it a 2nd time on the Great Deceiver set, some 20+ years later. Somewhere there must be a studio recording of it, recorded around the same time as LTIA or SABB- has anybody ever seen any references to that? Maybe the 40th Anniversary Edition of Lark's Tongues will have that version of Doctor Diamonds! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:55:13 -0400 From: "Ryan Tassone" Subject: ET Newsletter Communism I usually refrain from commenting on this newsletter and its contributors per se, but the way a few people responded to Vincent DeBoule's expressing his opinions and concern for Nuovo Metal was just inappropriate. And I began to notice, this happens a lot. There seem to be people who are so devoted to upholding the KC/Fripp code of ethics (never expect anything, immediately "move on" when even slightly dissatisfied, etc.) whenever somebody ripples the surface with a negative comment. I, for one, agree somewhat with Vincent's dissatisfaction with TCoL, as well as his worries about Nuovo Metal. YES, I as a common human being have the mental ability to imagine a possible future for a given situation. This is called "expectation." There's nothing wrong with it, as long as it doesn't replace the experience of the present entirely, a crime which Vincent's purely practical remarks hardly commit. YES, I may harbor some discontent with King Crimson's current direction. Does this mean I am completely devoid of any interest in what might happen for the band? Of course not! So why should I, or Vincent, or anybody else who, as a human being, makes a perfectly natural and valid observation, be ushered to "move on" at the first sign of dissent? It's like you people are trying to breed a race of KC super-fans who never have anything bad (or thoughtful, for that matter) to say. So why are you quoting? Can't you think for yourself? Don't say, "Expectation is a prison. Move on. Abandon the past. Don't take pictures." What do YOU think? It's so easy to endlessly repeat these aphorisms like some mantra. James Bailey, ET#1034: "The subject for this should more appropriately be: ET subjects you hate. For me, those are the "Songs you love/hate" type. While the "love" type usually elicit more reasoned and articulate responses, the "hate" variety rarely rise above mindless slagging..." Is that so true? That is, do people who talk about something they love really elicit "reasoned and articulate responses?" Think about it. First of all, fanaticism is alive and well on this newsletter, although perhaps it hides behind a wall of intellectualism. But it's obviously here. Secondly, praise and adulation for King Crimson is usually inspired by a particular emotional experience, i.e. "I first heard 'Starless' when John Lennon died," that sort of thing. People are less logical when they talk about something that gives them a rush, a thrill, than they are when they talk about something they dislike. Is this not so? If I dislike something, do I have any reason to sugar-coat it anymore? When I reject something, there's no barrier of false reverence or fanaticism between me and the thing I hate, so I have nothing to say but my honest opinion. So, all things considered, I think that the slightly daring posts, which point out flaws here and there, are much more "reasoned and articulate" than the ones that go with the herd and shower everything with compliments. If you really love it, that's fine, but I'm more convinced by an honest, barefaced admission of dislike than the repetition of everybody else's satisfaction. Ryan P.S. To The Necron Stratomailer: The Repercussions of Angelic Behavior is, to my ears, a mixture between the rawness (and acoustic drumming) of P1 and the sparse instrumentation of P2. It has some great moments, but my copy doesn't have any track listings--just a message with instructions "put CD player in random mode for full effect." Reiflin is a fine drummer, a bit Brufordiaan, only he uses no cymbals on the entire album (except for hi-hat). Trey Gunn actually likes that album better than a lot of ProjeKct stuff. I think it was recorded on analog tape, which I gather is a rather dead thread around here, so I'll shut up. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:43:26 -0600 From: "Nick Bennett" Subject: Re: Fripp-Gunn-Rieflin album These three actually made two albums together: "Birth of a Giant", and "The Repercussions of Angelic Behavior". The former is more song-oriented, and bears some resemblance to Sylvian/Fripp, but is much heavier (which makes sense, given the fact that Bill Rieflin is a drummer who has also played with Ministry, KFMDM, NiN, etc.). "Repercussions" is made up of the improvs which were recorded while the trio was also recording "Birth of a Giant"; as such, it is a more challenging listening experience (IMO), which suffers somewhat (again, IMO) from the lack of the locked-in, rehearsed intensity of the rhythm section (Rieflin & Gunn) which drives much of "Giant". Nonetheless, both are highly recommended. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:41:50 -0400 From: "Justin Weinberg" Subject: Don Caballero (math rock) The band Don Caballero has been mentioned a few times in the recent math rock thread. For those unfamiliar with the group, here is some information. Don't ask, "which one's Don?" The leader is drummer Damon Che. He is a powerful octopus of a drummer who loves odd time signatures and meter changes. On their most recent release (_American Don_) he is joined by Ian Williams on guitars and Eric Emm on basses. The music is powerful, instrumental rock, in the math rock genre because of its use of odd meters and "abstract" and rhythmic music form. The guitarist is quite talented, and this CD contains some explicit nods to Fripp, including a brief non-frippertronic imitation of some of Fripp's old-style looping (on "Ones all over the Place"). I think many KC fans would enjoy this music. I would start with _American Don_. When King Crimson was coming around (either on the Level 5 or TCOL tour) the DC CityPaper had a blurb, something like, "King Crimson plays the best music Don Caballero never wrote." To me that's sort of like explaining stairs by saying "oh, they're like Stairmaster." Justin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:18:16 -0400 From: Dan Cooper Subject: Tull-Bashing In 1035, "Dave" wrote: Well... Jethro Tull never won a "heavy metal" Grammy. They won the "Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance Vocal or Instrumental" Grammy Award. The first and last time this category was in the Grammy's. I know Metallica crying on stage after losing was hard for some people, but now I'm waiting for you to tell us that Jethro Tull are not "hard rock". Dave, Dave, Dave...Good semantic argument you make, but it's beside the point. It was ludicrous for Tull to beat Metallica for a hard rock Grammy, and I like them! And I bet if Ian Anderson were candid, he would admit the same. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:02:34 -0500 From: "David F. Snyder" Subject: lyrics > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:45:05 -0300 (ART) > From: Ronald Miklos Vogel > Subject: Nuovo Metal ? > > ... ... > > But with one thing I shall agree, lyrics are weak. Maybe less songs with > lyrics would make the instrumental music be more appreciated. > ... >Ronald Vogel At least Mr. Belew's lyrics are far more insightful than such drivel. If Mr. Vogel could write a post to ET that had half the linguistic talent that Mr. Belew exhibits, he wouldn't be spewing such crap ... ... in my humble opinion, of course, ... David Snyder ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:04:26 -0500 From: "Jonathon Smith" Subject: Nuovo Metal >But with one thing I shall agree, lyrics are weak. Maybe less songs with >lyrics would make the instrumental music be more appreciated. Yes!! It seems like the songs with actual singing (except for "I Have a Dream," which isn't cheesy in the least) just go on far too long. "Into the Frying Pan" is cool until Belew's way-to-lengthy guitar noodling at the end. I love Crimson's concise pop songs. That said, I'm still looking forward to Nuovo Metal, however it may turn out. Fortunately, the band is supposed to be doing preproduction, and maybe a lot of glitches will be caught before they hit the studio. Since I got into the band after TCoL, this will be the first Crimson record I've actually had the opportunity to anticipate. >Opinions, opinions, opinions.... that is why ET is great. Amen. Jonathon "Many people wanting the elixir of youth Through defeats and through disasters Stifling the only thing that changes it all Love is what I'm going after" --Terry Taylor, from "As the World Turns" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:17:23 -0500 From: "Jim MacGregor" Subject: Re: Fripp-Gunn-Rieflin album "Hello! I was reading this drum magazine (don't remember the name) with this interview to a drummer called Bill Rieflin; at the time (1999/2000 maybe)he had just released an album together with Trey Gunn and obFripp called "The Repercusions of Angelical Behavior", supposedly an album made completely out of improvised music. Has anyone heard about this (probably did *shucks*)? If so, what can you tell me about it? Is it any good?" It is quite good. You could actually consider it the missing "Projeckt." Read more about Bill Rieflin here: http://www.firstworldmusic.com/ which is the Web home of First World Music. From what I infer, BR is a partner in this independent label, and it and he operate in some degree of relationship to the Seattle guitar circle. The Repercussions of Angelic Behavior was recorded during the sessions for BR's solo album "Birth of a Giant." For years BR manned the drums behind Ministry (and other satellite groups of that ilk), and has been constantly active, most recently behind the bass for KMFDM. If you look in the Artist section of FWD and click BR's page, you'll get to a diary link that follows the same protocol of the late lamented RF diary. Any other info you can get from the sight, save this: This record is one of my favorite instrumental records. It has life - it bounces all over the place. It's just excellent improv over loosely-drawn themes, with no ulterior or ultimate motives. This is just three guys surrounded and permeated by the joy of music channeling. Just go buy it. Do it through the website, and Support Your Globalocal Independent Music Businesses. --- PS - Why do they even bother showcasing the corpses which used to be the Diaries section at DGM anymore? What used to be a daily highlight now is a shadow of a ghost. Thx, EC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:13:52 -0700 (PDT) From: James Cello Subject: Re: Songs You Hate! Best wishes to Eddie Flycatcher (cool name). I agree man, I have never heard a bad KC song, EVER! and I will never hear a bad KC song, because they are the greatest band that ever lived! I've only seen them once and it was last year when they toured with John Paul Jones. I am still speachless from the experiance. Ever since then I have been hooked on KC and try to get as much of their albums and solo projects as I can. It's quite funny really, All the kids at school are so oblivious to "real" music. I bet my uncle, after the king concert, that I could turn anybody at school into a king crimson fan, regardless what kinda rap or pop crap they listen to. And I did, and it's great. Now my best buddy who once was a rap loving fool, listens to nothing but KC and frank zappa. Thank you King Crimson, for giving me a reason to live. P.S. Does anyone else agree with me that seeing Jack Bruce (cream) jam with King would be the greatest thing that could happen to mankind since Christ walked the Earth! Just a suggestion. -Peace ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:30:43 -0500 From: Albert Oller Subject: complaining about ice cream (or USA) Hi, I'm asking why anyone would buy USA, and then want USA to be something other than what USA is known to be? As I understand the history, some members of King Crimson didn't really think that USA or Earthbound were high quality items that were worth the trouble to re-issue. A number of people wrote to ET and DGM asking for the release of these. Now these are re-released, and there are complaints about them. That seems ridiculous to me. Why is longer, or more, better? Even if I did want the whole concert performance that these albums are taken from, I regard those concerts as completely different from the albums USA and Earthbound. If you want the entire concert, ask for the entire concert. USA is USA. I really don't know if I would be happier (certainly not HAPPIER) with a complete version of 'Easy Money' (maybe the band fell apart during the song), but that isn't my point. I bought USA and I got USA. Believe it or not I don't want the extra songs on USA. I'm happy that I have USA, because it is USA. I didn't present an argument in my earlier post, but I think the extra songs on the USA cd support the point I was trying to express. You got more on the cd than the lp, and you are still asking for more. At what point do these additions and proposed additions to the cd change it from USA into something different? In short, my position is: We all got what we paid for, and what was offered to us, so why is there complaining? And to Steven, who liked my analogy even though he disagreed with me: Thank you, it was my first public analogy. And I understand your point, but think that it isn't the same one that is expressed by Jordan. Not that any of this is very important, and with best regards to all, ago ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:41:37 -0700 From: Brian Mafi Subject: Red Nightmare Hello, I've been toying with an idea, and it just won't go away; keeps getting reinforced more every time I listen to Wetton/Cross/Broof era Crim..which is pretty dang regularly. I wanna start a band playing 73-74 era Crim music only. LTIA,SABB,Red. Well, I'm willing to do the ones that THAT band did...21CSM, Cat Food, maybe even ITCOTCK. Maybe even a coupla others. Not into ANY Boz era stuff, sorry. Try & sell me, though ;) People keep beggin Mr. Fripp & Co. to play that stuff(aint gonna happen, IMHO),Robert even stated that he would condone such an undertaking (something to the effect of "showing up to heckle,shout out song titles, throw fruit and veggies, and otherwise distract and support"...my paraphrase of Robert's comment.) Well, I play bass (pretty damn well, thank you;), believe I can convincingly sing Mr. Wetton's parts. I live in the San Diego, CA. area, currently gigging in a blues band, have played all manner of rock,pop,metal,funk. Any takers for guitar/keys, drums, and violin/keys ready to accept the challenge, that live in SoCal? I realize to find a guitar player that also plays keys, and a violin player that also plays keys may be a stretch, so it could be a matter of separate players (maybe a keys only player, plus violin & guitar? talk to me). I'm game to recreate some of the cooler improvs; Asbury Park, S&BB, hell, take the the Mincer and expand on it. Run it into Talking Drum. I'm VERY partial to Voyage To The Center Of The Cosmos...killer bass solo at the end! I seriously wanna talk about doing this; anyone reading your local music guides will know that the "tribute band" is mushrooming, some into a modicum of success. This would certainly be a labor of love; I'd imagine it would involve a fair amount of rehearsal (dependant on the ability/commitment/geography/time of the players involved),and would probably not generate loads of $. Between San Diego and the LA area, I'd imagine there's a fair amount of people that would be curious to witness such an event. We certainly do have some "e-avenues" for spreading the word to the online Crimlovers.... So, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Guitar players, keys, violins, drums, waddya think? Hell, if we sound good, mebbe Crim would let us open for 'em, and shut up the fans asking THEM to play that stuff! Of course, if it sounds like ass, it ain't gonna see the light of day, and we'd just be musically the wiser for dissecting this brilliant music :) Peace, Love, Bobby Sherman, Brian Mafi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:01:30 -0500 From: "Brandon S." Subject: about this band....... I was recommended that I check out a band called Magellan......any of you listen to them? I was told that King Crimson fans would like the group. I looked up a bit and found that Tony Levin was on their newest album (geez, whose album is he NOT on?)......so, would any of you have any commentary on the group? It's a slightly KC related post, and therefore I don't think that it will cause too much of a hassle......well, on to the next post, perhaps it's about how much everyone STILL hates 'the construkction of light' or how 'ladies of the dancing water' almost caused someone to poke out their ear drums! ;-) BS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:55:28 -0400 From: "P Burnside" Subject: KC and Nature Imagery I'm sure we all have fond memories of hearing various KC tracks for the first time. My younger brother, also a Crimhead, just purchased Vrooom Vrooom, and shared the following with me, shared with his permission. By the way, he lives in Scottsdale, AZ, which will help with the imagery. "I have been listening to Vrooom Vrooom and enjoying that, as well. Great version of Schizoid man but Belew's voice on that makes me appreciate Greg Lake (although Belew does fabulously on his own work). The first time I played Schizoid man I was driving home around sunset while the Valley was being buffeted by dramatic desert monsoon storms from three directions. It happened that where I was driving (on an elevated freeway) was between the storms so I had nothing but wind but I had a 360 degree panoramic view of the action. Lightning was flashing frenetically across dark billowing clouds among glimmers of purple and red sunlight. It is really hard to describe what these storms look like out here when you have a good vantage. KC's jam was perfect accompaniment!" Possible idea for a thread: What specific KC track brings to mind a special memory of the first time you heard i? I remember being on an especially good bender the first time I heard "Bolero" from Lizard, but we won't go there at this time! Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 00:14:41 +0000 From: "CALEB BRADLEY" Subject: zoom club hey all. i was wonderin if anyone would be interested in doing some trades for the zoom club with jamie muir discs. i've got LOTS of kc shows and TONS of tool shows. if anyone is interested, please git back to me!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:39:13 -0400 From: "Michael S. O'Connor" Subject: 21CSB/Earthbound I haven't looked closely at the website but can anyone tell me what if any comments Fripp and Lake have made regarding the new 21st Century Schizoid Band? BTW, if there is anyone in England who is going to a show and would be willing to get me a copy of one of rehearsal discs drop me a line!! Also, I have seen a lot of posts regarding the USA disc remastering and complaining about the whole concert not being included....has anyone started complaints about Earthbound not even having additional tracks? mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:03:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Mei Chapman Subject: 21st Century Schizoid Man ET' ers I thought you might be interested to hear I saw a gig last week at Ronnie Scotts Club, London by the Theo Travis Quartet. Theo Travis plays sax and flute with Gong, and I believe has played with Bill Bruford.. The band did an amazing version of 21st Century Schizoid Man, which was quite a surprise. They're on tour in the UK over the next few weeks and you might want to check them out. Dates are on their website www.theotravis.com Mei Chapman ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1036 *********************************