Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #1000 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1000 Thursday, 1 August 2002 Today's Topics: NEWS: Happy ET #1000, everyone Congratulations Toby on 1000 ET digests! Millenial Congratulations Happy Millenium Re: IN THE COURT Congrats on #1000, and some odds & ends Happy 1000!!! 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ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:46:33 EDT From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Subject: NEWS: Happy ET #1000, everyone Hello everyone. First please accept my apologies for the delay in getting ET out recently. I've suffered a muscle injury in my hand and it has been very hard to use the PC (no rude comments about one-handed typing etc, please!). But now we're back in action. And it's ET #1000. ET #1 began like this: > Discipline, Number 1 > > Monday, 19 August 1991 > > 1 Topic Today: > > Future projects Well, we certainly have had some "future projects" since that Monday in 1991! :-) I feel privileged to be the ET Moderator, and to work with such a great team (Dan Kirkdorffer and Mike Dickson in particular, both true "Hero" material -- heartfelt thanks to you, gentlemen, for all the fun and the laughs and the hard hard work). And privileged to read every word that ET posters post. OK, privileged MOST of the time :-) Yes, this is a "moderated" newsletter, which means: yes, I censor. If I may be immodest for a nanosecond, if there were no censorship, no "moderation", ET would be a really big mess. I think ET now has a certain (probably undefinable) quality, and I like that quality. I think that most of you ETers like it too. ET will remain moderated, as long as I remain the Moderator, so please don't even THINK about complaining about this. :-) I will continue do my best for everyone to maintain the quality we seem to have achieved in these 1000 issues. Please forgive me when I make the inevitable bozo-style mistake. But it's all thanks to you, really. And now for some kind words from you guys. Cheers Toby ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:46:33 EDT From: DanKirkd at aol dot com Subject: Congratulations Toby on 1000 ET digests! Hard to believe this beast has been going so long, but here we are 1000 digests old, and Toby is still reading and moderating them. Who woulda thunk it. Will we survive another 1000? Who knows, but its been a great ride so far. Thanks Toby, Mike, and everyone else who has contributed in some way to making this a cool newsletter. Cheers to you all! Dan ET Web ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:53:46 +0000 From: "Brian Thomson" Subject: Millenial Congratulations Congratulations to all concerned with Elephant Talk - Toby, Dan, and all the contributors. If the Elephant Talk Digest is not what it used to be, the same can be said of the Internet. I don't think it's unfair to say the King Crimson is a band that appeals to the technically-motivated among us, and so it's probably no coincidence that the earliest Internet music communities were founded by fans of King Crimson, Grateful Dead, Rush, Dream Theater, Marillion, and so on. Now that the costs of getting on to the Internet, financial and technical, have dropped so far, it is inevitable that the quality of debate will decline too. I don't think ET has been the same since it almost caused Adrian Belew to leave King Crimson a few years ago, when there was a debate over whether he should be in the band. Never mind that the "lusers" were drowned out by all the positive reasons why Adrian should be in King Crimson, it still prompted a crisis of confidence and the ProzaKc Blues. "Son, you been reading too much Elephant Talk!" You may remember that Robert Fripp also posted a few essays, and was rewarded with a landslide of mail to his private Compuserve address. I'm not old enough to feel real nostalgia for the old days, when it was possible to carry on a reasoned debate on musical topics by email and digest. You might as well wish for someone to walk in front of your car with a red flag, as it was a century ago, instead of the daily rat race down the LA freeways. The Rush Digest, the "National Midnight Star", closed down a few years ago, and I would not blame Toby if he wanted his life back after a decade of email madness. Toby has exhibited symptoms of Elephant's Foot occasionally, having to stomp on discussions that careered out of control. (I hope it's clearing up nicely.) Still, as long as we have King Crimson in our ears, we need Elephant Talk in our mailboxes. The Elephant is, after all, one of the longest-lived mammals in the world. All the best, Brian Thomson stereoroid.com -- http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:14:03 +0100 From: Mr Tea Subject: Happy Millenium I'm probably not the only person to say it, but congratulations on reaching issue 1000 of the ET newsletter. I'm hoping it will be a special shrinkwrapped edition with a CD full of unreleased Crim taped to the cover... Felicitations to all Mr Tea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:43:47 +0100 (BST) From: Kevin Marriott Subject: Re: IN THE COURT >Hi ET, >I have IN THE COURT on CD and the track breaks are >messed; MOONCHILD >has two >minutes in EPITAPH. Is it like this on all copies or >is mine defective? >(Thought I'd ask, seeing the question of the ISLANDS >CD.) > Also is anyone else who gets this a teenager? I'd >like to know if >there >is another person my age who listens to prog. Or are >you all 30s+? > Thanks -Anna. > I started reading/lurking whe I was 19 (24 now). I think around 20 seems to be a good age to start getting into KC. -- Kev (who just wanted to get a post on ET #1000, and will look a bit silly if it gets posted on #1001 - or though maybe 1001 is the 'real' ET millenium :-)) Happy Birthday ET, and thanks Toby for your continued dedication to making this an excellent list. Album reviews: www.deepthought3.supanet.co.uk/music ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:54:08 EDT From: JohnWylam at aol dot com Subject: Congrats on #1000, and some odds & ends Hi, Everybody -- Some folks might well say it's only a number, but it seems to me that the one thousandth edition of ET is pretty bloody significant; Toby and company evidently put up with quite a lot to produce this newsletter, and folks, it's appreciated. ET's an ongoing reminder to all of us that we're indeed members of a community of afiscionados who love KC and, moreover, appreciate musicianship. At this moment in music history, the values that KC's aesthetic philosophy represents seem to be quite thoroughly out of vogue, and maybe that's a benefit, though it also necessitates a forum for those who agree with that philosophy. So again, Toby and all, Many Thanks. Prof. Boulter's surmises about the reading habits of Fripp, et al, is interesting. For Fripp in particular, the influence of reading is apparent in the music. It makes me wonder how Belew's lyric writing would be affected by investigations in other poetic genres. By connection, those of you who are working writers know quite well how writing while music plays can affect your work. This past spring, one of my undergraduate students and I did a workshop that attempted to look at this influence; we spent about thirty minutes toward the end of the session playing a CD my student burned, using brief excerpts from various pieces of music. One of them was the opening of *ThrakAttack,* and the class uniformly found it some of the most frightening music they'd ever heard -- their reactive writing, however, was revealing: one writer wrote a series of industrial images, while another examined fears that reminded me of Barry Godber's famous (to us, anyway, and fateful) painting. In future editions of this workshop I'm going to continue playing KC for them to gauge their responses. It ought to be interesting. Congrats again on #1000, and here's to thousands more. Toby, I hope that thought doesn't produce a migraine. Cheers -- John Wylam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:35:40 +200 From: tomektal at poczta dot onet dot pl Subject: Happy 1000!!! Best wishes for administrators and all the contributors. It was (and is) always inspiring to read your posts. Big THANK YOU. Tomek ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 12:50:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Edgar Kausel Subject: Happy ET 1000 Just wanted to say thanks to all of you who made possible this wonderful newsletter, especially Toby. I arrived at ET 496 (4 years ago); since then, I haven't missed a single one. It's a very special thing in my life (as well as KC) and always make the time to read it. I think it even kind of saved my life once, when I traveled to Brazil and run out of money and my friend Ronald (which I met through ET) let me sleep at his home. Anyway, thanks and keep the great work. ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1000 *********************************